Guild Wars 2

I would like to ask for an Abaddon Dungeon now. not a Fractal. It needs 3-4 paths. It needs a set of armor and a really in depth Story mode that doesn’t contain vegetable girl.

ShroomOneUp.6913:

@at all kiel haters and those who laugh say we told you so.

FIRST OFF: scarlet wasn´t even a thing during the cuthtroat politics. REMEMBER thats she was first revealed druing the jubilee AFTER the dragon bash. yes we heared of a character called scarlet before
but we had no idea who or what she was.
only AFTER jubilee we knew it was a freakin mary sue.
SO you have no right to tell us you knew better.
i even think anet would have bend their lore so much sjtu to put scarlet into the abbadon fractle aswell. making HER the reason he tunred against the other gods int he first place. Don´t pretend they wouldn´t do that. A-Net devs love sylvari and their scarlet.

secound:
HOW THE kitten do you get your facts wrong. YES the inquest was mentioned in the open world thaumnova, BUT NEVER AS OWNERS OF THE PLACE. the thaumanove reactor was a ratasum facility sabotaged by the inquest and the crucibile of eternity was their version of it.mostl likly with stolen blue prints and part from the thaumanove reactor.
WE KIEL VOTER thoaught we would either play the inquest group behind this leading to CoE or trying to stop them but fail story wise.

no one could have know they would shoe horn their kittening MARY SUE IN THEIR. be cause we didn´t knew they had one for it.

thrid: we will get abbadon anyway, they didn´t throw the concepts away you morons. the fractle will come. and NOW it will have definetly scarlet in their…..
so if will suck just as much lore wise.

THANKS ANETBAMA FOR NOT CARING FOR YOUR COSTUMER BUT YOUR OWN SLEFISH OC WISHES

1. I still think we get that right because it was easy to judge importance. ie: What’s more important? Meeting the god that gave magic to Tyria and made GW into what GW is today? Or yet another asura incident? I think that speaks for itself. (might have made it harder for A-net to add Scarlet too considering how far in the past this happened).

2. Fair enough.

3. No…unfortunately. A-net has stated “We will not make both fractals.”
Source: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/cutthroat/IMO-ArenaNet-favors-Evon-Unfair/first

If I could, I would find a way to get Evon unto his rightful place as a council-member. After all, he’s just like Yomm. That alone is evidence to me.

Razor.9872:

No no no, you silly goose. We wanted to meet Abaddon. You know: the god that made GW into GW.

My opinion of GW: Great ideas ruined by horrible later skill additions and a community so toxic, it made D2 trade chats seem friendly.

So yeah, if he made that, good riddance.

ELement.5647:

ShroomOneUp.6913:

-snip-

Your account name pretty much sums up the huge abomination that is your post.

mirror

Carighan.6758:

Razor.9872:

No no no, you silly goose. We wanted to meet Abaddon. You know: the god that made GW into GW.

My opinion of GW: Great ideas ruined by horrible later skill additions and a community so toxic, it made D2 trade chats seem friendly.

So yeah, if he made that, good riddance.

D:

Razor.9872:

No no no, you silly goose. We wanted to meet Abaddon. You know: the god that made GW into GW.

GW was doing just fine when Abaddon was still just a word on the map.

KIEL TWO STRONK!
KIEL ALL DAY SON!
KIEL! KIEL! KIEL!

Given Gnashblade’s established record of unleashing horrible lag causing worthless abominations like the Box o Fun, and being a crook (Black Lion), and the fact that charr are responsible for the searing; you’d have to be evil to have supported an evildoer like him.

The only way I, or anyone outside of the gw2 equivalent of renfair participants and charrophiles, would have voted for him is if he offered removing trading post fees for that reward/celebration period.

Stay posteriorpestered tho, gnashbums.

Razor.9872:

ShroomOneUp.6913:

@at all kiel haters and those who laugh say we told you so.

FIRST OFF: scarlet wasn´t even a thing during the cuthtroat politics. REMEMBER thats she was first revealed druing the jubilee AFTER the dragon bash. yes we heared of a character called scarlet before
but we had no idea who or what she was.
only AFTER jubilee we knew it was a freakin mary sue.
SO you have no right to tell us you knew better.
i even think anet would have bend their lore so much sjtu to put scarlet into the abbadon fractle aswell. making HER the reason he tunred against the other gods int he first place. Don´t pretend they wouldn´t do that. A-Net devs love sylvari and their scarlet.

secound:
HOW THE kitten do you get your facts wrong. YES the inquest was mentioned in the open world thaumnova, BUT NEVER AS OWNERS OF THE PLACE. the thaumanove reactor was a ratasum facility sabotaged by the inquest and the crucibile of eternity was their version of it.mostl likly with stolen blue prints and part from the thaumanove reactor.
WE KIEL VOTER thoaught we would either play the inquest group behind this leading to CoE or trying to stop them but fail story wise.

no one could have know they would shoe horn their kittening MARY SUE IN THEIR. be cause we didn´t knew they had one for it.

thrid: we will get abbadon anyway, they didn´t throw the concepts away you morons. the fractle will come. and NOW it will have definetly scarlet in their…..
so if will suck just as much lore wise.

