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Story-wise, I’d vote for Ellen Kiel (and that’s what I’m gonna do, probably).
Bonus-wise, I’m indifferent. I neither need cheaper waypointing nor BL keys.
Fractal-wise, I’m more interested in the Reactor, so again, Ellen Kiel.

Seems like a done deal, right?

But then my boyfriend pointed out something this morning that I hadn’t considered. The Abaddon fractal might come with new models/textures while the Thaumanova story wouldn’t require them. But I would like to see new models and textures. It’s still speculation, of course.

Anyway, before you lot welcome me to the dark side: I’m still going to vote for Ellen; however, if Gnashblad wins, I’m going to have fun with the new content anyway. And PS: waiting for him to d evil things and eventually removing him from his position will be fun, too.

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

Story-wise, I’d vote for Ellen Kiel (and that’s what I’m gonna do, probably).
Bonus-wise, I’m indifferent. I neither need cheaper waypointing nor BL keys.
Fractal-wise, I’m more interested in the Reactor, so again, Ellen Kiel.

Seems like a done deal, right?

But then my boyfriend pointed out something this morning that I hadn’t considered. The Abaddon fractal might come with new models/textures while the Thaumanova story wouldn’t require them. But I would like to see new models and textures. It’s still speculation, of course.

Anyway, before you lot welcome me to the dark side: I’m still going to vote for Ellen; however, if Gnashblad wins, I’m going to have fun with the new content anyway. And PS: waiting for him to d evil things and eventually removing him from his position will be fun, too.

If you mean new models and textures for the gods themselves, I will be really disappointed.

As WoodenPotatoes (lore guy) pointed out in his video, no mortal can look at the gods without going blind, and that is what made them mysterious. You can’t look at them.

There was only one mortal who could see them and that was Malchor the Sculptor.

So, I’m torn between wanting this fractal or not. Battle with a god sounds fun, but remember that the fractals is a small thing that you repeat over, and over, and over again.

To battle with a god should be special, and not something you do over, and over, and over again that you don’t even want to do the fractal anymore.

This also leaves me wondering if ArenaNet remember things like these, that the gods can’t be seen, and that the fight was over the Crystal Seas, and that makes me wonder how the fractal will be done if you can’t see the gods.

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

Anyway, before you lot welcome me to the dark side: I’m still going to vote for Ellen; however, if Gnashblad wins, I’m going to have fun with the new content anyway. And PS: waiting for him to d evil things and eventually removing him from his position will be fun, too.

I like your way of thinking.

Farzo.8410:

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

Story-wise, I’d vote for Ellen Kiel (and that’s what I’m gonna do, probably).
Bonus-wise, I’m indifferent. I neither need cheaper waypointing nor BL keys.
Fractal-wise, I’m more interested in the Reactor, so again, Ellen Kiel.

Seems like a done deal, right?

But then my boyfriend pointed out something this morning that I hadn’t considered. The Abaddon fractal might come with new models/textures while the Thaumanova story wouldn’t require them. But I would like to see new models and textures. It’s still speculation, of course.

Anyway, before you lot welcome me to the dark side: I’m still going to vote for Ellen; however, if Gnashblad wins, I’m going to have fun with the new content anyway. And PS: waiting for him to d evil things and eventually removing him from his position will be fun, too.

If you mean new models and textures for the gods themselves, I will be really disappointed.

As WoodenPotatoes (lore guy) pointed out in his video, no mortal can look at the gods without going blind, and that is what made them mysterious. You can’t look at them.

There was only one mortal who could see them and that was Malchor the Sculptor.

So, I’m torn between wanting this fractal or not. Battle with a god sounds fun, but remember that the fractals is a small thing that you repeat over, and over, and over again.

To battle with a god should be special, and not something you do over, and over, and over again that you don’t even want to do the fractal anymore.

This also leaves me wondering if ArenaNet remember things like these, that the gods can’t be seen, and that the fight was over the Crystal Seas, and that makes me wonder how the fractal will be done if you can’t see the gods.

