Guild Wars 2

Dalent.9358:

So, now not only do we need Badges of Honor from WvW for a Legendary, but we also have to have a certain WvW rank for it? Why not just add PvP Rank in there too?

I get some people like WvW, but there is NOTHING fun about it in my eyes. I refused to care about Legendaries initially because of the need of Badges of Honor, but the achievement chest made that easier. Luckily I got my Gift of Battle long before this change, but now we’re dragging people into content they don’t want to be a part of even more than before.

So why do I need to do dungeons to get a legendary? I don’t want to do dungeons.

Just deal with it.

Mochann.5298:

Delvoire.8930:

Mochann.5298:

Delvoire.8930:

Mochann.5298:

FrozenStarRo.7240:

Mochann.5298:

I love PVErs, they’re so cute in how scared they are of coming face to face with competition.

I’m sorry. What competition is that? WvW is no different than champ trains. It all comes down to it being mindless zerging. I’ve been in the EotM and all I’ve seen is groups conquering objectives, avoiding each other, losing the objectives (on purpose!) then reconquering them, all along just by fighting the AI, for the loots.

Exactly. And yet, for some reason, PVErs are allergic to WvW like the plague. It’s like they’ll have a heart attack the moment they see a player with red text over their heads.

Some people just don’t want to do PvP. That shouldn’t be forced upon them nor should they be looked at differently because of this.

What’s so PVP about it? As pointed by FrozenStar, it’s just zerging like a champ train. I will never understand these PVErs. I’m not looking down on them though for that. I look down on them for all the whining they are doing over this small change.

Most games have PvP sections or servers dedicated to that function. Thus making people who don’t enjoy that aspect of a game to never have to do it. ANET is forcing it upon people though with putting a Living Story aspect in there.

If you never gathered ever in the game and they forced that upon you, would you have a legitimate reason to be upset?

Yeah. I hate gathering. Yet I’m forced to do it, because otherwise I’m not gonna get enough mats for gold and stuff. I would have a harder time doing my dailies. Shame on ANet for forcing me to do it.

But you know what? I suck it up and JUST DO IT. Because if I want to achieve my goals, I need to.

Do you see me complaining on the forums about the need to Gather? Of course not.
And it’s not just that. If you think Gathering is such a small assinine thing, there are tons of other stuff I don’t enjoy at all in this game but I’m “forced” to because I want my legendary. Let’s start with stupid kitten Map Completion. Reknown Hearts. UGH!!! I hate doing that. But I’m “forced” to do it, right? Do you see me QQing in the forums that they take out Reknown Hearts? Of course not.

Because then I’d look as stupid as the guy who started this thread.

I’m just saying I see where PVE only players come from in that aspect.

Personally, I like pvp mixed in with my PVE experience.

My bad if it came out that I was lumping you in on the “other side” of the argument.
But anyhow, if you can see the PVE side of it, surely you can also see the other side? I’m not a WVW-only person by any stretch, I used to be a PVE-only person but then I got to the point where I needed that gift of battle, so I just dove into WvW, got my 500 badges in like 4 days, and a good number of ranks on top of that. It was easy as hell.

So I really just laugh at the people who are still allergic to WvW for some reason. I can’t understand this “I’m a PVE only I don’t want to touch PVP with a ten foot pole!” mentality. It’s ridiculously stupid in my eyes.

I played WvW in the days when GW2 was released. I tried it for quite a couple of months and never got into it.
So do you want to say i am stupid because i tried it and realised it is not my way of playing the game? Imo this is absolutely ridiculous and very close to being abusive.
Besides that i know a lot of things have changed in WvW sice then, but the principle of it is still the same. I would have probably got my rank 30 if the rank system would have been there from the beginning. But so i missed it, feel tricked by this change and have even less reason to go back and try it again.
And the reason why i don´t like WvW is this huge abusive zerg mentality. You either run with a zerg and just press 1 a lot of the times like a mindless zombie, or you have to really specialize in what you´re doing to survive.
While in sPvP you have to bring a bit of skill to encounter 1v1s, but it is not required to study it for 3 years, like you need in WvW.
Ever tried to hop into it and follow a commander, but not knowing the strategies and abbreviations? Get ready for a hell lot of abuse coming your way….
And before anybody comes and screams at me again: I don´t enjoy the PvE champ trains either. I try to stay away from those as well.

Tho on the other side i can somehow understand all those WvWers whining as well. But face it, you are dedicated to play the minority of the game, just like those dedicated sPvPers.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Wrong. GW2 is both PvE and PvP based. Part of the plan ANet had in the beginning was to get GW2 to be an eSport. You can’t win $100,000 from doing just PvE.

