Guild Wars 2

Since the election I’ve remained a strong Kiel supporter. But now with everything that has happened and the dialogue with Evon Nashblade in Vigil keep. I’m seriously regretting voting for her.

tl;dr Living story season 2. Rise of Evon! plz

Yeah I was always more partial to Kiel but now I must say Evon is looking a lot more reasonable.

With Kiel conscripting Evon, I’m sure she means well (and probably sees that it’s the only way to get him to help the war effort without him profiting immensely), it still really comes across as a big “kitten you” from her.

If you follow the rescue of the dolyaks inside Lions Arch under attack, you will see how much of a jerk Evon is.

Yeah Kiel’s a bit of a jerk too, but he’s far worse, hehe

And now he’s also corrupting poor, innocent Heal-O-Tron….

Morfedel.4165:

And now he’s also corrupting poor, innocent Heal-O-Tron….

Perhaps that was Anet’s objective all along. Tron is the personal nemesis we been searching for, cleverly hidden in plain sight. He has endeared himself to so many, only to crush their spirits with the revelation of his true programming. Ah I’m just kidding the little golem incapable of being a nemesis.

Morfedel.4165:

If you follow the rescue of the dolyaks inside Lions Arch under attack, you will see how much of a jerk Evon is.

Yeah Kiel’s a bit of a jerk too, but he’s far worse, hehe

And now he’s also corrupting poor, innocent Heal-O-Tron….

It’s not Evon’s fault that random citizens cower right next to a portal. Seriously, get some courage and run to the portal…

What the heck is Evon gonna do? He’s unarmed. At least he has the courage to save his employees/dolyaks.

Vol.7601:

It’s not Evon’s fault that random citizens cower right next to a portal. Seriously, get some courage and run to the portal…

When you’ve got bricks in your pants, running requires a little encouragement.

Well, the Lionguard need supplies, Evon has them, and they don’t have the wealth to purchase everything they need in the emergency, so Kiel’s order was pretty reasonable given the situation.

Though, now Evon’s doing something awesome with Heal-o-Tron for free[despite it probably ending in his ultimate profit], hooking him up with some Hero-Tron gadgets and gismos.

Nilkemia.8507:

Yeah, except that Evon also apparently guessed the attack would come and did nothing to help prepare for it, not even secretly or on his own. He’s also not wasting any time badmouthing her and Magnus in particular over it while they’re trying to at least do something about the refugees.

Still…the Council’s to blame for not preparing more adequately in the end.

This. He is badmouthing them, using the disaster for his own gain. You talk to a survivor in the bloodtide coast camp and he outright says “Watch, Evon Gnashblade will use this to drive everybody else out of business.”

Yeah, if you talked to him before he mentioned LA was weak and it’s defenses need reinforced, but outside of that you NEVER saw him doing anything. Kiel on the other hand, was trying to convince the Council to bolster the defenses for a while, especially after the investigations. Even after the Council went “Ha ha, Scarlet won’t attack us so soon!” Kiel worked to do what she could.

As said, Kiel is out there fighting (She uses her airship to evac Canach and the Sheriff), Evon is whining and badmouthing her in Vigil Keep. Ingame I saw somebody go “He’d have protected LA, he’d be fighting.” and I instantly went to reply with “Nope, he’d be out here sipping Tea in safety.”

Evon has ALWAYS been a bit suspicious to me, not to the point of evil but he’s putting himself first over everybody else. If he truly was so awesome, he wouldn’t be grumbling about ‘being robbed blind’ and instead be donating those weapons and armor willingly.

Heard ingame somebody calling Kiel trashy and more fitting for human activist groups, but they never once actually gave reason for thinking that.

edit: Even him agreeing to give Heal-o-tron the upgraded chassis and projector comes off as a “I’m doing this for me. This might impress/get notice from the council, so yeah we can figure this out.”

Kalavier.1097:

Yeah, if you talked to him before he mentioned LA was weak and it’s defenses need reinforced, but outside of that you NEVER saw him doing anything. Kiel on the other hand, was trying to convince the Council to bolster the defenses for a while, especially after the investigations. Even after the Council went “Ha ha, Scarlet won’t attack us so soon!” Kiel worked to do what she could.

