Guild Wars 2

Well, taking a look at the Edge Of The Mists update, there are a few fatal flaws in this whole thing. Flaw number one, it will pull people from all maps including current wvw players into a zone where ppt does not matter. Two, it gets rid of the queue for the higher ranked (stacked) servers so there is no longer any incentive to leave said server. Three, by pulling players and guilds from the normal wvw maps, the entire scoring system is completely meaningless for any server that does not already constantly queue the normal wvw maps, it does this by taking the already fluctuating amount of people in wvw and exacerbates the fluctuation. For say 2-3 weeks, your server’s wvw guilds hang out in EotM, you drop ranks, they get bored, then it’s karma training and you go back up in rank. Those guilds now have to work for their ppt, no more karma training, and it’s back to EotM, rise and repeat.
I could be totally wrong, but I doubt it. Players will flock to “New and shiny” especially a lot of the wvw players that have been begging for new wvw maps. Let me be the first to congratulate you, ANet, for not listening to your player base.

1. It doesn’t pull them. Instead of sitting afk in a queue, u actually do something while u wait to go to the main wvw. That happened even before for all players including experienced wvw players. So it’s “sitting around” vs “doing something”. Nothing else changed.

2. And that’s a bad thing? i don’t get it. People/Guilds who want to move will only move because they are bored of having the same matchup over and over again. No other rule applies. They will continue moving even after this.

3. Again this is just a replacement for the “queue time” u spent in LA afk. U are not permanently in EoTM…the queue continues and u will be able to enter the main maps. U even get a queue number now as they’ve shown in screenshots of the new system so u will know in how much time u will get in. If it ever fluctuaates it will be in your own interest. Why? Casual players will want to sit in EoTM and not in main wvw because they don’t have to follow strict orders and still can enjoy the wvw part of the game…while the more HC players will queue for the main maps and try to get out of EoTM easier. U actually win.

4. U talk like the same thing wouldn’t happen to the other servers but yours. All things bad/good apply to all servers. It evens out

5. Oh god actually work and not run like a mindless hoard of sheep in a circle around the map? HC WvW palyers/guilds will always discourage karma trains. They want to win fights not races to the next tower. They want to prove their tactics/leadership is better then the other servers. The only time when they decide to do karma trains is when they need to gather the casual players so that they listen to orders or stay with the group. Eliminating karma trains would be a gift to the true wvw HC players (and by this i mean just T1 max T2 servers..honestly the rest of the server are so casual ..they won’t feel any difference between EoTM and WvW)

I think I read somewhere that you will be able to choose to go into the EoTM if you like. Personally if that option is available then I see alot of the people bored of the old wvw maps will just be playing there. Seems like you might get more loot and better map design.

If that option is available then I’d be in there rather then the old maps really.
If that option is not available then it kinda means the LS has a flaw in it.

Either way I do see what the OP is trying to say. I hope the advantages of this outweigh the disadvantages.

EotM is new and shiny, so yes, for a few weeks people will go there rather than the usual maps.

However, despite what people might say about not caring about PPT, people want to win. The regular maps will still get plenty of traffic.

If you are somebody who wants to play on a regular map … and pretty much every WvW guild will as it could be tricky to get everybody in the same EotM … you’ll still very much care about long queue times.

My point was, these are potential flaws that I hope was factored into the design and implementation of EotM. I hope these issues do not come up, I really do, but, seeing how things have been done in the past, I’m not holding my breath. We shall see.,

i think that people who prefer to play in small roaming groups instead of large zergs will prefer to play in EoTM. i personally will probably only play EoTM cause it seems to be better for more solo oriented players like myself.

Rebound.3409:

Casual players will want to sit in EoTM and not in main wvw because they don’t have to follow strict orders and still can enjoy the wvw part of the game…while the more HC players will queue for the main maps and try to get out of EoTM easier.

I do not think this will be the case due to increased loot in WvW and casuals want karma trains and loot. EoTM will be more for small roaming parties due to all the chokes points Big zergs will be at a disadvantage.