GW2 manifesto about WvW

Joining this PvP competition is completely optional, just like it was in the original GW, but if you do compete you’re now going to find that your world welcomes you with open arms.

azizul.8469:

should have been rank 100 to make the weapon worth the legendary status….

And, for consistency, we should add the requirement of a level 50 mossman solo. I mean, if it’s supposed to be legendary …

Well well well.

I love pvp and pve in this game so the mix for me is great A few reasons why Anet have done this imho:

1, The aim I feel is to bring these three communities closer together: Spvp,WvW and PVE.

2, The actual amount of WvW you have to do for the legendary is nothing compared to the PVE content and farming you need to do to get one, how do you think the WvW player feels?

3, People who despise any kind of WvW/PvP content maybe try it out see how it plays. Get into a group change up your play, trying something new cant hurt.

In the end Anet have gone for a new map type and design, I love the change up and cant get enough.

Check out my latest broadcast of our guild event:

http://www.twitch.tv/jebrounity/b/501523924

Here we had tons of fun in a small group of tennish people, then it even got to 5-6 yea we died, but isnt it more about the small scale fights and fun thats had than the zerg fest?

Cheers

Jebro

jebro.6370:

Well well well.

3, People who despise any kind of WvW/PvP content maybe try it out see how it plays. Get into a group change up your play, trying something new cant hurt.

Could all of you WvW players please stop requesting us to go in there AGAIN?
We have tried already and know that we don´t like it….
Just imagine how the ordinary WvWer would feel if he would be constantly asked to please go back into PvE, he could possibly enjoy it…

shakes head and walks away in disbelief

The point is we do play pve aswell

The WvWer has to go into PVE more than the PVE player comes to WvW, so if you think about it that way why wouldnt Anet market WvW to the PVE player a little more? It makes perfect sense.

I don’t see anyone forced into this new map. What I do see is a alternative WvW fix (as in drug)for the any server that is outmatch in regular WvW. My server for instance has a low central daytime population. Because of the new map people are going there instead of regular WvW because it is a short match lots of badges. They have no reason to put up a good fight in the server WvW regions anymore.

Nokaru.7831:

Zylonite.5913:

Well now you know how the WvW players feel about being forced in doing PvE to get that higher tier gear….

PSA:
You can obtain Badges of Honor from Achievement Chests.
You can gain ranks from Laurels.
You do not need to enter WvW, except for a brief moment to buy your Gift of Battle.

So we no longer need map completion to get legendary’s? I call lies. Big fat lies.

jebro.6370:

1, The aim I feel is to bring these three communities closer together: Spvp,WvW and PVE.

That might be the aim, but the effect is to create even greater wedge between them.

jebro.6370:

2, The actual amount of WvW you have to do for the legendary is nothing compared to the PVE content and farming you need to do to get one, how do you think the WvW player feels?

If WvW players feel bad about having to do PvE for this, why they keep insisting that mixing game modes is a good idea?

jebro.6370:

3, People who despise any kind of WvW/PvP content maybe try it out see how it plays. Get into a group change up your play, trying something new cant hurt.

Why do you assume that people that despise PvP never tried it? Perhaps, just perhaps they despise it because they have tried it already?

Why wouldn’t they? idk I’ve always veiwed PvP as the endgame, and the pve is kindof like a training ground ( because its stupid ez) and once u hit 80 they kindof start pushing you to the more challenging side of the game.
Thats how it was in gw1, and every other MMO i feel like as well.

If you guys want me to wvw so bad, fine. Don’t blame me when i get bored and waste supplies by placing rams in random places and intentionally snatching seige Golems away from keeps and dumping them into enemy lines.

Delvoire.8930:

Mochann.5298:

FrozenStarRo.7240:

Mochann.5298:

I love PVErs, they’re so cute in how scared they are of coming face to face with competition.

I’m sorry. What competition is that? WvW is no different than champ trains. It all comes down to it being mindless zerging. I’ve been in the EotM and all I’ve seen is groups conquering objectives, avoiding each other, losing the objectives (on purpose!) then reconquering them, all along just by fighting the AI, for the loots.

Exactly. And yet, for some reason, PVErs are allergic to WvW like the plague. It’s like they’ll have a heart attack the moment they see a player with red text over their heads.

Some people just don’t want to do PvP. That shouldn’t be forced upon them nor should they be looked at differently because of this.

