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Posted by: Xuro.5861

Xuro.5861

Will they be added? The new watchwork mining pick has additional items as drops from nodes so I’m wondering if the old permanent tools get adjusted aswell? They are the same price after all.

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Posted by: Romek.4201

Romek.4201

but you buyd them without bonus – so you cant ask now for more^^

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Posted by: Zaxares.5419

Zaxares.5419

Maybe, but this sets a bad precedent. I have no problem with new tools with different animations being released, but a new unlimited pick, for the same price as the previous ones, that gives EXTRA loot per swing? Why would we ever buy the old picks again? Or buy the tools now knowing that they could be superseded by future releases?

I really want someone from ANet to respond to this and let us know if this behaviour is intended.

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Posted by: Sina.9208

Sina.9208

I don’t know if its a bad precedent, it depends if they allow for refund for the old items or not.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

lordkrall.7241

I don’t know if its a bad precedent, it depends if they allow for refund for the old items or not.

Why would they though?

If I buy the same car next year that you bought today I might very well get something extra with said car.

That said, I do wonder why they suddenly decided to add this, especially since it says nothing about it in the description, which makes me wonder if it is a bug.

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Posted by: Sina.9208

Sina.9208

I don’t know if its a bad precedent, it depends if they allow for refund for the old items or not.

Why would they though?

If I buy the same car next year that you bought today I might very well get something extra with said car.

That said, I do wonder why they suddenly decided to add this, especially since it says nothing about it in the description, which makes me wonder if it is a bug.

Wouldn’t you feel cheated if your 3 month old phone (spanking new state of the art model too) got replaced with an improved model for the SAME price ?

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

lordkrall.7241

Wouldn’t you feel cheated if your 3 month old phone (spanking new state of the art model too) got replaced with an improved model for the SAME price ?

Not really.
That is after all how the world works.
New and better stuff gets released all the time.

And for the record I do have two full sets of the first ones released (Molten, Consortium, Chop-It-All).

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Posted by: Essence Snow.3194

Essence Snow.3194

I don’t know if its a bad precedent, it depends if they allow for refund for the old items or not.

Why would they though?

If I buy the same car next year that you bought today I might very well get something extra with said car.

That said, I do wonder why they suddenly decided to add this, especially since it says nothing about it in the description, which makes me wonder if it is a bug.

Wouldn’t you feel cheated if your 3 month old phone (spanking new state of the art model too) got replaced with an improved model for the SAME price ?

lol Evidently you are not familiar with one of the white knights of the round table.

That aside my thoughts on this is moreso towards it moving away from a strictly “convenience” item and more towards paying for advantages.

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Posted by: Zaxares.5419

Zaxares.5419

Yes, that’s exactly what I’m concerned about. The Watchwork Pick is the first gem store-only tool that offers a distinct in-game advantage over anything you can purchase normally. The previous tools offered only convenience and aesthetics.

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Posted by: Shiren.9532

Shiren.9532

Just remove the ability to gather sprockets. Problem solved. This is power creep, kill it now before it becomes a nasty infestation that can’t be cleanly removed from the game.

Honestly, I’m not surprised the monetisation team did this. They don’t respect their customers.

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Posted by: Anen.1742

Anen.1742

Yes, that’s exactly what I’m concerned about. The Watchwork Pick is the first gem store-only tool that offers a distinct in-game advantage over anything you can purchase normally. The previous tools offered only convenience and aesthetics.

Boosters & co already offer ingame advantages and can be aquired in the BLTC.

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Posted by: Vol.7601

Vol.7601

I have to agree here. Usually I defend Anet against the unreasonable fanbase, but I think this new pick is enroaching on P2W territory. It doesn’t matter that the sprockets are cheap, but the fact that it does give you extra items over your standard pick is not good.

Unlimited picks are convenience, which is fine. Unlimited picks which give out extra loot which is not accessable by normal picks is not.

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Posted by: Culwenimos.1594

Culwenimos.1594

Yes, that’s exactly what I’m concerned about. The Watchwork Pick is the first gem store-only tool that offers a distinct in-game advantage over anything you can purchase normally. The previous tools offered only convenience and aesthetics.

