Guild Wars 2

darkace.8925:

Person A
“I always took Highway X to get to work. Then one day the city decided to change Highway X to Tollway X. Now I have to pay for the same convenience I used to get for free. Sure, there are other alternative routes to get me to work, but these are far less convenient. I’m not happy with this change.”

Person B
“This isn’t a big deal because I don’t think it’s a big deal. It’s not like you have to take the highway to get to work. Besides, you should be happy to pay the tolls; that money goes to support your local government.”

You’re wasting your breath, many people here feel some strange urge to stick up for a corporation at their own expense. ArenaNet is a business and will continue to do stuff like this until people stop buying the product.

Saturn.6591:

I really should stop reading this thread. It makes me want to facepalm harder than my head would be able to bear. Some people really will put on tinfoil hats and complain about anything, just for the sake of complaining; no matter how ridiculous the “reason” actually is.

IF, and that’s really one big “if”; IF I would really need to run around between bank, TP, mystic forge, dungeon vendors, laurel merchant and guild commendations trader like 100 times in one or two hours… IF that would be the case, it would be faster now than it would have been in LA. This due to shorter distances and less/shorter loading screens.

And now excuse me; I need to convince my hands to not move towards my forehead with increased speed.

You think it’s a conspiracy that a business manufactured a new form of “consumer pain” and immediately released the paid cure to said pain? Inconceivable.

I blame it on Evon Gashblade not Anet, he’s the one who is trying to capitalize on the ruin of LA, Anet was nice enough to give us the free passes while Evon is trying to extract every last copper out of us, I’ll bet he brought the airship in, you saw how he treated the Heal-O-Tron wanting money up-front, he is truly an evil money grubber who should have perished in LA.

Guys from a lore standpoint LA was destroyed. I think it would actually be silly if the playerbase didn’t have any inconvenience or consequence in game to the fact that LA is gone.

Draygo.9473:

Guys from a lore standpoint LA was destroyed. I think it would actually be silly if the playerbase didn’t have any inconvenience or consequence in game to the fact that LA is gone.

The issue isn’t the lack of convenience, it’s the artificially imposed inconvenience and paid gem-store answer ArenaNet immediately created.

It’s morally dubious at best.

Jett.1239:

Draygo.9473:

Guys from a lore standpoint LA was destroyed. I think it would actually be silly if the playerbase didn’t have any inconvenience or consequence in game to the fact that LA is gone.

The issue isn’t the lack of convenience, it’s the artificially imposed inconvenience and paid gem-store answer ArenaNet immediately created.

It’s morally dubious at best.

I don’t see it as morally dubious at all. I also don’t see Lion’s Arch being taken away (either temporarily or permanently) as an inconvenience. I personally found Lion’s Arch to be fairly inconvenient in and of itself.

Jett.1239:

The issue isn’t the lack of convenience, it’s the artificially imposed inconvenience and paid gem-store answer ArenaNet immediately created.

It’s morally dubious at best.

So if there was no airship pass, but just the inconvenience you would be fine with it? Okay ^^

Mirta.5029:

Jett.1239:

The issue isn’t the lack of convenience, it’s the artificially imposed inconvenience and paid gem-store answer ArenaNet immediately created.

It’s morally dubious at best.

So if there was no airship pass, but just the inconvenience you would be fine with it? Okay ^^

Yes.

As it stands, the evidence points to ArenaNet deliberately leaving NPCs out of the “replacement” Lions Arch facility. If your scenario were to occur, then you could attribute their decision to oversight or a desire to get individuals to use the other main city instances.

Jett.1239:

Yes.

As it stands, the evidence points to ArenaNet deliberately leaving NPCs out of the “replacement” Lions Arch facility. If your scenario were to occur, then you could attribute their decision to oversight or a desire to get individuals to use the other main city instances.

So then your complaint is the fact that you can go around minor inconvenience that would still have been caused by buying a pass used to keep a game that has no subscription fee alive?

TChalla.7146:

Jett.1239:

Draygo.9473:

Guys from a lore standpoint LA was destroyed. I think it would actually be silly if the playerbase didn’t have any inconvenience or consequence in game to the fact that LA is gone.

The issue isn’t the lack of convenience, it’s the artificially imposed inconvenience and paid gem-store answer ArenaNet immediately created.

It’s morally dubious at best.

I don’t see it as morally dubious at all. I also don’t see Lion’s Arch being taken away (either temporarily or permanently) as an inconvenience. I personally found Lion’s Arch to be fairly inconvenient in and of itself.

And that’s fair, but objectively a number of users (probably a not insubstantial number) are going to purchase the pass because they miss the amenities Lions Arch offers. Many won’t, but it’s naive to think this decision wasn’t made with the intention of parting some hasty individuals from their cash.

How do you know the intent of Arenanet staff?

