Guild Wars 2

The patch a few minutes ago was a bunch of bug fixes and this:

Adjusted selling within the Trading Post so that the default is set to match the highest buyer instead of the lowest seller.

Why??? Can we at least get an option to change this. Now listing an item, which is the most frequent action on the TP for most players, requires extra mouse movement and an extra click.

Because the people that rather sell directly complained about it.

I agree though that people should have a choice in the options menu maybe.
Sell to highest bid or match lowest listing by default and sell all or sell 1 by default.

Seriously ? I will now have to type all the price for all the items I sell, instead of changing one number or nothing at all ? What’s with all these QoL downgrades with this patch, day after day ?

EDIT : No, it’s finally only one click more.

One man’s ceiling is another man’s floor. People who want insta-coin prefer sell to highest buyer; people who want more coin prefer match lowest seller.

I agree with the OP et al: how about some options for the TP?

actually, I think that if you say “I want to buy more of this item”, it should default to the lowest sell listing (you want to buy more? here’s the price for buying it right now)
and if you say “I want to sell this item”, it should default to the highest buy order (you want to sell this item? here’s the price to sell it right now)
personally, I almost always chose to do the opposite of this, but this makes sense.

I always list at the lowest seller unless there’s a weird discrepancy with someone trying to massivly undercut. This change added a click to every single sale I make. I’d really like the option to choose a default.

Ugh, economy… Players often do the mistake of selling as thw default and that’s only one thing that keeps the economy as it is.
The default on the first TP was the same (sell to highest buyer).
Now if it’s on default to sell as lowest seller what will happen is that players which doesn’t take their time to sell items will sell to lowest seller, sellers which undercut to get first in line will be shoved back by those who sell without minding and so on untill the lowest seller ties with highest buyer. This phenomenon won’t work the other way as much as on sell to lowest buyer is set to default.

Setting sell as lowest seller can harm the economy and the traders playground.
I as a seller, thought to quit the game when I first saw “sell as lowest seller” set to default. Not to mention the fact that observing prices is easier then ever, I dare not even think how this will result.

Because that’s what the default was prior to the feature pack and they’re maintaining the status quo?

This change is terrible, it takes so many more clicks and work then it used to. Another example of your dumbing down the game just frustrating players, please revert or give the option of what we want as default.

Agreed inefficiency’s no improvement, especially if it’s a compromise to the predecessor. This change is similar though on a bigger scale than how they changed selecting traits, we had a perfectly good drop down at the trait line’s location, instead it’s taken away and we’re forced to click further on the left of the screen… Senseless.
Never pass something off as new and improved when it’s not. Have seen too many snafus claiming as much from websites and other games this year, makes me cringe.

EnemyCrusher.7324:

The patch a few minutes ago was a bunch of bug fixes and this:

Adjusted selling within the Trading Post so that the default is set to match the highest buyer instead of the lowest seller.

Why??? Can we at least get an option to change this. Now listing an item, which is the most frequent action on the TP for most players, requires extra mouse movement and an extra click.

To add, same for the Hero tab, it should default to Equipment has pressing H did pre April’s pack, having to press H & then Equipment amounts to a waste of time day after day.

I preferred it the way it was. If I’m in a hurry and not paying attention I may end up instantly selling an item I could get more for. Often times the highest buy order is at least 30 silver lower than the lowest sell price.

The way it was meant if I got in a hurry and clicked the button it would be listed as matching the lowest sale price. If I decided I wanted to sell it instantly I could cancel the listing and retry, but at least I wouldn’t accidentally sell it for lower then what I want for it.

I agree with others that an option would be nice to have it always select lowest seller or select highest buy order. That way people who just want to get rid of stuff can set it up to where they only need to click once. And the same for people who are patient and want to list an item without selling it outright.

First it was this way on the old TP.

Basically speed runners and train crowds who were used to dump their loot for immediate coin (not really but most times true) shouted to high heaven about the original change to defaulting on match low sale price since now when they go to fetch their coin, a lot more items haven’t sold yet.

Oh the humanity.

Good odds that most of these players also bemoan how they can’t earn enough coin, unlike TP flippers, which they are unwittingly supplying with items to sell at the low sale price.

Without question giving us the option would be optimal.

That said; since we’ve been told liquid buy listings and sell listings bring markets closer to equilibrium, shouldn’t the default be a listing to encourage beneficial market actions?

I was about to make the same thread. This is stupid. I thought it was finally fixed and they went and changed it back. Can we at least choose what we want it as?

And what’s next? Automatic 1c undercut?

I hate this change. I never sell to highest offer unless its like a copper below sell highest offer

This is a terrible change, some of us like to LIST our items instead of losing out on potential money. It’s stupid and I would at least like an option to revert to how it was, and no – adding an option in 6 months later in a “March 2015 Feature Pack!!” is not good enough. Revert it if you are unable to add an option within a timely manner, please.

This is very welcome improvement over the sell UI.

