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From a lore stand point I would chose Evon over Kiel easily. He’s very wealthy and his connections can do a lot more for Lion’s Arch than Kiel’s go getter attitude ever could.

I’m voting for Evon more for the Molten Facility fractal.

Gabby.3205:

PLOT TWIST:
Peggellegg the “Pirate” wins (“Quaggan is a piwate! Yarr!”).
That’s why she was brought back to the game as a mini.

I won’t be mad if this happens…

Didn’t we help a Quaggan become a Pirate Captain in a meta event in a map? Timberland Falls IIRC? Being a Captain he has the rights…

At least he would have more charisma than Ellen “Bland” Kiel…

Okay, so Evon has more personality, yet however weak the GW2 staff made her, Keil is obviously the key character in living story, and thus, the one that the story will circle around regardless. That being said, I feel its best for her to win, for lets face it, Evon, isn’t that great of a guy, even among char who are well known for their despicable nature. Money+Power+Greed/ambition= … well, lionsarch wont be such a grand place in the future… though, that may certain be more interesting.

I love disrupting predictable story lines. Let Evon win for a change, and send Keil back to Southsun to deal with Karka.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

I love disrupting predictable story lines. Let Evon win for a change, and send Keil back to Southsun to deal with Karka.

In this regard, I feel there are two possibilities; one, the elections never occur, as we find out that Evon, being the rich shady guy with a motive, funded the Aetherblades, and thus is disqualified.. amongst the more legal consequences. This would have a dynamic effect on the game I feel, since absolutely everything relies on the trading post. Or perhaps he could win, and lead Lionsarch into a dictatorship regime; prices on WPs and merchandise skyrocket, the city falls into a state of disrepair and we see beggars on the streets. But fear not, for Keil will grow a pair, developing in a half-way-decent character, and return to liberate us; perhaps it would be just the push she needs for people to actually care about her.

locoman.1974:

skullmount.1758:

Where are people getting the idea of lower waypoints?

Basically some people datamined text from the DAT file that might be from the next update, some of the text mentioned the election and the promises of both candidates. The text said that basically Evon promised reduced prices on the BL keys and the use of the fractals technology to further investigate the motives behind the molten alliance (the molten facility dungeon), while Kiel was promising the reducing of the WP travel prices and the use of the fractals technology to gain further insight into the aetherblade pirates (aetherblade retreat). Also one of the items they found there was a vote coin that presumably will be used to cast your vote.

Of course, as a dev mentioned, just because it’s on the data files isn’t proof that it’ll be like that, it might be older content that either wasn’t developed further, or that has changed dramatically since it was written, but so far datamined contents have been mostly accurate.

That said, VOTE FOR KIEL!!!

Thanks. I figured it was datamined stuff, but was hoping to read it from the source.
kitten , I’d rather have the lower wp costs with the MF dungeon.

Maybe Lady Kasmeer Meade can make that happen?

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Keep in mind that the reduced waypoint cost might be so insignificant, that it doesn’t matter at all. While the MF dungeon on the other hand, has several ore nodes right at the start that can make you a lot of money if farmed repeatedly. Plus of course all the rare recipes and the awesome rocketpack back cover that you can find in there. Evon really has all our bests interests in mind.

Besides, you want these sort of matters handled by a real pirate, and not some uptown lady with zero trade experience.

Except that if they do it the way Colin said, they would be removing the rewards (so no jetpack/mini), which means the whole thing is moot. Also, weren’t the nodes once per day per account (like the new quartz)? So as much as I want MF back (cause I still want a jetpack), reduced WP costs are much more compelling, for me anyways. If the rewards stay the same for MF, then I’ll have a tough time choosing which I’d want.

Voting for Kiel, cause she looks kitten in that picture.

You know what would be great? a sPvP game pitting Kiel supporters vs Evon supporters. You could set it up as a riot in Lion’s Arch or something with various weapons.