THANKS ANETBAMA FOR NOT CARING FOR YOUR COSTUMER BUT YOUR OWN SLEFISH OC WISHES

1. I still think we get that right because it was easy to judge importance. ie: What’s more important? Meeting the god that gave magic to Tyria and made GW into what GW is today? Or yet another asura incident? I think that speaks for itself. (might have made it harder for A-net to add Scarlet too considering how far in the past this happened).

2. Fair enough.

3. No…unfortunately. A-net has stated “We will not make both fractals.”
Source: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/cutthroat/IMO-ArenaNet-favors-Evon-Unfair/first

If I could, I would find a way to get Evon unto his rightful place as a council-member. After all, he’s just like Yomm. That alone is evidence to me.

1. their are many arguments why abbadon should NOT be a fractale. first its to epic for it, secound scarlet woudl be shoe horned in somehow, i eman she saw the eternal alchemy and assumably is responsable for everything.
It´s was not a bad angle from most theorist to assume to find out somethign about the actaul first villians of this game msot people don´t remember: the dragons. they disrupt the flow of magic, gorr madea theory in the perosnal story line and proofed it. makign the reactor a disaster because of them would have been much more reasonable as a story and much better for GW2s development as a whole. i mean we lsot complete focus on the dragons…….we have to go to the next one kitten it. this was the perfect timing to do so. but NOPE SCARLET DID IT.
and i bet scarlet would somehow involved with abbadon aswell

3. and moffat said they never gonna rbign up any classic in the 50th anniversary, there would be no peter capaldi in that, there would be this and that not there.
my point is developers and writer tell a lot of bull jsut to distract.
DO YOU REALLY THINK they make a concept of some content and then NEVER use it again?
LOOK AT EYE OF THE NORTH. lots of concept from utopia went into it jsut to keep it. i tell you they still have the concept and jsut change it from abbadon to some giant beast and the crystal sea to the ruby whtevers. and scarlet will remain.

Razor.9872:

Carighan.6758:

You tried to warn us that Thaumanova would be so much better? Well good thing you did!

Better? lol

No no no, you silly goose. We wanted to meet Scarlet. You know: the god that made GW into GW.

Fixed that for you.

EverythingXen.1835:

Razor.9872:

Carighan.6758:

You tried to warn us that Thaumanova would be so much better? Well good thing you did!

Better? lol

No no no, you silly goose. We wanted to meet Scarlet. You know: the god that made GW into GW.

Fixed that for you.

Ha. No, I doubt there are many who wanted to meet scarlet.

ShroomOneUp.6913:

Razor.9872:

ShroomOneUp.6913:

@at all kiel haters and those who laugh say we told you so.

FIRST OFF: scarlet wasn´t even a thing during the cuthtroat politics. REMEMBER thats she was first revealed druing the jubilee AFTER the dragon bash. yes we heared of a character called scarlet before
but we had no idea who or what she was.
only AFTER jubilee we knew it was a freakin mary sue.
SO you have no right to tell us you knew better.
i even think anet would have bend their lore so much sjtu to put scarlet into the abbadon fractle aswell. making HER the reason he tunred against the other gods int he first place. Don´t pretend they wouldn´t do that. A-Net devs love sylvari and their scarlet.

secound:
HOW THE kitten do you get your facts wrong. YES the inquest was mentioned in the open world thaumnova, BUT NEVER AS OWNERS OF THE PLACE. the thaumanove reactor was a ratasum facility sabotaged by the inquest and the crucibile of eternity was their version of it.mostl likly with stolen blue prints and part from the thaumanove reactor.
WE KIEL VOTER thoaught we would either play the inquest group behind this leading to CoE or trying to stop them but fail story wise.

no one could have know they would shoe horn their kittening MARY SUE IN THEIR. be cause we didn´t knew they had one for it.

thrid: we will get abbadon anyway, they didn´t throw the concepts away you morons. the fractle will come. and NOW it will have definetly scarlet in their…..
so if will suck just as much lore wise.

THANKS ANETBAMA FOR NOT CARING FOR YOUR COSTUMER BUT YOUR OWN SLEFISH OC WISHES

1. I still think we get that right because it was easy to judge importance. ie: What’s more important? Meeting the god that gave magic to Tyria and made GW into what GW is today? Or yet another asura incident? I think that speaks for itself. (might have made it harder for A-net to add Scarlet too considering how far in the past this happened).

2. Fair enough.

3. No…unfortunately. A-net has stated “We will not make both fractals.”
Source: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/cutthroat/IMO-ArenaNet-favors-Evon-Unfair/first

If I could, I would find a way to get Evon unto his rightful place as a council-member. After all, he’s just like Yomm. That alone is evidence to me.

