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The only thing that should matter is the Fractal choice here, rest is all bull crap.
If you think about that clearly and dont let yourself get swayed by the rest, Evon is the only choice.
Abaddon fractal is going to insanely epic, the reactor is going to be boring.
Dont make the mistake of regretting your choice later on, c’mon vote for Evon!!!!!
How do you know that Abaddon will be epic? Could just be boring as well. Also who cares what happened 1000 years ago. There is no impact on the GW2 at all.
At least the reactor fractal has impact on GW2 and could be going forward. People are too caught up with lore of GW1 instead of focusing on GW2.
Go Keil !!!!
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Here’s some of the facts:
TLDR:
The 4 weeks doesn’t truly matter. Deals a deal, vote for what truly counts. Permanent Content
Abbadon: We get to see new stuff, discover things we’ll never see again since they’re in the past. Including a God. King Doric. And the Crystal Sea.
Reactor: Seeing the same stuff, and seeing things that will eventually get explained no matter what.Your “facts” seem to be nothing but an awful lot of speculation.
Here’s a real “fact” :
..I’m hoping for Kiel.
To shed some light on my bias, our team brainstormed up a bunch of fractals for you guys to pick from and then we settled on the best two. I got pretty excited about Thaumanova, given what we intend for it to entail so I’m Kiel supporter all the way.
Abbadon will also be great if Evon wins though.
Sorry, but he sounds way more excited about the Thaumanova Reactor. I like the obligatory consolation prize pep-talk about Abbadon at the end.
You crack me up. You quoted this one dev to me and now to this fellow. That’s not a fact. That’s an opinion. The players are deciding what is going to happen, not that dev. Your ONLY argument against anyone advocating why Evon is the better choice is this dev’s quote.
Oh, and as for your “lot of speculation” thing. That post is actually full of real hard facts. Not speculation. And based on what we know about the lore of both the reactor and Abaddon, that is probably one of the best arguments anyone’s laid forth in this thread thus far.
You’ve managed to completely miss the point.
Nobody is arguing that we know something about the lore of both the reactor and Abaddon. What you have zero clue about, however, is what a fractal instance on either would entail. Any assumptions about either is speculation.
What we do actually know for a fact is that one of the developers that will be working on the fractals is “..pretty excited about Thaumanova, given what (they) intend for it to entail..”.
So, you can sit there and write a 50 page case study on why you believe “fractal reactor = yawn” and “fractal Abaddon = best thing since sliced bread”, but in the end you’re just speculating (with great bias, I might add) and not putting forth anything factual. In fact, such speculation flies completely in the fact of the one fact you do actually have about these two fractals: that a developer is pretty excited about their plans for a Thaumanova fractal, describing it as one of the two best ideas they’ve come up with for new fractals.
If that to you screams “yawn”, then you’re being a) silly and b) ridiculously biased. Try making an argument that doesn’t involve spinning opinions as facts.
Okay buddy, but guess what, that’s ONE developer’s OPINION.
ONE developer.
He might be more excited about the Reactor fractal, but that doesn’t mean that the Abaddon fractal is nothing to be excited about.
Have we heard from another developer comparing the two and stating which they’re more excited about?
Until I actually see some more developers coming out and talking about what THEY think is the better fractal, your argument by using this developer’s words is baseless at best.And let me just point out that Anthony Ordon was not on the development team during the original Guild Wars, so I feel that naturally he’s not going to be as excited about Abaddon in a Fractal. I mean, it makes sense, doesn’t it?
He was on the team that came up with the idea for both fractals, and favors the reactor over abaddon.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/cutthroat/IMO-ArenaNet-favors-Evon-Unfair/2473277
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Here’s some of the facts:
TLDR:
The 4 weeks doesn’t truly matter. Deals a deal, vote for what truly counts. Permanent Content
Abbadon: We get to see new stuff, discover things we’ll never see again since they’re in the past. Including a God. King Doric. And the Crystal Sea.
Reactor: Seeing the same stuff, and seeing things that will eventually get explained no matter what.Your “facts” seem to be nothing but an awful lot of speculation.
Here’s a real “fact” :
..I’m hoping for Kiel.
To shed some light on my bias, our team brainstormed up a bunch of fractals for you guys to pick from and then we settled on the best two. I got pretty excited about Thaumanova, given what we intend for it to entail so I’m Kiel supporter all the way.
Abbadon will also be great if Evon wins though.
Sorry, but he sounds way more excited about the Thaumanova Reactor. I like the obligatory consolation prize pep-talk about Abbadon at the end.
You crack me up. You quoted this one dev to me and now to this fellow. That’s not a fact. That’s an opinion. The players are deciding what is going to happen, not that dev. Your ONLY argument against anyone advocating why Evon is the better choice is this dev’s quote.
