Guild Wars 2

infantrydivEU.9670:

For the rewards

Seriously, pretty soon this game will have more weapons/armor originating from the gem store than from the actual game.

Oh well, the woes of a F2P game I suppose.

Are people OK with this? I’d actually almost prefer at this rate to not have new stuff added if it’s only gem store based.

What happened to doing a cool quest line or killing a difficult boss to get a weapon skin in games?

You get that from the good ole sub-based games. Anet has to keep paying the rent, so the Gem Store is what we get.

Because getting weapons/armor with gold is a bad thing? Go play any content you want, anything you will make gold, exchange for gems and get the weapon/armor you want. No longer do you need to fight that fish 200 times with the hope of it dropping Super Fin of death. Now just fight anything collect gold, buy Super Fin of death.

infantrydivEU.9670:

What happened to doing a cool quest line or killing a difficult boss to get a weapon skin in games?

Cool go buy Teq weapons.

Zypher.7609:

infantrydivEU.9670:

What happened to doing a cool quest line or killing a difficult boss to get a weapon skin in games?

Cool go buy Teq weapons.

Yeah, reskins of crafting weapons <3

Zypher.7609:

infantrydivEU.9670:

What happened to doing a cool quest line or killing a difficult boss to get a weapon skin in games?

Cool go buy Teq weapons.

That’s a lot to choose from, hahaha.

I’m pretty baffled at how they’re handling rewards, these days. Ugh.

Corpus Christi.2057:

Zypher.7609:

infantrydivEU.9670:

What happened to doing a cool quest line or killing a difficult boss to get a weapon skin in games?

Cool go buy Teq weapons.

That’s a lot to choose from, hahaha.

Alright ill bite since I have to work for another two hours before playing, here are a few more.

Dungeon armor/weapons.. (there are a few of these)
Triple wurm skins
PvP skins since you can not buy the skins.

infantrydivEU.9670:

Zypher.7609:

infantrydivEU.9670:

What happened to doing a cool quest line or killing a difficult boss to get a weapon skin in games?

Cool go buy Teq weapons.

Yeah, reskins of crafting weapons <3

Ahh ok, so you are a “if it doesn’t fit what I am looking for than it doesn’t exist” type of people. Got it. Also crafting weapons, can you buy them from the gem store?

I don’t think the problem is as much that there aren’t enough skins available from gameplay, but there aren’t enough specific enemies that drop specific skins. I mean, I remember going into Sorrow’s Furnace in the first GW and farming certain bosses for a specific skin and it felt so much more rewarding when you got what you were looking for.

As it stands now, it feels like there’s no real aim for any farming and good item drops are just something that happen randomly with no rhyme or reason.

infantrydivEU.9670:

For the rewards

Seriously, pretty soon this game will have more weapons/armor originating from the gem store than from the actual game.

Oh well, the woes of a F2P game I suppose.

Are people OK with this? I’d actually almost prefer at this rate to not have new stuff added if it’s only gem store based.

What happened to doing a cool quest line or killing a difficult boss to get a weapon skin in games?

It’s actually NOT because of the F2P model at all. Plenty of F2P models that A: don’t require a sub and B: don’t require you buy everything from either the Shoppe or from the TP/AH.

I’ve not been in favor of the TP centric nature of this for a long time now. I’ve also not been in favor of having to actually group for an instance in what was supposed to be a casual soloable environment. Both are ridiculous imo.

Despite what the ignorant keep posting in this matter, these other methods are both profitable and easily keep games updated and funded for years to come. There’s never a need to gouge the customer to be able to stay in business or keep a game running, Heck Arenanet is actually one of the companies that pointed this out at the launch of the game so it’s amazingly ironic these people are actually using the arguments that the subscription supporters were using at the launch of this game as a reason they wouldn’t try it.

Nat, Infantry, and Arch play games for great fun, and (I totally assume) a fulfilling and satisfying experience.

All you other guys are just sitting down at your PC’s and going to work.

My observation and opinion.
Instant gratification is the lamest kind.

