[Warrior] Balanced Stance

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Posted by: Deimos Tel Arin.7391

Deimos Tel Arin.7391

balance stance is useful, but is weak when compared against other stances such as berserker stance and endure pain.

from here: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Balanced_Stance
the original:


Balanced Stance
“You enter into a balanced stance.”
Stability: 8 s
Swiftness: 8 s
Breaks stun

Notes: Stability and Swiftness durations are increased with Sure-Footed.
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^ sure it may break stun (control effects) but the stability can be easily removed. it would a stun breaker with 40 seconds recharge time if the stability is removed.

and now this is my proposed one:


Balanced Stance
You enter into a balanced stance. Prevent next control effect. Gain Stability and Swiftness if a control effect is prevented.
Duration: 8 s
Stability: 8 s
Swiftness: 8 s
Breaks stun

Notes:
1. Breaks stun on activation.
2. Prevents one control effect then gives Stability and Swiftness.
3. Sure-Footed increases duration from 8 seconds to 10 seconds.
4. Sure-Footed does not increase Stability and Swiftness duration.
5. Stability and Swiftness will not activate if control effect is not prevented.
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^ with this, besides being a stun breaker, Balanced Stance will guarantee to prevent one control effect before activating stability and swiftness for 8 seconds, both which can be easily removed.

however, if no control effect is applied during the 8 or 10 seconds, stability and swiftness will not be granted. that, is the counter play.

comments?

(edited by Deimos Tel Arin.7391)

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Posted by: Lifestealer.4910

Lifestealer.4910

why does this skill needs to changing again?

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Posted by: NevirSayDie.6235

NevirSayDie.6235

Changing skills just because it feels like they “should” be different is usually not a good idea. Warrior in general is very strong and stances specifically are some of their strongest utility skills.

Buffing one of the strongest utilities of one of the strongest professions is a bad idea, no matter how logical it seems.

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Posted by: Deimos Tel Arin.7391

Deimos Tel Arin.7391

why does this skill needs to changing again?

because in its current form, the 8 seconds of stability and swiftness could be easily stolen, stripped, etc. and besides, it is not a true stance.

Changing skills just because it feels like they “should” be different is usually not a good idea. Warrior in general is very strong and stances specifically are some of their strongest utility skills.

Buffing one of the strongest utilities of one of the strongest professions is a bad idea, no matter how logical it seems.

warrior is strong, no doubt, but at the moment, there are much stronger professions when played right. warrior is just easier to play.

oh come on, now, seriously, how is this a buff?
this is a balance request, to make balance stance actually balanced, and not in a pitiful state it is now.

how is this “one of the strongest utilities” as the stability and swiftness can be so easily removed?

also, please get your facts right, warrior is not the strongest profession in the game, the title currently belongs to necromancers and engineers, the true kings and queens of condition damage.

do you have any idea how fast a warrior without berserker stance melts against well executed condition bursts? against skilled necromancers and engineers, the 8 seconds is not enough.

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Posted by: Wise One.9321

Wise One.9321

There is no logic to it. Many classes have utilities that grant immunity, they can’t be stripped. In the same utility line many classes also have utilities that grant stability they can be stripped. Stances, cantrips, elixirs, doesn’t matter that is the general rule.

Doctor Ventur
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Posted by: NevirSayDie.6235

NevirSayDie.6235

oh come on, now, seriously, how is this a buff?

It’s a buff because it makes the skill better.

This doesn’t need to become a discussion about which profession is “the” best. I merely said that warrior is strong and stances are strong. Therefore, it wouldn’t be a great idea to buff a stance.

Imagine someone saying “Yeah, necros are pretty good right now, but come on—staff auto really needs to apply bleeding. It would fit with the rest of the staff skills.” You’d say, “nope, staff is already in a good place right now.” Because it is.

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Posted by: Exedore.6320

Exedore.6320

If you do that, then make stances mutually exclusive like in GW1. If you activate a new stance, it cancels the current one.

Kirrena Rosenkreutz

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Posted by: Deimos Tel Arin.7391

Deimos Tel Arin.7391

i have made some adjustments.

it should be much more balanced now.

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Posted by: Clownmug.8357

Clownmug.8357

Sounds like Last Stand but you have to push a button for it to work.

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Posted by: Deimos Tel Arin.7391

Deimos Tel Arin.7391

Sounds like Last Stand but you have to push a button for it to work.

hmmm yeah i just realized this.
i guess this is due to i never equipped the last stand trait before.

well, last stand is always ready until trigger.
this proposed new balance stance is only ready for 8 seconds for it to be triggered by unfriendly control effects.

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Posted by: SifuShinobi.1673

SifuShinobi.1673

I like the idea to rework this “stance”, and make it a real Stance but in the way you want it, its too powerful!

This is why its too powerful:

a) you get 2 garanteed stunbreaks on demand

b) 1 stunbreak and a garantee your opponents wont stun you anymore so you wont get boons, like a hidden stability

c) 1 stunbreak and a garantee your opponents have to waste a stun on you to get rid of your hidden stability

d) if you get stunned at the end of the duration, stun is prevented and you get 8-10 secs stability which increases the possible duration of prevented cc on you up to 20 sec

Making it an unstrippable real stance with right counterplay on basis of awareness is the right way!
Like you mentionend:

warrior is strong, no doubt, but at the moment, there are much stronger professions when played right. warrior is just easier to play.

Lift the skill ceiling of Warrior gameplay!

My Propsoal:

Balanced Stance
You enter into a balanced stance. Prevent next control effect. Gain Stability and Swiftness for the rest of its Duration if a control effect is prevented.
Duration: 8 s
Stability: 8 s
Swiftness: 8 s

You have to pop before cc occurs, this 8-10 sec hidden stability cant be removed until opponents wasted cc

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Posted by: Juba.8406

Juba.8406

how about get rid of the Swiftness and just reduce the cooldown.

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Posted by: Kontrolle.3514

Kontrolle.3514

Lol @ this thread, really….

Its a stunbreak on 40 sek cooldown with 8!! seconds of stability + swiftness.
If my engi would have such a skill i wouldnt have to play warrior right now.
This skill is one of the reasons why warriors are so op atm.

And then the op cries about condi engis and necros? lol. Only warriors have a skill that make them imune to conditions for 8!! seconds. This negates the damage output of this classes and it negates alot of thier defense aka soft-cc, blinds, weakness.

so stop this discussion and be thankful for every patch that does not nerf balanced stance, berserkers stance and last stand, really.