I often want to sell (instantly) dozens of stacks of items. Now that Sell Instantly is the default, can can do it with just 4 clicks / item stack instead of 5. This may not seem a lot but managing items is the part of the game I loathe.

BTW the old TP sell UI required 2 clicks / item stack. So I’d rather have all the sell UI changes rolled back.

Still waiting ANet to fix WvW loot tables or gold revenue so that I would not have to micro-manage thousands of items. Or at least a Sell Instantly All Items I Do Not Want button in backpack like vendor windows have a Sell Junk button.

Wanze.8410:

Because the people that rather sell directly complained about it.

I agree though that people should have a choice in the options menu maybe.
Sell to highest bid or match lowest listing by default and sell all or sell 1 by default.

Having skipped over the rest of the thread, I cannot +1 this enough. This is EXACTLY the kind of things they need to be doing. In fact, they could almost create a TP options menu of its own (like sound and hotkeys do).

The TP should remember every player’s last selection and default to that.

That would make everybody happy. There.

I’d also appreciate it if I didn’t have to manually sort by price every few seconds. ANet, please save my filter settings (locally if you must).

I think that default sell to highest buyer should actually be default to lowest seller. People will complain yes. But they don’t understand that doing that will actually net them the least coin. The game should not encourage play that is the least beneficial to the player.

Now default buy to highest buyer. That is a problem. Some orders will get fulfilled instantly others may take a while. This can lead to confusion with some players on why they did not get their item.

anzenketh.3759:

I think that default sell to highest buyer should actually be default to lowest seller. People will complain yes. But they don’t understand that doing that will actually net them the least coin. The game should not encourage play that is the least beneficial to the player.

Now default buy to highest buyer. That is a problem. Some orders will get fulfilled instantly others may take a while. This can lead to confusion with some players on why they did not get their item.

Y’all do realize that buy orders and sell orders can only exist because other players sell instantly/buy instantly? If all players placed orders, nobody would ever buy/sell ANYTHING.

Some players want to maximize on net profit, others want to maximize on time. Both are valid.

Hence ANet should not make the decision for or against either of those – like I said – just remember the mode I used in my last transaction and I’ll happily always sell instantly/buy instantly/sell order/buy order most of the time.

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

anzenketh.3759:

I think that default sell to highest buyer should actually be default to lowest seller. People will complain yes. But they don’t understand that doing that will actually net them the least coin. The game should not encourage play that is the least beneficial to the player.

Now default buy to highest buyer. That is a problem. Some orders will get fulfilled instantly others may take a while. This can lead to confusion with some players on why they did not get their item.

Y’all do realize that buy orders and sell orders can only exist because other players sell instantly/buy instantly? If all players placed orders, nobody would ever buy/sell ANYTHING.

Some players want to maximize on net profit, others want to maximize on time. Both are valid.

Hence ANet should not make the decision for or against either of those – like I said – just remember the mode I used in my last transaction and I’ll happily always sell instantly/buy instantly/sell order/buy order most of the time.

I think the problem is deeper then that though. I think there is a problem with people understanding the buy/sell interface.

See my feedback on the trading post for more information.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/PROs-and-CONs-New-Trading-Post/page/2#post4401302

I agree that options would be a great way to satisfy both groups here.

I think that default sell to highest buyer should actually be default to lowest seller. People will complain yes. But they don’t understand that doing that will actually net them the least coin. The game should not encourage play that is the least beneficial to the player.

Now default buy to highest buyer. That is a problem. Some orders will get fulfilled instantly others may take a while. This can lead to confusion with some players on why they did not get their item.

Honestly, this is just insulting. I sell to buy orders all the time and I know full well that I’m losing money in the long run. It is a matter of convenience for me. I can match the lowest seller or undercut him to try to get a bit more money, but there are two problems with it: 1) What if I want my money now, to use it? Now I have to wait for someone to buy. 2) What if some TP flipping guy or just another seller undercuts me? Guess what, now I have to wait for his stuff to sell before mine gets sold. Or I have to go watch the dang TP and relist my stuff to make sure it gets sold.

Undercutting is a headache for those of us who just want to sell our crap quickly and having it default to match lowest seller is not going to change my habits. It’s just going to give me more clicks. Furthermore, the more people you have matching lowest seller and/or undercutting each other, the more of a headache it will be for everyone trying to sell their crap at all.

If you are someone who tries to profit off of the TP, you should want people to sell to buy orders! They are playing right into your hands.

Edit: I mean, heck, you could make your same argument that people should be encouraged to place buy orders rather than directly buy what’s being sold (after all, it is more profitable), but if you put both that and match lowest seller together, you get a crowd of people who never actually exchange goods.

Labjax.2465:

Honestly, this is just insulting. I sell to buy orders all the time and I know full well that I’m losing money in the long run. It is a matter of convenience for me. I can match the lowest seller or undercut him to try to get a bit more money, but there are two problems with it: 1) What if I want my money now, to use it? Now I have to wait for someone to buy. 2) What if some TP flipping guy or just another seller undercuts me? Guess what, now I have to wait for his stuff to sell before mine gets sold. Or I have to go watch the dang TP and relist my stuff to make sure it gets sold.