Anet should put all kinds of fake off the wall stuff in their DAT files, just to mess with the data miners. Things like a new completely OP gear tier that will cause forum rage, only to find out it’s bull. Or pandas or quaggan genocide or a new currency or intentionally awful gear or mounts or account bound exotic gear boxes for free or…..i mean have a ball with it Anet.

I support Evon Gnashblade, because Molten Facility is AWESOME!

Come on, it’s a fast and relaxing dungeon. Do you seriously not want it back?

Aetherblade Retreat on the other hand… It’s too kitten long to be a fractal!

In my opinion, Kiel paid Aeatherblade to become one of the counciles.
That would be cool, isn’t?

Seras.5702:

Anet should put all kinds of fake off the wall stuff in their DAT files, just to mess with the data miners. Things like a new completely OP gear tier that will cause forum rage, only to find out it’s bull. Or pandas or quaggan genocide or a new currency or intentionally awful gear or mounts or account bound exotic gear boxes for free or…..i mean have a ball with it Anet.

References to MLP-themed flying mounts, and a new dungeon where you help Trehearne defeat Risen Tybalt, who became leader of the undead after Zhaitan’s death.

New info from MMORPG.com. Seems we will get to decide, and its not just the wp/MA/AR stuff. Something about minigames as well.
(Found in another thread in the main LS forum)

From the press letter they got-

Vote Suwash to be a council.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/An_Unlikely_Pirate

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Keep in mind that the reduced waypoint cost might be so insignificant, that it doesn’t matter at all. While the MF dungeon on the other hand, has several ore nodes right at the start that can make you a lot of money if farmed repeatedly. Plus of course all the rare recipes and the awesome rocketpack back cover that you can find in there. Evon really has all our bests interests in mind.

Besides, you want these sort of matters handled by a real pirate, and not some uptown lady with zero trade experience.

The rocket backpack at least ArenaNet have said will never be coming back, in order to retain its specialness for the people who got it during the event

Now, ArenaNet have said ‘never’ before and gone back on it, but as people have been saying that you shouldn’t vote assuming the waypoint discount will be significant, you also shouldn’t vote assuming that a particular dungeon will come back with the same rewards.

Where do you see this information? What they each stand for, what specific things we’ll be granted if each wins, the pictures, etc?

It was data-mined and appeared on reddit.

I’m not sure I like the changes to Kiel. Being the tough cop that gets it done works for her. Instead of twisting an existing character into a new mold they should’ve introduced someone else during Southsun that could run against Evon now, while keeping Kiel as the Lionguard lead for camos and lionguard-suitable story parts.

From all the living story parts so far I’m actually mostly interested where Braham’s story goes (not Rox though). I kinda like Mai too, hope she plays a further role.

Brutal Arts.6307:

One is a greedy bullcat responsible for disgusting RNG, the other is the second coming of Kormir.

I’ll vote for Kiel, the lesser of the two evils.

I love how we fight the karka, we take down Canache, we defeat the Aetherblades yet Keil gets the flying airship and goes into the running for the Captain’s Council.

Reminds me of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxmkAoLC6_4

I really wish that guy didn’t quit GW2 over the ascended gear debacle, his Trahearne video would have been hilarious.

Mia Lunarfang.5826:

That being said, I feel its best for her to win, for lets face it, Evon, isn’t that great of a guy, even among char who are well known for their despicable nature. Money+Power+Greed/ambition

I dont see the problem there, he seems right at home in the ruling council of a pirate town. More Captain Barbossa and less William Turner please.

Mastruq, I too would like to see what happens to Braham. After going back to the Cragstead recently I finally saw the conversation with him and Ottilia. Wow that was rather harsh of her, he should go adventuring to forget about her.

I don’t really care who would win as long as the aetherblade dungeon won’t end up in a fractal rotation.

Hopefully they change it to +rare drops from boxes/bags. Or a lower selling fee.