1. their are many arguments why abbadon should NOT be a fractale. first its to epic for it, secound scarlet woudl be shoe horned in somehow, i eman she saw the eternal alchemy and assumably is responsable for everything.
It´s was not a bad angle from most theorist to assume to find out somethign about the actaul first villians of this game msot people don´t remember: the dragons. they disrupt the flow of magic, gorr madea theory in the perosnal story line and proofed it. makign the reactor a disaster because of them would have been much more reasonable as a story and much better for GW2s development as a whole. i mean we lsot complete focus on the dragons…….we have to go to the next one kitten it. this was the perfect timing to do so. but NOPE SCARLET DID IT.
and i bet scarlet would somehow involved with abbadon aswell

3. and moffat said they never gonna rbign up any classic in the 50th anniversary, there would be no peter capaldi in that, there would be this and that not there.
my point is developers and writer tell a lot of bull jsut to distract.
DO YOU REALLY THINK they make a concept of some content and then NEVER use it again?
LOOK AT EYE OF THE NORTH. lots of concept from utopia went into it jsut to keep it. i tell you they still have the concept and jsut change it from abbadon to some giant beast and the crystal sea to the ruby whtevers. and scarlet will remain.

No need to shout, we’re all cool here. I don’t completely understand what you were trying to say in ‘1’, but as for ‘3’, yes — I doubt A-net would revisit Abaddon now. They only have so much development power. Now that the choice was made, they don’t have the manpower to revisit what could have been done. They can only work on what has to be done. Furthermore, if they were to revisit Abaddon it would make the player’s choice mostly irrelevant. They don’t want to do this to the system, as it would make future player choices seem less important if both sides could eventually come true.

Razor.9872:

EverythingXen.1835:

Razor.9872:

Carighan.6758:

You tried to warn us that Thaumanova would be so much better? Well good thing you did!

Better? lol

No no no, you silly goose. We wanted to meet Scarlet. You know: the god that made GW into GW.

Fixed that for you.

Ha. No, I doubt there are many who wanted to meet scarlet.

Without a doubt she’d have been there. She was planned to exist in either fractal back months before this patch went live.

You wanted to meet her and didnt even know it.

Razor.9872:

ShroomOneUp.6913:

Razor.9872:

ShroomOneUp.6913:

@at all kiel haters and those who laugh say we told you so.

FIRST OFF: scarlet wasn´t even a thing during the cuthtroat politics. REMEMBER thats she was first revealed druing the jubilee AFTER the dragon bash. yes we heared of a character called scarlet before
but we had no idea who or what she was.
only AFTER jubilee we knew it was a freakin mary sue.
SO you have no right to tell us you knew better.
i even think anet would have bend their lore so much sjtu to put scarlet into the abbadon fractle aswell. making HER the reason he tunred against the other gods int he first place. Don´t pretend they wouldn´t do that. A-Net devs love sylvari and their scarlet.

secound:
HOW THE kitten do you get your facts wrong. YES the inquest was mentioned in the open world thaumnova, BUT NEVER AS OWNERS OF THE PLACE. the thaumanove reactor was a ratasum facility sabotaged by the inquest and the crucibile of eternity was their version of it.mostl likly with stolen blue prints and part from the thaumanove reactor.
WE KIEL VOTER thoaught we would either play the inquest group behind this leading to CoE or trying to stop them but fail story wise.

no one could have know they would shoe horn their kittening MARY SUE IN THEIR. be cause we didn´t knew they had one for it.

thrid: we will get abbadon anyway, they didn´t throw the concepts away you morons. the fractle will come. and NOW it will have definetly scarlet in their…..
so if will suck just as much lore wise.

THANKS ANETBAMA FOR NOT CARING FOR YOUR COSTUMER BUT YOUR OWN SLEFISH OC WISHES

1. I still think we get that right because it was easy to judge importance. ie: What’s more important? Meeting the god that gave magic to Tyria and made GW into what GW is today? Or yet another asura incident? I think that speaks for itself. (might have made it harder for A-net to add Scarlet too considering how far in the past this happened).

2. Fair enough.

3. No…unfortunately. A-net has stated “We will not make both fractals.”
Source: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/cutthroat/IMO-ArenaNet-favors-Evon-Unfair/first

If I could, I would find a way to get Evon unto his rightful place as a council-member. After all, he’s just like Yomm. That alone is evidence to me.

1. their are many arguments why abbadon should NOT be a fractale. first its to epic for it, secound scarlet woudl be shoe horned in somehow, i eman she saw the eternal alchemy and assumably is responsable for everything.
It´s was not a bad angle from most theorist to assume to find out somethign about the actaul first villians of this game msot people don´t remember: the dragons. they disrupt the flow of magic, gorr madea theory in the perosnal story line and proofed it. makign the reactor a disaster because of them would have been much more reasonable as a story and much better for GW2s development as a whole. i mean we lsot complete focus on the dragons…….we have to go to the next one kitten it. this was the perfect timing to do so. but NOPE SCARLET DID IT.
and i bet scarlet would somehow involved with abbadon aswell

3. and moffat said they never gonna rbign up any classic in the 50th anniversary, there would be no peter capaldi in that, there would be this and that not there.
my point is developers and writer tell a lot of bull jsut to distract.
DO YOU REALLY THINK they make a concept of some content and then NEVER use it again?
LOOK AT EYE OF THE NORTH. lots of concept from utopia went into it jsut to keep it. i tell you they still have the concept and jsut change it from abbadon to some giant beast and the crystal sea to the ruby whtevers. and scarlet will remain.

