Guild Wars 2

Ever since Fractals came out it created problems and a lot of players left this game because of fractals.

Everything related with fractals…. it always creates problems.

How many players play level 30~50 fractals? probably 0.0005% of all gw2 community.

When will Anet realize ppl dont like fractals…….

My conclusion is Fractals must be gone forever…Fractals will never be gw2 it never was and it never will be past and future~ period.It must be gone……

The best contents of this game was “The Tower of Nightmares”….it was by far the best MMORPG contents ive ever played. that is wat i call GW2.

i want a lot of living story coming quick and contains lots of fun.
playing fractals make me think as being a farmer.
especially the agony part. if the ar damage represented in game as something like “boss’s electrical storm calling from sky, or something very poison released by the boss, i will feel so much better.”
i don’t like the design of agony because it seems boring and no creative, just like something stupid mechanic in order to decrease my health.

i have 2 legendary and maybe 500 gold in hand, but i don’t spend money on ar.
and i don’t play fractals above level 10 because of the design of agony.

i want a creative environment makes me feel fun and surprise.
i want fun, not farm.
i want to play games, not played by stupid game mechanic.

i always found fractals to be alot of fun..and they can be used to add cool mechanics or storylines that we otherwise wouldnt see in the game

i like the story in fractals but i do not like agony. make me feels stupid and feel like a stupid farmer.

haviz.1340:

And this is why this game goes downhill spectacularly fast.

They are working for scarlet

Hsin.5294:

i want a lot of living story coming quick and contains lots of fun.
playing fractals make me think as being a farmer.
especially the agony part. if the ar damage represented in game as something like “boss’s electrical storm calling from sky, or something very poison released by the boss, i will feel so much better.”
i don’t like the design of agony because it seems boring and no creative, just like something stupid mechanic in order to decrease my health.

i have 2 legendary and maybe 500 gold in hand, but i don’t spend money on ar.
and i don’t play fractals above level 10 because of the design of agony.

i want a creative environment makes me feel fun and surprise.
i want fun, not farm.
i want to play games, not played by stupid game mechanic.

That is a funny complaint, cause I always thought of Fractals as the only PvE content in the game where you cant just zerk faceroll everything or spam 1 autoattack in a zerg like in the tower you mention.

Ironically, if not for the numerous bugs, I think it is the only content in this game which filters out the stupid people unable to pass these simple mechanics.

And if you have a legendary with 500 gold, you don’t farm ? Did you just buy these via credit card ? Go to www.google.com and look up the word “hypocrisy”. It will enlighten you.

klesk.1790:

How many players play level 30~50 fractals? probably 0.0005% of all gw2 community.

When will Anet realize ppl dont like fractals…….

Fractals are well designed high-end content – high end content is not for everyone; is another reason why not many players do it (I am not sure where you get those statistics from though). Some players prefer casual content and the fractals are so well designed so that even these people can get decent rewards from 10 – 28.

If you don’t like them, don’t do them. There are vast amounts of other things to do in the game. The tower is still there; nothing is stopping you from ignoring the fractals.

klesk.1790:

Ever since Fractals came out it created problems and a lot of players left this game because of fractals.

Everything related with fractals…. it always creates problems.

How many players play level 30~50 fractals? probably 0.0005% of all gw2 community.

When will Anet realize ppl dont like fractals…….

My conclusion is Fractals must be gone forever…Fractals will never be gw2 it never was and it never will be past and future~ period.It must be gone……

The best contents of this game was “The Tower of Nightmares”….it was by far the best MMORPG contents ive ever played. that is wat i call GW2.

Shut up, Cartman.

i am not farmer, seriously. the mechanic of trading post is where my money is generated.
but i don’t want to talk too much in this subject.

what i want to tell anet is that, i want a creative environment.
the agony’s damage can still exist but i want it to represented in another form.
such as fire ball from sky, traps that placed by boss..

Hsin.5294:

i like the story in fractals but i do not like agony. make me feels stupid and feel like a stupid farmer.

So don’t do lvl 10+ Fractals?
Problem solved. You get to enjoy the story of the Fractals, and you don’t get any Agony. Win-win.

i am not saying the system of agony damage is complicated.
i am saying the system of agony damage making me thinking about farm and earn more agony-resistant, and by farming so i can continue to play fractals.

of course i can buy lots of agony resistant now (for +1ar 30 silvers now?), but i just don’t want to.

yes, and playing level 1~10 is what i do now.
maybe level 11~12 few times 1 month ago as i remembered.