Oh, and as for your “lot of speculation” thing. That post is actually full of real hard facts. Not speculation. And based on what we know about the lore of both the reactor and Abaddon, that is probably one of the best arguments anyone’s laid forth in this thread thus far.
You’ve managed to completely miss the point.
Nobody is arguing that we know something about the lore of both the reactor and Abaddon. What you have zero clue about, however, is what a fractal instance on either would entail. Any assumptions about either is speculation.
What we do actually know for a fact is that one of the developers that will be working on the fractals is “..pretty excited about Thaumanova, given what (they) intend for it to entail..”.
So, you can sit there and write a 50 page case study on why you believe “fractal reactor = yawn” and “fractal Abaddon = best thing since sliced bread”, but in the end you’re just speculating (with great bias, I might add) and not putting forth anything factual. In fact, such speculation flies completely in the fact of the one fact you do actually have about these two fractals: that a developer is pretty excited about their plans for a Thaumanova fractal, describing it as one of the two best ideas they’ve come up with for new fractals.
If that to you screams “yawn”, then you’re being a) silly and b) ridiculously biased. Try making an argument that doesn’t involve spinning opinions as facts.
Okay buddy, but guess what, that’s ONE developer’s OPINION.
ONE developer.
He might be more excited about the Reactor fractal, but that doesn’t mean that the Abaddon fractal is nothing to be excited about.
Have we heard from another developer comparing the two and stating which they’re more excited about?
Until I actually see some more developers coming out and talking about what THEY think is the better fractal, your argument by using this developer’s words is baseless at best.And let me just point out that Anthony Ordon was not on the development team during the original Guild Wars, so I feel that naturally he’s not going to be as excited about Abaddon in a Fractal. I mean, it makes sense, doesn’t it?
He was on the team that came up with the idea for both fractals, and favors the reactor over abaddon.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/cutthroat/IMO-ArenaNet-favors-Evon-Unfair/2473277
Yeah. I know that.
He wasn’t on the team that developed Abaddon. That was my point.
So I don’t know what you’re trying to tell me.
If I described both Fractals to a child, they’d easily choose Abaddon. That’s how simple this really should be.
That explains why the support for Evon has been so fervent. :P
Oh you’re so funny. /clap
Hell i’d choose abaddon if you explained it to me the way you explain the abaddon fractal with no knowledge coming in.
Would you rather have the insanely epic fight against a god; or some boring inquest kitten that we’ve seen a million times?
Just because you talk about it and make it sound exciting and the other one like complete crap doesn’t make it proof of anything. Here I can do it too.
Would you rather see some guy who we already know dies, die, or would you like to explore a high tech dungeon that blew up and is tearing the very fabric of reality in pieces with its aftermath?
Us Kiel supporters just don’t blow up the facts to make ourselves look better. No one can say for sure what was in the thaumanova reactor is, we don’t know. As opposed to abaddon which, while we don’t know all of, we have a basic idea of. There could be anything in the thaumanova reactor, if you don’t convince yourself it’s crap ahead of time. It’s harder to come up with an argument for the thaumanova reactor because it’s new lore that we don’t know. But it’s new lore. You people vote for Evon, and then you’re the same people that complain that GW2 has no new lore it’s introducing even though you tell anet you just want them to explain what’s already there.
That’s really what we’re voting on, which direction do we want the game to go in? Do we want new lore that could be anything and further the world, or do we want to further explain old lore that hasn’t really been expanded upon?
Correction: He doesn’t die in the Fall of Abaddon.
And just because it’s not new lore doesn’t mean it’s not pertinent to the present-day in GW2. I think it’s very pertinent and putting Abaddon in GW2 gives the person who never played GW1 some idea as to why things happened the way they did, events that clearly affect the GW2 we know now.
The Reactor might have scarce details, but I cannot imagine it looking or even playing any differently than the type of Asuran tech we have already witnessed, in both games. I personally don’t want to see more of that, if it means discarding the idea of seeing a war of the gods 1000 years prior to GW1’s storyline.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to see key points in Tyrian history. Nothing. Guess what else we never got to see? The founding of Ebonhawke. You’d think that with such important key characters as Gwen and Keiran and the Ebon Vanguard, we should be able to see what they endured when they were sent south. There are plenty more just like that, events that we never actually got to witness, or even see something like concept art.
I’d also like to point out that the Bonus Mission Pack in GW1 was one of the most brilliant things that Arena ever gave us. I enjoyed it thoroughly, as did many others. It brought us back to important times in history we had only previously heard about, but never saw anything for. In addition I found the gameplay pretty fun. If the retelling of events past was not criticized back then, why is it now?