Jett.1239:

And that’s fair, but objectively a number of users (probably a not insubstantial number) are going to purchase the pass because they miss the amenities Lions Arch offers. Many won’t, but it’s naive to think this decision wasn’t made with the intention of parting some hasty individuals from their cash.

Same with the armours darling. How do you think this game would survive if they put nothing alluring on the gem store at all?

CrockD.8257:

You can just go to other cities:
Yes, but none of the other cities offer the same level of convenience as Lion’s Arch (in terms of number of services offered and proximity of services to each other, not to mention gate travel) , that’s why LA was consistently the most visited location. If you do a lot of crafting, or are trying to make a legendary or use the BLT a lot you absolutely know what I mean. Time is money and you will be losing a lot of time from this loss of convenience.

You’re right, they don’t add the same level of convenience. They add more. I’ve logged in Divinity’s Reach for over 7 months now and have never 1nce missed LA. Let’s go through all the services that old LA provided:
- Mystic Forge –
at the top spot since this is literally the only thing I could miss in DR. Now if I add and subtract the amount of loading times I’ve saved from not loading into LA every single time I log in… I can live with having to “go there” 1nce every 2 weeks or so.

- Fractal Entrance -
I’m very sure this will find a suitable new “main hub spot” in the near future. Then again ever since the fractal changes I’ve not even managed to go beyond flvl37 (previously for a long time flvl 51) since I’ve lost massive interest and rewards are just not in line with the “fun” (aka stress) of running fractals. Pre changes it was actually fun going through a level 48 run. Now it’s just work (personal opinion, oh and Dredge fractal).

- crafting stations, TP, Bank –
WAY more convenient in some other main cities compared to LA. Especially DR.

- Portals to other cities – o yes, SOOOO important. I’ve literally used these 1nce on every character to get you guessed it: WAYPOINTS. If you seriously use these to get any where in this game you are either hardcore RPing (which is okay, but you are a minority) or you should really learn to manage your time.

- chat hub – valid complaint actually. If you enjoyed the LA chat and spent time talking with people and socializing. This is a downer. Then again you are not the target group for the Captain’s Airship Pass. That place is deserted. So no problem here, wait until a new hub is made.

Lions Arch was the main hub for nothing more because it was designed to make people think it is and for story/lore reasons. All of the capital cities are valid resting/gathering points. LA was just the one used by most people due to lack of desire to actually check which one works best. It certainly was more then substandard for everyday usage/requirements and I haven’t even touched on the horrible subject of loading times on weaker machines.

Then again I check out the Captain’s Airship and I think it’s rubbish. Soulless “everything cramed into a small space” design which doesn’t even have a MF (didn’t see one at least) which would have been the only thing I would have cared about for leaving DR.

Go ahead now, keep screaming “conspiracy” at anet until they recreate a new hub. I for one haven’t even noticed LA getting attacked aside from going there for joining in the Living Story event.

Mirta.5029:

Jett.1239:

Yes.

As it stands, the evidence points to ArenaNet deliberately leaving NPCs out of the “replacement” Lions Arch facility. If your scenario were to occur, then you could attribute their decision to oversight or a desire to get individuals to use the other main city instances.

So then your complaint is the fact that you can go around minor inconvenience that would still have been caused by buying a pass used to keep a game that has no subscription fee alive?

It’s not a complaint so much as an observation, but ArenaNet willfully INTRODUCED a minor inconvenience and IMMEDIATELY offered a paid remedy to said inconvenience. This is shady business practices 101, inevitably some users are going to pay for it.

I am all about paid gem store purchases, but not when they solve an artificial problem.

Your opinion is toxic and will only hurt you/ the player base in the long run.

Draygo.9473:

How do you know the intent of Arenanet staff?

I would have thought it apparent, clearly I’m in the minority.

Mirta.5029:

Jett.1239:

And that’s fair, but objectively a number of users (probably a not insubstantial number) are going to purchase the pass because they miss the amenities Lions Arch offers. Many won’t, but it’s naive to think this decision wasn’t made with the intention of parting some hasty individuals from their cash.

Same with the armours darling. How do you think this game would survive if they put nothing alluring on the gem store at all?

Darling? Please, condescension doesn’t suit you.

I expect them to get by the same way they have since release, if you were curious their earnings report was fantastic. Things like the watchwork mining pick and suspect captain’s pass I can’t support.

Solve a real consumer pain like a “skin wardrobe” and I’ll gladly throw money at it.

Jett.1239:

TChalla.7146:

Jett.1239:

Draygo.9473:

Guys from a lore standpoint LA was destroyed. I think it would actually be silly if the playerbase didn’t have any inconvenience or consequence in game to the fact that LA is gone.

The issue isn’t the lack of convenience, it’s the artificially imposed inconvenience and paid gem-store answer ArenaNet immediately created.

