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Posted by: AvalonBright.6957

AvalonBright.6957

First off, count me in with the crowd that thinks the Moa Racing bets are way too expensive in the first place. And to have to get second place to even recoup your losses is ridiculous. Plus, it’s needlessly forcing lowbies out of having a real chance at completing content, since this game’s weird currency system means if you’re in your 40s or 50s and lower you’re going to be out of money in just a few unlucky races. NO ONE has that kind of gold on a lowbie unless they’re alts or have seriously generous friends.

But, that’s not what I’m complaining about in particular. The issue is that the Moa Racing achievement is part of the meta in the first place. And not even a random “Win 1” that is at least semi justifiable, but three.

Achievements should not be based around nothing but luck, especially temporary achievements that aren’t even going to be around forever. Achievements should be about your own skill and the amount of time you’re willing and able to put into work for your progress, NOT whether or not you randomly happen to guess right while having enough money to keep guessing if you continually fail.

I personally blew 2 1/2 gold on a level 30-some character and watched my moa come in dead last every time before I said NOPE, not happening. It’s ridiculous. This should not be any part of the meta at all. If you’re determined to keep it in, fine, but remove the Moa Racing from part of the meta at the very least.

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Posted by: Master of Timespace.2548

Master of Timespace.2548

Buy tokens gold from the cashier Item Mall if you are new to the Casino game.

? <(^-^><)>^-^)> <(^-^)> ?

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Posted by: Apache.7231

Apache.7231

Guess you didn’t pick Meep…

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Posted by: AvalonBright.6957

AvalonBright.6957

…Actually I picked Meep every time. -_- Dead last. Repeatedly. At least until picking someone else when he gets second. The very first time he was literally fifteen seconds behind the pack after the final stretch, after having been in second the entire race until then. -.-

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Posted by: Penguin.5197

Penguin.5197

…Actually I picked Meep every time. -_- Dead last. Repeatedly. At least until picking someone else when he gets second. The very first time he was literally fifteen seconds behind the pack after the final stretch, after having been in second the entire race until then. -.-

Im laughing pretty hard cause its true meeb does have those losing streak moments, you were just unlucky enough to pick her during then.
Meeeeeb!

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Posted by: Aevic.9675

Aevic.9675

Yeah.. I’m passing on this awful achievement. This is not worth the gold and time invested. Completely random achievements are not fun.

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Posted by: Lane.3410

Lane.3410

I was really hoping Moa racing wasn’t a part of the meta because I hate gambling. Plus, 50s is a lot to spend with an 80% chance to not get the achievement each time. Awesome.

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Posted by: Fox.3469

Fox.3469

I was foolish enough to think we were gonna race the moa’s ourselves before this launched…

If you are looking for a cozy mature Dutch guild (EU) let me know.

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Posted by: Crovax.7854

Crovax.7854

you get +1 for the achievement if your moa is among the first 3, so it’s a 60% chance.
got mine after 3 races with first, first, third

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Posted by: RileyTheRad.8542

RileyTheRad.8542

I would probably be more upset had I not gotten incredibly lucky with my first few races.

But yeah, the second you said how much you lost with your moa coming dead last every time… I knew it was Meep.

Friggin’ Meep. Useless. USELESSSSSS xD
I honestly think there may be some system in place, because I played the moa race a ton and then watched my wife play, and yeah… Meep is horribad. xD

Hoopa doopa.

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Posted by: RileyTheRad.8542

RileyTheRad.8542

If it helps I had some pretty good luck with… Monni, I think its name was?

Hoopa doopa.

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Posted by: Durzlla.6295

Durzlla.6295

Muggo is the champion moa that all other moas hope to be!