Most games have PvP sections or servers dedicated to that function. Thus making people who don’t enjoy that aspect of a game to never have to do it. ANET is forcing it upon people though with putting a Living Story aspect in there.

If you never gathered ever in the game and they forced that upon you, would you have a legitimate reason to be upset?

They’re not forcing you to do anything. Legendaries are optional.

Funny thing about this is that a lot of people hate running dungeons too, yet we’ve always been forced to do that. It takes longer to get 500 dungeon tokens than it does to get 30 wvw ranks. It’s really not that hard at all. Honestly even if you don’t like it sometimes you have to go through certain things to get a legendary weapon, that’s what makes it even more special. So i don’t think it was a bad call on Anet’s part, please quit your kittening.

ajhak.9716:

It takes longer to get 500 dungeon tokens than it does to get 30 wvw ranks. It’s really not that hard at all.

Well, that’s a rumour. Depending on the legendary and the dungeon tokens needed for it, it would take me roughly 2-6 hours of dungeoneering to get the 500 tokens. I don’t see how I’d come from 0 to 30 in PvD in that time.

Bubi.7942:

Shpongle.6025:

lmao @ all the nerds arguing thinking arena cares

Did you read the red post?

Fail troll is fail.

I did, but I don’t think you did.

Anet is temporarily removing the rank requirement only because they didn’t accurately explain the new requirement to the player base. Once the rank requirement is gone, you’ll probably have a week or two to get your Gift of Battle before the rank requirement is reinstated.

Of course they might reduce it slightly, but there’s still going to be a rank requirement, which means you will still need to participate in WvW, as the rank requirements removal is not permanent.

CptAurellian.9537:

ajhak.9716:

It takes longer to get 500 dungeon tokens than it does to get 30 wvw ranks. It’s really not that hard at all.

Well, that’s a rumour. Depending on the legendary and the dungeon tokens needed for it, it would take me roughly 2-6 hours of dungeoneering to get the 500 tokens. I don’t see how I’d come from 0 to 30 in PvD in that time.

That must mean you’ve never been to WvW before because in a karma train with pvd it does not take long to get 30 ranks i promise. Even if it’s not a karma train just an hour or two of wvw can get you a few ranks not a big deal to do over a few weeks.

Name.9625:

Could all of you WvW players please stop requesting us to go in there AGAIN?
We have tried already and know that we don´t like it….
Just imagine how the ordinary WvWer would feel if he would be constantly asked to please go back into PvE, he could possibly enjoy it…

shakes head and walks away in disbelief

As much as I want to blame the WvW people, I don’t think it’s a WvW issue. It’s a people issue.

I’ve had a club sandwich for my restaurant meals, almost every time I’ve gone out. Yet, almost every time, I hear “Try the fish. Try the pasta. Try… Try… Try…” They know I don’t change, but it bothers them, and they won’t leave me alone. Then, once that moment is passed (and I eat my club sandwich), the evening goes back to normal.

But it happens… every… single… time…

Some people cannot stand or fathom people like me that do not want to “try something new” and they can be quite aggressive in “c’mon, try it.” even though it’s none of their business. I don’t know why. Offends them? Bothers them? They like to stir up trouble? Don’t know, ask them.

Bottom line = we will hear “Try the WvW / PvP.” until the end of time. THEY won’t get it that I’ll never play WvW / PvP. And, apparently, some (many?) others agree with me. But “they” will never accept that.

For the argument of “I don’t want to take up a slot for someone who wants to WvW”

Unless you’re in Blackgate or Jade Quarry, specifically on reset night ONLY for those two servers, you’re not taking up anyone’s slot. Just being there, capping sentries, killing dolyaks, flipping camps, they’re all things that help out your server TREMENDOUSLY. And they only involve killing dumb NPCs. Sure, you might get ganked every few minutes, but honestly, it’s really not that hard. If you play a glass cannon Mesmer or a Thief, you could probably even kill anyone that crosses your path. If you find that an enemy server has way too many people on that map, switch maps. there’s 4 maps of regular WvW as well as EOTM to choose from. EOTM is way zergier due to how far apart things are and how hard they are to flip, so regular WvW is the better choice for most people not interested in PvP wanting to get to rank 30.

Also, you’ll find that the WvW community is way better than the PvE community.

Dalris Thane.6314:

Name.9625:

Could all of you WvW players please stop requesting us to go in there AGAIN?
We have tried already and know that we don´t like it….
Just imagine how the ordinary WvWer would feel if he would be constantly asked to please go back into PvE, he could possibly enjoy it…

shakes head and walks away in disbelief

As much as I want to blame the WvW people, I don’t think it’s a WvW issue. It’s a people issue.