Zypher.7609:

Nat.4029:

Zypher.7609:

Because getting weapons/armor with gold is a bad thing? Go play any content you want, anything you will make gold, exchange for gems and get the weapon/armor you want. No longer do you need to fight that fish 200 times with the hope of it dropping Super Fin of death. Now just fight anything collect gold, buy Super Fin of death.

You must’ve liked the Auction House in Diablo 3. Buying stuff just isn’t as fun as actually finding it. Sure you can kill that fish 200 times or even more, but when you finally see that Super Fin of Death drop, man…is it a glorious day! It feels so good. As it does with Diablo 3. Actually getting an awesome legendary drop feels SO much more rewarding than hopping into the AH and buying it.

I played WoW killing a boss in one of the raid dungeons probably a good 100 times trying to get a shield that looked like a wall with spikes. It was going to rock on my dwarf warrior, it dropped one night and went to the paladin. I proceeded to quit for a while.

Droprates are crap in WoW the same reason the reward systems in GW2 are so constricted: To get some moolah. Admittedly you can ‘get away’ with not having to pay for anything in GW2 but you’re likely to have a less satisfying experience.

I suppose if I had to choose the lesser of two evils I might go with GW2’s method. Ideally, I’d like to earn my ‘rewards’ through content, not having to complete content numerous times.

Zypher.7609:

Corpus Christi.2057:

Zypher.7609:

infantrydivEU.9670:

What happened to doing a cool quest line or killing a difficult boss to get a weapon skin in games?

Cool go buy Teq weapons.

That’s a lot to choose from, hahaha.

Alright ill bite since I have to work for another two hours before playing, here are a few more.

Dungeon armor/weapons.. (there are a few of these)
Triple wurm skins
PvP skins since you can not buy the skins.

Are you falling asleep during your work?

The topic is precisely about “new skins”. Dungeon/PvP skins have been there since the beginning. Teq/Wurm skins are the only additions, hence my sarcasm above.

Corpus Christi.2057:

Are you falling asleep during your work?

The topic is precisely about “new skins”. Dungeon/PvP skins have been there since the beginning. Teq/Wurm skins are the only additions, hence my sarcasm above.

Possibly, sorry about the dungeon, for the PvP I was thinking of the new ones added to the reward tracks that were recently added. Also, 1.1 hours left of work. Can’t wait to try out the new LS.

Corpus Christi.2057:

Zypher.7609:

Corpus Christi.2057:

Zypher.7609:

infantrydivEU.9670:

What happened to doing a cool quest line or killing a difficult boss to get a weapon skin in games?

Cool go buy Teq weapons.

That’s a lot to choose from, hahaha.

Alright ill bite since I have to work for another two hours before playing, here are a few more.

Dungeon armor/weapons.. (there are a few of these)
Triple wurm skins
PvP skins since you can not buy the skins.

Are you falling asleep during your work?

The topic is precisely about “new skins”. Dungeon/PvP skins have been there since the beginning. Teq/Wurm skins are the only additions, hence my sarcasm above.

I agree that we haven’t seen much in a while, but you’re missing quite a bit of stuff:

http://dulfy.net/2014/03/18/gw2-mistforged-hero-weapon-skins-gallery/

http://dulfy.net/2013/10/01/gw2-twilight-assault-weapon-skins/

http://dulfy.net/2013/09/03/gw2-ascended-weapon-skins-gallery/

http://dulfy.net/2013/08/06/gw2-champion-weapon-skins/

http://dulfy.net/2013/08/06/gw2-sovereign-weapon-skins-gallery/

http://dulfy.net/2013/07/23/gw2-aetherized-weapon-skins-gallery/

http://dulfy.net/2013/07/08/gw2-zenith-weapon-gallery/

http://dulfy.net/2013/07/08/gw2-radiant-and-hellfire-armor-skin-gallery/

Ascended Armor

and I’m probably missing a lot of stuff.

Should more of the items come from game drops instead of being gem store purchases? Sure, but the game has to stay funded somehow. It would be nice to see the source for these be as specific as a single quest/boss instead of a general area of the game though.