At the risk of being coldhearted, I have to ask: Why should he?

You see, we didn’t elect him to the Council. Nor did we elect Kiel. Our votes influenced who the Zepherites would make their trade agreement with, and that’s it. It was the Council that chose who the new member would be, they simply decided to say that the one that one the trade agreement would likely be the one they chose.

So, not only did Kiel (and the rest of the Council, as she was working under their orders) step into his professional area and swipe some business out from under him, they then declared that Kiel was the one best suited for the Council position. They made their choice, clear as day.

Kiel’s shown that she’ll gladly take credit for other people’s actions. Evon would have to be nuts to spend his own resources trying to prepare Lion’s Arch for the attack, knowing that it would be seen as a victory for Kiel in the end and he’d be forgotten. There’s something to be said for letting them fail and face the blame. Unfortunately, Kiel’s now drafted Evon, and is basically robbing him under threat of execution and confiscation of not only his own wealth, but everything in the trading posts. And she’s taking not just his money, but also anything she wants from the market. So, that sword or helm you’re trying to sell? Hers now. He coughs it up if asked for, or he’s executed.

I very much doubt that Kiel or the Captains’ Council will be willing to pay him back for any of it (much less all of it) when this is all over. I also wonder how well YOUR characters would take it if they were told they have to give up their wealth to Lion’s Arch or be executed, just because the leaders of the city were so chronically stupid.

I don’t think you can really blame Evon for not doing more to bolster LA’s defenses. To upgrade any defenses he’d have to go through the council and seeing as how Kiel, a member of the council, couldn’t even convince them it was a good idea, Evon probably wouldn’t even be given an audience. Plus he’s still rather bitter about the election and probably just doesn’t want much to do with the council these days.

It’s a shame Kiel is antagonizing Evon with this conscription business, despite their history they seem to be playing the part of “only sane man” in regards to the rest of the council. I think if they were both on the council LA would be a lot better off.

Well, to be honest, Evon is acting like an kitten :P

Palador.2170:

Kiel’s shown that she’ll gladly take credit for other people’s actions. Evon would have to be nuts to spend his own resources trying to prepare Lion’s Arch for the attack, knowing that it would be seen as a victory for Kiel in the end and he’d be forgotten. There’s something to be said for letting them fail and face the blame. Unfortunately, Kiel’s now drafted Evon, and is basically robbing him under threat of execution and confiscation of not only his own wealth, but everything in the trading posts. And she’s taking not just his money, but also anything she wants from the market. So, that sword or helm you’re trying to sell? Hers now. He coughs it up if asked for, or he’s executed.

I very much doubt that Kiel or the Captains’ Council will be willing to pay him back for any of it (much less all of it) when this is all over. I also wonder how well YOUR characters would take it if they were told they have to give up their wealth to Lion’s Arch or be executed, just because the leaders of the city were so chronically stupid.

When has Kiel taken credit from the players? I’ve done every living story and I don’t recall seeing that once.

Instead of acting as if this is a vendetta against Evon, why not view it in the sense of retaking LA. Again, if he was so awesome, why isn’t he going about how they did nothing to prepare, but here he is, outfitting the Lionguard and other soldiers freely and of his own accord, doing his part to help retake the city.

Instead he’s sitting there kittening and whining.

Riot Inducer.8964:

I don’t think you can really blame Evon for not doing more to bolster LA’s defenses. To upgrade any defenses he’d have to go through the council and seeing as how Kiel, a member of the council, couldn’t even convince them it was a good idea, Evon probably wouldn’t even be given an audience. Plus he’s still rather bitter about the election and probably just doesn’t want much to do with the council these days.

It’s a shame Kiel is antagonizing Evon with this conscription business, despite their history they seem to be playing the part of “only sane man” in regards to the rest of the council. I think if they were both on the council LA would be a lot better off.

He could’ve been wandering the streets warning the citizens, telling them to arm themselves and be prepared incase an attack came. Instead he paced around his business musing and whining about Kiel winning the election. Not once was he publicly shown to speak out toward the Council that I saw.