It’s morally dubious at best.

I don’t see it as morally dubious at all. I also don’t see Lion’s Arch being taken away (either temporarily or permanently) as an inconvenience. I personally found Lion’s Arch to be fairly inconvenient in and of itself.

And that’s fair, but objectively a number of users (probably a not insubstantial number) are going to purchase the pass because they miss the amenities Lions Arch offers. Many won’t, but it’s naive to think this decision wasn’t made with the intention of parting some hasty individuals from their cash.

I don’t think it’s naive at all.

Honestly, I think Anet wanted to do something on a grand scale, and what could be more grandiose than blowing up a major place? Now, of the major places to blow up, which one would be the most balanced to blow up? Obviously, it’s the one that has no racial ties to it. Could you imagine the rage that would occur if Divinity’s Reach was the target? Or The Grove? Or Rata Sum?

Lion’s Arch was the target that made the most sense with the least player impact. Most of the amenities of Lion’s Arch were moved to Vigil. The rest can be accessed at any racial city/area/whatever you want to call it. It’s a minor inconvenience for what I think was a great event.

The above is my rationalization for what has transpired. If that makes me naive in anyone’s eyes, that’s fine by me. I’ve been called worse.

Jett.1239:

It’s not a complaint so much as an observation, but ArenaNet willfully INTRODUCED a minor inconvenience and IMMEDIATELY offered a paid remedy to said inconvenience. This is shady business practices 101, inevitably some users are going to pay for it.

I am all about paid gem store purchases, but not when they solve an artificial problem.

Your opinion is toxic and will only hurt you/ the player base in the long run.

Minor problem that would have been in game anyway solved with a ticket that you can get with a drop. It’s a solution for a problem that is only going to be live for a few months. Oh such an inconvenience to go trough a 5 second loading screen!

What I find funny is that people complain about the smallest of things more than they complain about a profession and level boost to 9/10 of the maximum in pay to play MMOs.

TChalla.7146:

Jett.1239:

TChalla.7146:

Jett.1239:

Draygo.9473:

Guys from a lore standpoint LA was destroyed. I think it would actually be silly if the playerbase didn’t have any inconvenience or consequence in game to the fact that LA is gone.

The issue isn’t the lack of convenience, it’s the artificially imposed inconvenience and paid gem-store answer ArenaNet immediately created.

It’s morally dubious at best.

I don’t see it as morally dubious at all. I also don’t see Lion’s Arch being taken away (either temporarily or permanently) as an inconvenience. I personally found Lion’s Arch to be fairly inconvenient in and of itself.

And that’s fair, but objectively a number of users (probably a not insubstantial number) are going to purchase the pass because they miss the amenities Lions Arch offers. Many won’t, but it’s naive to think this decision wasn’t made with the intention of parting some hasty individuals from their cash.

I don’t think it’s naive at all.

Honestly, I think Anet wanted to do something on a grand scale, and what could be more grandiose than blowing up a major place? Now, of the major places to blow up, which one would be the most balanced to blow up? Obviously, it’s the one that has no racial ties to it. Could you imagine the rage that would occur if Divinity’s Reach was the target? Or The Grove? Or Rata Sum?

Lion’s Arch was the target that made the most sense with the least player impact. Most of the amenities of Lion’s Arch were moved to Vigil. The rest can be accessed at any racial city/area/whatever you want to call it. It’s a minor inconvenience for what I think was a great event.

The above is my rationalization for what has transpired. If that makes me naive in anyone’s eyes, that’s fine by me. I’ve been called worse.

Sorry, I didn’t mean to say you were naive! In fact, if not for the “paid” Captain’s pass I agree with you.

It’s unclear if content was left out of Vigil Keep prior to designing the Captain’s pass, but there’s enough uncertainty to make me perceive ArenaNet (in this particular instance) in a poor light. Coming off the watchwork pick I’ve been especially worried.

Jett.1239:

Coming off the watchwork pick I’ve been especially worried.

permanent pickaxes were on the gemstore for a long while now. If you look at buying it with gold it won’t pay off for around what? 10 years? I don’t see why it is so evil to sell convenience for people.

Mirta.5029:

Jett.1239:

It’s not a complaint so much as an observation, but ArenaNet willfully INTRODUCED a minor inconvenience and IMMEDIATELY offered a paid remedy to said inconvenience. This is shady business practices 101, inevitably some users are going to pay for it.

I am all about paid gem store purchases, but not when they solve an artificial problem.

Your opinion is toxic and will only hurt you/ the player base in the long run.

Minor problem that would have been in game anyway solved with a ticket that you can get with a drop. It’s a solution for a problem that is only going to be live for a few months. Oh such an inconvenience to go trough a 5 second loading screen!

What I find funny is that people complain about the smallest of things more than they complain about a profession and level boost to 9/10 of the maximum in pay to play MMOs.