No need to shout, we’re all cool here. I don’t completely understand what you were trying to say in ‘1’, but as for ‘3’, yes — I doubt A-net would revisit Abaddon now. They only have so much development power. Now that the choice was made, they don’t have the manpower to revisit what could have been done. They can only work on what has to be done. Furthermore, if they were to revisit Abaddon it would make the player’s choice mostly irrelevant. They don’t want to do this to the system, as it would make future player choices seem less important if both sides could eventually come true.

ok ONE in short: scarlet would have been in any fractle no matter how impausible it would be. because “scarlet did it”.
but those who wanted thaumanove wanted dragons tuff not scarlet, we didn´t even knew her then.

three in shourt: they kept it and will use the concept with minor rewrites, namly replacing abbadon with soemthin else and the location.

EverythingXen.1835:

Razor.9872:

EverythingXen.1835:

Razor.9872:

Carighan.6758:

You tried to warn us that Thaumanova would be so much better? Well good thing you did!

Better? lol

No no no, you silly goose. We wanted to meet Scarlet. You know: the god that made GW into GW.

Fixed that for you.

Ha. No, I doubt there are many who wanted to meet scarlet.

Without a doubt she’d have been there. She was planned to exist in either fractal back months before this patch went live.

You wanted to meet her and didnt even know it.

Well, if I had a choice between having an update with Scarlet (YUCK), Kiel (YUCK), and Asura/inquest (yuck) and an update with Scarlet (YUCK), Evon (awesome), and Abaddon (epic), I would have to still pick the later.

Youre a stronger man than I to not allow Scarlet’s YUCK to drag down the rest of the content to similar levels.

/tip hat

ShroomOneUp.6913:

Razor.9872:

ShroomOneUp.6913:

Razor.9872:

ShroomOneUp.6913:

@at all kiel haters and those who laugh say we told you so.

FIRST OFF: scarlet wasn´t even a thing during the cuthtroat politics. REMEMBER thats she was first revealed druing the jubilee AFTER the dragon bash. yes we heared of a character called scarlet before
but we had no idea who or what she was.
only AFTER jubilee we knew it was a freakin mary sue.
SO you have no right to tell us you knew better.
i even think anet would have bend their lore so much sjtu to put scarlet into the abbadon fractle aswell. making HER the reason he tunred against the other gods int he first place. Don´t pretend they wouldn´t do that. A-Net devs love sylvari and their scarlet.

secound:
HOW THE kitten do you get your facts wrong. YES the inquest was mentioned in the open world thaumnova, BUT NEVER AS OWNERS OF THE PLACE. the thaumanove reactor was a ratasum facility sabotaged by the inquest and the crucibile of eternity was their version of it.mostl likly with stolen blue prints and part from the thaumanove reactor.
WE KIEL VOTER thoaught we would either play the inquest group behind this leading to CoE or trying to stop them but fail story wise.

no one could have know they would shoe horn their kittening MARY SUE IN THEIR. be cause we didn´t knew they had one for it.

thrid: we will get abbadon anyway, they didn´t throw the concepts away you morons. the fractle will come. and NOW it will have definetly scarlet in their…..
so if will suck just as much lore wise.

THANKS ANETBAMA FOR NOT CARING FOR YOUR COSTUMER BUT YOUR OWN SLEFISH OC WISHES

1. I still think we get that right because it was easy to judge importance. ie: What’s more important? Meeting the god that gave magic to Tyria and made GW into what GW is today? Or yet another asura incident? I think that speaks for itself. (might have made it harder for A-net to add Scarlet too considering how far in the past this happened).

2. Fair enough.

3. No…unfortunately. A-net has stated “We will not make both fractals.”
Source: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/cutthroat/IMO-ArenaNet-favors-Evon-Unfair/first

If I could, I would find a way to get Evon unto his rightful place as a council-member. After all, he’s just like Yomm. That alone is evidence to me.

1. their are many arguments why abbadon should NOT be a fractale. first its to epic for it, secound scarlet woudl be shoe horned in somehow, i eman she saw the eternal alchemy and assumably is responsable for everything.
It´s was not a bad angle from most theorist to assume to find out somethign about the actaul first villians of this game msot people don´t remember: the dragons. they disrupt the flow of magic, gorr madea theory in the perosnal story line and proofed it. makign the reactor a disaster because of them would have been much more reasonable as a story and much better for GW2s development as a whole. i mean we lsot complete focus on the dragons…….we have to go to the next one kitten it. this was the perfect timing to do so. but NOPE SCARLET DID IT.
and i bet scarlet would somehow involved with abbadon aswell

3. and moffat said they never gonna rbign up any classic in the 50th anniversary, there would be no peter capaldi in that, there would be this and that not there.
my point is developers and writer tell a lot of bull jsut to distract.
DO YOU REALLY THINK they make a concept of some content and then NEVER use it again?
LOOK AT EYE OF THE NORTH. lots of concept from utopia went into it jsut to keep it. i tell you they still have the concept and jsut change it from abbadon to some giant beast and the crystal sea to the ruby whtevers. and scarlet will remain.