It’s only antagonizing given how he basically came across as refusing to help the lionguard retake the city and seemed more then happy to sit in his corner, badmouth and whine about Kiel and Magnus, and do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING productive.

All in all, Kiel is actually out there doing something with Magnus, Evon is sitting around whining.

In terms of politics, who looks better? The person out there wading the muck to help with cleaning the rivers, or the person who sits on the shoreline going on and on about “He warned them this would happen. kitten idiots never listened to me!” but otherwise doing nothing.

Also the fact in the election set, Evon goes to the massive piles of gold and loot, he keeps them for himself. Kiel sees them, she sends it back to LA to be returned to the rightful owners.

Overall, this kitten is blamed on the council refusing to listen. Even then, Evon isn’t doing much to actually help out.

Morrigan.2809:

She is fighting and he is whining in Vigil Keep

Team Kiel forever

And who’s fault is it that there are even any refugees? Scarlet’s. And who’s fault is it that Lion’s Arch was destroyed almost without a fight? Kiel’s. Kiel should be put to death for every life she lost.

With Evon’s uncanny ability to acquire goods and equipment from the enemy themselves and turn it around for profit, I’m sure he’d have been able to implode Scarlet’s plans from the inside long ago had he the resources of the council as well. After all, dead customers aren’t paying customers.

Morsus.5106:

Morrigan.2809:

She is fighting and he is whining in Vigil Keep

Team Kiel forever

And who’s fault is it that there are even any refugees? Scarlet’s. And who’s fault is it that Lion’s Arch was destroyed almost without a fight? Kiel’s. Kiel should be put to death for every life she lost.

Nah Kiel was actually trying, it’s the rest of the council that should be paying for the supplies for the liongaurd and refugees instead of extorting from Evon.

A bit of a B.A.? I agree. I had to laugh at Evon’s predicament and whiney attitude. Even sweeter to hear that Kiel was the one to conscript him.

But you say extortion, I say “pirates”.

Well, ex-pirates, but you get my meaning.

Keil is just your typical democrat, spend other people’s money to make yourself look good!

Palador.2170:

At the risk of being coldhearted, I have to ask: Why should he?

Your post basically illustrates why. Someone who is deserving of a leadership position should care about the common good of the people who entrust him. This shows that he cares more about himself than the good of the people of Lion’s Arch and that makes him a terrible potential leader. A good leader is always someone who genuinely cares about the people, whether he is in a position of leadership over them, or he isn’t.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Keil is just your typical democrat, spend other people’s money to make yourself look good!

Kiel is the one who’s out there killing the threats to our nations. Evon puts business above the freedom and welfare of the people. I don’t see how you could really compare Kiel to a typical American democrat.

Elricht Kaltwind.8796:

Palador.2170:

At the risk of being coldhearted, I have to ask: Why should he?

Your post basically illustrates why. Someone who is deserving of a leadership position should care about the common good of the people who entrust him. This shows that he cares more about himself than the good of the people of Lion’s Arch and that makes him a terrible potential leader. A good leader is always someone who genuinely cares about the people, whether he is in a position of leadership over them, or he isn’t.

Exactly what I’ve been saying and thinking. He’s using this for himself, nothing more. He could give a rat’s kitten about LA or anybody in it as long as he isn’t making money(Making money, then he cares so much as the profit margin is). The other merchants know this. One in bloodtide (I’ve said it before) outright goes “Watch Evon use this to drive EVERYBODY else out of business”.

I think you guys are largely forgetting the premise upon which politics in LA has always been founded since it’s rebuilding: mercantilism and piracy. They do good things for the city because it, in-turn, benefits them. It’s why LA has a bank, and why it has a lot of things that we now take for granted (lore-wise). Of course Evon would be self-serving as a leader on the council, he bloody well should be. In looking out for himself, he’d have fought to look out for everyone else because that would be in his best financial interests. Because he’s not on the council, though, things are very different and he is neither obligated to support the city nor should he care. He is trying to tear Kiel down for her failing and wants to get himself on the council so he can turn the financial distress Kiel is causing him into financial gain, which simultaneously would help Lion’s Arch out a lot. It’s a whole different world in LA compared to real world politics, and to treat them or the leaders the same is naive (don’t be naive!).