They sing dark, delicious notes about power and family.
As their mother, I have to grant them their wish. – Forever Fyonna

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Posted by: Crovax.7854

Crovax.7854

You realize you only need 10/14 achievements? Fail less.

god forbid some people want to do all the achievements for completions sake,
not just for a skin

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Posted by: Shorty.9873

Shorty.9873

Monna blew it for me. I only had 80 or so gold. First 2 races took 2nd. was up over a gold and a half. Then monna lost 3 in a row and now im broke. Can’t play anymore races I was enjoying it. But I think the price could be a bit lower. Or give you an option to bet less for less return or something.

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Posted by: Zedd.8239

Zedd.8239

you get +1 for the achievement if your moa is among the first 3, so it’s a 60% chance.
got mine after 3 races with first, first, third

You need to get 1st place for all 3 points. I know this because I’ve gotten 2nd place several times in a row and only 1st place actually counted for the achievement. So no, it isn’t a 60% chance at all.

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Posted by: Candacis.7048

Candacis.7048

I kind of miss achievements that aren’t a grind…

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Posted by: Shirogatsu.3150

Shirogatsu.3150

I kind of miss achievements that aren’t a grind…

That’s true.
Want achievment? Okay, guide is here!:
Find hologram in the fields and PRESS 1
Find pinata and PRESS F
Find fireworks and PRESS F
Find Zhaitaffy in your inventory and PRESS LEFT MOUSE BUTTON TWICE

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Posted by: Bishop.2690

Bishop.2690

Can also confirm that your bird needs to place 1st for the achievment. Some quick and probably inaccurate math, means you spend 7.5g for 15 races to get 3 wins. If you figure you’ll also win 2nd (60s) 3 times, and 3rd (20s) 3 times, and nothing the other times, You’ll earn 6.6g for a net loss of 90s.

Of course if you’re like me, that won’t be the case, and you’ll end up in a 7.5g hole for about 2 victories worth, even when betting on the same horse.

A big “golfclap” to Arena Net.

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Posted by: Toast.6459

Toast.6459

Luck is luck is luck is luck is luck. I am disappointed that we went from being the racers to just mindlessly picking one we thought might win though.
Dragon Ball disappoints me also, the one shot kills of Dragon Arena provided challenge, but the slow projectile time meant you could also take on large groups if you were situationally aware and had good reaction time. Dragon Ball is just about ganking and numbers.

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Posted by: Auruan.2837

Auruan.2837

Luck is luck is luck is luck is luck. I am disappointed that we went from being the racers to just mindlessly picking one we thought might win though.
Dragon Ball disappoints me also, the one shot kills of Dragon Arena provided challenge, but the slow projectile time meant you could also take on large groups if you were situationally aware and had good reaction time. Dragon Ball is just about ganking and numbers.

This. A thousand times.
At first I thought I was just being a tad judgmental, because I used to love Dragon Festival in the good old Shing Jea Monastery. But after a while, having tried everything multiple times, I came to conclude it really is just bland and boring.
Dragon Ball involves nothing but luck, which takes the fun out of it entirely. Losing is a pain. Winning isn’t rewarding, as it was based mostly on luck. And the moas. What a joke. Couldn’t invest in having the graphics team model a few Rollerbeetles, eh?

Bottomline stands.
The gambling has to go. Or the prices lowered drastically.

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Posted by: Dark Saviour.9410

Dark Saviour.9410

I kind of miss achievements that aren’t a grind…

I miss the days when games relied on having you pursue content you actually found compelling rather than switching the focus from worthwhile collectibles and goals to overly-tedious and/or arbitrary lists of lazily-implemented achievements.

Gone for good after Halloween 2Ø12.
A shame fun things could not simply be fun.

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Posted by: Cameirus.8407

Cameirus.8407

I’d love to take part in Moa racing, only Anets TP bugs caused me to lose most of my money and they wont give it back.
So I cant. Thanks Anet.