No need to shout, we’re all cool here. I don’t completely understand what you were trying to say in ‘1’, but as for ‘3’, yes — I doubt A-net would revisit Abaddon now. They only have so much development power. Now that the choice was made, they don’t have the manpower to revisit what could have been done. They can only work on what has to be done. Furthermore, if they were to revisit Abaddon it would make the player’s choice mostly irrelevant. They don’t want to do this to the system, as it would make future player choices seem less important if both sides could eventually come true.

ok ONE in short: scarlet would have been in any fractle no matter how impausible it would be. because “scarlet did it”.
but those who wanted thaumanove wanted dragons tuff not scarlet, we didn´t even knew her then.

three in shourt: they kept it and will use the concept with minor rewrites, namly replacing abbadon with soemthin else and the location.

Ok, I’ve come to accept ‘1’ by now. But with ‘3’, would the concept with Abaddon and the past really be the same without Abaddon and…well…the past? :\

Dear Kiel voters,

Thanks to you, Scarlet is now permanently part of our fractals experience. I hope you guys like her, because I don’t like her.

Warm regards,
Evon Gnashblade supporter

DanteZero.9736:

Dear Kiel voters,

Thanks to you, Scarlet is now permanently part of our fractals experience. I hope you guys like her, because I don’t like her.

Warm regards,
Evon Gnashblade supporter

dear evon supporter,
if you had won she would have been used any way because scarlet did it.

Razor.9872:

ShroomOneUp.6913:

Razor.9872:

ShroomOneUp.6913:

Razor.9872:

ShroomOneUp.6913:

@at all kiel haters and those who laugh say we told you so.

beep

1. I still think we get that right because it was easy to judge importance. ie: What’s more important? Meeting the god that gave magic to Tyria and made GW into what GW is today? Or yet another asura incident? I think that speaks for itself. (might have made it harder for A-net to add Scarlet too considering how far in the past this happened).

2. Fair enough.

3. No…unfortunately. A-net has stated “We will not make both fractals.”
Source: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/cutthroat/IMO-ArenaNet-favors-Evon-Unfair/first

If I could, I would find a way to get Evon unto his rightful place as a council-member. After all, he’s just like Yomm. That alone is evidence to me.

1. their are many arguments why abbadon should NOT be a fractale. first its to epic for it, secound scarlet woudl be shoe horned in somehow, i eman she saw the eternal alchemy and assumably is responsable for everything.
It´s was not a bad angle from most theorist to assume to find out somethign about the actaul first villians of this game msot people don´t remember: the dragons. they disrupt the flow of magic, gorr madea theory in the perosnal story line and proofed it. makign the reactor a disaster because of them would have been much more reasonable as a story and much better for GW2s development as a whole. i mean we lsot complete focus on the dragons…….we have to go to the next one kitten it. this was the perfect timing to do so. but NOPE SCARLET DID IT.
and i bet scarlet would somehow involved with abbadon aswell

3. and moffat said they never gonna rbign up any classic in the 50th anniversary, there would be no peter capaldi in that, there would be this and that not there.
my point is developers and writer tell a lot of bull jsut to distract.
DO YOU REALLY THINK they make a concept of some content and then NEVER use it again?
LOOK AT EYE OF THE NORTH. lots of concept from utopia went into it jsut to keep it. i tell you they still have the concept and jsut change it from abbadon to some giant beast and the crystal sea to the ruby whtevers. and scarlet will remain.

No need to shout, we’re all cool here. I don’t completely understand what you were trying to say in ‘1’, but as for ‘3’, yes — I doubt A-net would revisit Abaddon now. They only have so much development power. Now that the choice was made, they don’t have the manpower to revisit what could have been done. They can only work on what has to be done. Furthermore, if they were to revisit Abaddon it would make the player’s choice mostly irrelevant. They don’t want to do this to the system, as it would make future player choices seem less important if both sides could eventually come true.

ok ONE in short: scarlet would have been in any fractle no matter how impausible it would be. because “scarlet did it”.
but those who wanted thaumanove wanted dragons tuff not scarlet, we didn´t even knew her then.

three in shourt: they kept it and will use the concept with minor rewrites, namly replacing abbadon with soemthin else and the location.

Ok, I’ve come to accept ‘1’ by now. But with ‘3’, would the concept with Abaddon and the past really be the same without Abaddon and…well…the past? :\

trust me, if you change the thing you fight, here abbadon to something other enourmous big thing, and the location the mmechnaics the puzzles and everythign else can stay. they might jsut make another giatn living staue fractle,like the one where we have to free that guy.