I’m not claiming I’m inconvenienced, you’re missing my point.

I’m suggesting ArenaNet created what some players are going to find an inconvenience (surely you agree some do, though you personally are not), and offered a paid solution to it. This begs the question: did Arenanet willfully leave out vendors, or did they figure out how to monetize AFTER they left out vendors? Not particular inspiring!

Following the Watchwork pick, it sets an especially bad precedent and paves the way for similar anti-consumer gem store purchases down the line. I think we should absolutely high five ArenaNet and buy gem store items when they solve real problems, not ones of their own design.

Jett.1239:

I’m not claiming I’m inconvenienced, you’re missing my point.

I’m suggesting ArenaNet created what some players are going to find an inconvenience (surely you agree some do, though you personally are not), and offered a paid solution to it. This begs the question: did Arenanet willfully leave out vendors, or did they figure out how to monetize AFTER they left out vendors? Not particular inspiring!

Following the Watchwork pick, it sets an especially bad precedent and paves the way for similar anti-consumer gem store purchases down the line. I think we should absolutely high five ArenaNet and buy gem store items when they solve real problems, not ones of their own design.

How is the convenience of an over-priced pick an anti-consumer move exactly?
When the game turns even remotely pay to win, complain then. Now you’re complaining about a pick that won’t pay off for over 10 years and about a 5 second load screen.

TChalla.7146:

Or The Grove? Or Rata Sum?

Only rage it wasn’t done sooner, honestly. People hate the sylvari and I want the asura removed from the game for being insufferable. More insufferable each day.

Lion’s Arch was the target that made the most sense with the least player impact. Most of the amenities of Lion’s Arch were moved to Vigil. The rest can be accessed at any racial city/area/whatever you want to call it. It’s a minor inconvenience for what I think was a great event.

The above is my rationalization for what has transpired. If that makes me naive in anyone’s eyes, that’s fine by me. I’ve been called worse.

That’s not the part people are calling you naive over. They’re calling it naive because of the airship existing at all, even though in one week I have a half dozen passes sitting in my pocket I don’t ever need to use.

I have more passes than quaggan potions, all from bags.

Mirta.5029:

Jett.1239:

Coming off the watchwork pick I’ve been especially worried.

permanent pickaxes were on the gemstore for a long while now. If you look at buying it with gold it won’t pay off for around what? 10 years? I don’t see why it is so evil to sell convenience for people.

I’m not comfortable with gem-store items introducing functionality not available from unpaid/unconverted currencies. Many users said exactly what you said, but now we’ve come to the Captain’s Pass and it reopens the issue all over again.

It’s not like there isn’t a dearth of real problems Anet couldn’t be creating paid solutions to.

Jett.1239:

I’m not comfortable with gem-store items introducing functionality not available from unpaid/unconverted currencies. Many users said exactly what you said, but now we’ve come to the Captain’s Pass and it reopens the issue all over again.

It’s not like there isn’t a dearth of real problems Anet couldn’t be creating paid solutions to.

What functionality is unavailable for you? Can you not get a bunch of pickaxes from a vendor? Can you not use an asura gate and travel to a city hub? What was removed exactly?
And what are these real problems that they could be monetizing with a permission from you?

Mirta.5029:

Jett.1239:

I’m not claiming I’m inconvenienced, you’re missing my point.

I’m suggesting ArenaNet created what some players are going to find an inconvenience (surely you agree some do, though you personally are not), and offered a paid solution to it. This begs the question: did Arenanet willfully leave out vendors, or did they figure out how to monetize AFTER they left out vendors? Not particular inspiring!

Following the Watchwork pick, it sets an especially bad precedent and paves the way for similar anti-consumer gem store purchases down the line. I think we should absolutely high five ArenaNet and buy gem store items when they solve real problems, not ones of their own design.

How is the convenience of an over-priced pick an anti-consumer move exactly?
When the game turns even remotely pay to win, complain then. Now you’re complaining about a pick that won’t pay off for over 10 years and about a 5 second load screen.

I have two issues with the pick, my minor issue is that it opens the slippery slope for superior gem store items (which will be debated forever). My second issue is more concrete in that the pick smacks of double dipping, which I believe is anti-consumer. It targets a group of individuals who were satisfied with their infinite pick, but are now inclined to pick up their “infinite pick+1 now with even more sprockets.”

If there weren’t an abundance of non-questionable items they could be launching I wouldn’t be complaining, why open up your brand to question? Seems kittenty to make a quick buck at the potential expense of consumer good will.

Mirta.5029:

Jett.1239:

I’m not comfortable with gem-store items introducing functionality not available from unpaid/unconverted currencies. Many users said exactly what you said, but now we’ve come to the Captain’s Pass and it reopens the issue all over again.

It’s not like there isn’t a dearth of real problems Anet couldn’t be creating paid solutions to.

