Guild Wars 2

The only thing I personally read here is:

The train is gone already, we can only hope that ESO will fail and the people will come back.

Speaks volumes about the state of GW2.

It gives me a chance to catch up on writing my GW2 fanfics and an opportunity to join my guild for dungeon / fractals / WvW runs! It will also give me a chance to get mats for my ascended armor!

I’m going to enjoy this LS break while it lasts.

Don’t worry, most of the people bringing up ESO won’t be here too much longer.

Then, everything is alright.

ESO = elder scrolls without mods….lol what a joke.

Bethesda was never good at finishing and polishing their games, the modder community finishes it.

Look at skyrim – “oh we use motion capture now so our animations look awesome!”
their animations look like drunken gorillas trying to swing a stick or run around.

Still have:

– Kill Zhaitan

on my to-do list.

I should probably get around to doing that.

Kaiyanwan.8521:

Don’t worry, most of the people bringing up ESO won’t be here too much longer.

Then, everything is alright.

I sure hope so.

These forums could use less trashtalk.

i’ve played ESO – it was painful, it’s even worse when i saw that it was for a monthly subs fee… no thank you. though good luck to those that do enjoy it and like it.

i’ll stay here. leveling toons, doing world bosses, and dungeons. like we used to play before they changed to bi-weekly updates.

Followedbyrocks.8751:

I personally am going to enjoy the break, it’s been ages since I’ve had time to actually play the base game and not worry about the LS. The 2 week schedule was just too much in my opinion.

Yup, +1

Looking forward to it as i gave up on the LS towards the end, do the meta for the reward then go enjoy the rest of the game. I really hope they slow it down.

The achievement hunt/grind is also off putting. PvE focused players think far too highly of ‘AP 10k+or no good’ attitude. Saying that, i’m looking forward to slapping them around for a couple of weeks when they go for their WvW season meta

ESO will be good at the beginning, like it was with Aion, Tera and other games that were b2p + p2p, but in the end it failed and went f2p, THIS will happen with ESO too after a time, cuz they will fail with their playerbase, and after that with the support. The MMOs in the past 6-7 years can survive either if they are free, either b2p, but NOT b2p AND p2p.

Celtic Lady.3729:

The only thing dangerous to GW2 right now is ESO. Place is going to be a ghost town in less than a month.

it would have been nice that ESO have been dangerous for GW2, like that maybe the dev would have wake up to really take care and update the game with something else than pointless farmfest gameplay…

i am not really overly worried. Every time a new game cames around is always ‘the best game ever’. That is untill people start to seriously play iy, for months, then they start to see the not so shining parts.
Everything is ‘the best thing ever’ when is fresh and new. How it will really go will be seen during the live game some months down the road. Some people will stick to it, some others will dislike it. Also I don’t think arenanet will just remain on the side watching, they will impkement new things to keep people from leaving. All in all is a wait and see, and if the competition improve the game wuality we have only to gain from it.

@urbancat Yup, the “best game” is the one where YOU are having fun, where YOU discovered new ways of having fun. If the mentality of some ppl are “Meh, no LS for the next 2 weeks, i’m bored”, then yea, ofc they think other games are better, since they dont try wvw, pvp, or thinking at a new goal in the game and try to accomplish.

NEOCROM.8957:

@urbancat Yup, the “best game” is the one where YOU are having fun, where YOU discovered new ways of having fun. If the mentality of some ppl are “Meh, no LS for the next 2 weeks, i’m bored”, then yea, ofc they think other games are better, since they dont try wvw, pvp, or thinking at a new goal in the game and try to accomplish.

What about the people that have been here since release? They surely are getting out of goals after waiting for solid content since forever…

^Go WvW and try reach rank 10k maybe?:D
Patience is everything, in EVERY game. I personally can wait and hope for something good in Season 2.

NEOCROM.8957:

^Go WvW and try reach rank 10k maybe?:D
Patience is everything, in EVERY game. I personally can wait and hope for something good in Season 2.

You mean I have to create my own carrot on a stick to keep me entertained in a theme park MMO?