Another “Urgh… ArenaNet want money. How dare they?” post.

You don’t have to whip out your credit or debit card to get gems. You can get gems by converting gold to gems as well.

I don’t see the big deal about new skins one way or the other.

I think reward paths should turn towards ways to modify your character’s skills and build more. Being level 80 is incredibly dull.

My only issue is the use of the word “rewards” – these are gem store items. If you can get them via gameplay, they are rewards.

Zypher.7609:

Corpus Christi.2057:

Zypher.7609:

infantrydivEU.9670:

What happened to doing a cool quest line or killing a difficult boss to get a weapon skin in games?

Cool go buy Teq weapons.

That’s a lot to choose from, hahaha.

Alright ill bite since I have to work for another two hours before playing, here are a few more.

Dungeon armor/weapons.. (there are a few of these)
Triple wurm skins
PvP skins since you can not buy the skins.

Achievement skins (back items, scarlet helm, zephyrite rucksack, etc)
Achievement Points skins (Hellfire/radiant, specially the boots)
Guild missions weapons and back items
Fractal weapon skins

Anyway, here’s my sugestion for Anet… create a vendor that also sells these outfits in exchange for an ascended token, that ascended token is created by combining 7 (4 first, then the result with other 3) exotic tokens in the mystic forge, each token is sold by a vendor on different parts of the world and each one costs 14g (or whatever 100 gems is worth that day). Each time the player purchases one of the exotic tokens, 100 gems are deducted from the gem exchange and whatever the player paid in gold is added..

There, everyone happy now..

Zypher.7609:

Nat.4029:

Zypher.7609:

Because getting weapons/armor with gold is a bad thing? Go play any content you want, anything you will make gold, exchange for gems and get the weapon/armor you want. No longer do you need to fight that fish 200 times with the hope of it dropping Super Fin of death. Now just fight anything collect gold, buy Super Fin of death.

You must’ve liked the Auction House in Diablo 3. Buying stuff just isn’t as fun as actually finding it. Sure you can kill that fish 200 times or even more, but when you finally see that Super Fin of Death drop, man…is it a glorious day! It feels so good. As it does with Diablo 3. Actually getting an awesome legendary drop feels SO much more rewarding than hopping into the AH and buying it.

I played WoW killing a boss in one of the raid dungeons probably a good 100 times trying to get a shield that looked like a wall with spikes. It was going to rock on my dwarf warrior, it dropped one night and went to the paladin. I proceeded to quit for a while.

That just makes you a quitter. Yes, it sucks seeing the drop you want going to someone else, but I always was happy for people in my pugs when they get sweet sweet loot and I never got anything good the entire time I played Guildwars1&2.

Omar Aschi Popp.7496:

Zypher.7609:

Nat.4029:

Zypher.7609:

Because getting weapons/armor with gold is a bad thing? Go play any content you want, anything you will make gold, exchange for gems and get the weapon/armor you want. No longer do you need to fight that fish 200 times with the hope of it dropping Super Fin of death. Now just fight anything collect gold, buy Super Fin of death.

You must’ve liked the Auction House in Diablo 3. Buying stuff just isn’t as fun as actually finding it. Sure you can kill that fish 200 times or even more, but when you finally see that Super Fin of Death drop, man…is it a glorious day! It feels so good. As it does with Diablo 3. Actually getting an awesome legendary drop feels SO much more rewarding than hopping into the AH and buying it.

I played WoW killing a boss in one of the raid dungeons probably a good 100 times trying to get a shield that looked like a wall with spikes. It was going to rock on my dwarf warrior, it dropped one night and went to the paladin. I proceeded to quit for a while.

That just makes you a quitter. Yes, it sucks seeing the drop you want going to someone else, but I always was happy for people in my pugs when they get sweet sweet loot and I never got anything good the entire time I played Guildwars1&2.

I believe the post you’re responding to was talking about how purples in WoW were soulbound and it dropped when he was on his paladin, not raging because it went to a paladin in the group. But maybe I’m wrong.