I’ve had a club sandwich for my restaurant meals, almost every time I’ve gone out. Yet, almost every time, I hear “Try the fish. Try the pasta. Try… Try… Try…” They know I don’t change, but it bothers them, and they won’t leave me alone. Then, once that moment is passed (and I eat my club sandwich), the evening goes back to normal.

But it happens… every… single… time…

Some people cannot stand or fathom people like me that do not want to “try something new” and they can be quite aggressive in “c’mon, try it.” even though it’s none of their business. I don’t know why. Offends them? Bothers them? They like to stir up trouble? Don’t know, ask them.

Bottom line = we will hear “Try the WvW / PvP.” until the end of time. THEY won’t get it that I’ll never play WvW / PvP. And, apparently, some (many?) others agree with me. But “they” will never accept that.

but being that you dont eat anything but club sandwiches, should you be able to get a special restaurant master tailored suit, being that you have not mastered restaurants? I mean you may like the suit, but if you only want to eat club sandwiches, you are not really a master of all restaurants.

legendary has been built as a semi long term achievement that shows you have taken part in all facets of the game, exploration, pve, pvp, and player versus money. (i think it may be too heavy on the player versus money aspect)

phys.7689:

but being that you dont eat anything but club sandwiches, should you be able to get a special restaurant master tailored suit, being that you have not mastered restaurants? I mean you may like the suit, but if you only want to eat club sandwiches, you are not really a master of all restaurants.

legendary has been built as a semi long term achievement that shows you have taken part in all facets of the game, exploration, pve, pvp, and player versus money. (i think it may be too heavy on the player versus money aspect)

Fair enough, which is why I have ZERO problems with not having a Legendary, despite that the mace precursor (lucked out on a Skritt Burglar, oh, a year ago? ish?) is sitting in my bank, just in case, one day, they change the requisites.

What you said is totally fair and correct. I don’t do the requisites, I don’t get the rewards. (Sidebar = I hate dungeons too. I haven’t done one of them. I do LOVE puttering in the world, doing events, doing zerg like “press 1 and try not to die” world events, doing easy crafting and so on.)

I do, however, have a huge problem with the “come in the water’s fine” insistence on some people (not you, but some) to “you gotta try WvW”; or worse, the ones that demean / insult because I (and others) don’t. You know, the “carebear” posts, and so on.

To reiterate = you are totally right. I don’t deserve a Legendary. I do take issue with some posters board attacks, doubly so because my natural board response and posts would get me insta-banned or worse, but that’s a “me” thing, not a “you” think if that makes sense. I just hate they stay “just inside the line” of board post antagonism, when I SO would cross it to the point Dexter would blanch, but, again, I have issues, hehe.

(Second sidebar = sorry if I’m unclear, English is second language)

I think they should have left it in because getting level 30 is pretty bloody easy and if someone from WvW wants a legendary? They have to do an over the top amount of PvE content so they can make one and that isn’t quite fair. So we have to WvW a little it isn’t that bad you can get 30 levels in two days in EotM there is much stuff flipping back and forth.

The requirement needs to be higher than 30.

People just like to cut corners. Rank 30 is NOTHING. Maybe just buy gems if its such a huge deal to you.

Can’t believe im reading half of these posts, people complaining about:

The small area they have to map complete in WvW. which can be done over time if u really hate WvW that much, just w8 on the color rotation.

WvW rank requirement Seriously aint that much join a Karma train 2-3 days and u got it, quicker with Birthday booster just tag everything in sight. Probably even alot quicker since first few ranks dont need as much WXP per rank up

Badges of Honor, Really? half of the people who complain about this because they love PvE sooooo much, are achievement hunters and will have got loads by now (which would be ur own fault if u binned them), and even so out of them required rank up chests you would have gotten a large portion of what u need anyway, without what u will get on your karma train.

Legendary Weapons are optional, and since I chose the option to have 1, I bit the bullet and:

Had to do the world completion (which took me a long time and is slightly larger than the wvw completion, but still done it with not too much complaints).

Had to do Dungeons which I really hate, (the normal way might I add, because nobody would party with me in speed runs since im geared for WvW and have no knowledge of speed runs), but i had to do it, if i wanted a Legendary.

If you primarily play PvE and want a Legendary trust me when I say “your at more of an advantage than a WvW player,” so stop complaining and good luck on your journey for a Legendary.