Guys, remember, this is politics, so the promises are almost never kept literally

Definetly voting for Evon
Kiel may be nice cause of the reduced waypoint cost, but then again the cost as it is never really bothered me and i hate the aetherblade dungeon.
Then again Evon promises reduced costs for keys, which i don’t care about either, but at least he promises a better dungeon for the mists
It’s weird though that we get to decide. Lions Arch isn’t exactly democratical. The new book clearly states that to be a council member you
- need to be a captain
- have to pay a certain amount of money to the council
- be accepted by the council
Evon has money, Kiel is a captain, but neither have what it takes to become a member
Anyway that’s just me overanalyzing stuff based on the book

I’ll vote for whoever gets me to Cantha fastest. Might be Kiel since she has flying ships. Give me Cantha >.<

Just remember that a vote for Evon is a vote for support for RNG gem boxes. >.<

Vote Kiel!

Crashday.1792:

Definetly voting for Evon
Kiel may be nice cause of the reduced waypoint cost, but then again the cost as it is never really bothered me and i hate the aetherblade dungeon.
Then again Evon promises reduced costs for keys, which i don’t care about either, but at least he promises a better dungeon for the mists
It’s weird though that we get to decide. Lions Arch isn’t exactly democratical. The new book clearly states that to be a council member you
- need to be a captain
- have to pay a certain amount of money to the council
- be accepted by the council
Evon has money, Kiel is a captain, but neither have what it takes to become a member
Anyway that’s just me overanalyzing stuff based on the book

Where do you read that Keil will reduce waypoint costs?

notebene.3190:

Crashday.1792:

Definetly voting for Evon
Kiel may be nice cause of the reduced waypoint cost, but then again the cost as it is never really bothered me and i hate the aetherblade dungeon.
Then again Evon promises reduced costs for keys, which i don’t care about either, but at least he promises a better dungeon for the mists
It’s weird though that we get to decide. Lions Arch isn’t exactly democratical. The new book clearly states that to be a council member you
- need to be a captain
- have to pay a certain amount of money to the council
- be accepted by the council
Evon has money, Kiel is a captain, but neither have what it takes to become a member
Anyway that’s just me overanalyzing stuff based on the book

Where do you read that Keil will reduce waypoint costs?

Pulled from the .dat file by enterprising techie players.

Oh, ok thanks SC.

let’s fight it out in WvW!
The guild that claims SM can pick who they are backing, and every tick counts for one vote!

i vote team Edward

oh wait…

Crashday.1792:

Definetly voting for Evon
Kiel may be nice cause of the reduced waypoint cost, but then again the cost as it is never really bothered me and i hate the aetherblade dungeon.
Then again Evon promises reduced costs for keys, which i don’t care about either, but at least he promises a better dungeon for the mists
It’s weird though that we get to decide. Lions Arch isn’t exactly democratical. The new book clearly states that to be a council member you
- need to be a captain
- have to pay a certain amount of money to the council
- be accepted by the council
Evon has money, Kiel is a captain, but neither have what it takes to become a member
Anyway that’s just me overanalyzing stuff based on the book

Well Evon could easily buy a ship and be a captain, he probably already has considering he runs a huge trading business.
I’m not too sure about Kiel or about how much money is needed, but maybe she took a lot of nice stuff from AR with her:p

Anyway, Evon seems to have the right character for this, and I missed flame and frost, so I’d love to try his dungeon, so I’m definitely an Evon supporter
I am curious though, how much are waypoint costs reduced by?

That vote Kiel vs Gnashblade is essentially going to be a vote on whether the players value story over gameplay.
If you have followed the storyline and are interested in it, there is no way you could possibly endorse Evon Gnashblade in any way (the terms ‘ludonarrative dissonance’ keep revolving in my mind).
However, as is appearant form this thread, many people seem to care more for the impact their decision is going to have for their gameplay than for how much sense it makes in light of the development of the fictional universe they are moving in.
In my eyes, if Evon Gnashblade wins this election, then the living story and the living world have failed.

EDIT: That is of course, unless they give us a very strong reason not to vote for Ellen Kiel in the coming days, which I doubt.