I agree with this. There’s some repercussions of this.

1) People who have the previous tools would think less of/de-value their tools now that an added functionality exists.
2) People now have to decide whether to buy the tool, not only based on the look/animation of tool but whether the bonus material is worth having compared to possible future ones to get the “Best in slot” tool.

Also note that adding the chance to get sprockets is giving an alternative to having the Living Story node in your home instance and will ensure that there’s a steady supply of these in the market. I guess if future tools only give bonus chance for Living Story material then it makes sure that the price of those stay reasonable as well as not giving too much of an advantage in the original markets.

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Posted by: Kupper.8074

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Next is a sickle that gathers pristine spores, just you wait.

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Posted by: Nicron.2794

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I have to agree here. Usually I defend Anet against the unreasonable fanbase, but I think this new pick is enroaching on P2W territory. It doesn’t matter that the sprockets are cheap, but the fact that it does give you extra items over your standard pick is not good.

Unlimited picks are convenience, which is fine. Unlimited picks which give out extra loot which is not accessable by normal picks is not.

This
This was exactly what i thought when i saw the new tool
The first line has been crossed

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Posted by: Manuhell.2759

Manuhell.2759

Well, now you know how people that bought the old digital deluxe upgrade felt when they added heroic edition items to new purchases of the digital deluxe upgrade.

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Posted by: Rising Dusk.2408

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I have to agree here. Usually I defend Anet against the unreasonable fanbase, but I think this new pick is enroaching on P2W territory. It doesn’t matter that the sprockets are cheap, but the fact that it does give you extra items over your standard pick is not good.

Unlimited picks are convenience, which is fine. Unlimited picks which give out extra loot which is not accessable by normal picks is not.

I logged on because I wanted to post, but found that Vol said exactly what I was already going to say. I agree with his sentiment entirely; it is not okay that this new pick gives bonus loot.

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Posted by: Passafist.2035

Passafist.2035

Even worse is that the pick is account bound. Thus, not only does it give more loot, but its more alt friendly than older picks. Thanks for making me loose gem store trust in you Anet.

Wanna fix it? make older picks mine their own resources or at LEAST make them account bound. That way I can give my old tools to alts and have my main use the best ones.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

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even worse is that the pick is account bound. Thus, not only does it give mroe loot, but its more alt friendly than older picks. Thanks for making me loose gem store trust in you Anet

You are aware that the old picks have been account-bound (or able to change to account-bound by talking to an NPC) for months, right?

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Posted by: drkn.3429

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Well, now you know how people that bought the old digital deluxe upgrade felt when they added heroic edition items to new purchases of the digital deluxe upgrade.

Except i received the heroic stuff upon that update, myself being a digital deluxe pre-purchaser. A chest with shiny set of profane armour along with some boosters and bags arrived to me via in-game mail.

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Posted by: jazzllanna.1278

jazzllanna.1278

Well, now you know how people that bought the old digital deluxe upgrade felt when they added heroic edition items to new purchases of the digital deluxe upgrade.

Except i received the heroic stuff upon that update, myself being a digital deluxe pre-purchaser. A chest with shiny set of profane armour along with some boosters and bags arrived to me via in-game mail.

Really? I was a digital deluxe pre-purchaser also and did not get this mail. Did everyone get this.. because I guess I should open a ticket.

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Posted by: Absconditus.6804

Absconditus.6804

Well, now you know how people that bought the old digital deluxe upgrade felt when they added heroic edition items to new purchases of the digital deluxe upgrade.

Except i received the heroic stuff upon that update, myself being a digital deluxe pre-purchaser. A chest with shiny set of profane armour along with some boosters and bags arrived to me via in-game mail.

I sure didn’t get that. Anyways on-topic, I think ultimately it would be wiser to quickly remove the ability of the new Watchwork Mining Pick to have a chance at gaining sprockets. Adding Azurite to Molten, Candy Corn from Halloween pick, etc. will just make the idea of it being a convenience item fly out the window for me. You’re, as others bring up, then stepping on the Pay 2 Win territory with these items—even though I don’t necessarily find it fair for GW2 to be called a P2W title at any rate, considering its provided ability to convert Gold -> Gems.