Hsin.5294:

i am not farmer, seriously. the mechanic of trading post is where my money is generated.
but i don’t want to talk too much in this subject.

what i want to tell anet is that, i want a creative environment.
the agony’s damage can still exist but i want it to represented in another form.
such as fire ball from sky, traps that placed by boss..

Just a bit of info: with the ecception of the last bosses (4th frac), you can avoid every single Agony strike with skillful play.

Hsin.5294:

i am not farmer, seriously. the mechanic of trading post is where my money is generated.

I personally find working the TP incredibly boring, but I am not running around saying that it should be removed from the game and is dumb because I get that some people (like you) enjoy that sort of thing.

Hsin.5294:

the agony’s damage can still exist but i want it to represented in another form.
such as fire ball from sky, traps that placed by boss..

Apart from Jade Maw (and, er, I guess the other new bonus bosses) ALL agony WITHOUT exception can be dodged. If you want to avoid the bonus bosses play odd-numbered fractal levels.

• “Fire ball from sky” – lava shaman’s agony attack is fire arrows. Close enough.
• “Traps that placed by boss” – the first cliffside (“Collosus fractal”) boss is a necromancer and places marks. Close enough.

Agony resist is not a “silly mechanic that reduces health,” it’s a progression system. Just like a level 2 character has no place in a level 80 zone, a 2AR character has no place in a level 30 fractal. When you have enough AR, agony does virtually no damage to you (1% of your HP pool if you have at least the “correct” amount of AR).

i know parts of agony damage can be dodge.
wiki described:
" Agony resistance is vital at higher levels because the Jade Maw and other final boss encounters passively inflict agony and this cannot be avoided by normal means."

i just don’t like to be defeated by agony.
i want to be defeated by other means.

And you won’t be defeated by Agony unless you go into lvl 15+ without any form of resistance.
And by then you would most likely have gotten at least one ring and enough relics to buy a basic infusion.

Marna Nindar.8120:

Just a bit of info: with the ecception of the last bosses (4th frac), you can avoid every single Agony strike with skillful play.

What do you mean by that?

klesk.1790:

Ever since Fractals came out it created problems and a lot of players left this game because of fractals.

Everything related with fractals…. it always creates problems.

How many players play level 30~50 fractals? probably 0.0005% of all gw2 community.

When will Anet realize ppl dont like fractals…….

My conclusion is Fractals must be gone forever…Fractals will never be gw2 it never was and it never will be past and future~ period.It must be gone……

The best contents of this game was “The Tower of Nightmares”….it was by far the best MMORPG contents ive ever played. that is wat i call GW2.

If this is not a joke, then I feel sorry for you. Enjoy boring and stupid Tower and leave the only challenging content alone.

lordkrall:
sure, thank you for informing that.
do you know why i hate agony so much?
like the following is in my mind:

if i don’t get ar, i can’t go higher level
=> if i get ar, i can go higher level
=> if i get higher level, i can get more ar
=> if i get more ar, i can go higher level

i know some people like fractals, but i think there should also some people don’t like fractals because of the mechanic of agony.
they are just not saying it publicly.

let me repeat my feeling again:
i like the story of fractals, but i don’t like the agony.

Marna Nindar.8120:

Hsin.5294:

i am not farmer, seriously. the mechanic of trading post is where my money is generated.
but i don’t want to talk too much in this subject.

what i want to tell anet is that, i want a creative environment.
the agony’s damage can still exist but i want it to represented in another form.
such as fire ball from sky, traps that placed by boss..

Just a bit of info: with the ecception of the last bosses (4th frac), you can avoid every single Agony strike with skillful play.

i can accept the idea that the agony can be dodge.
but i just hate some agony that can not be dodge.
therefore, the only way to against that kind of evade-prevent agony is to buy(or farm) a high agony resistance gear.

i respect everyone has his own opinion.
also i think i can have my own opinion too.

personally, i play gw2 because i saw that people said we DO NOT need to farm in this game.