CorneliusCoffin.3169:

That vote Kiel vs Gnashblade is essentially going to be a vote on whether the players value story over gameplay.
If you have followed the storyline and are interested in it, there is no way you could possibly endorse Evon Gnashblade in any way (the terms ‘ludonarrative dissonance’ keep revolving in my mind).
However, as is appearant form this thread, many people seem to care more for the impact their decision is going to have for their gameplay than for how much sense it makes in light of the development of the fictional universe they are moving in.
In my eyes, if Evon Gnashblade wins this election, then the living story and the living world have failed.

That’s simply not true. I’m a huge lore fan in GW2 and in games in general and I have followed thoroughly the whole living story up to now. Yet, I’m going to vote for Evon for several reasons, none of them related to gameplay.
First, I don’t really like Kiel in general, she suffers from the same syndrom than Kormir or trahearne in the way she steals attention from the PC by cornering all the benefits from our actions. Moreover, her whole story with canach was imo too much Manichean : on one hand she want to stop canach action because he make innocents suffer to get to his ends but on the other hand she does the same in the end (that’s not like the ship she made exploding was empty…).
Finally, I can’t really buy her whole turnover from the status of a henchman to a ship captain and I don’t think she’s got what it takes to be a part of the ruling council of such a big city.
Evon, on the other hand, has both the wealth and power to be a force to be reckoned with and, being a typical charr, we can be sure he’ll put the interest of the city before his own and won’t be afraid of the means (which can lead to some nice stories with us dealing with collateral effects^^).
And, well, he’s a charr and so am I so charrs have to stand together in time of needs^^.

CorneliusCoffin.3169:

That vote Kiel vs Gnashblade is essentially going to be a vote on whether the players value story over gameplay.
If you have followed the storyline and are interested in it, there is no way you could possibly endorse Evon Gnashblade in any way (the terms ‘ludonarrative dissonance’ keep revolving in my mind).

Could you clarify what you feel Gnashblade did that was so awful?

Because from where I’m sitting, back in Southsun, Kiel refused to help the refugees until Canach forced her hand, and then she essentially carried out the completion of Canach’s plan but threw him in prison anyway because there’s got to be a scapegoat when something goes wrong.

Gnashblade is without a doubt a ruthless businessman, but he gets things done. Kiel, on the other hand, seems to me to be a stickler for the rules even if they hurt people and a rather major hypocrite. Of the two, I’d go for the corporate shark for a position of power, especially for a jurisdiction like Lion’s Arch, personally.

ETA: For the record, I think Kiel has the better offer mechanics-wise, but I wouldn’t vote for her because I strongly dislike Kiel herself for the above reasons.

Minos.3450:

That’s simply not true. I’m a huge lore fan in GW2 and in games in general and I have followed thoroughly the whole living story up to now. Yet, I’m going to vote for Evon for several reasons, none of them related to gameplay.
First, I don’t really like Kiel in general, she suffers from the same syndrom than Kormir or trahearne in the way she steals attention from the PC by cornering all the benefits from our actions. Moreover, her whole story with canach was imo too much Manichean : on one hand she want to stop canach action because he make innocents suffer to get to his ends but on the other hand she does the same in the end (that’s not like the ship she made exploding was empty…).

What you are saying about kiel there may be true, but the other side of that coin is that every single time she did something that made her feel self-righteous, (for lack of a better term) the PC was there assisting her as her henchman.
Whether you like Kiel or not is part of your personal assesment, it does, however, not seem to reflect the cognition of the character we’re playing. At least I couldn’t see an indication of it so far.
The entire narrative of the game so far has moved in a very tolkien-esque fantasy-world of light and shadow. There’s either bad or good, no real grey areas (which is why Canach, for example, ended up in prison, instead of becoming Tyrias version of Edward Snowden.) And that’s where I have to situate the character that I’m playing. He or she doesn’t go so far as to evaluate who would be the better suited candidate for the ship’s council from a political or economical standpoint. Or at least he didn’t in the past. If he’d take those aspects into consideration all of a sudden, I would expect to be given a really, really strong motivation for him to do it. Otherwise it’s just inconsistent narration that violates my perception of the character according to the possible world theory.