It no longer is simply an convenience to have these gathering tools however, if it is something that gives you an advantage, however small it may be, over someone who does not have them. Granted, Boosters are already touching upon this territory, albeit it is minor in most cases with it mainly being convenience buffs speeding up things. It won’t bother me too much if nothing is done about it, but I do understand that players such as myself who has purchased the Molten Alliance Mining Pick, might be a little annoyed that suddenly a new one appears that gives you a drop that you can not get otherwise out in the world as you mine.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

lordkrall.7241

The best solution for everyone would simply be to add the ability to buy temporary versions of these picks in the game. Then it will be more or less exactly the same as the already existing permanent tools.

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Posted by: Vick.6805

Vick.6805

The playerbase makes it clear that most people don’t want vertical progression in armor and weapons…

…so ANet does it with permanent gathering tools instead.

Makes perfect sense to me. /s

This gem store bullkitten is ridiculous.

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Posted by: Sarrs.4831

Sarrs.4831

This is an absolutely horrible idea and I’m genuinely amazed that somebody gave it the go-ahead.

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Posted by: Bloodchild.2680

Bloodchild.2680

Agreed 1,000,000,000%

Either remove the extra item chance from the new one or add item drops to the old ones. I was shocked when I read that, complete garbage IMO.

p.s. Idc if you disagree this is my opinion.

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Posted by: Windwalker.2047

Windwalker.2047

OH YAY LETS ARTIFICIALLY MAKE A WAY TO GET A TON OF COGS BECAUSE WE WERE STUPID ENOUGH TO MAKE RECIPES THAT TAKE 500 kittenING COGS
AND THEN LETS PUT IT IN THE kittenING kittenED kitten GEMSTORE!

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Posted by: Manuhell.2759

Manuhell.2759

Really? I was a digital deluxe pre-purchaser also and did not get this mail. Did everyone get this.. because I guess I should open a ticket.

Me neither, obviously – as we weren’t supposed to get anthing more than what we paid for, after all.

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Posted by: Mystic.5934

Mystic.5934

at first I thought a potential fix would be to add bonus loot to the old infinite picks (such as azurite to molten and candy corn to halloween one), but that also wouldn’t be a good idea. they would still be pay to win.
two acceptable alternative designs:
- the watchwork sprocket replaces what you otherwise would of mined. apparently right now a rich node would give 10 iron ore + 2 sprockets. just make it 8 iron ore + 2 sprockets! there; basically even.
- gathering tools do not give anything different, just as they used to

there is no way I will ever buy a tool that gives extra. because that means that in 2 months they’ll release an infinite one that is equivalent to black lion pick, then 2 months later they’ll release one that has a 20% chance at upgraded material (mine mithril, get ori), then 2 months later they’ll release one that has a 20% chance of a bonus cloth material of the same tier (mine ori, get 3 ori + 1 gossamer). This item starts pay to win vertical gear progression. I am not going to be paying for gear updates every 2 months. maybe if they release all of them and say ‘no more’, THEN i’ll pick my favorite (probably even top 2 or 3) and buy that one – it would still be pay to win, but it wouldn’t be gear progression.

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Posted by: Sylanna.1947

Sylanna.1947

As an owner of the older versions of the infinite tools, I have to actually disagree with most people here. We bought an item and knew exactly what it was and what it did. So what, the store released something for the same price that does a little something extra. Does this make the item we bought now useless? No. This game is already pay to win if you really want, buy tons of gems, convert to gold, then get what you want. I mean, is the store never allowed to release something that is better than something they previously released? That’s just silly. If it bothers you that much, buy the new one. I really don’t see the issue here.

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Posted by: DarcShriek.5829

DarcShriek.5829

Everybody bought the first set of tools for 800 each. Most people bought second set of tools for 800. These cost 1000.