If I described both Fractals to a child, they’d easily choose Abaddon. That’s how simple this really should be.
That explains why the support for Evon has been so fervent. :P
Oh you’re so funny. /clap
Hell i’d choose abaddon if you explained it to me the way you explain the abaddon fractal with no knowledge coming in.
Would you rather have the insanely epic fight against a god; or some boring inquest kitten that we’ve seen a million times?
Just because you talk about it and make it sound exciting and the other one like complete crap doesn’t make it proof of anything. Here I can do it too.
Would you rather see some guy who we already know dies, die, or would you like to explore a high tech dungeon that blew up and is tearing the very fabric of reality in pieces with its aftermath?
Us Kiel supporters just don’t blow up the facts to make ourselves look better. No one can say for sure what was in the thaumanova reactor is, we don’t know. As opposed to abaddon which, while we don’t know all of, we have a basic idea of. There could be anything in the thaumanova reactor, if you don’t convince yourself it’s crap ahead of time. It’s harder to come up with an argument for the thaumanova reactor because it’s new lore that we don’t know. But it’s new lore. You people vote for Evon, and then you’re the same people that complain that GW2 has no new lore it’s introducing even though you tell anet you just want them to explain what’s already there.
That’s really what we’re voting on, which direction do we want the game to go in? Do we want new lore that could be anything and further the world, or do we want to further explain old lore that hasn’t really been expanded upon?
Correction: He doesn’t die in the Fall of Abaddon.
And just because it’s not new lore doesn’t mean it’s not pertinent to the present-day in GW2. I think it’s very pertinent and putting Abaddon in GW2 gives the person who never played GW1 some idea as to why things happened the way they did, events that clearly affect the GW2 we know now.
The Reactor might have scarce details, but I cannot imagine it looking or even playing any differently than the type of Asuran tech we have already witnessed, in both games. I personally don’t want to see more of that, if it means discarding the idea of seeing a war of the gods 1000 years prior to GW1’s storyline.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to see key points in Tyrian history. Nothing. Guess what else we never got to see? The founding of Ebonhawke. You’d think that with such important key characters as Gwen and Keiran and the Ebon Vanguard, we should be able to see what they endured when they were sent south. There are plenty more just like that, events that we never actually got to witness, or even see something like concept art.
I’d also like to point out that the Bonus Mission Pack in GW1 was one of the most brilliant things that Arena ever gave us. I enjoyed it thoroughly, as did many others. It brought us back to important times in history we had only previously heard about, but never saw anything for. In addition I found the gameplay pretty fun. If the retelling of events past was not criticized back then, why is it now?
I know he doesn’t die, that was my point.
The reason i’m against the retelling of past events is because it’s a different game, sure it takes place in the same world, and yes the fall of abaddon was important to shaping tyria today, but what are you really going to learn from it that will change the story? Abaddon has already been killed. The thaumanova reactor is happening in current day tyria and all we know is it’s tearing a hole is reality. Sure right now it’s contained to a few areas of the world, but what if it spontaneously grew? How will more information on the fall of abaddon help you then? I’m a big ancient history fan I studied the greek myths in school as a hobby, I get how it’s interesting, but what’s more interesting is the things we don’t know at all.
If I described both Fractals to a child, they’d easily choose Abaddon. That’s how simple this really should be.
That explains why the support for Evon has been so fervent. :P
Oh you’re so funny. /clap
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I’d also like to point out that the Bonus Mission Pack in GW1 was one of the most brilliant things that Arena ever gave us. I enjoyed it thoroughly, as did many others. It brought us back to important times in history we had only previously heard about, but never saw anything for. In addition I found the gameplay pretty fun. If the retelling of events past was not criticized back then, why is it now?
Because we weren’t forced to choose 1 or the other. With the BMP, we could freely decide which one to play with, while having the option to play the others.
With what we have right now we do, Abaddon OR Thaumanova.
With the BMP we could do, Togo and Ossa and Gwen and Saul D’Alessio.
Honestly, if we could get both fractals, that would me me very happy.
Edit: And yes, I do agree that the BMP is probably one of the best inventions Anet tossed at us. I mean more lore, good history, AND Nice skins with max stat weapons? Who DOESN’T want that?
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hey and maybe in thaumanova reactor we will be the INQUEST just for change?
and we will be primarly defending reactor from some mobs (destroyer chaos beasts whatever) while some NPC will setting right configuration to the reactor and after that he will done it we will receive something like “get out of there its gonna blow” and we will have to run from the endangered zone just to see epic eruption of the reactor and have to fight some massive chaos elementall that will spawn in the place of reactor…..
actually that could be actually epic piece