ShroomOneUp.6913:

Razor.9872:

ShroomOneUp.6913:

Razor.9872:

ShroomOneUp.6913:

Razor.9872:

ShroomOneUp.6913:

@at all kiel haters and those who laugh say we told you so.

beep

1. I still think we get that right because it was easy to judge importance. ie: What’s more important? Meeting the god that gave magic to Tyria and made GW into what GW is today? Or yet another asura incident? I think that speaks for itself. (might have made it harder for A-net to add Scarlet too considering how far in the past this happened).

2. Fair enough.

3. No…unfortunately. A-net has stated “We will not make both fractals.”
Source: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/cutthroat/IMO-ArenaNet-favors-Evon-Unfair/first

If I could, I would find a way to get Evon unto his rightful place as a council-member. After all, he’s just like Yomm. That alone is evidence to me.

1. their are many arguments why abbadon should NOT be a fractale. first its to epic for it, secound scarlet woudl be shoe horned in somehow, i eman she saw the eternal alchemy and assumably is responsable for everything.
It´s was not a bad angle from most theorist to assume to find out somethign about the actaul first villians of this game msot people don´t remember: the dragons. they disrupt the flow of magic, gorr madea theory in the perosnal story line and proofed it. makign the reactor a disaster because of them would have been much more reasonable as a story and much better for GW2s development as a whole. i mean we lsot complete focus on the dragons…….we have to go to the next one kitten it. this was the perfect timing to do so. but NOPE SCARLET DID IT.
and i bet scarlet would somehow involved with abbadon aswell

3. and moffat said they never gonna rbign up any classic in the 50th anniversary, there would be no peter capaldi in that, there would be this and that not there.
my point is developers and writer tell a lot of bull jsut to distract.
DO YOU REALLY THINK they make a concept of some content and then NEVER use it again?
LOOK AT EYE OF THE NORTH. lots of concept from utopia went into it jsut to keep it. i tell you they still have the concept and jsut change it from abbadon to some giant beast and the crystal sea to the ruby whtevers. and scarlet will remain.

No need to shout, we’re all cool here. I don’t completely understand what you were trying to say in ‘1’, but as for ‘3’, yes — I doubt A-net would revisit Abaddon now. They only have so much development power. Now that the choice was made, they don’t have the manpower to revisit what could have been done. They can only work on what has to be done. Furthermore, if they were to revisit Abaddon it would make the player’s choice mostly irrelevant. They don’t want to do this to the system, as it would make future player choices seem less important if both sides could eventually come true.

ok ONE in short: scarlet would have been in any fractle no matter how impausible it would be. because “scarlet did it”.
but those who wanted thaumanove wanted dragons tuff not scarlet, we didn´t even knew her then.

three in shourt: they kept it and will use the concept with minor rewrites, namly replacing abbadon with soemthin else and the location.

Ok, I’ve come to accept ‘1’ by now. But with ‘3’, would the concept with Abaddon and the past really be the same without Abaddon and…well…the past? :\

trust me, if you change the thing you fight, here abbadon to something other enourmous big thing, and the location the mmechnaics the puzzles and everythign else can stay. they might jsut make another giatn living staue fractle,like the one where we have to free that guy.

Yeah, but I wanted to fight alongside the human gods and learn more on Abaddon’s past. It just wouldn’t be the same.

well it would jsut look different in terms of bumb mapping.

DanteZero.9736:

Dear Kiel voters,

Thanks to you, Scarlet is now permanently part of our fractals experience. I hope you guys like her, because I don’t like her.

Warm regards,
Evon Gnashblade supporter

you should be thanking them, at least we didn’t have to see Scarlet turn up and kill Abaddon.

Thobek.1730:

DanteZero.9736:

Dear Kiel voters,

Thanks to you, Scarlet is now permanently part of our fractals experience. I hope you guys like her, because I don’t like her.

Warm regards,
Evon Gnashblade supporter

you should be thanking them, at least we didn’t have to see Scarlet turn up and kill Abaddon.

Abaddon would have slapped Scarlet silly :P

Thobek.1730:

you should be thanking them, at least we didn’t have to see Scarlet turn up and kill Abaddon.

No, but the Writer, Angel McCoy, basically made Human God worthless according to the new lore. Oh, and Angel McCoy was the one that came up with Scarlet for the whole Living Story, if you are wondering.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/lore/Angel-McCoy-Interview

I didn’t play GW1 so me chosing Kiel over the charr was easy since I was more interested in a story about something that is present in this game rather then the story about something from a game I never played.

It’s like Anet’s own version of Jennifer Brandes Hepler, the writer who helped ruin the Dragon Age franchise.

I’ll leave you all to fill in the blanks on the similarities.

Devildoc.6721:

At least with the Abaddon fractal there wouldn’t be Scarlet.