That is some new approach to the genre. What is next, do I have to imagine conversations between NPCs myself? At least Braham would shut up then.

Celtic Lady.3729:

Really? You think? With 20 million or so fans of their games? Why wouldn’t they subscribe?

Are you talking about Elder Scrolls? Sure I am Elder Scroll fan, but I am not a fan of Elder Scrolls Online. That game has nothing to do with the single player sandbox rpg series.

What do you mean 10 days? There is no new content coming for 3 months…

I see a lot of talk about subscriptions. I have easily spent more on the GW2 shop than I would have if it was just $15 per month subscription. A subscription service for me means I will actually be spending LESS money.
I spend my money when I feel like I am doing something and expanding on my game play. At the moment my wallet isn’t going to be shelling out towards something that has nothing really to do for a while (I play about 99% pve) so my cash is currently going into other games and I’m sure I can’t be the only one like this.
I love GW2, I really do.. but sitting there doing nothing or even just running around in a circle zerging isn’t going to make me throw money at my screen.. and believe me I would rather throw money towards GW2 but not until I feel its expanding my gameplay.

Farzo.8410:

World of Warcraft will have nothing to do for almost a year before their expansion releases.

^ This.

Frankly I have plenty of prema achievements to do that are always post prone because of daily/monthly/LS.

Open World + Dungeons + Fractals + WvW + sPvP = “nothing”

I think I know where some of the forum attitude comes from, now. :P
On the plusside I guess their biweekly release system is working, then. The whole point was to avoid the 5-9 months “pre-expansion-nothing” other MMOs have or had, and if players are getting addicted to it, it’s clearly working.

On that note, I had a really weird moment yesterday. Since the story started ramping up with the Marionette I’ve not done much except TxS fights and living story (I don’t have that much gaming time), and it felt so odd to be running around collecting mats for Kamohoali’i, collecting Omnomberries and to fight open world bosses, again. Went into WvW too, for the full “This is GW2!”-dose.

Net result: I need to do more WvW. :P

Ill tell you one thing I did both TESO and Guild wars 2 beta and while TESO is likely gunna be pay to play for a couple month i will still play it. Why? Guild Wars 2 used to have some form of magic atmosphere that made me felt like an important character Inside an immense story i was participating in. I didnt care for the small endgame related content availlability (time would increase its size anyway) neither did i care for scarlet or any other bull crap the living story included what was the death of me is the staling the class developement has gone on for a full years. Dont even dare speak about new Healing spells this is a total joke, builds are still dictated by a 100% dps ruled model tons of useless traits and half of a bad utility bar or crap weapon. Guild Wars series was the epitome of freedome of build and originality (1 build for each situation and even then you can still surprise me after years of play!) while guild wars 2 is stuck up on so many level. Elder scroll online will provide me ALL the tool i ever wanted to constantly try and create new skill builds (with a single class thousand specialisation possibility from a warlock to a barbarian!).

You speak like if the pay to play will be a deterant but ill tell you one reality there is some people in this world who have money to spend and are willing to use it on games and i dont care how much the game ask per months long as it keep me busy and happy wich in the post 7 month guild wars 2 failed to do. I spent over 100$ per months in guild wars 2 in the cash shop, playing TESO will cost me 1/10 of the price while maintaining the originality and fun up because its one of the magic of elder scrolls games wich hasnt died with its mmo you can start and create a character in a thousand different way every new game is a new experiance!

I will still be rooting for the success of Guild Wars 2 but i might disapear from it until the content actualy gives me a serious reason to play. Im in a very cool guild i got a high rank as well a good achievement point total but im willing to loose it all for a little bit of originality. In the past 3 months i traded Guild Wars 2 for Dark Souls and skyrim, i even played League of legend a little. Im tired of waiting for new content and a class balance wich will never come so they better give us serious reason to stay

Aveneo.2068:

Now if ESO had been B2P like GW2, it might have been competition. But not when they want to charge you $60 for the box with $15 a month on top of that and a cash-shop.