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Posted by: Klonex.4562

Klonex.4562

i didn’t find it all that challenging to get first three times to get the achievement, sure it took a little while (about 20 – 40 minutes) though it was rather easy to get that achievement. love you Monna Moa ~

~Krystal <3 Angela ~
~ I taught cows how to Moo! ~

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Posted by: Katz.5143

Katz.5143

I took one look at the cost of the bet and moved on. I have better things to spend my coin on. I’m a completionist and it annoys me to leave achievements undone but I’m not throwing my money away.

It’s a kitten conspiracy. Kittens gonna be kittens. All is vain!

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Posted by: spoj.9672

spoj.9672

I bet on my trusty friend Meep and made a profit while getting the achievement.

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Posted by: Vahkris.6847

Vahkris.6847

You realize you only need 10/14 achievements? Fail less.

god forbid some people want to do all the achievements for completions sake,
not just for a skin

Then start a thread about it being an achievement at all. The OP is complaining about it being part of the meta, which you don’t actually need this achievement to get. It’s entirely unnecessary in order to get the meta.

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Posted by: robocafaz.9017

robocafaz.9017

You realize you only need 10/14 achievements? Fail less.

god forbid some people want to do all the achievements for completions sake,
not just for a skin

That’s not how achievements work.

Deany Kong – #magswag
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Posted by: Pirlipat.2479

Pirlipat.2479

I would have loved if one could actually “manipulate” the moas, so that the game became rather about tactics and not about luck.

I mean the exploit was definitely not fair, but it would be cool for example to give “your” moa zhaitaffy for a speed boost which slows it down after a short while, stuff like that.

Note: I’m not trying to defend any kind of exploit, I’m talking about making this game tactics/skillbased.

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Posted by: zerospin.8604

zerospin.8604

you get +1 for the achievement if your moa is among the first 3, so it’s a 60% chance.
got mine after 3 races with first, first, third

You need to get 1st place for all 3 points. I know this because I’ve gotten 2nd place several times in a row and only 1st place actually counted for the achievement. So no, it isn’t a 60% chance at all.

Actually no, I won only once, then 4x 2nd and 1x 3rd and completed the achievement.

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Posted by: MrFlump.8725

MrFlump.8725

took me 3 goes to come 1st 3 times… guess im lucky

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Posted by: Malleus Maleficarum.2603

Malleus Maleficarum.2603

Yeah I got the achievement having only placed above 3rd place . Bet at least 10 or so time, had 4 3rd places, and a first and got the achievement

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Posted by: Lokheit.7943

Lokheit.7943

To OP, come one, you only need 3 top3 races (at least one of mines was a 3rd place) to get the achievement it isn’t so hard… Crabtacular was much more luck dependant, this one statiscially will fall really soon. You don’t even need to have the winning moa, that’s a 60% of a podium per race and only 3 podium needed.

In fact I’ve participated 3 times (with Mortt the Green Moa) and he finished 3rd, 1st and 1st. I spent 1.5 gold, won 3 gold (1.5 gold after substracting the entry price), got my achievement and left.

About the price, given that the only think you can win is the minipet, the number of tickets you get per race and the prices of other exotic minipets, I think it’s all right. If it was cheaper it should give less tokens in exchange so it would only make the process of getting the minipet slower than it is.

If you bet to win money don’t do it, it’s only worth for the minipet and if you’re feeling extremely lucky seeing winning streaks. On average you will lose 6 silver everytime you place a bet (20% of 1.4 gold, 20% of 60 silver, 20% of 20 silver, 40% of nothing equals to 44 silver per round, minus the 50 silver entry = -6). I was lucky, won 1.5 gold and left. I guess others can try to get certain streaks and leave while they’re winning, but in the long term you lose money, it’s like any other kind of betting system, the casino will always win.

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Posted by: Pixelpumpkin.4608

Pixelpumpkin.4608

I had 1 win, around 10 #2, and several more #3 placements.

My achievement counter says: 1 out of 3 wins.

I definitely didn’t get any achievement credit for second and third places.