Zypher.7609:

infantrydivEU.9670:

Zypher.7609:

infantrydivEU.9670:

What happened to doing a cool quest line or killing a difficult boss to get a weapon skin in games?

Cool go buy Teq weapons.

Yeah, reskins of crafting weapons <3

Ahh ok, so you are a “if it doesn’t fit what I am looking for than it doesn’t exist” type of people. Got it. Also crafting weapons, can you buy them from the gem store?

I think you are one of those “making something out to be what it isn’t” type of person.

Oooh, look, I can make up labels too.

Nat.4029:

infantrydivEU.9670:

For the rewards

Seriously, pretty soon this game will have more weapons/armor originating from the gem store than from the actual game.

Oh well, the woes of a F2P game I suppose.

Are people OK with this? I’d actually almost prefer at this rate to not have new stuff added if it’s only gem store based.

What happened to doing a cool quest line or killing a difficult boss to get a weapon skin in games?

You get that from the good ole sub-based games. Anet has to keep paying the rent, so the Gem Store is what we get.

Agreed, but it would be nice if they threw every 4 new set in game wink wink ANet

I don’t know what fantasy world people live in. Do people seriously expect Anet to keep the game going for free?

O lordy….

Here’s a hug for all of you, cos you’re such bujas*.

*word used for cats when being needy and cute.

Well I rather buy cool stuff from the gemstore than having to do some Ascended/legendary grind for it (booooriiiinggg).

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Either that our do a bunch of hardcore content that unlocks a merchant who sells them for in-game gold

Oh hey, that already exists!

Just that merchant is ANet.

Gold to gem conversion is still a thing.

Dahkeus.8243:

I don’t think the problem is as much that there aren’t enough skins available from gameplay, but there aren’t enough specific enemies that drop specific skins. I mean, I remember going into Sorrow’s Furnace in the first GW and farming certain bosses for a specific skin and it felt so much more rewarding when you got what you were looking for.

As it stands now, it feels like there’s no real aim for any farming and good item drops are just something that happen randomly with no rhyme or reason.

This isn’t true, as the gw2 equivalent of Uniques are associated with enemies. However there is a great deal of randomness and a god-awful paucity of information on what exotics drop from what.

Here’s some examples:

1. Say you want a Flame weapon. Where do you hunt for it? It’s a Charr cultural weapon, so you find them in Ascalon. What drops it? Just about anything if you’re above level 34 – it’s a common Rare.

2. You see someone holding a kittening scythe, called Final Rest. Where do you get it? From the only critter that has it: the Shadow Behemoth.

3. Here’s a tougher one, and a cool one. Lord Taerne’s Shadow. What drops it? Chances are good, if you have one, you took it off of a Champion Spider.

4. The horrible looking greatsword Crystal Guardian – where would you get this? You look for a Branded champ.

4. You want to make a Corrupted Weapon, but that requires a lot of luck in finding a level 80 Etched weapon to start it. Where should you be hunting for it? I’ll let you guess this one.

Zypher.7609:

Nat.4029:

Zypher.7609:

Because getting weapons/armor with gold is a bad thing? Go play any content you want, anything you will make gold, exchange for gems and get the weapon/armor you want. No longer do you need to fight that fish 200 times with the hope of it dropping Super Fin of death. Now just fight anything collect gold, buy Super Fin of death.

You must’ve liked the Auction House in Diablo 3. Buying stuff just isn’t as fun as actually finding it. Sure you can kill that fish 200 times or even more, but when you finally see that Super Fin of Death drop, man…is it a glorious day! It feels so good. As it does with Diablo 3. Actually getting an awesome legendary drop feels SO much more rewarding than hopping into the AH and buying it.

I played WoW killing a boss in one of the raid dungeons probably a good 100 times trying to get a shield that looked like a wall with spikes. It was going to rock on my dwarf warrior, it dropped one night and went to the paladin. I proceeded to quit for a while.

“A good 100 times” is a bit of an exaggeration.

