Guild Wars 2

The RNG is a well known problem but the people above are making a good point. There should be an option to obtain precursor trough series of quests and battles. Maybe with some lore as well regarding each legendary.

The RNG is a get rich quick for people with luck. I throw the occasional 4 weapons into the forge. If I get a precursor, guess what? I’m selling it. This a chance I take, one that is very little cost, about the equivalent of buying a scratch ticket and hoping for the best.

If you have the funds for (or the mats to craft) 1600 greatswords to throw away in one giant gamble of whats a fortune in this game when you could have just bought it, even if you needed a bit more funds, its your own fault. You wanted a shortcut, it failed.

MrRuin.9740:

The RNG is a get rich quick for people with luck. I throw the occasional 4 weapons into the forge. If I get a precursor, guess what? I’m selling it. This a chance I take, one that is very little cost, about the equivalent of buying a scratch ticket and hoping for the best.

If you have the funds for (or the mats to craft) 1600 greatswords to throw away in one giant gamble of whats a fortune in this game when you could have just bought it, even if you needed a bit more funds, its your own fault. You wanted a shortcut, it failed.

Baaaaaaaaaaasically this.

fuji.6283:

….and not a single precursor. It has been a very long and tedious road Arenet, but this is probably the end of the line for me.

Out of curiosity, how many non-precursor exotics did you get? (if you kept note)

haha that’s what you get by wasting money on mystic toilet. it earned this title for a reason. The only thing i do with it is combine greens for rares, that’s the only use for this garbage

CryxTryx.9208:

uberkingkong.8041:

Troop.1369:

MauricioCezar.2673:

Its RNG, what did you expect?

You had just spend 400G betting in your luck. Almost a precursor, so… you are doing things wrong. Soon A-net will introduce a form to craft precursors, so… stop wasting Gold guy.

After what the OP posted, you’re still gonna defend Arena.Net???

The guy wants his legendary weapon. Apparently that in this game, going on an epic adventure to build your legendary weapon = standing in front of the mystic forge and dumping items.

kittening Legendary.

+1
I’d rather go through a raid and do something epic rather than stand in front of the mystic toilet.

Oh really? Please describe in detail a ‘raid’ that could be done that would justify the reward of a precursor and still be difficult enough too keep Legendaries rare.

Do you want the Legendary status gated by behind skill? I’m all for it! I’ll bet you 300g that the community sets this board on fire should that happen.

A fight against all six gods and Abbadon as well, all at once. It would take your entire guild 18 hours to try. The fight contains over 900 different 1HKO attacks which each gives you about 0.2 seconds to perform the right action to dodge it (one of which involves typing the entire alphabet if every 4th letter was swapped with every 3rd, twice, this gives you a generous 10 seconds to do however), and point precise positioning of the bosses (GW2 has a tanking class right?).

There will be news articles the next day after the patch about how GW2 caused players to vomit, become physically sick and/or die from doing this raid over and over again, but hey, then we got a hard enough fight to get precursors.

Cookies if you got what the 18 hours was referencing.

This thread…

Guildwars 2 in a nut shell..

Banquetto.9521:

fuji.6283:

….and not a single precursor. It has been a very long and tedious road Arenet, but this is probably the end of the line for me.

Out of curiosity, how many non-precursor exotics did you get? (if you kept note)

somewhere in the 30s.

I’m sorry but ANET needs to review the definition of legendary and put a legendary path towards the weapons nto the game. The current implementation is simply amateur.