See: World of Warcraft. (which had 7.8 million subscribers as of December 31st)
Next expansion will be $50. It’s still got a $15/mo subscription AND a cash shop.

7.8 is more than twice the “over 3 million GW2 copies sold”.
And that’s people that are still actively subscribed. Not just people that bought the game.

GW2’s biggest enemy right now is the bi-weekly update schedule, in my mind.
Escape from Lion’s Arch was epic… but the last release was more like “Battle Against Lion’s Bugs”
The Knights fight shows that whatever team worked on it didn’t learn from the Wurm and Marionette events at how to properly split up the zerg. AFKing was much less of an issue for those two events.

I’d be much happier with monthly updates (or even bi-monthly or quarterly updates) if it meant more polished content that stuck around for longer than two weeks.

I honestly WISH there was something for us to do but I recently convinced my friend to get GW2 so I’m kind of glad its quiet now so he doesnt miss too much more. I hooked him by retelling the events of Living Story season 1. So don’t screw this up ANet! You’ve been slowly proving that you’re learning how to make LS better, make season 2 the best yet!

…except play the game. Honestly, it doesn’t take 2 weeks to play each LS patch so do whatever it is you normally do after you finish with each patch content.

Minos.5168:

Aveneo.2068:

Now if ESO had been B2P like GW2, it might have been competition. But not when they want to charge you $60 for the box with $15 a month on top of that and a cash-shop.

See: World of Warcraft. (which had 7.8 million subscribers as of December 31st)
Next expansion will be $50. It’s still got a $15/mo subscription AND a cash shop.

7.8 is more than twice the “over 3 million GW2 copies sold”.
And that’s people that are still actively subscribed. Not just people that bought the game.

WoW has been out for YEARS and has developed a strong playerbase that worked so hard to get their gear and rewards. They don’t want to lose it all so they’re obligated to pay and play. I know, because I was one of them until I just didn’t care anymore. It was painful to see my characters go but I had to do it. ESO, however, is a new MMO and has a sub-fee as well as the 60$ box just like WoW. It won’t do so good I’m afraid.

Nothing for 10 days? I’ll be sleeping my kitten off so I can get ready for the WvW Tournament!

Once it starts, I’ll be soooo sleep deprived.

Celtic Lady.3729:

The only thing dangerous to GW2 right now is ESO. Place is going to be a ghost town in less than a month.

… for about a month. Then they’ll come back as fast as they left. ESO is such a snoozefest.

Abaia.1365:

Sure, lots of people will try ESO. Then they’ll realize how superficially it resembles an Elder Scrolls game. All the freedom and depth they enjoyed in Skyrim or Morrowind is missing. In its place: just another crummy generic MMO—with a monthly sub and a cash shop.

But the graphics sure are pretty!

Ironically, this is pretty much what some GW fans have said about GW2. Only the bit about a monthly sub doesn’t apply.

People may flock to the new shiny, but all games will eventually stand or fall based on their own merits. If ESO stumbles and falls, then that’s what happens. But don’t count them out until you see how they handle the game once it’s live.

Now, while I’ve not played ESO, I do think it poses a problem. Not because it will keep players, but because it will distract them from GW2. And when it’s time to give up ESO and go back to an older game, GW2 may not be that older game they go back to. And some of those that DO return to GW2 will find underpopulated servers and empty friend lists, causing them to leave again.

I don’t plan on jumping to another game until next year, this year’s games don’t interest me. I do think they’ll have an impact on GW2, though. Even people that run around mostly solo (like me) often enjoy the social aspects of these games, and each shiny distraction is going to make that social aspect take a hit.

Palador.2170:

Ironically, this is pretty much what some GW fans have said about GW2. Only the bit about a monthly sub doesn’t apply.

The difference is that TES have huge fan followings, while GW1 was a niche game which had tons of problems on it’s own.

Yes the situation is similar, but the scales are completely off. It appears as if rabid masses of GW1 fans are ranting about GW2, but in the end it’s the same few names you see repeated in every thread. :P

I love the fact that I don’t have to grind in the LS, it’s a great break, go outside and kill some people in WvW the mists are very active this time of year.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

What do you mean 10 days? There is no new content coming for 3 months…

got any source on that 3 months?