Gods can’t be seen by mortals without them becoming blind, I agree.
However, the Mists are able to recreate the past events ( altered or not) but technically we wouldn’t be physically in presence with the Gods. They would be creations of the Mists and not the Gods themselves which mean our PCs wouldn’t become blind (furthermore because they would be impersonating characters in presence with the Gods/ the god themselves, but they won’t be in presence with them)

The PC of Nightfall also gazed upon Kormir. And, unless Melandru visited them with an avatar, the Quaggans gazed upon Melandru.

But, yes, I agree that we wouldn’t be seeing the Gods, we would either be fighting with or against Margonites (which would still be human Margonites) since this was before Abbadon had been imprisoned in the Realm of Torment. In fact, the options of how the Fall of Abbadon is going to occur is very limited. We can be Margonites fighting to destroy the temples of the other gods. We can be champions of the other gods fighting against the Margonites and possibly ending with us fighting Jadoth. There are a lot of possibilities for the specifics, but the story is already known.

With the Thaumanova Reactor, it was an experiment by the Inquest. This opens up a lot of possibilities. Not only that, but there is rumor of Destroyers being there (as stated in Rata Sum. Some say it was caused by Inquest, others say there were Destroyers there, but since the experiment was being held BY the Inquest, there’s no saying who’s right or wrong). It could be you play as Kudu’s pawns and try to prevent the Reactor from exploding as experiment after experiment go wrong, ultimately fighting some sort of Megadestroyer or empowered Inquest. (It would be interesting to fight an Inquest infused with dragon energy to the extent of becoming a dragon champion.)

Also, the lore of the Thaumanova Reactor isn’t just limited to Asura. Steam creatures in the Shiverpeaks? That’s due in part to the Reactor explosion (and, in other parts, due to the Asura PC with a specific storyline). And in another part of the world, Ascalon has a jumping puzzle that is, in it’s entirety, an extension of the Reactor Fallout. Who knows, we might be fighting creatures from another universe in that fractal if it’s before/as/after the fallout.

to tell the truth i hope in a future living story episode if gnash wins he does do something bad and we have to get evidence to remove him. it would make this more of a story. i still want to have a bit more about the molten alliance. it almost like they completely disappeared now. i know the stories are related but having stufkittend of drop of the face of tyria isnt good so id appreciate if brought them back from time to time to continue on

Farzo.8410:

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

Story-wise, I’d vote for Ellen Kiel (and that’s what I’m gonna do, probably).
Bonus-wise, I’m indifferent. I neither need cheaper waypointing nor BL keys.
Fractal-wise, I’m more interested in the Reactor, so again, Ellen Kiel.

Seems like a done deal, right?

But then my boyfriend pointed out something this morning that I hadn’t considered. The Abaddon fractal might come with new models/textures while the Thaumanova story wouldn’t require them. But I would like to see new models and textures. It’s still speculation, of course.

Anyway, before you lot welcome me to the dark side: I’m still going to vote for Ellen; however, if Gnashblad wins, I’m going to have fun with the new content anyway. And PS: waiting for him to d evil things and eventually removing him from his position will be fun, too.

If you mean new models and textures for the gods themselves, I will be really disappointed.

As WoodenPotatoes (lore guy) pointed out in his video, no mortal can look at the gods without going blind, and that is what made them mysterious. You can’t look at them.

There was only one mortal who could see them and that was Malchor the Sculptor.

So, I’m torn between wanting this fractal or not. Battle with a god sounds fun, but remember that the fractals is a small thing that you repeat over, and over, and over again.

To battle with a god should be special, and not something you do over, and over, and over again that you don’t even want to do the fractal anymore.

This also leaves me wondering if ArenaNet remember things like these, that the gods can’t be seen, and that the fight was over the Crystal Seas, and that makes me wonder how the fractal will be done if you can’t see the gods.

There are of course the avatars, this might be a solution.

And also:
“It was here that Abaddon and his Margonites challenged the power of the Five True Gods, and here that the other gods smote the God of Secrets down, imprisoning him and his following in a Realm of Torment.”