Don’t bet on it

Astralporing.1957:

Devildoc.6721:

At least with the Abaddon fractal there wouldn’t be Scarlet.

Don’t bet on it

If they managed to put Scarlet in the fall of Abaddon and imply that she was the reason for Abaddon’s defiance, it’d be a reason to quit GW2 permanently.

Dear writing team: The best thing you could do is get her killed off and retconned out of the Thaumanova fractal, she’s not a good villain and all and if you really want to make it up to people, hand her creator a pink slip. The fact that even if she does die in the next living story she’s permanently in fractals is a mistake.

We thought Guild Wars 2 was going to be about Elder Dragons, not Mary Sue Sylvari, and so far we’ve had a Gary Stu AND Mary Sue Sylvari dominating the story of GW2.

We get it, you’re proud of your little plant elf race, but honestly I’m getting sick of them.

First:

For the people blaming Kiel voters about getting Scarlet: If we had known we would not have voted for it. But springing it as a surprise is not our fault. You can’t blame us by Anet wanting to impinge us with this City of Heroes villain character in GW2 and insert her in every single possible instance.

Second:

Stop thinking Abaddon would have been SO good. It’s a 15 minute instance bumped to 1 hour once mobs have enough HP and one hitting damage. Your belief of an epic tale sustains you more than reality would have when confronted with a 15 minute tale. Think of the Searing fractal couple with the Cliff fractal. You would have had Abaddon giant figure fighting in the background with a Mecha wearing Scarlet while you’d be dealing with some random minions. Which leads me to…

Third:

THANK US!!! Thanks to us you can still live thinking of how awesome the Abaddon instance could have been instead of the stark reality of being confronted with Abaddon ‘throwing a tantrum’ while being sissy kitten slapped by Scarlet wearing a Neo Evangelion mecha suit.

Can we all just agree that Anet can no longer write a good story and be done with it? Look into the future…Scarlet…Scarlet everywhere…Scarlet for every story!

Devildoc.6721:

If they managed to put Scarlet in the fall of Abaddon and imply that she was the reason for Abaddon’s defiance, it’d be a reason to quit GW2 permanently.

If the Story were the main reason for me play GW2 I would have been out a while back. I can’t believe the writing team can’t see how much fail Scarlet is. I can understand the person who created her might have been fulfuling the whole Sue thing, but for multiple ppl to not say “woooow.. this.. this is not a good character.” yeah, don’t get it.

Devildoc.6721:

Dear writing team: The best thing you could do is get her killed off and retconned out of the Thaumanova fractal, she’s not a good villain and all and if you really want to make it up to people, hand her creator a pink slip. The fact that even if she does die in the next living story she’s permanently in fractals is a mistake.

We thought Guild Wars 2 was going to be about Elder Dragons, not Mary Sue Sylvari, and so far we’ve had a Gary Stu AND Mary Sue Sylvari dominating the story of GW2.

We get it, you’re proud of your little plant elf race, but honestly I’m getting sick of them.

agreed. “Finishing what you started” doesn’t matter anymore. It should be apparent that every time Anet wants us to “wait & see” the result is a much deeper more pathetic hole of Scarlet. The only way to make progress is to go back in time & Terminator her out of existence, which we have an opportunity to do by using the instability of the reactor to hop back & time & wipe out her existence.

Darksun it doesn’t matter even if the writing team can see it. If you go read the interview section with the head writer and see the kinda powers she was given over GW2’s story. Combined with her intense love of the Sylvari it doesn’t matter how bad it gets or what a majority of the fanbase thinks or even what it does the long standing lore of so many other writers involved with this series.

She will just do whatever she wants and at risk of just getting this post deleted. I’d compare that mentality more to that of a fanfiction writer then a professional of their craft.

Qawsada.4251:

Oh, and Angel McCoy was the one that came up with Scarlet for the whole Living Story, if you are wondering.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/lore/Angel-McCoy-Interview

thanks for the info, I am wondering that – where is the quote that says she was the person who invented Scarlet? It worries me if this is what she thinks a good villain is what other characters has she come up with?

Still wish Evon would have won…

Kiel would have won regardless of which fractal is assign to whom or who provided which discount. Kiel won because she is human. Just look at the % of people who rolled humans and charrs.

Personally i voted against Evon because Evon is a businessman and (more of) a politician.

FateOmega.9601:

Kiel would have won regardless of which fractal is assign to whom or who provided which discount. Kiel won because she is human. Just look at the % of people who rolled humans and charrs.

Personally i voted against Evon because Evon is a businessman and (more of) a politician.

Not to mention he’s just like Yomm — one of the founding members who made LA what it is today. Without him, LA would be more of a town than a city.

LA would have prospered regardless once the place is safe. Evon just saw a good opportunity and took it.

FateOmega.9601:

LA would have prospered regardless once the place is safe. Evon just saw a good opportunity and took it.

I was talking about Yomm.

DanteZero.9736:

Dear Kiel voters,

Thanks to you, Scarlet is now permanently part of our fractals experience. I hope you guys like her, because I don’t like her.