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Posted by: Dyno.9467

Dyno.9467

I love Meep, he got me 4 wins out of 6 and 2 third place finishes

“And now, to destroy you”

Asura – Desolation

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Posted by: Midnight Gypsy.9360

Midnight Gypsy.9360

Meep won my first two times and 2nd 2 more times and 3 rd twice.

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Posted by: Jemmi.6058

Jemmi.6058

you get +1 for the achievement if your moa is among the first 3, so it’s a 60% chance.
got mine after 3 races with first, first, third

I didn’t

I got 1st twice and then got 2nd a bunch of times without getting the 3rd winning achievement until I got 1st again.

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Posted by: Thelgar.7214

Thelgar.7214

I hit first, second, first, then lost, lost, lost, lost, lost… Time to grind for some more gold to finish it. sigh…

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Posted by: Caelib.2497

Caelib.2497

Make no mistake, the Moa Racing being part of the achievement is intentional — it’s just a down-right unethical attempt to suck money out of the economy. SHAME ON YOU ARENA NET!

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Posted by: Aberrant.6749

Aberrant.6749

It’s random who wins. So it might be hard and costly, or easy and profitable.

You don’t NEED to do racing.

You’ll have the reward chest from achievements (and get the shattered wings) if you just do the others. It’s 100% optional. If you choose to do this one, then don’t get upset if you have bad luck with the moas.

I see NOTHING wrong with this… it’s not excluding anyone from the final reward. If you’re upset about a few achievement points… then whatever, that’s just silly.

Tarnished Coast
Salvage 4 Profit + MF Guide – http://tinyurl.com/l8ff6pa

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Posted by: Deimos Tel Arin.7391

Deimos Tel Arin.7391

forcing lowbies out of having a real chance at completing content, since this game’s weird currency system means if you’re in your 40s or 50s and lower you’re going to be out of money in just a few unlucky races.

the moa racing is permanent. no hurry there.

they can farm dragon coffers, sell them, then bet on races.
lost monies on moa races?

farm more dragon coffers and sell them to recoup the loses.

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Posted by: shimmerless.4560

shimmerless.4560

Monna blew it for me. I only had 80 or so gold. First 2 races took 2nd. was up over a gold and a half. Then monna lost 3 in a row and now im broke. Can’t play anymore races I was enjoying it. But I think the price could be a bit lower. Or give you an option to bet less for less return or something.

I have bet on Monna each race and this infuriating bird will not learn that coming in second place every time is not good enough. You hear that, Monna?! Second is another word for failure!

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Posted by: Durzlla.6295

Durzlla.6295

I love my Moa trio, I’m up 8g atm =D, finished my monthly events because of Moa racing and am rolling in dough, god I hope this stays!

They sing dark, delicious notes about power and family.
As their mother, I have to grant them their wish. – Forever Fyonna

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Posted by: Bubi.7942

Bubi.7942

Oh no! A gambling game that actually resides on gambing! Whoever heard of such a thing?

Explain to me Anet how will I ever get this acheivment, wich I don’t even need to do for the vanity items, when I only have my whole lifetime to do it! I want answers, NAOW!

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Posted by: Dog.1472

Dog.1472

There should be several bet amounts with different rewards. The lowest bet could be something like 1 silver to make it accessible, but offer very little reward even if you win. Then adjust the number of vouchers needed for various prizes to compensate.

People can get their achievements, prizes are still valuable, more people are able to participate, win-win.

“Please, you can look down on people without having to be physically above them.
As an asura, I do this all the time.”

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Posted by: Pixelpumpkin.4608

Pixelpumpkin.4608

I have to revise my earlier statement – you can indeed get credit for a #2 or #3 placing; it’s just that I didn’t get credit for most of these on the first day. So I guess that’s just the bug of no credit given, regardless of the placing.

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Posted by: spoj.9672

spoj.9672

The mystery moa was bugged at the beginning. You couldnt get credit if you won with the mystery moa.