Also, a lot of factors come into play into why you didn’t get that shield. There’s a good chance its due to the fact that he was better than you.

Sariel V.7024:

Dahkeus.8243:

I don’t think the problem is as much that there aren’t enough skins available from gameplay, but there aren’t enough specific enemies that drop specific skins. I mean, I remember going into Sorrow’s Furnace in the first GW and farming certain bosses for a specific skin and it felt so much more rewarding when you got what you were looking for.

As it stands now, it feels like there’s no real aim for any farming and good item drops are just something that happen randomly with no rhyme or reason.

This isn’t true, as the gw2 equivalent of Uniques are associated with enemies. However there is a great deal of randomness and a god-awful paucity of information on what exotics drop from what.

Here’s some examples:

1. Say you want a Flame weapon. Where do you hunt for it? It’s a Charr cultural weapon, so you find them in Ascalon. What drops it? Just about anything if you’re above level 34 – it’s a common Rare.

2. You see someone holding a kittening scythe, called Final Rest. Where do you get it? From the only critter that has it: the Shadow Behemoth.

3. Here’s a tougher one, and a cool one. Lord Taerne’s Shadow. What drops it? Chances are good, if you have one, you took it off of a Champion Spider.

4. The horrible looking greatsword Crystal Guardian – where would you get this? You look for a Branded champ.

4. You want to make a Corrupted Weapon, but that requires a lot of luck in finding a level 80 Etched weapon to start it. Where should you be hunting for it? I’ll let you guess this one.

You’re not talking about the same thing I am. Regional drops are not the same thing as specific skins that drop from a single, named boss.

I.e. If you wanted to get the Razorstone, then you would need to kill Tanzit Razorstone.

Besides, no one farms for those skins. The handful of people that like those items just buy them from the trading post if they haven’t unlocked the skins already. No one would go out to farm charr for a flame weapon. Since those drop from ANY charr in the entire zone, they could never make the droprate of those weapons high enough for them to be worth the time to farm them. Especially considering that so many people get those all the time without trying and end up throwing them on the TP for next to nothing.

Huh, I have every outfit in the game, and I didn’t use a single IRL money to pay for it.

Exxcalibur.6203:

I don’t know what fantasy world people live in. Do people seriously expect Anet to keep the game going for free?

No one’s asking for “free” content, rather people question the means.

Nat.4029:

infantrydivEU.9670:

For the rewards

Seriously, pretty soon this game will have more weapons/armor originating from the gem store than from the actual game.

Oh well, the woes of a F2P game I suppose.

Are people OK with this? I’d actually almost prefer at this rate to not have new stuff added if it’s only gem store based.

What happened to doing a cool quest line or killing a difficult boss to get a weapon skin in games?

You get that from the good ole sub-based games. Anet has to keep paying the rent, so the Gem Store is what we get.

It would be cool if we would get atleast as much new skins through simply playing the game as we get from the gemstore.

Answer this:

Would you be cool with ANet adding two versions of each skin to the game, one tied to content and a more detailed, prettier one in the Gem Store?

Because that’s the best you’re gonna get. The cosmetics in the Gem Store are the biggest sellers and the Gem Store is where the money is at. You’re never going to get to a point where all the cosmetics are in the content.

Also, where would these skins come from? A new dungeon? WvW? World bosses? Random drops from mobs in a select area?

Olba.5376:

Answer this:

Would you be cool with ANet adding two versions of each skin to the game, one tied to content and a more detailed, prettier one in the Gem Store?

Because that’s the best you’re gonna get. The cosmetics in the Gem Store are the biggest sellers and the Gem Store is where the money is at. You’re never going to get to a point where all the cosmetics are in the content.

Also, where would these skins come from? A new dungeon? WvW? World bosses? Random drops from mobs in a select area?

1. YES. They’d lose money doing this, though.
2. Living Story currency, if they’re tied to LS, or whatever else they’re tied to.

ITT: a stealth request for Raid Bosses.

well played, sir.

infantrydivEU.9670:

For the rewards

Seriously, pretty soon this game will have more weapons/armor originating from the gem store than from the actual game.