Agreed, there should not be a WvW rank requirement for getting a Legendary. They need to understand that some players don’t want to WvW. And for those WvW players that complain about having to do PvE stuff to earn a Legendary, I fully support you in requesting that they add WvW-only options for getting those elements too.

Ohoni.6057:

Agreed, there should not be a WvW rank requirement for getting a Legendary. They need to understand that some players don’t want to WvW. And for those WvW players that complain about having to do PvE stuff to earn a Legendary, I fully support you in requesting that they add WvW-only options for getting those elements too.

Getting a Legendary should require participation in all aspects of the game.

Twinny.9304:

*Legendary Weapons are optional

Not since they became the “skip vertical progression” items.

Astralporing.1957:

Not since they became the “skip vertical progression” items.

Since when were Legendaries the easier option? You can recreate every practical characteristic with an easier option.

I genuinely don’t believe anybody chooses to embark on a Legendary to skip anything. They’re purely, entirely prestige items, like FoW armour in GW1. And if anybody’s treating them otherwise, that’s the problem of those players, not the item.

Astralporing.1957:

Twinny.9304:

*Legendary Weapons are optional

Not since they became the “skip vertical progression” items.

to be honest, i think their implementation of ascended has essentially killed any realistic possibility of gear progression of this type in the future. The time/grind is so large no one would stand for a traditional gear replacement item progression. Its like a month to get 1 stat combinations armor, since that uses up your laurels, another month to get necklace and weapons, even longer if you arent in a guild mission guild.

Future vertical progression will probably have to be charachter growth based and content based if they choose that route in the future.

Neilos Tyrhanos.5427:

Astralporing.1957:

Not since they became the “skip vertical progression” items.

Since when were Legendaries the easier option? You can recreate every practical characteristic with an easier option.

I genuinely don’t believe anybody chooses to embark on a Legendary to skip anything. They’re purely, entirely prestige items, like FoW armour in GW1. And if anybody’s treating them otherwise, that’s the problem of those players, not the item.

not really true, pretty sure legendary costs less than every single stat combination and uses less inventory/transmutation stones. As well as assurance to be best in slot for ever. whereas ascended should be as well , but they havent guaranteed it yet

phys.7689:

not really true, pretty sure legendary costs less than every single stat combination and uses less inventory/transmutation stones. As well as assurance to be best in slot for ever. whereas ascended should be as well , but they havent guaranteed it yet

You carry around every single stat combination, all in highest tier gear?

You’re the first I’ve met to do so (or even to want to), if so.

Even the difference between Exotic and Ascended isn’t that great. Most teams don’t care.

Neilos Tyrhanos.5427:

phys.7689:

not really true, pretty sure legendary costs less than every single stat combination and uses less inventory/transmutation stones. As well as assurance to be best in slot for ever. whereas ascended should be as well , but they havent guaranteed it yet

You carry around every single stat combination, all in highest tier gear?

You’re the first I’ve met to do so (or even to want to), if so.

Even the difference between Exotic and Ascended isn’t that great. Most teams don’t care.

no i dont, but thats the functionality that legendary actually has. If they eventually release legendary everything, you will be able to totally change your build on the fly.

Point is legendaries are kind of different than just one ascended item in value other than cosmetics. Now dont get me wrong, im not saying its a must have, or that for many it isnt worth pursuing, just saying it actually offers some tangible advantages at a cost thats less than the alternative for the same value

ANet obviously wants a Legendary to be a visual representation of a player’s “mastery” of various aspects of the game (although the fact that you can just up and buy a Legendary on the TP kinda negates that). With that in mind, you can be pretty certain that WvW/PvE will continue to be required to make one.

Personally speaking I WOULD like to see players being able to earn a Legendary purely through doing the game mode they enjoy. Some things I would do:

1. Split the Map Completion into PvE and WvW/PvP. Fully mapping one of either gives you one Gift of Exploration, so at the end of the day you still get the same number of Gifts, but you can just stick to the area you enjoy.

2. The various dungeon Gifts can be bought/sold on the TP. (If Precursors and Legendaries can be sold, why not the Gifts? I am a strong believer in everything being able to be sold via the TP.)

CptAurellian.9537:

azizul.8469:

should have been rank 100 to make the weapon worth the legendary status….

And, for consistency, we should add the requirement of a level 50 mossman solo. I mean, if it’s supposed to be legendary …

yup we can do that as well. pls….