Warm regards,
Evon Gnashblade supporter

You do realise that if it had been abaddon that Scarlet would have been in it as well. Thus making it even more of an abomination.

Either one would have been entirely up to the quality of the writers and content designers, I haven’t played this one yet but if it sucks total kitten like the rest of this ridiculous, hateful patch then I’m confident that the Abbadon fractal would have been just as kitten.

Kanto.1659:

First:

For the people blaming Kiel voters about getting Scarlet: If we had known we would not have voted for it. But springing it as a surprise is not our fault. You can’t blame us by Anet wanting to impinge us with this City of Heroes villain character in GW2 and insert her in every single possible instance.

Second:

Stop thinking Abaddon would have been SO good. It’s a 15 minute instance bumped to 1 hour once mobs have enough HP and one hitting damage. Your belief of an epic tale sustains you more than reality would have when confronted with a 15 minute tale. Think of the Searing fractal couple with the Cliff fractal. You would have had Abaddon giant figure fighting in the background with a Mecha wearing Scarlet while you’d be dealing with some random minions. Which leads me to…

Third:

THANK US!!! Thanks to us you can still live thinking of how awesome the Abaddon instance could have been instead of the stark reality of being confronted with Abaddon ‘throwing a tantrum’ while being sissy kitten slapped by Scarlet wearing a Neo Evangelion mecha suit.

This is exactly my thoughts. Thank you Kiel supporters because otherwise, Scarlet would have been shoehorned in horribly into already established GW lore.

I don’t understand what the hell Anet’s writers are doing with this game. They set themselves up so well; GW1’s lore is pretty kitten rich and detailed. And yet, they haven’t capitalised on it at all. Instead we get a fan fiction-tier antagonist shoved down our throats every two seconds.

So yeah, thanks Kiel supporters. You probably did all of us a favour. /bow

I think there is a little bit of a misconception involved here.

Writing for a game doesn’t just happen on the fly. Scarlet was developed and at least her rough outline mapped out LONG before Cutthroat Politics came into play. She pretty much HAD to be so that the artists and programmers could have stuff ready for these releases.

What does that mean for the new fractal? Well, simply put… REGARDLESS of which fractal was going into this game, it was GOING to tie into the “central” plot they’re advancing currently. No matter what, Scarlet was going to have SOME impact. What exactly that would have been (whether she somehow “hacked” into the fractal to take something of importance or something within that Abaddon fractal would foreshadow her emergence, for example) I can’t say… but it WOULD have an impact.

I’m sorry that might hurt to think about.

Good thing Kiel won or we would’ve encountered Scarlett while facing Abaddon

I don’t think “Scarlet was the cause of Abaddon’s fall” would have been an improvement over this.

Ultimately what this points to is that the vote was likely rigged like the current antitoxin injections.

Wait, I thought back when the Cutthroat Politics were running, the “evil antagonist” was Mai Trin, and there was only little mention of Scarlet during the Aetherblade Retreat ending. Molten Alliance mentioned nothing of her either.

Perhaps ANet already planned out that Thaumanova Reactor was Scarlet’s doing months ago, but how are people supposed to know during the vote? If all the players knew that Kiel’s Fractal will feature a villain that everyone will hate to see in the future, Gnashblade would definitely have an overwhelming victory.

What if Scarlet is Abaddon?

I still think a good way to continue Scarlet is to eventually give in that she’s “too much” for a normal person, and is either a reincarnation of an elder dragon (Zhaaaiiiitaaaaan! Wouldn’t you love Scarlet as the lvl80 personal story boss? ) in a more sexy design, or is an underling of one.

FateOmega.9601:

Kiel would have won regardless of which fractal is assign to whom or who provided which discount. Kiel won because she is human. Just look at the % of people who rolled humans and charrs.

Personally i voted against Evon because Evon is a businessman and (more of) a politician.

I voted for Evon for being businessman and being politician…

Slick and evil gets the job done… unlike Kiel who took credit for all the work the player did.

Soulstar.7812:

FateOmega.9601:

Kiel would have won regardless of which fractal is assign to whom or who provided which discount. Kiel won because she is human. Just look at the % of people who rolled humans and charrs.

Personally i voted against Evon because Evon is a businessman and (more of) a politician.

I voted for Evon for being businessman and being politician…

Slick and evil gets the job done… unlike Kiel who took credit for all the work the player did.

slick and evil works because of stupid people.

Honestly there’s a very simple reason I voted Kiel, and it has nothing to do with who I liked more:
The amount of crazy “Omg omg omg Abaddon, GW1 iz liek best garme ev0r, vote Evon nubbs, kitten Kiel”-posts on the forums kitten ed me off.

GW1 wasn’t the rose-tinted version you now remember. Abaddon was a weak lore element. In fact, humans are – as always – a rather boring race in this MMO, and it’s predecessor suffered from being locked into them.

I didn’t dislike Evon.
I dislike you, the slobbering GW1 fanboi!