What functionality is unavailable for you? Can you not get a bunch of pickaxes from a vendor? Can you not use an asura gate and travel to a city hub? What was removed exactly?
And what are these real problems that they could be monetizing with a permission from you?

Does the company send you a paycheck, or do you just like the way corporate milk tastes?

I’ve answered both of these questions already, we’re going in circles.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

TChalla.7146:

Or The Grove? Or Rata Sum?

Only rage it wasn’t done sooner, honestly. People hate the sylvari and I want the asura removed from the game for being insufferable. More insufferable each day.

Lion’s Arch was the target that made the most sense with the least player impact. Most of the amenities of Lion’s Arch were moved to Vigil. The rest can be accessed at any racial city/area/whatever you want to call it. It’s a minor inconvenience for what I think was a great event.

The above is my rationalization for what has transpired. If that makes me naive in anyone’s eyes, that’s fine by me. I’ve been called worse.

That’s not the part people are calling you naive over. They’re calling it naive because of the airship existing at all, even though in one week I have a half dozen passes sitting in my pocket I don’t ever need to use.

I have more passes than quaggan potions, all from bags.

Since I don’t play every day (shock!), I’ve only had two evenings and all day Sunday to do this event. And I think I have a dozen of the one-time passes that’ll probably never be used, simply because I personally don’t like the airship and don’t really find it convenient at all.

I won’t get into the Royal Terrace vs. Airship debate because I’ve never been in the Royal Terrace, so I can’t say much about it. If it’s anything like the airship, though, I’ll never buy a Royal Terrace pass either. I’m perfectly content with Divinity’s Reach for pretty much everything I need to do.

Jett.1239:

I have two issues with the pick, my minor issue is that it opens the slippery slope for superior gem store items (which will be debated forever). My second issue is more concrete in that the pick smacks of double dipping, which I believe is anti-consumer. It targets a group of individuals who were satisfied with their infinite pick, but are now inclined to pick up their “infinite pick+1 now with even more sprockets.”

If there weren’t an abundance of non-questionable items they could be launching I wouldn’t be complaining, why open up your brand to question? Seems kittenty to make a quick buck at the potential expense of consumer good will.

There is a calculation that in order to make your pick worth it you would have to stand on an ever respawning node for friggin years. Not wroth it.

In my opinion the brand was not opened to question. You’re being overly paranoid. And hell you can always vote with your wallet and leave for an MMO that does it better.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Only rage it wasn’t done sooner, honestly. People hate the sylvari and I want the asura removed from the game for being insufferable. More insufferable each day.

Everyone has their own preferences. I love asura and find humans too boring to exist in the game world. But neither of us has written the lore so it’s not our decisions.

Jett.1239:

Does the company send you a paycheck, or do you just like the way corporate milk tastes?

I’ve answered both of these questions already, we’re going in circles.

I just don’t like legit businesses being under attack. I could show you pay to win and I could show you laws being broken in the corporate game world, but you rather attack a business making money out of harmless items.

Hey, i’m not going to read through 5 pages of complaining since I know i’ve already seen it 100000 times so far since the start of this event. All I’m going to say is this: You know what I’ve enjoyed using since the start of this event? The Airship. Know how i keep getting in there to use it? Airship passes that DROP FROM BAGS FROM DOING THE EVENT. Seriously, can this be a non-issue already? Please.

I’ve played those games too, and in general I avoid them because I dislike pay2win — we could get into an even lengthier debate about what constitutes “pay2win” in a game that focuses on horizontal progression, but I imagine we’d not change our opinion or be any happier.

I personally don’t consider the creation of artificial consumer pain a legitimate business practice. You might not believe it’s a legitimate pain, but I’m sure ArenaNet has sold at least one pass as the result of artificial pain they introduced — I think that’s kittenty.

ArenaNet isn’t treading on pay2win (again, arguable depending on how you define pay2win), they’re working the questionable micro-transaction invest-2-play business model that mobile gaming is heading towards. Bonus feature paid items (like the pick) are indicative of this and something I hope they avoid in the future.

PookieDaWombat.6209:

Hey, i’m not going to read through 5 pages of complaining since I know i’ve already seen it 100000 times so far since the start of this event. All I’m going to say is this: You know what I’ve enjoyed using since the start of this event? The Airship. Know how i keep getting in there to use it? Airship passes that DROP FROM BAGS FROM DOING THE EVENT. Seriously, can this be a non-issue already? Please.

And had you managed to communicate that to the hordes of people that bought the paid pass and have set the precedent “this is ok”, it would be a non-issue.

Jett.1239:

ArenaNet isn’t treading on pay2win (again, arguable depending on how you define pay2win), they’re working the questionable micro-transaction invest-2-play business model that mobile gaming is heading towards. Bonus feature paid items (like the pick) are indicative of this and something I hope they avoid in the future.