Margonites….

Farzo.8410:

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

Story-wise, I’d vote for Ellen Kiel (and that’s what I’m gonna do, probably).
Bonus-wise, I’m indifferent. I neither need cheaper waypointing nor BL keys.
Fractal-wise, I’m more interested in the Reactor, so again, Ellen Kiel.

Seems like a done deal, right?

But then my boyfriend pointed out something this morning that I hadn’t considered. The Abaddon fractal might come with new models/textures while the Thaumanova story wouldn’t require them. But I would like to see new models and textures. It’s still speculation, of course.

Anyway, before you lot welcome me to the dark side: I’m still going to vote for Ellen; however, if Gnashblad wins, I’m going to have fun with the new content anyway. And PS: waiting for him to d evil things and eventually removing him from his position will be fun, too.

If you mean new models and textures for the gods themselves, I will be really disappointed.

As WoodenPotatoes (lore guy) pointed out in his video, no mortal can look at the gods without going blind, and that is what made them mysterious. You can’t look at them.

There was only one mortal who could see them and that was Malchor the Sculptor.

So, I’m torn between wanting this fractal or not. Battle with a god sounds fun, but remember that the fractals is a small thing that you repeat over, and over, and over again.

To battle with a god should be special, and not something you do over, and over, and over again that you don’t even want to do the fractal anymore.

This also leaves me wondering if ArenaNet remember things like these, that the gods can’t be seen, and that the fight was over the Crystal Seas, and that makes me wonder how the fractal will be done if you can’t see the gods.

So you are throwing away what may be your only chance to witness battle the gods because it is repeatable. Why don’t you just do it once and never do fractals again. There problem solved.

Maybe they cant be seen from a first person perspective but we see the world through a third person perspective so we should be fine. maybe they only couldn’t be seen when they first appeared cause they didn’t want gawking believers following them everywhere. Your points are nulled cause you never got to meet the gods in GW1 for confirmation of rummer of what other npcs said.

The Gods could not be seen. But some things to keep in mind:

• We play the game in a third person perspective. We shouldn’t assume that our characters can see and know everything we see and know.

• It’s not known exactly how or why Malchor could safely look at the Gods. They may have allowed him to see them. A lot like the Mursaat were the “unseen ones” to most of Tyria in GW1. If that’s the case, it’s reasonable to assume that if our characters see the Gods, that they allowed it.

• The Gods regularly appeared to humans through Avatars. The Dervish could even become Avatars of the gods. We could be seeing the Gods in their Avatar forms in the Fractal, or even be playing as their servants ourselves (like the Ascalon Fractal turns us into Charr).

• Exceptions exist that allow characters to safely look on the Gods (just think of them as “the chosen ones”). Players in GW1 could fight Abaddon without going blind. They could also fight Dhuum, who was the God of death before Grenth overthrew him.

There are plenty of ways ANet could throw the Gods into Fractals and have it make sense. Well…as much sense as players being transported into an ever repeating, isolated point in time during a divine civil war that they can interact with and survive but not permanently affect can make.

Esplen.3940:

Also, the lore of the Thaumanova Reactor isn’t just limited to Asura. Steam creatures in the Shiverpeaks? That’s due in part to the Reactor explosion (and, in other parts, due to the Asura PC with a specific storyline). And in another part of the world, Ascalon has a jumping puzzle that is, in it’s entirety, an extension of the Reactor Fallout. Who knows, we might be fighting creatures from another universe in that fractal if it’s before/as/after the fallout.

Which JP are you talking about?

If you mean new models and textures for the gods themselves, I will be really disappointed.

As WoodenPotatoes (lore guy) pointed out in his video, no mortal can look at the gods without going blind, and that is what made them mysterious. You can’t look at them.

There was only one mortal who could see them and that was Malchor the Sculptor.

So, I’m torn between wanting this fractal or not. Battle with a god sounds fun, but remember that the fractals is a small thing that you repeat over, and over, and over again.