Oh well, the woes of a F2P game I suppose.

Are people OK with this? I’d actually almost prefer at this rate to not have new stuff added if it’s only gem store based.

What happened to doing a cool quest line or killing a difficult boss to get a weapon skin in games?

FYI

GW2 is a B2P game. And the amount of Weapons and Armors from the core game outnumber Gemstore Weapons and Armors by more than 10 fold. What you need to complain about is that there needs to be MORE Gemstore goods. I have Gems, and I’m willing to spend!

I dont buy gems but they should do more content like this. Ive been wondering if Anet was going to go bankrupt for awhile.

Guhracie.3419:

I’m pretty baffled at how they’re handling rewards, these days. Ugh.

Pfffft, what rewards.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

infantrydivEU.9670:

For the rewards

Seriously, pretty soon this game will have more weapons/armor originating from the gem store than from the actual game.

Oh well, the woes of a F2P game I suppose.

Are people OK with this? I’d actually almost prefer at this rate to not have new stuff added if it’s only gem store based.

What happened to doing a cool quest line or killing a difficult boss to get a weapon skin in games?

FYI

GW2 is a B2P game. And the amount of Weapons and Armors from the core game outnumber Gemstore Weapons and Armors by more than 10 fold. What you need to complain about is that there needs to be MORE Gemstore goods. I have Gems, and I’m willing to spend!

More specifically, I’d consider it a buy-to-play-free-to-play game. To me, “buy to play” signifies an intent at either making a profit solely through box prices and expansion packs or actual new games. Diablo 3 is something I’d consider a fully “buy to play” game now with the removal of RMT coinciding with their expansion pack.

Zypher.7609:

infantrydivEU.9670:

Zypher.7609:

infantrydivEU.9670:

What happened to doing a cool quest line or killing a difficult boss to get a weapon skin in games?

Cool go buy Teq weapons.

Yeah, reskins of crafting weapons <3

Ahh ok, so you are a “if it doesn’t fit what I am looking for than it doesn’t exist” type of people. Got it. Also crafting weapons, can you buy them from the gem store?

Well how much effort do you think was put for creating teq weapons? (Hummm…. adding a smoke effects to existing model )

infantrydivEU.9670:

What happened to doing a cool quest line or killing a difficult boss to get a weapon skin in games?

I’d like more things like that. But on the other hand . . . I recall how many of those I never actually use still in GW1 and are sitting in a corner of my Xunlai Chest probably even now. (Full set of Urgoz’s bows, how about some neat uniques with interesting appearances which I never use . .. and the “awesome” . . . Banana Scythe.)

Of course, maybe with the Wardrobe it’d be less taxing on me but still.

Perhaps they can whip up a single-use Ticket to claim something at the end of LS2? Or include a chance at BL Claim Tickets as part of specific world boss event bonus chest prizes? (Those are once per day per account right?)

On F2P, B2P and P2P: GW1 proved they could do minimal cash shop and stay afloat on game sales.

On rewards: Yes I agree completely with the idea that something that can be bought is not really a reward. We may have a ton of skins in the game already, but they aren’t really giving us a reward reason to hype/play new content.

Instead of your friends telling you:

“Hey, come check out this new Dry Top place where you can work toward ninja armor!”

It’s:

“Hey come check out this new Dry Top place! Also you can buy this ninja costume with money or go back to wherever and farm champs to get it!”

It’s just not the same. Even if you save up gems before every LS update, is that really playing the new content for the new rewards?

I don’t mind the gem store, nor that skins are available primarily through real life cash.

What I do mind, is that Anet skimps out on us by releasing outfits instead of actual armor sets, and still expects us to pay 7/8th of the price, even if we only get 10% of the customization options.

Nat.4029:

infantrydivEU.9670:

For the rewards

Seriously, pretty soon this game will have more weapons/armor originating from the gem store than from the actual game.

Oh well, the woes of a F2P game I suppose.

Are people OK with this? I’d actually almost prefer at this rate to not have new stuff added if it’s only gem store based.