This isn’t the U S of A we’re talking about, this is the L A. Please remember that crucial distinction.

Then why do other merchants and caravan people feel like he is going to purposefully drive them out of business and ruin their profits?

Kalavier.1097:

Then why do other merchants and caravan people feel like he is going to purposefully drive them out of business and ruin their profits?

Because they’d do the same to him given half a chance? Because he was saying that Scarlet was going to attack, and nobody (including those merchants) believed him? So, he’s likely got a backup plan, and they don’t. Now they’re hosed and they know that in his shoes they’d press forward and clean up as much as they can.

Who was he telling? He told the player ONLY if they talked to him a bit (wasn’t the first thing he said). He never was shown to wander the city talking about the threat or go to the council.

Can we truly say he warned them, or that it may be more of a plow for popular support/ruin Kiel and Magnus by bashing them and acting as if he had been telling them all along to fortify the city?

If he told only us, but we didn’t tell Kiel or the rest of the council, then what does that make us?

Kalavier.1097:

In terms of politics, who looks better? The person out there wading the muck to help with cleaning the rivers, or the person who sits on the shoreline going on and on about “He warned them this would happen. kitten idiots never listened to me!” but otherwise doing nothing.

Depends if you’re republican.

Evon is what politicians truly are like, and I love it. He’s not sweet talking, he says what he thinks and wants, he even said that he hoped for Kiel to be dead.

I still want him to be my president.

I doubt the outcome would have been different if Kiel lost. Gnashblade would probably be hiding somewhere complaining about how the Liongaurd screwed everything up while Kiel would be doing her best with very little impact.

Inelastic.1430:

I doubt the outcome would have been different if Kiel lost. Gnashblade would probably be hiding somewhere complaining about how the Liongaurd screwed everything up while Kiel would be doing her best with very little impact.

Exactly, he’d be dealing with the same stonewalling Kiel did.

Bah…can we finally get Captain Suwash on the ballot? His leadership qualities are impeccable. He gets complete strangers to take over an island for him.

Name in use already.7294:

Since the election I’ve remained a strong Kiel supporter. But now with everything that has happened and the dialogue with Evon Nashblade in Vigil keep. I’m seriously regretting voting for her.

tl;dr Living story season 2. Rise of Evon! plz

…this event would have occured regardless of who was ellected

Rising Dusk.2408:

I think you guys are largely forgetting the premise upon which politics in LA has always been founded since it’s rebuilding: mercantilism and piracy. They do good things for the city because it, in-turn, benefits them. It’s why LA has a bank, and why it has a lot of things that we now take for granted (lore-wise). Of course Evon would be self-serving as a leader on the council, he bloody well should be. In looking out for himself, he’d have fought to look out for everyone else because that would be in his best financial interests. Because he’s not on the council, though, things are very different and he is neither obligated to support the city nor should he care. He is trying to tear Kiel down for her failing and wants to get himself on the council so he can turn the financial distress Kiel is causing him into financial gain, which simultaneously would help Lion’s Arch out a lot. It’s a whole different world in LA compared to real world politics, and to treat them or the leaders the same is naive (don’t be naive!).

This isn’t the U S of A we’re talking about, this is the L A. Please remember that crucial distinction.

actaully what you described IS the US goverment body. sorry to burst your bubble

Evon is going to help Heal-o-Tron upgrade itself at his own cost. Heal-o-Tron is “free-lance” right now, having paid its debt, so Evon isn’t helping it because he has to. He sees potential return on the investment.

http://i.imgur.com/X5Eer6h.jpg

I think that’s enough evidence of how much he cares about LA. Ditching citizens and a captain of the council purely to safeguard his merchandise and shutting down the gate thus trapping them in LA and forcing them to run to another exit.

Palador.2170:

Kalavier.1097:

Yeah, if you talked to him before he mentioned LA was weak and it’s defenses need reinforced, but outside of that you NEVER saw him doing anything. Kiel on the other hand, was trying to convince the Council to bolster the defenses for a while, especially after the investigations. Even after the Council went “Ha ha, Scarlet won’t attack us so soon!” Kiel worked to do what she could.