When the opposition to it is a really small percentage you would probably have a better chance trying to find a new perfect MMO than hoping that a similar item will never be on the gem store again.

If hordes of people paid real money for such a pass when it was frankly unnecessary in the first place, then they obviously wanted a 100% assurance that they would get in no matter what, and to them i say, sure have fun. Its their money to spend as they please.

See, i don’t need to ever open a BLC, and can go ahead and sell my almost 250 stack of them. i can also decide to buy some keys to see what i might get. That is my right as a consumer. Anet offers X and i decide if i want to buy it. If not, then I don’t. It doesn’t take anything away from the game for me, nor does buying anything give me some distinct “edge”. It just doesn’kittens

like me getting upset with Valve for selling some weapon in TF2 in their store. So what? Someone wants to buy something they can craft or get from a random drop then so be it. More power to them.

Mirta.5029:

Jett.1239:

ArenaNet isn’t treading on pay2win (again, arguable depending on how you define pay2win), they’re working the questionable micro-transaction invest-2-play business model that mobile gaming is heading towards. Bonus feature paid items (like the pick) are indicative of this and something I hope they avoid in the future.

When the opposition to it is a really small percentage you would probably have a better chance trying to find a new perfect MMO than hoping that a similar item will never be on the gem store again.

I think Guildwars2 is a good game with a solid engine, I question the business behind the gem store. They’re clearly maximizing their return on effort, but I think it leads to poopy gem-store items and I think we deserve better.

I’m raising a fuss about the Captain’s pass because it solves a problem you didn’t have yesterday. “You” refers to those individuals who buy it, as you personally have made abundantly clear you’re above the mild inconvenience.

Actually, it doesn’t get much easier than hitting “b” and going to your borderlands. That is assuming it’s not queued. Everything’s there, albeit a bit scattered. Definitely not as good since you’re also just taking up a spot in WvW.

I think the ship deal is pretty much the same as the queens pass. People weren’t thrilled about that either and if memory serves me, you could only get those out of BLKs or buy them outright.

I’m still of the mind that not putting the crafting stations in and the laurel vendor was really a move to get people to buy the passes (or covet the dropped ones enough to want to buy a perma one). We all know people love convenience items.

PookieDaWombat.6209:

If hordes of people paid real money for such a pass when it was frankly unnecessary in the first place, then they obviously wanted a 100% assurance that they would get in no matter what, and to them i say, sure have fun. Its their money to spend as they please.

See, i don’t need to ever open a BLC, and can go ahead and sell my almost 250 stack of them. i can also decide to buy some keys to see what i might get. That is my right as a consumer. Anet offers X and i decide if i want to buy it. If not, then I don’t. It doesn’t take anything away from the game for me, nor does buying anything give me some distinct “edge”. It just doesn’kittens

like me getting upset with Valve for selling some weapon in TF2 in their store. So what? Someone wants to buy something they can craft or get from a random drop then so be it. More power to them.

There’s not really a point in arguing if you really hold that opinion. Future content for the gem-store hinges on sales for current gem-store items, supporting the creation and solution of artificial problems (Captains Pass) logically leads to more of that being on the gem store.

It’s your right as a consumer to push back and claim that you want more for your money — it isn’t entitlement, it’s the very essence of a buyer-seller relationship. I think we, the playerbase of GuildWars2, deserve better than this. Agree or disagree, but supporting content like this begets content like this.

Jett.1239:

I think we deserve better.

We don’t deserve anything besides the game that we payed money for and bought.

DarcShriek.5829:

Mirta.5029:

Oranisagu.3706:

yes, laugh at others peoples concerns, they do not deserve to have fun or be heard, their opinion is different from yours and thus invalid.
I mean really, it doesn’t bug you, great for you, have fun, others have other priorities and some seem to feel betrayed, when this happens to you in a future patch, do you want others to act as immature as you do here?

With clientèle being insulted over the smallest of things it’s clear that developers should not develop an MMO. Because MMO is always changing. And every time when you change something you have such a negative percentage talking about being “betrayed”.

If I was in charge of developing an MMO, I would never allow my developers to read the forums attached to it. I would hire communtiy managers whose sole function is to filter the information. If I found anyone involved in the actual development of the project on the forum, I would consider it grounds for dismissal.

That’s harsh. Besides, if that were the case we wouldn’t have Josh coming on to talk to us about SAB, and that would be no fun.

Mirta.5029:

Jett.1239:

I think we deserve better.

We don’t deserve anything besides the game that we payed money for and bought.

Your opinion is a pretty common one, but I’ve never seen it outside of internet forums. You do realize the entire buying and selling process is a negotiation, right? Do you have any concept of how the economy functions or companies determine price?

Consumer expectations are a huge portion of pricing, if we collectively decrease our willingness to pay for kittenty content, guess what, the content is going to change.