What happened to doing a cool quest line or killing a difficult boss to get a weapon skin in games?

You get that from the good ole sub-based games. Anet has to keep paying the rent, so the Gem Store is what we get.

I can mention another game that was launched as " No sub".. was revolutionary in it’s time, it based it’s business model on selling you expansions, just because Gw2 is centered on the gem store, does not mean that is the only business model that works.

That other game included a gem store at some point, although it was so unobtrusive that I only found out about it, by reading about it on these forums…

For years, after Prophesies, Factions and Nightfall, I still had no clue it had a Cash shop.

So no, I don’t accept that " Gem Store is what get" It’s more Like " Gem Store is what we are being given." and " gem Store is what a Lot of us are willing to accept, and be happy with."

id rather do the content then whip out my kitten

sorry just had to say that, I think that despite the picture these forums paint, the truth is the cash shops making a killing, its the only logical explanation why they’ve stuck with its format, and think about, when its little timmy’s birthday and he sees something in the gem store that tickled his fancy, do you think hes not gonna buy it? just think of the millions of micro transactions that must have taken place on impulse, its not that there isn’t another way, its that the current way is more profitable than we realise.

Nerelith.7360:

Nat.4029:

infantrydivEU.9670:

For the rewards

Seriously, pretty soon this game will have more weapons/armor originating from the gem store than from the actual game.

Oh well, the woes of a F2P game I suppose.

Are people OK with this? I’d actually almost prefer at this rate to not have new stuff added if it’s only gem store based.

What happened to doing a cool quest line or killing a difficult boss to get a weapon skin in games?

You get that from the good ole sub-based games. Anet has to keep paying the rent, so the Gem Store is what we get.

I can mention another game that was launched as " No sub".. was revolutionary in it’s time, it based it’s business model on selling you expansions, just because Gw2 is centered on the gem store, does not mean that is the only business model that works.

That other game included a gem store at some point, although it was so unobtrusive that I only found out about it, by reading about it on these forums…

For years, after Prophesies, Factions and Nightfall, I still had no clue it had a Cash shop.

So no, I don’t accept that " Gem Store is what get" It’s more Like " Gem Store is what we are being given." and " gem Store is what a Lot of us are willing to accept, and be happy with."

This game is much MUCH more costly to maintain than the original GW was. I want an expansion just as much as the next guy, but the Gem Store is their necessary evil at the moment since they aren’t charging a sub.

Nat.4029:

What happened to doing a cool quest line or killing a difficult boss to get a weapon skin in games?

You get that from the good ole sub-based games. Anet has to keep paying the rent, so the Gem Store is what we get.
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Actually in those “good ol’ sub based” games it’s always about grinding 9001 hours of something to earn the item. Why? To make you pay for 9001 hours of subscription time. You want to earn a reward for beating a challenging boss? Go play Dark Souls. Single player games are the only ones that still truly design around challenge, because replayability is important when the game is paid for only once. Persistent games always come with time-based caveats.

Xenon.4537:

Nat.4029:

What happened to doing a cool quest line or killing a difficult boss to get a weapon skin in games?

You get that from the good ole sub-based games. Anet has to keep paying the rent, so the Gem Store is what we get.

Actually in those “good ol’ sub based” games it’s always about grinding 9001 hours of something to earn the item. Why? To make you pay for 9001 hours of subscription time. You want to earn a reward for beating a challenging boss? Go play Dark Souls. Single player games are the only ones that still truly design around challenge, because replayability is important when the game is paid for only once. Persistent games always come with time-based caveats.

The whole point was that in sub-based game, all the weapon skins and other gear is all obtainable in-game and not from a cash shop. You kill dungeon bosses, they drop certain loot. You kill raid bosses, they drop certain loot. Of course, this all comes with the price of a sub. Some would much rather pay that than buy things from a cash shop for instant gratification. Instant gratification just isn’t my thing. And 9001 hours is a bit hyperbolic.

I totally agree with you on your point though. If challenge is your reward then play Dark Souls.