CorneliusCoffin.3169:

What you are saying about kiel there may be true, but the other side of that coin is that every single time she did something that made her feel self-righteous, (for lack of a better term) the PC was there assisting her as her henchman.
Whether you like Kiel or not is part of your personal assesment, it does, however, not seem to reflect the cognition of the character we’re playing. At least I couldn’t see an indication of it so far.
The entire narrative of the game so far has moved in a very tolkien-esque fantasy-world of light and shadow. There’s either bad or good, no real grey areas (which is why Canach, for example, ended up in prison, instead of becoming Tyrias version of Edward Snowden.) And that’s where I have to situate the character that I’m playing. He or she doesn’t go so far as to evaluate who would be the better suited candidate for the ship’s council from a political or economical standpoint. Or at least he didn’t in the past. If he’d take those aspects into consideration all of a sudden, I would expect to be given a really, really strong motivation for him to do it. Otherwise it’s just inconsistent narration that violates my perception of the character according to the possible world theory.

That’s totally valid take on the story… but also a totally different explanation than what you originally said. What you originally said was pretty accusatory.

Other players have very different views on the situation based on how we view the story from our own lens – neither is better or worse, and the fact that other people view the story and characters differently than you do doesn’t mean we’re less influenced by the story and characters or are more focused on pure game mechanics.

I tend to view events through who I know my character is, rather than having events dictate my character’s personality and opinions. That’s just preference, though, not some sort of universal mandate.

Navzar.2938

Well Evon could easily buy a ship and be a captain, he probably already has considering he runs a huge trading business.
I’m not too sure about Kiel or about how much money is needed, but maybe she took a lot of nice stuff from AR with her:p

Anyway, Evon seems to have the right character for this, and I missed flame and frost, so I’d love to try his dungeon, so I’m definitely an Evon supporter
I am curious though, how much are waypoint costs reduced by?

If Evon buys a ship to become a captain and then just tosses in the fee to become a council member we’d be reliving “Sea of Sorrows”;
where the most powerful merchant did the same thing, was hated by the council for doing it, but ended up taking care of Lion Arch's finances.

I really doubt Kiel has the money to become a council member, but then again Arenanet can always throw in some storyline in which she becomes rich

I’m not sure about the waypoint costs, it’s probably going to be something around 20-40%, but that’s just me speculating.

Anakita Snakecharm.4360:

CorneliusCoffin.3169:

What you are saying about kiel there may be true, but the other side of that coin is that every single time she did something that made her feel self-righteous, (for lack of a better term) the PC was there assisting her as her henchman.
Whether you like Kiel or not is part of your personal assesment, it does, however, not seem to reflect the cognition of the character we’re playing. At least I couldn’t see an indication of it so far.
The entire narrative of the game so far has moved in a very tolkien-esque fantasy-world of light and shadow. There’s either bad or good, no real grey areas (which is why Canach, for example, ended up in prison, instead of becoming Tyrias version of Edward Snowden.) And that’s where I have to situate the character that I’m playing. He or she doesn’t go so far as to evaluate who would be the better suited candidate for the ship’s council from a political or economical standpoint. Or at least he didn’t in the past. If he’d take those aspects into consideration all of a sudden, I would expect to be given a really, really strong motivation for him to do it. Otherwise it’s just inconsistent narration that violates my perception of the character according to the possible world theory.

That’s totally valid take on the story… but also a totally different explanation than what you originally said. What you originally said was pretty accusatory.

Other players have very different views on the situation based on how we view the story from our own lens – neither is better or worse, and the fact that other people view the story and characters differently than you do doesn’t mean we’re less influenced by the story and characters or are more focused on pure game mechanics.

I tend to view events through who I know my character is, rather than having events dictate my character’s personality and opinions. That’s just preference, though, not some sort of universal mandate.