To battle with a god should be special, and not something you do over, and over, and over again that you don’t even want to do the fractal anymore.

This also leaves me wondering if ArenaNet remember things like these, that the gods can’t be seen, and that the fight was over the Crystal Seas, and that makes me wonder how the fractal will be done if you can’t see the gods.[/quote]

it’s just my opinion but i think you are thinking about it too hard. Fractals aren’t happening over and over. We are merely replaying history. We are reliving a singular event in history and can do so because Asura technology allows for it.

They are both two sides of the same coin, vote independent!

Esplen.3940:

Also, the lore of the Thaumanova Reactor isn’t just limited to Asura. Steam creatures in the Shiverpeaks? That’s due in part to the Reactor explosion (and, in other parts, due to the Asura PC with a specific storyline). And in another part of the world, Ascalon has a jumping puzzle that is, in it’s entirety, an extension of the Reactor Fallout. Who knows, we might be fighting creatures from another universe in that fractal if it’s before/as/after the fallout.

Steam creatures are our own creations sent from the future and crystals for reactor were mined in Ascalon, that’s why the area of jumping puzzle is corrupted. It looks like the lore of reactor really is limited only to Asura, unless something drastic happens.

it’s just my opinion but i think you are thinking about it too hard. Fractals aren’t happening over and over. We are merely replaying history. We are reliving a singular event in history and can do so because Asura technology allows for it.

No, I’m not overthinking, I know fractals are just shards of the past, that we can see.

Still, to be there, to see a battle against a god, should be a rare sight, nothing they throw in that can be repeated over, and over again.

aspirine.6852:

There are of course the avatars, this might be a solution

They are having a battle against each other, why should they send avatars to battle for them?

Fafnir.5124:

Maybe they cant be seen from a first person perspective but we see the world through a third person perspective so we should be fine. maybe they only couldn’t be seen when they first appeared cause they didn’t want gawking believers following them everywhere. Your points are nulled cause you never got to meet the gods in GW1 for confirmation of rummer of what other npcs said.

So I guess your point is so much better because your forum posts says so?

There are scripts written on stones in the gods favour, on scrolls, in books, that says that mortals could not see the gods except only one, and that is Malchor, who built the statues.

I take written lore over your forum post saying that my points are nulled.

I suggest -everyone- to watch WoodenPotatoes video about this, so you actually know what you are talking about.

aspirine.6852:

Farzo.8410:

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

Story-wise, I’d vote for Ellen Kiel (and that’s what I’m gonna do, probably).
Bonus-wise, I’m indifferent. I neither need cheaper waypointing nor BL keys.
Fractal-wise, I’m more interested in the Reactor, so again, Ellen Kiel.

Seems like a done deal, right?

But then my boyfriend pointed out something this morning that I hadn’t considered. The Abaddon fractal might come with new models/textures while the Thaumanova story wouldn’t require them. But I would like to see new models and textures. It’s still speculation, of course.

Anyway, before you lot welcome me to the dark side: I’m still going to vote for Ellen; however, if Gnashblad wins, I’m going to have fun with the new content anyway. And PS: waiting for him to d evil things and eventually removing him from his position will be fun, too.

If you mean new models and textures for the gods themselves, I will be really disappointed.

As WoodenPotatoes (lore guy) pointed out in his video, no mortal can look at the gods without going blind, and that is what made them mysterious. You can’t look at them.

There was only one mortal who could see them and that was Malchor the Sculptor.

So, I’m torn between wanting this fractal or not. Battle with a god sounds fun, but remember that the fractals is a small thing that you repeat over, and over, and over again.

To battle with a god should be special, and not something you do over, and over, and over again that you don’t even want to do the fractal anymore.

This also leaves me wondering if ArenaNet remember things like these, that the gods can’t be seen, and that the fight was over the Crystal Seas, and that makes me wonder how the fractal will be done if you can’t see the gods.

There are of course the avatars, this might be a solution.