I look back at one of my early MMOs and what I had to do to get my water sprinkler for my cleric in EQ;

-Obtain Lord Bergurgle’s Crown from Lord Bergurgle (Lake Rathe)
-Give give Lord Bergurgle’s Crown to Shmendrik Lavawalker (Lake Rathe)
-Natasha Whitewater spawns and attacks Shmendrik Lavawalker (Lake Rathe)
-Spirit of Flame spawns upon Shmendrik’s death and attacks you (Lake Rathe)
-Loot Damaged Goblin Crown from Spirit of Flame (Lake Rathe)
-Give Damaged Crown to Natasha Whitewater (Lake Rathe)
-Receive Ornate Sea Shell (ID Ornate Sea Shell I) (Lake Rathe)
-Give Ornate Sea Shell (ID Ornate Sea Shell I) to Omat Vastsea (Timorous)
-Receive Coral Statue of Tarew (Timorous)
-Give Coral Statue of Tarew to A Seeker (Sol Ro Temple)
-Plasmatic Priest spawns and attacks (Sol Ro Temple)
-Loot Blood Soaked Plasmatic Priest Robe (Sol Ro Temple)
-Kill Lord Gimblox (Solusek’s Eye)
-Loot Lord Gimblox’s Signet Ring (Solusek’s Eye)
-Turn in Blood Soaked Plasmatic Priest Robe to Omat Vastsea (Timorous)
-Receive Orb of Frozen Water (Timorous)
-Natasha Whitewater spawns (Timorous)
-Turn in Lord Gimblox’s Signet Ring to Natasha Whitewater (Timorous)
-Receive Ornate Sea Shell (ID Ornate Sea Shell II) (Timorous)
-Turn in Ornate Sea Shell (ID Ornate Sea Shell II) to Naxot Deepwater (Burning Woods)
-Receive Message to Natasha (Burning Woods)
-Ixiblat Fer spawns and attacks (Burning Woods)
-Loot Sceptre of Ixiblat Fer (Burning Woods)
-Kill Overking Bathezed (Chardok)
-Loot Singed Scroll (Burning Woods)
-Turn in Sceptre of Ixiblat Fer and Singed Scroll to Omat Vastsea (Timorous)
-Receive Orb of Clear Water (Timorous)
-Natasha Whitewater spawns (Timorous)
-Give Message to Natasha to Natasha Whitewater (Timorous)
-Receive Shimmering Pearl (Timorous)
-Give Shimmering Pearl to Zordak Ragefire (Nagafen’s Lair)
-Receive Swirling Pearl and Zordak’s Box of Bindings (Nagafen’s Lair)
-Speak with Warder Cecilia (Skyfire)
-Loot four Pearlescent Fragments off random NPCs in Skyfire (Skyfire)
-Combine four Pearlescent Fragments inside Zordak’s Box of Bindings
-Receive combine result An Assembled Pearlescent Shard
-Give An Assembled Pearlescent Shard to Warder Cecilia (Skyfire)
-Receive Pearlescent Seal (Skyfire)
-Kill Zordak Ragefire (human), who spawns and attacks (Skyfire)
-Zordakalicus Ragefire (dragon) spawns and attacks upon death (Skyfire)
-Loot Impure Heart of Zordak Ragefire (Skyfire)
-Combine Swirling Pearl and Pearlescent Seal in Impure Heart of Zordak Ragefire
-Receive combine result Zordak Ragefire’s Heart
-Give Zordak Ragefire’s Heart to Omat Vastsea (Timorous)
-Receive Orb of Vapor (Timorous)
-Jhassad Oceanson spawns (Timorous)
-Give Orb of Water, Orb of Frozen Water, and Orb of Vapor to Jhassad Oceanson (Timorous)
-Receive Orb of the Triumvirate (Timorous)
-Avatar of Water spawns (Timorous)
-Give Orb of the Triumvirate to Avatar of Water (Timorous)
-Receive Water Sprinkler of Nem Ankh (Timorous)

It was long; it was a major adventure the moment you started; it often took many guildmates or people within a zone to help.. you fought goblin kings; dragons (ones that took some modicum of skill vice the stand on rock spam 1 type we fight now); had to swim through sunken temples and traverse the known world. You could work it at your own pace and the results gated and you could measure your progress. It felt like a truly epic journey.

I have said it in the past and I will say it again; They need to take a clue from fiction, whether literature or movies and create a path to your legendary.

Arthur did not throw 1000 longswords at some watery tart hoping she would throw back Excalibur.