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Posted by: DarcShriek.5829

DarcShriek.5829

Even worse is that the pick is account bound. Thus, not only does it give more loot, but its more alt friendly than older picks. Thanks for making me loose gem store trust in you Anet.

Wanna fix it? make older picks mine their own resources or at LEAST make them account bound. That way I can give my old tools to alts and have my main use the best ones.

The older picks are account bound also. If you have a souldbound version, it can be updated for free by a black lion weapon specialist or whatever.

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Posted by: Zaxares.5419

Zaxares.5419

Everybody bought the first set of tools for 800 each. Most people bought second set of tools for 800. These cost 1000.

But the price of the tools went up to 1000 when they became account bound. Those of us (me included) who bought extra copies of the tools did so because we didn’t want the hassle of having to swap tools between characters. ANet furthermore gave us the option of getting a refund if we wanted to trade back our extra tools at the old 800 gems price. It was fair for all involved.

The stuff below is not directed at DarcShriek in particular:

Comparisons between this new pick and the boosters isn’t really the same. The boosters offer an in-game advantage, yes, but they are not usable in PvP and thus offer no “competitive” advantage. (Not to mention you can get boosters for “free” from Black Lion Chests and Achievement Chests.) The new pick DOES offer a small monetary advantage, and if prices for Sprockets somehow skyrockets in the future, it could turn into quite a windfall down the line.

If ANet released a gem store-only item that gave the player who bought it a 50% discount on all their waypoint fees forever, would you be crying foul? Monetarily speaking, that’s similar to what this pick offers.

I agree with Mystic and the others; the ability to salvage sprockets with the new pick should be removed. Gem store items should stick to offering only convenience and cosmetic advantages.

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Posted by: DarcShriek.5829

DarcShriek.5829

No one paid 1000 credits for any of the tools in the first set. They always sold for 800 credits.

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Posted by: Elestian.6134

Elestian.6134

Next is a sickle that gathers pristine spores, just you wait.

If ANet hadn’t thought of it already, you’ve just doomed us all.

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Posted by: Zaxares.5419

Zaxares.5419

I’m afraid that’s where you’re wrong, Darc. Yes, they were initially sold for 800 gems back during Flame & Frost, Secret of Southsun and the Aetherblade Pirates release. People who bought them during their initial releases paid 800 gems.

Then, during November I believe, the tools got upgraded to be account bound by default. All 3 tools were put on sale for the new price of 1000 gems, and you can bet that lots of people bought them up during this period too.

More recently, all 3 tools were brought back again during New Year’s for 2250 gems, which technically equates to 750 gems each, but I’m discounting this because it was a special promotional offer for buying all 3 at once. The baseline price for the tools is now 1000 gems.

Which, to come back to the main point, means that the new Watchwork Pick costs exactly the same as the Molten Pick, but it offers advantages above and beyond what the old picks did.

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Posted by: Yami.7145

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First glance would be to just add bonuses to the older gathering tools, but we’re forgetting about something Anet has been building up for some time: The Home instance in cities.

Putting all the reasons why this added chance of sprockets is bad aside, we have to look at the home instance. It was useless at the start, no reason to go there at all. Then they started to add things like quartz and candy corn nodes to it and some people actually started to go there to mine. With every addition through meta achievements, players get more and more reasons to go to the home instance and mine.

Now with this new tool, we can get that resource from the living story meta everywhere. Not only will it devalue the currency more, but why even have a node in your home instance? If we were to add extra abilities to the old gathering tools, it would likely be quartz, candy corn, etc….which we have nodes for in our home instance. After all the months of building this place up to be something players can actually find worth while to do, they are going to begin to kill it with this new added effect to the gathering tool.

It’s a bad idea to supplement older tools with new effects, and it is rather obvious plenty of people are upset now their old tools are "obsolete’ compared to this new one. My solution would to take this new effect off the new tool altogether. If Anet is worried that people need to spend countless days mining these sprockets in their home instance themselves (and not buying any from the TP let’s say), why not introduce a way to upgrade the nodes you have in your home? I’m not talking about a pure “pay 50 gold and get double the resources”, but more so a set of challenges/achievements/quests they would have to do in order to gain access to this added benefit. Every player would have a chance to upgrade what they have and you could not pay your way to gain access to more than a normal player would have.