And also:
“It was here that Abaddon and his Margonites challenged the power of the Five True Gods, and here that the other gods smote the God of Secrets down, imprisoning him and his following in a Realm of Torment.”

Margonites….

Margonites which were just seafaring humans at the time. They didn’t turn into demonic beings until they were imprisoned in the Realm of Torment, where Abbadon’s magic seeped into them.

I’d rather see Kiel win, I mean c’mon… CHAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOSSSSSSS!! That and I have no idea what went down there, but my god do I want to know!!

I’m not voting. It’s a video game. I play games to get away from stupid things like politics.

I like the original posters attitude. While I’m voting for Evon due to preferring all his bonuses (yay for Southsun Survival and Abaddon!) I’m not going to be angry is Kiel wins. I would like to see Evon on the council due to a more interesting character than what I’ve felt Kiel has been, but that is personal preference and nothing more.

Plus my other reason is I’m tired of Asura stories and labs.

Frankly, I’m voting Kiel because that’s where most of my characters would vote (and I’m not sure the ones that wouldn’t care enough about LA politics to bother at all).

On the Abaddon fractal – I can definitely see that prompting new models. Margonites probably weren’t demonic at that point, and we may or may not get to see the gods in action, but other things we might see are forgotten, Orrian fashions from the time the gods were still around, and so on. Certainly, of the two, the FoA seems the one most likely to push ArenaNet to make new models – and making those new models might in turn push them to create new content in that direction that make further use of those models.

Thaumanova Reactor
*Chaos energy in the mists!
*Should affect things outside the fractal!
*Unlimited possibilities

Fall of Abaddon
*see a God in the past, in one dungeon, thats it.

Anet wants you to pick the EASY one to make.

Onshidesigns.1069:

Thaumanova Reactor
*Chaos energy in the mists!
*Should affect things outside the fractal!
*Unlimited possibilities

Fall of Abaddon
*see a God in the past, in one dungeon, thats it.

Anet wants you to pick the EASY one to make.

Really starting to get tired and annoyed at the sheer amount of Thaumanova Reactor propaganda (most of which is essentially the same as the quoted text above) that you seem to post everywhere and then use “It’s just suggestions for if the reactor wins” to justify your mass of posts that boil down to the same ideas, which you use as though they are hard fact.

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Avoid frivolous and duplicate postings.

Just vote for Evon. Voting for him will give the living story teams more ways to do surprising things. Kiel is too goody 2 shoes.

DeShadowWolf.6854:

Onshidesigns.1069:

Thaumanova Reactor
*Chaos energy in the mists!
*Should affect things outside the fractal!
*Unlimited possibilities

Fall of Abaddon
*see a God in the past, in one dungeon, thats it.

Anet wants you to pick the EASY one to make.

Really starting to get tired and annoyed at the sheer amount of Thaumanova Reactor propaganda (most of which is essentially the same as the quoted text above) that you seem to post everywhere and then use “It’s just suggestions for if the reactor wins” to justify your mass of posts that boil down to the same ideas, which you use as though they are hard fact.

Code of Conduct

Avoid frivolous and duplicate postings.

I’ve seen way too much Fall of Abaddon propaganda. Asking to see something people ALREADY KNOW!

^ Gotta agree with Onshi.

Esplen.3940:

aspirine.6852:

Farzo.8410:

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

Story-wise, I’d vote for Ellen Kiel (and that’s what I’m gonna do, probably).
Bonus-wise, I’m indifferent. I neither need cheaper waypointing nor BL keys.
Fractal-wise, I’m more interested in the Reactor, so again, Ellen Kiel.

Seems like a done deal, right?

But then my boyfriend pointed out something this morning that I hadn’t considered. The Abaddon fractal might come with new models/textures while the Thaumanova story wouldn’t require them. But I would like to see new models and textures. It’s still speculation, of course.

Anyway, before you lot welcome me to the dark side: I’m still going to vote for Ellen; however, if Gnashblad wins, I’m going to have fun with the new content anyway. And PS: waiting for him to d evil things and eventually removing him from his position will be fun, too.