That accusation in my first post was not meant to be general, it was more an observation I made in this thread that a lot of people seem to be more interested in who’s going to reduce their travel costs or which dungeon is going to end up in the fractals than thinking about what this all means for the story. And to be fair, I wouldn’t even blame the players for that, because the story bits seemed to be pretty much secondary in many of the recent updates (I’ve read in another post just now that some people weren’t even sure whether there was a plot point in the BotFW update at all and they’re now suprised to be confronted with the election scenario).

And I really understand and appreciate the position that you are coming from. You take up a stance that is more a roleplaying perspective on the game, which lets you envision your own character in a way you like it, in opposition to how the game tells you what they are like.
But that creates a problem for the story. If you’re trying to tell a story, you have to make sure that the characters (and in the living story the PC is a character) have a consistent mindset, so that their actions have meaning. If you’re going to say that the player can inscribe each and every possible mindest to a character, that means their motivations for their actions and as a consequence their actions will become random and therefore meaningless for the story, unless of course it’s your own story that you are trying to tell (in which case of course the protagonist will have a fixed mindset again, namely the one that you have inscribed to him).
And that’s what i mean when I say if Evon wins this election, the Living Story has failed. I can understand that it might be seen as an approach to give players more control over the mindset of their character, but at that point it’s also going to get inconsistent and we’ll start to tell our own story instead of being told the story by ANet.

I would be very surprised if Evon didn’t already own multiple ships. He’s the head of a trading company in a setting where a great deal of commerce appears to be conducted by ship. I would imagine he already has a fleet of his own, because from an in-character standpoint that would be required for the running of his business regardless of his political ambitions.

CorneliusCoffin.3169:

But that creates a problem for the story. If you’re trying to tell a story, you have to make sure that the characters (and in the living story the PC is a character) have a consistent mindset, so that their actions have meaning. If you’re going to say that the player can inscribe each and every possible mindest to a character, that means their motivations for their actions and as a consequence their actions will become random and therefore meaningless for the story, unless of course it’s your own story that you are trying to tell (in which case of course the protagonist will have a fixed mindset again, namely the one that you have inscribed to him).

That’s not necessarily true, I don’t think.

In the real world, I often have to make decisions that I wouldn’t make in an ideal world. My actions don’t always exactly match up to my internal monologue because I’m influenced by external as well as internal factors. That’s part of being a three-dimensional human being.

Likewise, my character may feel it is necessarily to go along with events she is not in full agreement with (like helping Kiel at Southsun) because circumstances dictate it and the alternative would be worse. I really don’t see any inconsistency there, personally. Not every possible mindset would fit every scenario, but there’s a fair bit of leeway.

To use the Southsun example again: My character helped Kiel, in my view, not because she likes Kiel or thinks Kiel made good decisions in that situation, but because letting the refugees suffer just to spite Kiel for being a hypocrite would be kind of awful too.

Kiel will win regardless of what we do because she has been built up more. It’s kind of obvious.

Anakita Snakecharm.4360:

In the real world, I often have to make decisions that I wouldn’t make in an ideal world. My actions don’t always exactly match up to my internal monologue because I’m influenced by external as well as internal factors. That’s part of being a three-dimensional human being.

Likewise, my character may feel it is necessarily to go along with events she is not in full agreement with (like helping Kiel at Southsun) because circumstances dictate it and the alternative would be worse. I really don’t see any inconsistency there, personally. Not every possible mindset would fit every scenario, but there’s a fair bit of leeway.

To use the Southsun example again: My character helped Kiel, in my view, not because she likes Kiel or thinks Kiel made good decisions in that situation, but because letting the refugees suffer just to spite Kiel for being a hypocrite would be kind of awful too.

So in other words, you feel like helping Kiel to prevent Lion’s Arch from getting destructed after the consortium stirred up the karka, sink the settler contracts on Southsun and capture Mai Trin and strike against the aetherblades was more out of neccesity than your charatcers deep personal conviction? The Canach situation may have been a different thing, but we’ve helped Kiel numerous times now and more often than not it felt like we did it because it was the right thing to do and not because it was the less bad alternative.