Next time you go up to the Mystic Forge, just remember, no-one at Arenanet would look at the post by the OP and feel one ounce of remorse over their methods.

It sucks that you didn’t get a precursor but really… RNG is RNG. If you aren’t willing to lose on your gamble, then don’t take the gamble to begin with. It’s not ANets fault that people like you continue to GAMBLE in the forge when you are clearly not willing to ‘lose’ (not get what you want the RNG to give you) without quitting the game.

I know getting a precursor by any method is a real pain in the backside. I completely agree with people who say there need to be better ways of obtaining precursors. But if your choice is to gamble however much gold worth of rares that is (250-300 gold?) instead of continuing to save up a higher amount of gold and BUY a precursor, you need to realize that mystic forge for precursors is a gamble and that you just might not get what you want when you gamble.

Lol, this is so daft. 1600??? I would have given up after 50. Most people would have given up after a hundred or so. The persistent but logical ones would have given after 500. You would have probably thought that fate was trying to tell you something: you ain’t gonna get your precursor this way. Not that it’s the only way to get it anyway.

Best way to get your precursors is buying on auction house (unless you are extremely lucky). Expensive? Well, Anet wants you to spend money to buy gold.

Khai.6435:

Arthur did not throw 1000 longswords at some watery tart hoping she would throw back Excalibur.

+1 for this. I laughed.

1600 probably isn’t even the average amount required. You didn’t have bad RNG at all. If it only took 1600 then people who could afford that much would be printing money because the precursor sells for about 3x the cost of those 1600 rares, not to mention all the other exotics you get out of it.

Shifu.4321:

If you’re within 50-100g of buying it outright, then it should be a no brainer what the choice is.

Clearly he wasn’t. He just thought he was special and would get lucky spending only 1/4 of the sale price on mats.

fuji.6283:

….and not a single precursor. It has been a very long and tedious road Arenet, but this is probably the end of the line for me.

I know someone that got 3x Dusk in one week from the MF,and no im not kidding.

That wasnt smart of you in the first place. Each greatsword is what, 30 silver?? 1600 × 30 is 48000 silver or 480 gold. You should have stopped at 300 gold if you didnt get it yet. At that point, you should have waited until you had more money to just buy it.

Nothing says legendary like buying the item off the auction house or getting lucky.

Pfft.. skill, no need for such a thing in Guild Wars 2.

this game breeds gambleing adiction plain and simple i know guys who blow £150 a month on black lion keys and whatever other stinkin lotery system they have implemented at any given time it is not healthy it is preying on the weak minded fools who are stupid enough to start down that path in the first place the mystic forge is no dif you are a fool if you invest too much in it

If it makes you feel better I’ve lost 700 gold to the forge in 30 minutes before. Personally I like the thrill of gambling, and I’ve done it enough to not care whether I lose out or not, it’s cool nonetheless, since I have no use for gold anymore.

Also sometimes you get goodies, such as today I got the Legend

I’m sure you think that 1600 rares into the forge without a precursor is ridiculous, but it really isn’t. In the grand scheme of precursor gambling, 1600 rares counts as a small sample size.

Come back and complain when you’re up above 10,000 rares without a precursor.

fuji.6283:

Banquetto.9521:

Out of curiosity, how many non-precursor exotics did you get? (if you kept note)

somewhere in the 30s.

Holy crap, I thought it was reckoned to be about 20% returned a higher quality item?

Khai.6435:

It was long; it was a major adventure the moment you started; it often took many guildmates or people within a zone to help.. you fought goblin kings; dragons (ones that took some modicum of skill vice the stand on rock spam 1 type we fight now); had to swim through sunken temples and traverse the known world. You could work it at your own pace and the results gated and you could measure your progress. It felt like a truly epic journey.

I have said it in the past and I will say it again; They need to take a clue from fiction, whether literature or movies and create a path to your legendary.

Arthur did not throw 1000 longswords at some watery tart hoping she would throw back Excalibur.

This is what should have been implemented from the start in order to acquire a legendary. Many components, many events, many battles, many steps, and after a long journey, boom you get your item.