People that do NOT have these resources for w/e reasons (missing the living story, etc) could have a chance to unlock them as well. So not only do we have horizontal progression through upgrades, but acquiring new resources altogether.

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Posted by: cranked.3812

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The simplest solution is to make mining picks like legendary weapons. They are always BiS. New pick comes out with new abilities? They all get that ability.

On a side note, why make the LS main achieve give you a mining node instance and then release a pick that also gives sprockets?

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Posted by: Aidenwolf.5964

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I sincerely hope this was a mistake and not intended. I own a set of unlimited tools and they’re the last I’ll ever need, or are they? Why the hell would Anet add a resource to existing nodes which can only be obtained with a gem store item? Remove this ability entirely. Do not add it to my Molten Pick as then I would have an advantage over players using the Ori Picks. My pick can mine everything and lasts forever and has a cool animation, anything more is pay to win. Shame on you A net, remove this now.

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Posted by: Septemptus.7164

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Maybe, but this sets a bad precedent. I have no problem with new tools with different animations being released, but a new unlimited pick, for the same price as the previous ones, that gives EXTRA loot per swing? Why would we ever buy the old picks again? Or buy the tools now knowing that they could be superseded by future releases?

I really want someone from ANet to respond to this and let us know if this behaviour is intended.

I want it also.

Why do I get punished for buying my molten pucks (for each character) months ago?!

This is really slap in the face… Great work… Whoever is responsible for it.
Make people even more frustrated by the gem shop, so we will probably stop using it all together with GW2.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

lordkrall.7241

Why do I get punished for buying my molten pucks (for each character) months ago?!

Well to be fair that is how everything works in real life as well.
If you buy a car today, I will be able to buy a better car for the same price in a few months.

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Posted by: Sarrs.4831

Sarrs.4831

Why do I get punished for buying my molten pucks (for each character) months ago?!

Well to be fair that is how everything works in real life as well.
If you buy a car today, I will be able to buy a better car for the same price in a few months.

They can’t retrofit your car without incurring cost, though. They can retrofit your pick with next to no effort.

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Posted by: Manuhell.2759

Manuhell.2759

Why do I get punished for buying my molten pucks (for each character) months ago?!

Well to be fair that is how everything works in real life as well.
If you buy a car today, I will be able to buy a better car for the same price in a few months.

They can’t retrofit your car without incurring cost, though. They can retrofit your pick with next to no effort.

They could have done it with people with the old digital deluxe as well. They didn’t. And no one was bothered by it, often calling out people who didn’t like getting their version obsoleted as self-entitled, or saying that we got what we paid for.
This is the same situation…there are just more people involved – and burned.
And since they weren’t bothered at all before, they deserve it – too easy complaining only if the situation impacts you directly. If people were against these practices, they should have posted six months ago. They didn’t. Now enjoy your obsolete tools as i’m enjoying my obsolete digital deluxe. And if you aren’t happy…you can just buy the new one – that’s what we were being said about the items introduced, after all.

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Posted by: Septemptus.7164

Septemptus.7164

Why do I get punished for buying my molten pucks (for each character) months ago?!

Well to be fair that is how everything works in real life as well.
If you buy a car today, I will be able to buy a better car for the same price in a few months.

They can’t retrofit your car without incurring cost, though. They can retrofit your pick with next to no effort.

Of course the can. That’s the point.

We were supposed to play the game that won’t make us run in endless gear treadmill, but if I spend thousands of gems for inferior tools it’s OK, because it’s not really a gear?

Well, for me it is. So I won’t just sit and wait. I really expect them to address the issue.

Why do I get punished for buying my molten pucks (for each character) months ago?!

Well to be fair that is how everything works in real life as well.
If you buy a car today, I will be able to buy a better car for the same price in a few months.