At the risk of being coldhearted, I have to ask: Why should he?

You see, we didn’t elect him to the Council. Nor did we elect Kiel. Our votes influenced who the Zepherites would make their trade agreement with, and that’s it. It was the Council that chose who the new member would be, they simply decided to say that the one that one the trade agreement would likely be the one they chose.

So, not only did Kiel (and the rest of the Council, as she was working under their orders) step into his professional area and swipe some business out from under him, they then declared that Kiel was the one best suited for the Council position. They made their choice, clear as day.

Kiel’s shown that she’ll gladly take credit for other people’s actions. Evon would have to be nuts to spend his own resources trying to prepare Lion’s Arch for the attack, knowing that it would be seen as a victory for Kiel in the end and he’d be forgotten. There’s something to be said for letting them fail and face the blame. Unfortunately, Kiel’s now drafted Evon, and is basically robbing him under threat of execution and confiscation of not only his own wealth, but everything in the trading posts. And she’s taking not just his money, but also anything she wants from the market. So, that sword or helm you’re trying to sell? Hers now. He coughs it up if asked for, or he’s executed.

I very much doubt that Kiel or the Captains’ Council will be willing to pay him back for any of it (much less all of it) when this is all over. I also wonder how well YOUR characters would take it if they were told they have to give up their wealth to Lion’s Arch or be executed, just because the leaders of the city were so chronically stupid.

You’re a storyteller – love your tagline.

What do you all expect?

Kiel is a pirate. And not the good-doer kind.

Evon is a spy. Who’s been trying to take over LA economy for the Ash Legion.

You really expected one of them to play the good guy?

Kiel wouldn’t let me evac on her precious airship and left me for dead in Lion’s Arch (at :45 in Fort Marriner). I’m an Evon Gnashblade supporter now.

To be fair to Evon, how exactly was he supposed to do anything to protect Lion’s Arch without being on the council? “Don’t mind me, Councilor Kiel, I’m just installing my Asuran megalasers and Charr cannons on my buildings, where they will be crewed by my employees/soldiers. I know you don’t trust me, but I swear its purely a self defense measure for when that kitten Scarlet attacks. What are you giving me that look for? No, really, I swear I’m not planning on using them to overthrow the Council. I want to be on the Council, not run a revolution. No, stop, you don’t need to call the guards…”

Personally, though, I blame the Asura and the Pact for all this. Scarlet has a fleet of giant airships, which we’ve broken dozens of and salvaged the parts. Scarlet has giant mechas, which we’ve broken dozens of and salvaged the parts. Scarlet even apparently has orbital laser cannons. Why haven’t they developed any actual counter measures? Why wasn’t the Pact fleet standing by to engage hers? Where are our clanky tanks? And where is our air cover?!

(Ok, fine. I really just want to see Heal-o-Tron piloting the partially rebuilt corpse of the Marionette into battle, like the Tyrian version of Mechagodzilla. is that too much to ask?)

Morrigan.2809:

She is fighting and he is whining in Vigil Keep

Team Kiel forever

Where is she fighting? I expect to see her LA but I’m yet to find her. Is she with Magnus inside LA?

Sinbold.8723:

Evon is going to help Heal-o-Tron upgrade itself at his own cost. Heal-o-Tron is “free-lance” right now, having paid its debt, so Evon isn’t helping it because he has to. He sees potential return on the investment.

I don’t think that’s actually true. Evon was at least curious about the idea until HoT said it didn’t have any money, at which point Evon told it to shove off. HoT then tries begging, explaining in more detail what he wanted, to which Evon says “So you want something that can take it, but not dish it out?” When HoT says yes to this, Evon goes, “Heh, good luck.” I interpret that to mean “Good luck finding something like that”, or “Good luck getting it.” There wasn’t any sign that Evon was giving anything to HoT at all.