Zepher.7803:

I love the fact that I don’t have to grind in the LS, it’s a great break, go outside and kill some people

Done!

in WvW

…oops.

the mists are very active this time of year.

Well, they are now…

Medazolam.3058:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

What do you mean 10 days? There is no new content coming for 3 months…

got any source on that 3 months?

It’s been stated that the China GW2 and normal GW2 will be in step for LS updates. This has people figuring that the second season of LS won’t start until after the China release goes live.

Palador.2170:

Medazolam.3058:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

What do you mean 10 days? There is no new content coming for 3 months…

got any source on that 3 months?

It’s been stated that the China GW2 and normal GW2 will be in step for LS updates. This has people figuring that the second season of LS won’t start until after the China release goes live.

ah ok, I can follow that. I hope the feature patch has some kind of content, precursor crafting, guild missions, new PvP mode, or something.

I find the notion of “no content” for 3 months pretty weird, too.

Is the WvW season no content for you?
I think it’s a pretty big thing.

I’m glad for the break, story wise. When you think about it, it’s been a pretty hectic pace. While it’s a virtual game, it’s part of our reality. Time to mourn, repair, hang out in pubs and listen to bad jokes. I think it’s a nice touch, and shows that ArenaNet is gutsy enough to not only destroy their hub city in game, but let us have time to process the story line.

Carighan.6758:

I find the notion of “no content” for 3 months pretty weird, too.

Is the WvW season no content for you?
I think it’s a pretty big thing.

not really, its just a copy/paste from season 1 and will destroy low pop servers with people trying to bandwagon like last time.

X The Manimal.5293:

Minos.5168:

Aveneo.2068:

Now if ESO had been B2P like GW2, it might have been competition. But not when they want to charge you $60 for the box with $15 a month on top of that and a cash-shop.

See: World of Warcraft. (which had 7.8 million subscribers as of December 31st)
Next expansion will be $50. It’s still got a $15/mo subscription AND a cash shop.

7.8 is more than twice the “over 3 million GW2 copies sold”.
And that’s people that are still actively subscribed. Not just people that bought the game.

WoW has been out for YEARS and has developed a strong playerbase that worked so hard to get their gear and rewards. They don’t want to lose it all so they’re obligated to pay and play. I know, because I was one of them until I just didn’t care anymore. It was painful to see my characters go but I had to do it. ESO, however, is a new MMO and has a sub-fee as well as the 60$ box just like WoW. It won’t do so good I’m afraid.

Add to that the fact that ESO has low-budget animation and gameplay. It’s great for long-time fans of the series, but not so great for new players who are spoiled by modern RPGs like GW2. IMO, if a game is going to have a sub fee, I expect high quality animation and excellent gameplay. ESO doesn’t deliver that so I’m not leaving GW2.

Plus, ESO is too grim-dark for some players (like me). It seems as if it’s designed to snag the Skyrim crowd.

In the words of Grand Marshal Trahearne: “It won’t end well.”

E Tan.7385:

Celtic Lady.3729:

The only thing dangerous to GW2 right now is ESO. Place is going to be a ghost town in less than a month.

it would have been nice that ESO have been dangerous for GW2, like that maybe the dev would have wake up to really take care and update the game with something else than pointless farmfest gameplay…

It will be competitive and force Arenanet to be on their a-game. Both games have one of the same major draws: A zone with open world PVP between 3 factions with siege.

Heck, both games are headed by ex Mythic (Dark Age of Camelot) developers. Colin leading GW2 development, Matt Frior leading TESO development.

Aside from that the similarities are that both games have a zergy feel to them both in PVP and in landscape PVE (no tagging, open world events (GW2 does these open world events better, it’s probably its strongest aspect is frankly, its landscape events), and both games focus on active defenses rather than passive defenses. The difference is TESO uses a trinity, which is bad and good. It’s bad due to the fact that you have to wait on healers almost always, but good because unlike GW2 dungeons, not everyone is doing the exact same thing. It feels like a team, where GW2 dungeons feels like you’re soloing the content next to 4 other people, not like you’re playing with them in a team. You’re all doing the exact same thing: dumping damage on the boss and dodging. Tanking in TESO is actually quite a bit of fun because of the importance of active defense and block timing.