Low population wvw servers will bleed to death. Mark my words.

DarkFrost.2847:

Well, taking a look at the Edge Of The Mists update, there are a few fatal flaws in this whole thing. Flaw number one, it will pull people from all maps including current wvw players into a zone where ppt does not matter. Two, it gets rid of the queue for the higher ranked (stacked) servers so there is no longer any incentive to leave said server. Three, by pulling players and guilds from the normal wvw maps, the entire scoring system is completely meaningless for any server that does not already constantly queue the normal wvw maps, it does this by taking the already fluctuating amount of people in wvw and exacerbates the fluctuation. For say 2-3 weeks, your server’s wvw guilds hang out in EotM, you drop ranks, they get bored, then it’s karma training and you go back up in rank. Those guilds now have to work for their ppt, no more karma training, and it’s back to EotM, rise and repeat.
I could be totally wrong, but I doubt it. Players will flock to “New and shiny” especially a lot of the wvw players that have been begging for new wvw maps. Let me be the first to congratulate you, ANet, for not listening to your player base.

Since I consider WvW to be totally broken anyway, the considerations you list are all reasons why I’m looking forward to at least trying EOTM. They are all positive things, in my opinion. I’ve pretty much given up on main map WVW as now being very little more than hit/run zerging of towers and camps … I don’t even see zergs fighting each other very often. It’s unfathomable to me how ANet managed to screw that up so badly compared with what it once was and what it could have been.

My major reservation about EOTM is whether or not enough of the map won’t simply be a place for me to fall to my death.

think about it like this. EotM was made with some ideas and mechanics hashed from the original WvW borderlands and EB for the launch as well as new ideas. If everyone sticks more in EotM than in the normal WvW maps that would promote that the new maps could be implemented for the recreation of the BL maps in WvW. I would love to run into an new Red BL and cap places where the Grawl guards would be replaced by my blue side Kodans as well as other mechanics that would be interesting.

This map seems like a great map for Open World PvP/PvE roaming.

Sirendor.1394:

Low population wvw servers will bleed to death. Mark my words.

We dont need to mark anything, its already happened/happening.

clint.5681:

Sirendor.1394:

Low population wvw servers will bleed to death. Mark my words.

We dont need to mark anything, its already happened/happening.

^this^

I played on Devona’s Rest since launch and resisted leaving even when my guild did, but after several months of almost no viable WvW on that server I finally caved and transferred. The poor way that ANet made zerging gather more rewards than anything else encouraged transfers to high pop servers, but creating Seasons was the final nail in the coffin for the low pop servers … hardly anyone stayed behind after that.

Cactus.2710:

clint.5681:

Sirendor.1394:

Low population wvw servers will bleed to death. Mark my words.

We dont need to mark anything, its already happened/happening.

^this^

I played on Devona’s Rest since launch and resisted leaving even when my guild did, but after several months of almost no viable WvW on that server I finally caved and transferred. The poor way that ANet made zerging gather more rewards than anything else encouraged transfers to high pop servers, but creating Seasons was the final nail in the coffin for the low pop servers … hardly anyone stayed behind after that.

Speaking of DR – We have pulled 2nd place two weeks in a row now and gave AR stern competition this reset. We held first the entire night up until daytime crew went to bed. And as you know, no oceanic presence exists in DR. Haha. Oh well. A third 2nd place won’t hurt anyone.

As well – Again speaking of DR – I definitely see this butchering any chance low pop servers have if this is an option that players can pick. I see Kaineng and DR ticking for 0 PPT very quickly…

ANet has failed to promote community building. their stubbornness in removing free transfers in time, and failure to give incentives for moving to lower tier servers (i dont mean lower xfer fee, but actual ingame REWARDS) has destroyed many server communities. right now the wvw experience is crap on half the servers because the other half is so stacked. and with addition of EOTM, low pop servers will be screwed even more because everyone will just want to “roam”. think about it, if you keep losing the PPT game, you might as well play the new map if the rewards are the SAME.

easy way to fix this is by 1) making the PPT game very lucrative, and 2) giving real incentive (gold, wxp boosts, gear, tokens, commander buffs, etc) to guilds xfering to lower pop servers.