Of course, it’s kind of a given that we’re soon going to see Hero-Tron in action, but I get the feeling that it’s just going to swipe the chassis from Evon when he’s not looking. :P

Zaxares.5419:

I don’t think that’s actually true. Evon was at least curious about the idea until HoT said it didn’t have any money, at which point Evon told it to shove off. HoT then tries begging, explaining in more detail what he wanted, to which Evon says “So you want something that can take it, but not dish it out?” When HoT says yes to this, Evon goes, “Heh, good luck.” I interpret that to mean “Good luck finding something like that”, or “Good luck getting it.” There wasn’t any sign that Evon was giving anything to HoT at all.

Of course, it’s kind of a given that we’re soon going to see Hero-Tron in action, but I get the feeling that it’s just going to swipe the chassis from Evon when he’s not looking. :P

The last line by Evon sounds like he got convinced to give o-Tron some defense gear, commenting that o-Tron’s acts would possibly convince the Lionguard and Captain’s Council. It sounded to me like Evon was scheming “and I will be the one who made o-Tron’s fight possible! I deserve some benefits, too!”

Also, I hope o-Tron dies. I hate him. Doesn’t anyone else? Please say I’m not alone in this…

Then again, I hate quaggans too.

And krait need more love. They’re just lashing out for being hated all the time! Like pythons!

Nilkemia.8507:

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Still…the Council’s to blame for not preparing more adequately in the end.

Valor Singus.7049:

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Personally, though, I blame the Asura and the Pact for all this. ….

I’d blame the horrible writing for it all, with the strawman politicians and the not thinking anything through stuff.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Also, I hope o-Tron dies. I hate him. Doesn’t anyone else? Please say I’m not alone in this…

Then again, I hate quaggans too.

And krait need more love. They’re just lashing out for being hated all the time! Like pythons!

I agree with all these things.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Also, I hope o-Tron dies. I hate him. Doesn’t anyone else? Please say I’m not alone in this…

Then again, I hate quaggans too.

And krait need more love. They’re just lashing out for being hated all the time! Like pythons!

I think quaggans and the running gag o-Tron are sort of polarising. Some like them (I often see someone following o-Tron from Evon to the Seraph) and others dislike them. The quggan are kind of like Ewoks, Jarjar Binks or the chipmunk scene in the latest Indiana Jones move, they exist to be cute or funny . I think their “story” doesn’t require much thinking (it’s not attached to the richer lore of Tyria), it’s easy to follow and they have quick resolutions so players not interested in the the richer lore of Tyria can get some satisfaction from them. I just shrug, remember that just like there are armour sets aimed at players that aren’t me, there will be stories and gags aimed at players that aren’t me. I just hope the o-Tron gag doesn’t hurt the seriousness of the next release.

I’m not that big a fan of the minstrel and running gag-o-tron, but I do think quaggans are adorable. amphibious orca/whales.
I still want to learn how the krait learned a language when they’ve never been enslaved, and they’re as xenophobic as they are.

Morfedel.4165:

If you follow the rescue of the dolyaks inside Lions Arch under attack, you will see how much of a jerk Evon is.

Yeah Kiel’s a bit of a jerk too, but he’s far worse, hehe

And now he’s also corrupting poor, innocent Heal-O-Tron….

I did follow the Dolyaks, I have multiple times now and have yet to see Evon. I’ve even rushed to do the first dolyak event and still he isn’t there. Can someone full screen shot it because if I don’t have proof then all it is currently is a nice photoshop job of some made up dialogue.

Thobek.1730:

Morfedel.4165:

If you follow the rescue of the dolyaks inside Lions Arch under attack, you will see how much of a jerk Evon is.

Yeah Kiel’s a bit of a jerk too, but he’s far worse, hehe

And now he’s also corrupting poor, innocent Heal-O-Tron….

I did follow the Dolyaks, I have multiple times now and have yet to see Evon. I’ve even rushed to do the first dolyak event and still he isn’t there. Can someone full screen shot it because if I don’t have proof then all it is currently is a nice photoshop job of some made up dialogue.

https://24.media.tumblr.com/e11141f3e3cff7d4f7c91b1a02414fec/tumblr_n19uedYn5J1qiywi6o1_500.jpg

your hero ladies and gentleman. not caring about other evacutees and the richest and most snobby member of the council calling him out on his bullkitten.