I’m hoping that eventually Arenanet can realize that making everyone zerker DPS was a massive mistake and very boring. Figure out a way to make interrupts a viable role in dungeons, eliminate the penalties on healing power for heals that aren’t self heals, make an armor set that grants healing power, boon duration, and something else (currently you might as well “support” in zerker gear, while doing DPS) and maybe make some enemy attacks not dodgeable so there’s an actual use for heals, vitality, and toughness, even if you’re mostly focusing on self heals.

Abaia.1365:

Celtic Lady.3729:

Really? You think? With 20 million or so fans of their games? Why wouldn’t they subscribe?

Compared to eleventy-billion Star Wars fans? How’d that work out for EA?

Sure, lots of people will try ESO. Then they’ll realize how superficially it resembles an Elder Scrolls game. All the freedom and depth they enjoyed in Skyrim or Morrowind is missing. In its place: just another crummy generic MMO—with a monthly sub and a cash shop.

But the graphics sure are pretty!

Eeeexactly.
It’s a generic MMO that looks nice and literally nothing more.
And this is coming from someone who really wanted to like this.

I’m sure ESO will put a slight dent in things initially, purely because of the great games that came before it, but that’s not going to last long at all unless they completely overhaul everything they’ve been working on so far, and that’s not exactly likely to happen at this point. I can barely even be bothered to participate in the BETA events anymore because it’s just mind-numbingly dull.

ESO’s biggest problem isn’t the subscription (although I do hate sub-based games), its biggest problem is that it just isn’t that good a game.

Code.8615:

Abaia.1365:

Celtic Lady.3729:

Really? You think? With 20 million or so fans of their games? Why wouldn’t they subscribe?

Compared to eleventy-billion Star Wars fans? How’d that work out for EA?

Sure, lots of people will try ESO. Then they’ll realize how superficially it resembles an Elder Scrolls game. All the freedom and depth they enjoyed in Skyrim or Morrowind is missing. In its place: just another crummy generic MMO—with a monthly sub and a cash shop.

But the graphics sure are pretty!

Eeeexactly.
It’s a generic MMO that looks nice and literally nothing more.
And this is coming from someone who really wanted to like this.

I’m sure ESO will put a slight dent in things initially, purely because of the great games that came before it, but that’s not going to last long at all unless they completely overhaul everything they’ve been working on so far, and that’s not exactly likely to happen at this point. I can barely even be bothered to participate in the BETA events anymore because it’s just mind-numbingly dull.

ESO’s biggest problem isn’t the subscription (although I do hate sub-based games), its biggest problem is that it just isn’t that good a game.

Thats pretty much how I felt. I loved the character creator and I enjoyed some of the skills, I enjoyed the Dragon Knight class and found it the most fun to play of all the classes but thats about it. And yes its beautiful but the crafting system and the lack of auction house are going to be a big detriments to the game.

about eso, i skipped the last 2 beta’s.
i have trouble finding some fun things in GW2 but eso really makes it impossible, still better then neverwinter but that’s as far as it gets.

about what the OP is about, i rather wait 6 months and have a huge expansion size update then waste my time on yet another LS grind fest with lame achievement farms attached to it, lat alone the champ zergs and DPS spamming.

Carighan.6758:

I find the notion of “no content” for 3 months pretty weird, too.

Is the WvW season no content for you?
I think it’s a pretty big thing.

Is it not the exact same WvW matches we’ve had for the last 18 months but with a few achievements added for the things you already do? Did the do the commander tag overhaul? Did they add account bound Wxp? Did they change any mechanics? Did they remove biggest blob wins?

It seems to be the same thing but at the end of every week a chart ticks some points instead of resetting? Not exactly what i’d call “new content”.

the free model of GW2 and the community it fostered shows in the comments here. this is welfare gaming and the fact that most defenders here (and most other threads) continually say the refuse to pay for anything but then demand more content… it’s absurd at this point.