Undercutting is a headache for those of us who just want to sell our crap quickly and having it default to match lowest seller is not going to change my habits. It’s just going to give me more clicks. Furthermore, the more people you have matching lowest seller and/or undercutting each other, the more of a headache it will be for everyone trying to sell their crap at all.

If you are someone who tries to profit off of the TP, you should want people to sell to buy orders! They are playing right into your hands.

Edit: I mean, heck, you could make your same argument that people should be encouraged to place buy orders rather than directly buy what’s being sold (after all, it is more profitable), but if you put both that and match lowest seller together, you get a crowd of people who never actually exchange goods.

This is where I’m at, too – I understand full well how the TP works, but I’m here because I want to spend as much of my time as possible playing the game, not playing the economy.

This… Caused me to swear briefly. I wasn’t paying attention and sold stuff expecting the default to lowest sell listing. Maybe we should have a customizable default view? I guess more work. My vote is for highest sell listing.

+1 for a toggle option to set the default behaviour

for me this change means an extra mouse click for every single sale. heck if there was a “sell all at market rate” button i’d be even happier…

Filaha.1678:

Because that’s what the default was prior to the feature pack and they’re maintaining the status quo?

Behellagh.1468:

First it was this way on the old TP.

The default has always been to lowest sell price for me. Maybe it remembered each player’s preference. Maybe I’m remembering it wrong, but the exact movement is so ingrained into my muscle memory that it seems unlikely.

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

anzenketh.3759:

I think that default sell to highest buyer should actually be default to lowest seller. People will complain yes. But they don’t understand that doing that will actually net them the least coin. The game should not encourage play that is the least beneficial to the player.

Now default buy to highest buyer. That is a problem. Some orders will get fulfilled instantly others may take a while. This can lead to confusion with some players on why they did not get their item.

Y’all do realize that buy orders and sell orders can only exist because other players sell instantly/buy instantly? If all players placed orders, nobody would ever buy/sell ANYTHING.

Some players want to maximize on net profit, others want to maximize on time. Both are valid.

Hence ANet should not make the decision for or against either of those – like I said – just remember the mode I used in my last transaction and I’ll happily always sell instantly/buy instantly/sell order/buy order most of the time.

and then these instant sell people go on and complain how poor and broke they are all the time.

Malediktus.9250:

and then these instant sell people go on and complain how poor and broke they are all the time.

Thanks for putting me into a ridiculous stereotype. I’m pretty poor right now because I made a conscious decision to not hoard my gold obsessively – it was affecting my enjoyment of the game.

Labjax.2465:

I agree that options would be a great way to satisfy both groups here.

I think that default sell to highest buyer should actually be default to lowest seller. People will complain yes. But they don’t understand that doing that will actually net them the least coin. The game should not encourage play that is the least beneficial to the player.

Now default buy to highest buyer. That is a problem. Some orders will get fulfilled instantly others may take a while. This can lead to confusion with some players on why they did not get their item.

Honestly, this is just insulting. I sell to buy orders all the time and I know full well that I’m losing money in the long run. It is a matter of convenience for me. I can match the lowest seller or undercut him to try to get a bit more money, but there are two problems with it: 1) What if I want my money now, to use it? Now I have to wait for someone to buy. 2) What if some TP flipping guy or just another seller undercuts me? Guess what, now I have to wait for his stuff to sell before mine gets sold. Or I have to go watch the dang TP and relist my stuff to make sure it gets sold.

Undercutting is a headache for those of us who just want to sell our crap quickly and having it default to match lowest seller is not going to change my habits. It’s just going to give me more clicks. Furthermore, the more people you have matching lowest seller and/or undercutting each other, the more of a headache it will be for everyone trying to sell their crap at all.

If you are someone who tries to profit off of the TP, you should want people to sell to buy orders! They are playing right into your hands.

Edit: I mean, heck, you could make your same argument that people should be encouraged to place buy orders rather than directly buy what’s being sold (after all, it is more profitable), but if you put both that and match lowest seller together, you get a crowd of people who never actually exchange goods.

I know there are players that make the decision on a informed level. If so more power to them. However I feel that most don’t.

This change is a good sign the devs are actually listening. Options are more work than a hard change, but despite my usual cynicism I’m confident we’ll see some form of options for the TP to tailor the experience—the favorite buzzword of the moment—for each user. It’s really the only way to satisfy the vast majority of people in one pass.

As always, OPTIONS ARE KING.

Btw, I don’t like this change. I prefer to undercut sell, not sell immediately to low buyer. More work for me, but still…at least there’s still motion with the TP development.

I’m surprised that they can’t code it so it remembers the last usage as the default.

I have to say, all the changes are to benefit the casual seller so this change is not surprising (not that I like it).