Also your last line made me lol.

If you made ectos of all those swords you could probably buy that precursor. Better to be safe than to cry about how foolish you were.

I gambled over 60 exotics and over 200 rares, No precursor (spark). I know this is no where near 1.6k rares (cost) but the day I said to my friends and guildies that I am going to quit gambling for my precursor and start saving is when I got The Colossus from a gilded coffer (the precursur for the Juggernaut, which sells only 50g less than spark) with a little more farming and help I managed to buy my spark instead and guess what… this all happened today! So the moral of my story is.. I was doing it all wrong at 1st, just play the game or save up and buy the precursor because you never know… your next mob kill could contain a precursor.

Banquetto.9521:

fuji.6283:

Banquetto.9521:

Out of curiosity, how many non-precursor exotics did you get? (if you kept note)

somewhere in the 30s.

Holy crap, I thought it was reckoned to be about 20% returned a higher quality item?

It is, but RNG is RNG.

Yesterday after a Frostgorge champ run, I threw just over 100 greens into the forge, and got back ONE yellow, which I salvaged and did not receive an ecto from. Sometimes you just have terrible luck.

MauricioCezar.2673:

Its RNG, what did you expect?

You had just spend 400G betting in your luck. Almost a precursor, so… you are doing things wrong. Soon A-net will introduce a form to craft precursors, so… stop wasting Gold guy.

As with real life gambling, you are likely to spend more putting in than getting out.

Working as intended. :P

I just want to know why OP kept trying. The first 500 didnt work, the second 500 didnt work and the THIRD set of 500 didnt work. Was there a little voice in your head telling you that you’ll get it eventually if you kept dumping gold into it? It doesn’t work like that when you’re gambling OP. Should have just quit after the first 500 and sucked up your losses. Now you’re even farther down the hole.

Some people lol

1) 1600 is not enough. It is nearly normal amount of tries. AFAIK 0.2% chance ~= 500 tries ~= 1500-2000 yellows.
2) Why do you think it should be less expensive?

O.o

Regardless of what you think about the Mystic Forge or the current state of how to obtain a precursor, the OP decided to gamble… and he lost. It sucks, but that’s typically what happens when you gamble.

Today’s lesson: don’t gamble. Don’t blame RNG when you specifically chose to rely or bet on RNG.

OP, I feel your pain, but it was your choice to make that many attempts and spend whatever you spent. No one should complain about feeling entitled to getting something that is pretty much luck. That is like going to Vegas and then complaining I spent so many $$$$ so now you need to make me win….

I throw the odd bits in there and maybe someday I will get lucky but absolutely not counting on it so if I do I will be one of the most gobsmacked persons ever. Not a gamebreaker for me, there are too many other things and events that keep my attention in the game.

I put in 1000g into the Mystic forge and got ’NOTHING"

:) I’m currently saving for a Ascended weapon & armor when they are released.
Over the whole “current” legendary weapons that everyone already has and is nothing special anymore… while i save i play for fun doing FOTM L48 dailies for the skins.. now there’s a reward that is WORTH going for and shows off your skill.. On my way to the1000 fractal runs achievement hehe

The mystic toilet is a horrible horrible thing.. but it works well as a gold sink for Anet and keeps the economy from accumulating too much gold.

At the end of the day what else is “everyone” going to blow the gold on if not new shinnies.

Hope Anet does create a new way to get a precurser though buying it off a Trading post “should NOT” be the way they wanted us to get it ? or is it?

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Vayne.8563:

Even I’m not happy with the way Anet handles precusors (and I both have a precusor and I’m a rabid fan boi…ask anyone lol).

It’s too random, too hard, too annoying. It’s not legendary. It’s luck. And yes you can farm gold and buy one, but that’s not particularly legendary either.

I think the way legendary weapons are acquired is one of the big problems with the game as it stands.

Anet had to make it where legendary weapons were super rare to get. Would you really want to see everyone shooting unicorns?