Joonks.7501:

Ohoni.6057:

Agreed, there should not be a WvW rank requirement for getting a Legendary. They need to understand that some players don’t want to WvW. And for those WvW players that complain about having to do PvE stuff to earn a Legendary, I fully support you in requesting that they add WvW-only options for getting those elements too.

Getting a Legendary should require participation in all aspects of the game.

Then that would also include sPvP. I could see that if the items actually required legendary accomplishments in all aspects of the game. That they’re crafted, and that they’re available on the TP, removes the lustre, honestly.

If you look at what’s actually required to craft legendary weapons. you’re basically looking at a time sink (unless you use your credit card). Given that the game was (and maybe is) having trouble holding on to players, discouraging WvW-only or PvE-only players from one of the few endgame pursuits may not be best for the game.

Ultimately, though, it’s a gamble ANet is taking. If people get “forced” into a game mode they despise and get converted, this will extend the life of the game for those players. On the flip side, if it were possible to get a legendary without playing in different modes, that might extend the life of the game for those players. ANet is gambling that the former will outnumber the latter — but they’re relying on unreliable criteria to evaluate the gamble.

I’d be all for items that actually conveyed prestige being in the game, and requiring effort and skill to obtain. I do not, however, consider legendary weapons to be such.

I don’t actually have a horse in this race, as I will not be going for one regardless. With a couple of exceptions, they’re hideous.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Joonks.7501:

Ohoni.6057:

Agreed, there should not be a WvW rank requirement for getting a Legendary. They need to understand that some players don’t want to WvW. And for those WvW players that complain about having to do PvE stuff to earn a Legendary, I fully support you in requesting that they add WvW-only options for getting those elements too.

Getting a Legendary should require participation in all aspects of the game.

Then that would also include sPvP. I could see that if the items actually required legendary accomplishments in all aspects of the game. That they’re crafted, and that they’re available on the TP, removes the lustre, honestly.

If you look at what’s actually required to craft legendary weapons. you’re basically looking at a time sink (unless you use your credit card). Given that the game was (and maybe is) having trouble holding on to players, discouraging WvW-only or PvE-only players from one of the few endgame pursuits may not be best for the game.

Ultimately, though, it’s a gamble ANet is taking. If people get “forced” into a game mode they despise and get converted, this will extend the life of the game for those players. On the flip side, if it were possible to get a legendary without playing in different modes, that might extend the life of the game for those players. ANet is gambling that the former will outnumber the latter — but they’re relying on unreliable criteria to evaluate the gamble.

I’d be all for items that actually conveyed prestige being in the game, and requiring effort and skill to obtain. I do not, however, consider legendary weapons to be such.

I don’t actually have a horse in this race, as I will not be going for one regardless. With a couple of exceptions, they’re hideous.

spvp has a different cosmetic progression and is totally seperated from the rest of the game, this may change in the future, but as of now it wouldnt make sense, since practically nothing you do in spvp has anything to do with what goes on elsewhere and vice versa.

PVE/wvw has same rules, same progression, same costs etc

Holion.5604:

If you guys want me to wvw so bad, fine. Don’t blame me when i get bored and waste supplies by placing rams in random places and intentionally snatching seige Golems away from keeps and dumping them into enemy lines.

No.

I would blame you, because it’s your decision to grief and be an absolute kitten to all of your servermates/friends.

In this case, it is not the game design, nor some requirements that are rotten, it is solely you.

So general question to those that are so begrudged to entering WvW for the living story:

How long did you actually spend getting the golem parts? 20 mins?

Compared to WvW players having to spend a significantly larger amount of time going into PVE which they may dislike just as much to get a legendary. Dont turn this game into one which the forums control, mixing it up is important in an mmo I applaud anet for the crossover.

Bubi.7942:

Blade Syphon.4325:

Bubi.7942:

Shpongle.6025:

lmao @ all the nerds arguing thinking arena cares

Did you read the red post?

Fail troll is fail.

I did, but I don’t think you did.

Anet is temporarily removing the rank requirement only because they didn’t accurately explain the new requirement to the player base. Once the rank requirement is gone, you’ll probably have a week or two to get your Gift of Battle before the rank requirement is reinstated.

Of course they might reduce it slightly, but there’s still going to be a rank requirement, which means you will still need to participate in WvW, as the rank requirements removal is not permanent.

1. So what? Still shows they care.

2. Is it even possible to NOT reach rank 30 while exploring WvW?

yes, it’s very easy. You just need, to , you know, explore WvW, instead of running around in the big blob.

Astralporing.1957:

Bubi.7942:

Blade Syphon.4325:

Bubi.7942:

Shpongle.6025:

lmao @ all the nerds arguing thinking arena cares

Did you read the red post?