1st of all this has a cash shop and and if you pay attention to any news about ESO AFTER august of last year they have said their cash shop is not going to be any different from here (all convenience or aesthetic, not p2w). and EXACTLY like GW2, you do NOT have to spend money there. there simply is no reason to get mad about things you don’t have to do… (side note: i’m going to start listing cash shops and gay marriages in one category—things some people want but the loudest voices on the subject are the most ignorant.)

to whoever said “the subscription model is dead”… you couldn’t be more wrong. i personally know hundreds of people who tried GW2 and quit because, quote, “you get what you pay for.” personally i think we got a little more than what we are paying for, but they are essentially right. (we all have a lot of worn out “1” buttons as proof.) i’m at the point i’d rather pay monthly (even if it only lasts a year) because that seems to be more incentive to try and fix/produce in a more meaningful and interactive way.

ESO is getting a lot of hell about the bugs—almost all of which were fixed in last weekend’s beta btw, why not spread some facts around for change? BUT here in GW2 we just suffered for about 6 days of a 14 day release with broken events/achievements/etc —and now that content is gone so if anyone missed it, too bad. and oh yeah we’ve been doing that every 2 weeks for a year and a half. even if some stuff is broken at release of ESO, its content is going to speak to the millions of gamers who gave up on this because they want to play at their own speed…which means maybe doing that content in 1 month from now…something impossible here. (and lets not bring up the first 3 months here where everything not tested above level 30 was pretty much gamebreakingly broken. or how mesmers can still glitch through gates in WvW. or the fact flying gorups of golems and thieves still hack everything to death in WvW without being banned. or how everything in pve is just stack and spin to win.)

there were tons of people who paid their $60 for GW2 and got 1-2 months out of it. there is a HUGE realm of gamers that do this for every single MMO. the simple fact of that matter is that gamers ARE going to pay the $60 and take their free month and the next 1-2 months (at the very very least) will negatively impact GW2. in fact it will negatively impact a LOT of games. if may not impact YOU, but please keep a sense of reality so your arguments are negated by stupidity…

I’ll enjoy the 10 day break.

As for ESO and other upcoming MMOs: It would have been nice for GW2 to have Feature Only Patches release when ESO and Wildstar come out. It’s kinda expected. To have a 2nd season of boring WvW matches that only the top 3 servers really care about is not the right idea to keep populations up during an ESO launch. Oh well…what’s done is done…enjoy.

Kaiyanwan.8521:

NEOCROM.8957:

^Go WvW and try reach rank 10k maybe?:D
Patience is everything, in EVERY game. I personally can wait and hope for something good in Season 2.

You mean I have to create my own carrot on a stick to keep me entertained in a theme park MMO?

That is some new approach to the genre. What is next, do I have to imagine conversations between NPCs myself? At least Braham would shut up then.

For some reason, the quote “play the way you want” comes to mind when I read this….

The only thing ESO has going for it is the Tamriel setting and even that’s been kinda flubbed because of the obsessive need to have pvp as the endgame. I can’t see ESO being the big ticket game that Zeni/Bethesda is hoping it will be.

As for Gw2 being in danger for 10 days? Not really… I’m finding myself rather bored, but I have other things to do right now as well. I’d like to have more LS to complain about but I can wait.

I made it through the first day. 9 more to go.

So I’m confused and can’t find the information so I’m asking on here. When will be the next update? Has that even been established yet? And further more, do we know when season 2 will start? Thanks.

Celtic Lady.3729:

The only thing dangerous to GW2 right now is ESO. Place is going to be a ghost town in less than a month.

I tried ESO beta, glad I did, saved me $60 plus $15/mo, . Very little new or interesting in there imo. I’d just rather play Oblivion & Skyrim for free (I own both), or GW2.

ESO feels like a lesser Skyrim / Oblivion, and I can get all the mmo I need out of GW2. There’s zero reasons I see to fork out that kind of money.

Game will be f2p in less than a year, you can quote me.