As long as Legendary Weapons are only as strong as the highest naturally obtainable gear (ascended weapons soon) then I have no problems.

I also don’t like that it is luck and I wish legendary weapons where obtainable through a scavenger hunt or something. I’m glad that soon precursors can be crafted.

1) Yes, they had to make it super rare to get.
2) It sucks how Legendary Weapons don’t have more power than regular weapons.
3) Implementation of #1 is really awful with the RNG component.

It’s posts like the OP’s that made my choice of not ever trying for a Legendary, at least, not via the Mystic Forge.

What an unjust and horrible, horrible experience.

Still RNG for precussors is a flawed design.

They said they gonna fix it.

But anything with RNG or long repetitive grinds is almost as bad.

Precurssor shouldnt be easy to get, I give you that, but it should be based on skill, even if it is a long chain of skill tests.

Lets see how it will work. I have a feeling next patch will surprise us, considering some post I saw about it*.

They didnt explain how it will be, but was clear we gonna get surprised by the end of this month *.

• * They gonna shut down the game lol.

Balkanwarrior.5132:

I just want to know why OP kept trying. The first 500 didnt work, the second 500 didnt work and the THIRD set of 500 didnt work. Was there a little voice in your head telling you that you’ll get it eventually if you kept dumping gold into it? It doesn’t work like that when you’re gambling OP. Should have just quit after the first 500 and sucked up your losses. Now you’re even farther down the hole.

Some people lol

Sunk cost fallacy

If he throws 500 in and then stops.. those 500 were wasted. Whereas if you keep going, those 500 were an investment, you’re making progress..

Yeah, of course it doesn’t work that way. It doesn’t matter if you’ve burned 1600 rares already, the next four are just as likely to pop out your precursor as the first four or any other four.

But it’s very difficult to make the decision to stop and “abandon” the money you’ve already lost.

It sucks, I feel for you. Having myself two legendaries, I was pretty ‘lucky’ since I bought Dawn mid December (it was ‘only’ 300g) and later I made Kraitkin (Venom being 25g).

I am stuck now with The Bifrost being one of the most expensive precursors (600g).

This whole legendary stuff needs an overhaul. Like someone said: throwing stuff into the Mystic Forge isn’t really legendary. Legendary items should start a quest which challenges you for epic and kitten hard battles (like Liadri). This should never ever be an RNG-Fest. It’s boring and stupid and is very disencouraging especially with cases like this.

I also hope they will introduce a quest with lore behind it. Every legendary weapon should be really legendary, they should get some special abilities like opening a portal to your home instance or something alike. There must be a bit more incentive to create a legendary (and make stats a free choice not only PVT!!!).

With that gold you could have bought almost any precursor. I don’t see any problem, you took a risk and lost.

While I feel for the OP, I feel it is important to point something out.

Getting a Precursor by any means other than buying on the TP is not a goal that anyone should set. It really is about as silly as setting a personal goal of “winning the lottery”. No matter what you do, you cannot meaningfully impact your ability to attain this “goal”, and setting unrealistic goals will quickly lead to heartbreak, depression, and anger.

Love how the thread was moved to a forum where it won’t be seen.

^^ Probably because there isn’t anything here worth seeing … we’ve heard it before.

Pro tip: If you would have sold those rares, bought exotics and dumped in the forge, you probably would have better chances to get precursor.

Really easy fix here. Either Anet creates an alternate route for obtaining a precursor that rewards dedication and effort or they create a token system where each eligible toss in the forge outputs a precursor token. Arbitrarily huge number of tokens and you get your weapon of choice.

Either way, the only legit way to work towards getting one is forging. There is no other way to obtain the content yourself. Unless you see buying something off the TP as something they should list on the steps for making your legendary weapon?

That’s just silly to grind gold, flush.. grind-flush. I was never hoping for any precursor, never use mf to mix rare/exo for this point. I’m enjoing GW2 in all aspect mostly wvw, so last night I got drop from Miller`s sound invider leaf of kudzu. Just enjoy the game, don’t be a sad kitten.