They can’t retrofit your car without incurring cost, though. They can retrofit your pick with next to no effort.

They could have done it with people with the old digital deluxe as well. They didn’t. And no one was bothered by it, often calling out people who didn’t like getting their version obsoleted as self-entitled, or saying that we got what we paid for.
This is the same situation…there are just more people involved – and burned.
And since they weren’t bothered at all before, they deserve it – too easy complaining only if the situation impacts you directly. If people were against these practices, they should have posted six months ago. They didn’t. Now enjoy your obsolete tools as i’m enjoying my obsolete digital deluxe. And if you aren’t happy…you can just buy the new one – that’s what we were being said about the items introduced, after all.

If you mean one purchase for few $ or 2k gems, sure.

If you want to sit and do nothing it’s your way, but be sure there are those who will leave the game because it will be the last drop for them.

The way gemstore works is just shameful lately. Even before reskins they started pushing prices up a lot. Now we have 1 piece of gear worth 500 gems (well paint for the face would hardly be called a helmet)? That is price for full 6 pieces GW1 armor skins… Great work…

If they want to have more people playing and spending money they really need to listen to people and don’t make them feel bad for paying a lot of gems. Just look on the forum. People feel bad about it.

I bought 11 sets of tools for all my characters and now they will be marked one by one as inferior? Why? Because I bought the too early? Really?
Great work. You just make me regret spend any cash in gem store.

What is next? People from ANet will make me regret playing in GW2 all together?

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

Behellagh.1468

So GW1 armor skins were only about $1 a piece.

Roll to disbelieve.

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Posted by: Flissy.4093

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It’s difficult to classify anything in the gem store as “pay to win” when the gold -> gem function exists. It’s like purchasing something off the trading post, but as a 100% gold sink rather than 15%, with 85% going to another player. As more people buy the item, the gems it cost will become more expensive in in-game gold (treat as depleting TP supply).

This is really blown out of proportion if you consider a gold→gem feature exists. What I don’t like that it is likely a limited time item, so players after this is removed miss out on the advantage.

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Posted by: DeShadowWolf.6854

DeShadowWolf.6854

I have to agree here. Usually I defend Anet against the unreasonable fanbase, but I think this new pick is enroaching on P2W territory. It doesn’t matter that the sprockets are cheap, but the fact that it does give you extra items over your standard pick is not good.

Unlimited picks are convenience, which is fine. Unlimited picks which give out extra loot which is not accessable by normal picks is not.

QFT

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Posted by: MasterMc.7543

MasterMc.7543

Let me start by saying that I am fine with this new pick, but I also understand where people are coming from that are not fine by it. When they bought any other infinite axe in the past it was sold as an item that would never need to be replaced, as was the point to get one, so as to never have to buy more (ie. Vendor sold ones). And it was this convenience that bad the rather questionable amount of money worth it. But now they show one that does the same ++.

Comparing this to say a new phone is a bad comparison. Instead this should be looked at more like a house, or even in some cases a car. Let me explain, when one generally buys a house they don’t plan to have to buy a new one later on, it’s a long term purchase. Sure new house will be made that will offer something new, but here is the difference, one can got out and “MODIFY” they current house to have the SAME features, of the newer one. It would be unreasonable for someone to have to buy a new house just to get say an automatic garage door, instead of manual. This is where I think anet messed up.

Instead what anet should have done is add the item, PLUS a way to upgrade current infinite tools, for a small fee (100 gems). In fact this could have opened a whole new market where they could have sold “Modifiers” for tool that would go into their own slot and would add chances of drops, fast animations, temporary buffs, etc. This would then not made existing tools feel obsolete, give people that don’t have an infinite tool yet a chance to get one, while bringing in money for anet though the sale of these modifiers.

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Posted by: Xuro.5861

Xuro.5861

I spent over 100 euro’s on permanent tools so I won’t let this topic die so easily.

Up you go.

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Posted by: Lord Kuru.3685

Lord Kuru.3685

At best, this is a bad business decision. Many people will now wait on buying tools, hoping that the next one will have an even better pay-to-win bonus.