DarkFrost.2847:

a lot of the wvw players that have been begging for new wvw maps. Let me be the first to congratulate you, ANet, for not listening to your player base.

Okay, so you might want to fix this statement here, dude.

You said they didn’t listen to the player base, but you state that they have been begging for a new map… a new map got released… so they did listen to the player base….

Sirendor.1394:

Low population wvw servers will bleed to death. Mark my words.

I’m optimistic about this patch.

I’ve been in the wrong side of onesided match ups where the rest of my server just quit. If that happens after this patch, then I can just go to edge and play there instead of main WvW (joining the queued T1 players and players in other situations like me) because edge has multiple shards and allows players of multiple servers to play together.

DarkFrost.2847:

Two, it gets rid of the queue for the higher ranked (stacked) servers so there is no longer any incentive to leave said server. \

If they haven’t already left by now.. eotm won’t be the reason they stay where they are.

I say it gives people who are ranked low, a chance to fight groups ranked higher (the teams include groups from all tiers). A lot of people don’t care about PPT and the score, and they will enjoy this map a lot.

There are still 4 other maps that count for the score; so if you are worried about your server’s ranking or need that Wxp; you can still go the regular maps.

If you have queues, or want a change of pace; you can go to EotM.

Sounds alright to me.

Chris.3290:

I say it gives people who are ranked low, a chance to fight groups ranked higher

I hadn’t even considered that, there’s gonna be a lot of QQ from T1 players getting rolled by all the “lower rank” players =)

If it has been mentioned my apologies. But with this recent update my server basically has lost alot of players, and the only time i ever see us getting to try this new map is during prime time before and a little after reset.

As Arrow stated above: I think we get a option to choose. I would hope this is true because i would really never get to try out the map seeing how the server im on rarily gets Overflow anymore.

BladeNinja.4671:

If it has been mentioned my apologies. But with this recent update my server basically has lost alot of players, and the only time i ever see us getting to try this new map is during prime time before and a little after reset.

As Arrow stated above: I think we get a option to choose. I would hope this is true because i would really never get to try out the map seeing how the server im on rarily gets Overflow anymore.

The new map is always open to for you to enter, your main WvW does not need to be in overflow.

New map is extremely boring. I think in a short run it will definitely pull many players out of normal WvW maps. But in 2 weeks or even less, when everyone has their achievements the new map will be dead.

Yeah, and the WvW ranking is so important. We simply could not stand not scoring PPT for a whole two weeks, or months on end, or even do without it. Dem bragging rights is serious business!

DarkFrost.2847:

Well, taking a look at the Edge Of The Mists update, there are a few fatal flaws in this whole thing. Flaw number one, it will pull people from all maps including current wvw players into a zone where ppt does not matter. Two, it gets rid of the queue for the higher ranked (stacked) servers so there is no longer any incentive to leave said server. Three, by pulling players and guilds from the normal wvw maps, the entire scoring system is completely meaningless for any server that does not already constantly queue the normal wvw maps, it does this by taking the already fluctuating amount of people in wvw and exacerbates the fluctuation. For say 2-3 weeks, your server’s wvw guilds hang out in EotM, you drop ranks, they get bored, then it’s karma training and you go back up in rank. Those guilds now have to work for their ppt, no more karma training, and it’s back to EotM, rise and repeat.
I could be totally wrong, but I doubt it. Players will flock to “New and shiny” especially a lot of the wvw players that have been begging for new wvw maps. Let me be the first to congratulate you, ANet, for not listening to your player base.

so new map. People on stacked servers flood EoTM and most likely sit in a near empty overflow. Servers actually move around and get matches with different servers. I don’t see bad in this.