You’d have more luck if you did 1600 Exotic Greatswords. But by then, it would have been cheaper to sell them, and buy a Precursor off of the TP.

You could make a rule for yourself to put in 4 rares into the mystic forge each day. The loss won’t be huge and you will have a chance to get a precursor.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

You’d have more luck if you did 1600 Exotic Greatswords. But by then, it would have been cheaper to sell them, and buy a Precursor off of the TP.

Mate, it should be enough gold to buy some legendaries.

The forge has no diminished returns.

It seems to me that a precurser’s odds are about 1/100 lvl 80 exotics. I know Anet hasn’t released this info, but i’ve talked with others that have forged them, and I’ve gotton 2 precursers now from the forge. This is a ratio that i think is really close to accurate.

With 1600 rare gs, that’s 400 attempts, which there’s about a 1/5 chance to upgrade an item in mf. So he probably got around 80 exotics. Which is a pretty good chance at a precurser, but it’s still just a chance.

The SAB skins were a 1/50 chance, yet it took me about 160 chests before i got my 1st, but then i got another at 180 chest, and my luck got alot better after my streak of bad luck was over. My point is even if he did another 1600 there is no gaurentee.

It’s a gamble, and the precurser prices are so high because they are so rare. Only gamble with what you can afford to loose, don’t throw all you got at the forge expecting something, because most likely you will be dissapointed.

Mmmk so I’ve probably spent around 3k gold in the forge. 15 precursors later heres what i can tell you.

Diminished returns can seem likely when you hit a rough patch. I’ve done 6-700g worth with nothing, but just 3 nights ago i popped 3 dawns in a 3-4 hour span. No diminished returns, this is just how the RNG works.

As far as anything being guaranteed, I really don’t think we can say that there is a guarantee. I am pretty sure that dumping 3k rares into the forge could very well net you with nothing. At the end of the day, the RNG is so bad and the numbers are so low that you are never guaranteed. I’ve gone from 800g, to 0g back to 400g, then to 900g, then to 150g and then to 1200g. All this obtained without hitting astronomical numbers like 1600 greatswords.

People in this thread have stated, your chances to get a pre are the same on your first try as they are on your 100th try. It literally comes down to luck. The only trend I’ve noticed was getting named exotics. Go dump 100g in the forge and count the named exotics you get. The more you get, the higher the chance to get a pre on your next batch of 50 staves. Of course, thats just my observation so it could mean fk all to everybody else. Again, it’s all luck and even my small sample size of 15 won’t do much in helping others.

Balkanwarrior.5132:

Mmmk so I’ve probably spent around 3k gold in the forge. 15 precursors later heres what i can tell you.

Diminished returns can seem likely when you hit a rough patch. I’ve done 6-700g worth with nothing, but just 3 nights ago i popped 3 dawns in a 3-4 hour span. No diminished returns, this is just how the RNG works.

As far as anything being guaranteed, I really don’t think we can say that there is a guarantee. I am pretty sure that dumping 3k rares into the forge could very well net you with nothing. At the end of the day, the RNG is so bad and the numbers are so low that you are never guaranteed. I’ve gone from 800g, to 0g back to 400g, then to 900g, then to 150g and then to 1200g. All this obtained without hitting astronomical numbers like 1600 greatswords.

People in this thread have stated, your chances to get a pre are the same on your first try as they are on your 100th try. It literally comes down to luck. The only trend I’ve noticed was getting named exotics. Go dump 100g in the forge and count the named exotics you get. The more you get, the higher the chance to get a pre on your next batch of 50 staves. Of course, thats just my observation so it could mean fk all to everybody else. Again, it’s all luck and even my small sample size of 15 won’t do much in helping others.

With as much forging experiance as you have, can you please put a number on what you feel the odds are. I feel 1/100 lvl 80 exotics is pretty close to accurate. Do you feel like you have forged around 1500 exotics, give or take, obtaining those 15 precursers? I know sample sizes are small from the data i’m using, and through my own experiances, but i’d really love to hear #’s, even if your guesstimating.