If you mean new models and textures for the gods themselves, I will be really disappointed.

As WoodenPotatoes (lore guy) pointed out in his video, no mortal can look at the gods without going blind, and that is what made them mysterious. You can’t look at them.

There was only one mortal who could see them and that was Malchor the Sculptor.

So, I’m torn between wanting this fractal or not. Battle with a god sounds fun, but remember that the fractals is a small thing that you repeat over, and over, and over again.

To battle with a god should be special, and not something you do over, and over, and over again that you don’t even want to do the fractal anymore.

This also leaves me wondering if ArenaNet remember things like these, that the gods can’t be seen, and that the fight was over the Crystal Seas, and that makes me wonder how the fractal will be done if you can’t see the gods.

There are of course the avatars, this might be a solution.

And also:
“It was here that Abaddon and his Margonites challenged the power of the Five True Gods, and here that the other gods smote the God of Secrets down, imprisoning him and his following in a Realm of Torment.”

Margonites….

Margonites which were just seafaring humans at the time. They didn’t turn into demonic beings until they were imprisoned in the Realm of Torment, where Abbadon’s magic seeped into them.

They made prertty good foes, for me atleast.

This idea that no mortal can look upon the Gods or they will go blind…. isn’t that just a fairytale? Sounds just like a lot of mysticism to me. We have several documented cases of humans looking at the Gods. Of course, maybe us being Ascended had a hand in allowing us to get closer to the Gods without going blind… or it might just be a popular fable.

Thank you OP for stating something really important: Either fractal is probably going to be cool, so ultimately we should be happy about the system in general (letting players vote on dev priorities, something we always campaigned for in WoW) more than about who wins specifically.

Minos.3450:

Gods can’t be seen by mortals without them becoming blind, I agree.

shrug

So what? The next outgoing attack is going to miss. Not a big deal.

New plan:

1. Make Abaddon Fractal
2. Characters go in
3. See diety, go blind
4. Entire fractal has to be played in complete darkness
5. Development cost of new fractal: $15.99

Onshidesigns.1069:

DeShadowWolf.6854:

Onshidesigns.1069:

Thaumanova Reactor
*Chaos energy in the mists!
*Should affect things outside the fractal!
*Unlimited possibilities

Fall of Abaddon
*see a God in the past, in one dungeon, thats it.

Anet wants you to pick the EASY one to make.

Really starting to get tired and annoyed at the sheer amount of Thaumanova Reactor propaganda (most of which is essentially the same as the quoted text above) that you seem to post everywhere and then use “It’s just suggestions for if the reactor wins” to justify your mass of posts that boil down to the same ideas, which you use as though they are hard fact.

Code of Conduct

Avoid frivolous and duplicate postings.

I’ve seen way too much Fall of Abaddon propaganda. Asking to see something people ALREADY KNOW!

Sure, we knew that Abaddon lost, and got sealed inside Realm of Torment.

But do we actually know where the fight took place? Was it over the Crystal Seas, and perhaps, on an island that we don’t yet know of?

Dhuum was the god before Grenth. Was it Grenth, or Dhuum that was fighting against Abaddon?

It is said that Abaddon actually defeated one of them gods before he fell, which god was it?

What actually happend when he got defeated? Did the sea just vanish and become a desert? Did the Margonites disappear at the same time as him? How did they look like before they got turned into madness monsters in the Realm of Torment?

We know that Abaddon fell, but what other secrets are there that we don’t yet know of? What actually happend? Why did Abaddon want the world to have magic? Why did he want the world to have magic so much that he went to war against the other five gods?

And for Thaumanova Reactor?
*See an explosion, in the past, in one dungeon

Pixelpumpkin, that reminds me of the WoW April’s Fools about the entirely pitch-black dungeon.

And even then, we players speculated that in some way, such a dungeon would be highly interesting. Difficult to implement and play, sure. But also interesting in it’s perspective on things. On that note, Out Of Sight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qCbiCxBd2M