Fail troll is fail.

I did, but I don’t think you did.

Anet is temporarily removing the rank requirement only because they didn’t accurately explain the new requirement to the player base. Once the rank requirement is gone, you’ll probably have a week or two to get your Gift of Battle before the rank requirement is reinstated.

Of course they might reduce it slightly, but there’s still going to be a rank requirement, which means you will still need to participate in WvW, as the rank requirements removal is not permanent.

1. So what? Still shows they care.

2. Is it even possible to NOT reach rank 30 while exploring WvW?

yes, it’s very easy. You just need, to , you know, explore WvW, instead of running around in the big blob.

extremely easy… got my gift of exploration and I might be rank 1… 2 tops..

Bubi.7942:

2. Is it even possible to NOT reach rank 30 while exploring WvW?

It depends how you go about it. If you go in and actually play WvW and just grab POIs and vistas as your side happens to get them, then you can probably reach rank 30 quicker than getting all the maps done, especially if your server is running weak and stays the same color for a while.

In the last week when SoR has been a ghost town due to EOTM sucking the entire server away, I’ve managed to reach 21 just following around whatever blue tag happened to be on the map, and I only have the red borderlands and maybe 40% of EB, with only a few points around the red corners in the other BLs. I don’t think I’ll see anywhere near full completion until we get swapped around to the other colors eventually.

If your server runs the map nightly and you can go anywhere you want, then maybe exploration would go a lot quicker than the ranks.

Heezdedjim.8902:

Bubi.7942:

2. Is it even possible to NOT reach rank 30 while exploring WvW?

It depends how you go about it. If you go in and actually play WvW and just grab POIs and vistas as your side happens to get them, then you can probably reach rank 30 quicker than getting all the maps done, especially if your server is running weak and stays the same color for a while.

In the last week when SoR has been a ghost town due to EOTM sucking the entire server away, I’ve managed to reach 21 just following around whatever blue tag happened to be on the map, and I only have the red borderlands and maybe 40% of EB, with only a few points around the red corners in the other BLs. I don’t think I’ll see anywhere near full completion until we get swapped around to the other colors eventually.

If your server runs the map nightly and you can go anywhere you want, then maybe exploration would go a lot quicker than the ranks.

generally when I was doing exploration, it was pretty tough to follow the zerg.. it helped get a few spots here and there (hence the rank 1 or 2) but on the whole they stuck to a “pattern” and didn’t really deviate…

Trying to solo map WvW zones is the quickest way to frustration I’ve ever seen in my life unless you pretty regularly do PVP and have builds / gear for it. Since I don’t.. i pretty quickly ruled this option out (after several pretty one-sided masochistic poundings)

so… i waited and observed. I noticed zone color shifts and realized sometimes they coincided to zones I needed mapped so i waited on my server to have control of a zone I needed, then i went in during server off-time when the populations were at the lowest (mornings… mid-day… etc…) and mapped a little bit each time.

annoying to say the least, but it’s over, however, the experience told me pretty clearly I have absolutely zero business in a WvW zone. It’s just not “my thing” and never will be.

Shinzan.2908:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Wrong. GW2 is both PvE and PvP based. Part of the plan ANet had in the beginning was to get GW2 to be an eSport. You can’t win $100,000 from doing just PvE.

GW2 manifesto about WvW

Joining this PvP competition is completely optional, just like it was in the original GW, but if you do compete you’re now going to find that your world welcomes you with open arms.

Quoting the Gw2 manifesto thing doesn’t really hlep you case, because legendary weapons are also completely optional….

From personal experience, I’ve seen that a lot of the animosity in game against PvE people in WvW comes from when they come onto a map, ask if we’re going to cap ponit X any time soon, and then just sit afk somewhere asking every once in a while the same thing (or asking for help to clear the JP of enemies). Most don’t do that, but it only takes a few people doing it to get on peoples nerves. I would bet a lot that on most servers, if you went into WvW, say that you’re new and trying out WvW and ask how you can help, not only will probably get your map completion and ranks MUCH faster, but you might start to actually have some fun

It might be good too that you don’t start off on your home borderland (since it can get really stressful). See if you can get into EBG, or one of the other BLs. If there are forces on those, it might be best to get with that commander. Too often people want to start out in their home borderland, but that one tends to be the most stressful as its often the one getting pushed the hardest and mostly defensive play.