Buying and selling is a negotiation, and I’m suggesting we step our game up and push back on what they’re trying to feed us. Alternatively, enough negative PR could always have the effect on them determining it’s not cost effective.

Cyninja.2954:

- Portals to other cities – o yes, SOOOO important. I’ve literally used these 1nce on every character to get you guessed it: WAYPOINTS. If you seriously use these to get any where in this game you are either hardcore RPing (which is okay, but you are a minority) or you should really learn to manage your time.

Now hold on there. I do this all the time. It’s not for RP, not time management. I have plenty of time to do what I like, which is why I use the portals. Loading is short and I’m a massively cheap kitten. If I can use the portals for a free trip I’d rather do that than waypoint.

Incidentally it is now more convenient to do this in Vigil’s Keep than it was in LA. Especially if using the Mists first. The Mists drop you in the same area will ALL of the portals. So you no longer have to zone into LA, then waypoint, which is far enough away that it will probably require another zone, then portal for another zone. You just Mist, portal, portal.

Jett.1239:

Buying and selling is a negotiation, and I’m suggesting we step our game up and push back on what they’re trying to feed us. Alternatively, enough negative PR could always have the effect on them determining it’s not cost effective.

enough negative PR would only shut down the game. And what would that achieve?
If you don’t want something, don’t buy it. I’m sure plenty of other people will. Other than that you deserve nothing except for the base content that was there when you bought the game and you are not entitled to anything.

Jett.1239:

PookieDaWombat.6209:

Hey, i’m not going to read through 5 pages of complaining since I know i’ve already seen it 100000 times so far since the start of this event. All I’m going to say is this: You know what I’ve enjoyed using since the start of this event? The Airship. Know how i keep getting in there to use it? Airship passes that DROP FROM BAGS FROM DOING THE EVENT. Seriously, can this be a non-issue already? Please.

And had you managed to communicate that to the hordes of people that bought the paid pass and have set the precedent “this is ok”, it would be a non-issue.

Maybe they didn’t know. I’ll accept that. But I know for a fact that some of them did know. Just like they knew about continue coins in SAB. That didn’t stop me from buying an infinite continue coin, because I liked SAB and I liked the convenience. Some people who earned free passes still bought passes.

Does that make it consumerist and wrong? Or does it make it a legitimate product that people are happy to throw their money at and are not worried about the “implications” of?

For those people that jumped head long into the pass without even thinking of anything else or learning of anything else. I have no sympathy. They could not have been helped and in my opinion don’t deserve to be helped. No more so than Black Friday shoppers.

If Anet would have removed a feature that after removing it would only be accessible through buying something in the gem store then I think it would be a legitimate complaint, but that’s not what they did, it isn’t the only option, it was redundant because everything can still be accessed from other sources/cities. What Anet did was destroy LA giving us one of the best releases content-wise for 2014, a minor inconvenience in our habit of using LA as a hub of activities is really not a issue to anyone who is enjoying the content, adding a pass in the gem store that can be purchased with RL money or in game monies was to be expected because people will buy them, if they had not offered the pass people would be kittened off about that too.

Mirta.5029:

Jett.1239:

Buying and selling is a negotiation, and I’m suggesting we step our game up and push back on what they’re trying to feed us. Alternatively, enough negative PR could always have the effect on them determining it’s not cost effective.

enough negative PR would only shut down the game. And what would that achieve?
If you don’t want something, don’t buy it. I’m sure plenty of other people will. Other than that you deserve nothing except for the base content that was there when you bought the game and you are not entitled to anything.

I feel like you’re being disingenuous, but I’m not sure.

“Entitlement” or “I deserve” are alternative ways of framing expectations, and expectations in turn drive demand. If we collectively believe we deserve gem store updates that don’t solve artificial problems, chances are good we’ll see “better” gem store content.

Companies make market reactions to PR literally every day, this doesn’t require them to shut down — what in the world are you talking about, mind the hyperbole.

Jett.1239:

Mirta.5029:

Jett.1239:

Yes.

As it stands, the evidence points to ArenaNet deliberately leaving NPCs out of the “replacement” Lions Arch facility. If your scenario were to occur, then you could attribute their decision to oversight or a desire to get individuals to use the other main city instances.

So then your complaint is the fact that you can go around minor inconvenience that would still have been caused by buying a pass used to keep a game that has no subscription fee alive?

It’s not a complaint so much as an observation, but ArenaNet willfully INTRODUCED a minor inconvenience and IMMEDIATELY offered a paid remedy to said inconvenience. This is shady business practices 101, inevitably some users are going to pay for it.

I am all about paid gem store purchases, but not when they solve an artificial problem.

Your opinion is toxic and will only hurt you/ the player base in the long run.