One thing to keep in mind, is that Kiel so far has been traveling all across Tyria to solve various issues, and if you vote for her then her adventures would come to an end. She would basically be given a dusty seat on the council, and will be confined to pirate meetings, instead of kicking butt out in the field. This is all a matter of having the right person in the right place. And you may not like Evon, but he is exactly the right sort of person to have on pirate meetings. He would be among people he’s most familiar with. While Kiel has managed to get some stuff done in the world, would she be equally effective trying to get things done on a pirate council? None of those pirates are going to respect her, and they will look down on her. What you need is someone scrupulous and clever. Someone who gets how pirate politics and the economy work. Evan really is the most sensible choice.

Evon Gnashblade is the Benjamin Horne, the Datak Tarr, the Lex Luther of Lion’s Arch.

What could possibly go wrong, putting a magnate in charge of politics? Will he make unbiased decisions, in the interest of the inhabitants of this wonderful city? Will he fight corruption? Or will he make every decision in the interest of lining his own pockets and widening his own influence?

What could possibly go wrong?

Big-time business owners do not make good politicians. Especially not unscrupulous, dishonest, Machiavellian industrialists.

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

Big-time business owners do not make good politicians. Especially not unscrupulous, dishonest, Machiavellian industrialists.

And what is more unscrupulous and dishonest than selling RNG boxes?

CorneliusCoffin.3169:

So in other words, you feel like helping Kiel to prevent Lion’s Arch from getting destructed after the consortium stirred up the karka, sink the settler contracts on Southsun and capture Mai Trin and strike against the aetherblades was more out of neccesity than your charatcers deep personal conviction? The Canach situation may have been a different thing, but we’ve helped Kiel numerous times now and more often than not it felt like we did it because it was the right thing to do and not because it was the less bad alternative.

Um… no, when I said Southsun I meant Southsun, not everything ever.

It was just an example of why a character might do something not totally representative of his/her own opinions and desires.

My character doesn’t necessary disagree with Kiel about every issue, either. Again, that more-than-one-dimension thing.

Because of the Southsun incident, though, Kiel has very much lost my character’s trust. She may win it back at some point, but that hasn’t happened yet.

Anakita Snakecharm.4360:

Because of the Southsun incident, though, Kiel has very much lost my character’s trust. She may win it back at some point, but that hasn’t happened yet.

And Evon Gnashblade has it?

O_O

Stunned.

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

And Evon Gnashblade has it?

O_O

Stunned.

No, he just hasn’t given me any active reason to distrust him yet, and she has.

If we could do write-in ballots, I wouldn’t pick either of them.

Anakita Snakecharm.4360:

CorneliusCoffin.3169:

So in other words, you feel like helping Kiel to prevent Lion’s Arch from getting destructed after the consortium stirred up the karka, sink the settler contracts on Southsun and capture Mai Trin and strike against the aetherblades was more out of neccesity than your charatcers deep personal conviction? The Canach situation may have been a different thing, but we’ve helped Kiel numerous times now and more often than not it felt like we did it because it was the right thing to do and not because it was the less bad alternative.

Um… no, when I said Southsun I meant Southsun, not everything ever.

It was just an example of why a character might do something not totally representative of his/her own opinions and desires.

My character doesn’t necessary disagree with Kiel about every issue, either. Again, that more-than-one-dimension thing.

Because of the Southsun incident, though, Kiel has very much lost my character’s trust. She may win it back at some point, but that hasn’t happened yet.

Okay, there’s the leeway you’ve been talking about and i can accept that as part of one’s own personal interpretation of the character. Still, none of these options makes for a good motiviation to support Evan Gnashblade in an election. If your character chooses not to fully trust Ellen Kiel, it shows that he/she is inquisitive and wants to know about a candidates backgorund. Then what makes you vote for Evon Gnashblade, whom we know nothing about, other than that he runs the single most captialistic company in Tyria, an instituiton that has been likened to the consortium on various occasions and his employees describe him as a “big, old, grumpy cat” (Sareb in the BLTC headquarters)?