Just some general advice for PvE people that want to try to get some positive experiences with them requiring WvW rank (which they will keep it seems)

From personal experience, I’ve seen that a lot of the animosity in game against PvE people in WvW comes from when they come onto a map, ask if we’re going to cap ponit X any time soon, and then just sit afk somewhere asking every once in a while the same thing (or asking for help to clear the JP of enemies). Most don’t do that, but it only takes a few people doing it to get on peoples nerves. I would bet a lot that on most servers, if you went into WvW, say that you’re new and trying out WvW and ask how you can help, not only will probably get your map completion and ranks MUCH faster, but you might start to actually have some fun

Thankfully I didn’t make that mistake, it was pretty obvious just how futile asking “hey can we go X” would be of the zerg…. seriously next time you’re at the beach, ask the tide to roll in to your liking… see how much good it does.

I was just there for my zone clear, I honestly couldn’t care less about this control or that… IF I happened to be following the zerg to a point then yeah I did some fighting but I can’t say it was ever “fun” and like all PVP things it got pretty old pretty fast and since you can’t exactly ask them to go where you want it also was pretty pointless to bother following the zerg unless they happen to be going your way. Use them for what you can but realize they won’t get you finished.

waiting for server zone control worked… took a while, but it worked. My advice to people who just want to get it over with is to go into EB first and get it done first.. it’s the worst zone to clear. The others you will see your server have control with some degree of regularity but the EB is little more than a maelstrom of fluctuation.

….and for the love of god leave the ‘zerker gear at home, take a stun breaker (or two.. or three) and a run speed booster. You’re there to clear, not fight… speed and the ability to take more than one hit are paramount.

course if you’re there to fight…. follow the zerg til you’re blue in the face.

Legendaries show you touched almost every aspect of the game. It makes sense that if you want to craft one, you must WvW and SPvP. Or, you have to have enough money to buy one off the TP.

Bottom line, Anet should seriously up the requirements for the Gift of Battle to include both higher than rank 30 WvW and some SPvP ranks. If players don’t like WvW and/or SPvP, then they can save up Gold to buy a Legendary from us on the TP.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Legendaries show you touched almost every aspect of the game. It makes sense that if you want to craft one, you must WvW and SPvP. Or, you have to have enough money to buy one off the TP.

Bottom line, Anet should seriously up the requirements for the Gift of Battle to include both higher than rank 30 WvW and some SPvP ranks. If players don’t like WvW and/or SPvP, then they can save up Gold to buy a Legendary from us on the TP.

It makes no sense currently to put legendary progression in spvp, its has a totally different cosmetic progression mechanic that completely works against the other one, too the point you cant even use your real bank in the mists. SPVP is the sectioned off game, it has different rules, different stat combos, different gearing system, different items. In fact if you even want to use a skin in SPVP it becomes a different item type.

it makes zero sense as it is. Perhaps when/if they make some changes, then it will be about whether its a good idea for other reasons, but as is the very systems in place clash with each others existence.

phys.7689:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Legendaries show you touched almost every aspect of the game. It makes sense that if you want to craft one, you must WvW and SPvP. Or, you have to have enough money to buy one off the TP.

Bottom line, Anet should seriously up the requirements for the Gift of Battle to include both higher than rank 30 WvW and some SPvP ranks. If players don’t like WvW and/or SPvP, then they can save up Gold to buy a Legendary from us on the TP.

It makes no sense currently to put legendary progression in spvp, its has a totally different cosmetic progression mechanic that completely works against the other one, too the point you cant even use your real bank in the mists. SPVP is the sectioned off game, it has different rules, different stat combos, different gearing system, different items. In fact if you even want to use a skin in SPVP it becomes a different item type.

it makes zero sense as it is. Perhaps when/if they make some changes, then it will be about whether its a good idea for other reasons, but as is the very systems in place clash with each others existence.

FYI – SPvP is up for a change soon. They want your characters gear (skins) to be more in-line with what you have in PvE. At least, that’s what I’ve heard.

Is’nt WvW a PVX thing that is pve+pvp combined because in order to capture a keep or castle you got to kill an npc to get it because if you keep killing players you capture nothing but get only an RNG related loot bag

JVJD.4912:

Is’nt WvW a PVX thing that is pve+pvp combined because in order to capture a keep or castle you got to kill an npc to get it because if you keep killing players you capture nothing but get only an RNG related loot bag

There is no such thing as PvE+PvP combined (even if devs use such description in their advertisement of WvW content). If it has PvP it is PvP. Period. The only difference is the scale it is on – sPvP is personal/skirmish level, while WvW is on tactical stage.