It’s not shady. It would be shady if you were forced to buy it. You’re not forced. I have 3 two week passes and have yet to use one. It’s easier to defend Anet’s business practices on this issue, than it is to support your hyperbole.

Jett.1239:

Mirta.5029:

Jett.1239:

Buying and selling is a negotiation, and I’m suggesting we step our game up and push back on what they’re trying to feed us. Alternatively, enough negative PR could always have the effect on them determining it’s not cost effective.

enough negative PR would only shut down the game. And what would that achieve?
If you don’t want something, don’t buy it. I’m sure plenty of other people will. Other than that you deserve nothing except for the base content that was there when you bought the game and you are not entitled to anything.

I feel like you’re being disingenuous, but I’m not sure.

“Entitlement” or “I deserve” are alternative ways of framing expectations, and expectations in turn drive demand. If we collectively believe we deserve gem store updates that don’t solve artificial problems, chances are good we’ll see “better” gem store content.

Companies make market reactions to PR literally every day, this doesn’t require them to shut down — what in the world are you talking about, mind the hyperbole.

After reading your posts, I find it laughable that you would urge others to mind the hyperbole.

DarcShriek.5829:

Jett.1239:

Mirta.5029:

Jett.1239:

Buying and selling is a negotiation, and I’m suggesting we step our game up and push back on what they’re trying to feed us. Alternatively, enough negative PR could always have the effect on them determining it’s not cost effective.

enough negative PR would only shut down the game. And what would that achieve?
If you don’t want something, don’t buy it. I’m sure plenty of other people will. Other than that you deserve nothing except for the base content that was there when you bought the game and you are not entitled to anything.

I feel like you’re being disingenuous, but I’m not sure.

“Entitlement” or “I deserve” are alternative ways of framing expectations, and expectations in turn drive demand. If we collectively believe we deserve gem store updates that don’t solve artificial problems, chances are good we’ll see “better” gem store content.

Companies make market reactions to PR literally every day, this doesn’t require them to shut down — what in the world are you talking about, mind the hyperbole.

After reading your posts, I find it laughable that you would urge others to mind the hyperbole.

Nothing I’ve said is remotely hyperbole, manufacturing consumer pain and peddling the solution is shady even if you only trick a few people.

Paying for convenience is exactly the kind of thing we should have as a gem store item. Buying the pass only gets you services you can get elsewhere in the game for free (in an area that isn’t even well designed compared to free areas like Rata Sum). You don’t have to have it to be successful in the game.

Realistically, new/inexperienced players are not going to buy it because it’s a significant cash investment for a game they’re not committed to. Very new players are entirely unaffected by the current situation because the game doesn’t even lead you to Lion’s Arch in any capacity until you’re about level 25. Long-time/experienced players are the ones who will buy it, if they do, and they know other crafting areas exist in the game. Any economic advantage gained from not having to waypoint to another city to craft (and you had to waypoint to your chosen city to craft before anyway, and no one whined about the pavilion…) is offset by the fact that you would gain way more by converting the gems to gold than you would make over the duration by crafting items.

“Manufacturing consumer pain and peddling the solution” is exactly how every business operates. A basic principle of advertising is to create a need in the mind of the consumer, then show your product and how it fulfills that need. I have no idea why you think this is shady when most Westernized countries depend on this effect for their survival.

Alcyone.8695:

Paying for convenience is exactly the kind of thing we should have as a gem store item. Buying the pass only gets you services you can get elsewhere in the game for free (in an area that isn’t even well designed compared to free areas like Rata Sum). You don’t have to have it to be successful in the game.

Realistically, new/inexperienced players are not going to buy it because it’s a significant cash investment for a game they’re not committed to. Very new players are entirely unaffected by the current situation because the game doesn’t even lead you to Lion’s Arch in any capacity until you’re about level 25. Long-time/experienced players are the ones who will buy it, if they do, and they know other crafting areas exist in the game. Any economic advantage gained from not having to waypoint to another city to craft (and you had to waypoint to your chosen city to craft before anyway, and no one whined about the pavilion…) is offset by the fact that you would gain way more by converting the gems to gold than you would make over the duration by crafting items.

“Manufacturing consumer pain and peddling the solution” is exactly how every business operates. A basic principle of advertising is to create a need in the mind of the consumer, then show your product and how it fulfills that need. I have no idea why you think this is shady when most Westernized countries depend on this effect for their survival.

Let’s follow this up with touching on the watch work pick. Those people who complained because it was an infinite +1 and made theirs obsolete? I honestly feel they are the scrub consumer every company loves to take advantage of. Now realistically, it feels to me more aimed at those who were on the fence already about buying it, and this is an extra incentive to finally get one. Let’s face it, some scrubs getting sprockets will never harm the economy in significant fashion. I bought an infinite pick, and until the Super mining pick of extra orichalcum comes out, I’m just fine.