My only gripe with fractals is that high-level Fractals are (and will likely stay) the most efficient way to obtain Ascended equipment (and I see it becoming a standard, which bugs me).
Other than that (and as long as you don’t care about ascended) – why would you be bothered by a type of content you are not forced to do, but others may enjoy? It’s like people complaining about the SAB.

Frotee.2634:

My only gripe with fractals is that high-level Fractals are (and will likely stay) the most efficient way to obtain Ascended equipment (and I see it becoming a standard, which bugs me).
Other than that (and as long as you don’t care about ascended) – why would you be bothered by a type of content you are not forced to do, but others may enjoy? It’s like people complaining about the SAB.

sure, so i said i respected the people who like it.
i am just saying that i don’t like it, that’s all.

haviz.1340:

And this is why this game goes downhill spectacularly fast.

I thought the same when I read the top post. The post (much more so than what it talks about) sums up the issues with the game much better than any other thread.

Frotee.2634:

My only gripe with fractals is that high-level Fractals are (and will likely stay) the most efficient way to obtain Ascended equipment (and I see it becoming a standard, which bugs me).

But if they were to ever fix the inherent imbalance Ascended items present, it’d be make perfect sense that they were mostly obtained via FotM.

Hsin.5294:

Marna Nindar.8120:

Hsin.5294:

i am not farmer, seriously. the mechanic of trading post is where my money is generated.
but i don’t want to talk too much in this subject.

what i want to tell anet is that, i want a creative environment.
the agony’s damage can still exist but i want it to represented in another form.
such as fire ball from sky, traps that placed by boss..

Just a bit of info: with the ecception of the last bosses (4th frac), you can avoid every single Agony strike with skillful play.

i can accept the idea that the agony can be dodge.
but i just hate some agony that can not be dodge.
therefore, the only way to against that kind of evade-prevent agony is to buy(or farm) a high agony resistance gear.

i respect everyone has his own opinion.
also i think i can have my own opinion too.

personally, i play gw2 because i saw that people said we DO NOT need to farm in this game.

I have to agree with you here. I don’t like that i order to survive the last agony attack you must have gear and your ability to get there isn’t taken in consideration, but in the end this is how they are conceived and now I merely accept it as part of the fractal mechanics. Anyway, it really isn’t a big problem if you play often, since you could reach 50 AR without needing much gold (assuming you already have ascended weapons, everything except the ascended back can be taken with tokens, guild mission items, laurels and small amounts of gold).

Never liked fotm, and probably never will. Did all the maps and leveled to 10, then stopped. Repeating the same maps over and over again is just not any fun to me.
This is why this whole update will probably be skipped, absolutely nothing for me to do since I don’t do the fotm so I guess I get a 2 week vacation with no LS.

Hsin.5294:

the only way to against that kind of evade-prevent agony is to buy(or farm) a high agony resistance gear.

You can’t buy AR gear, just saying. You can easily buy rings for laurels or pristine relics and infuse. No farm needed.
Imo, if you can afford 1850 relics backpiece, you could afford 75 relics infusion. If you can’t spare few relics on agony resistance, then just play level 10. Complaining about how fractals work is pointless, agony is there since the beginning so you have a choice: play higher levels or don’t.

Of couse we do not need to farm in this game. Greens and blues are for free. Nobody is forcing you to farm ascended backpiece, you can wear the one from personal story or from orr temples. You want to level to 80 and receive the best gear for free? Not possible (yet), but I expect anything with community like this.

I agree. Wait for 6 months. Then do random stuff and reset everyone to 10. Then wait again for 6 months and just remove fractals.

klesk.1790:

The best contents of this game was “The Tower of Nightmares”….it was by far the best MMORPG contents ive ever played. that is wat i call GW2.

What was so exciting about the Tower of Nightmares? Really the only thing that stood out in that content for me was the fact that the artwork/environment seemed to be pretty well designed (though I wouldn’t call it the best content I’ve ever played).

Agony is just another levelling system.

You could say all of these exact arguments about the defense attribute on armor. A level 2 character venturing into a level 80 zone simply won’t have the defense (or vitality stat) to deal with the mobs that are there. In exactly the same way (with no reservations) AR prevents you from going into a level area which you have not progressed to.

It has absolutely and entirely nothing to do with being a silly character killing mechanic – if you have the correct level (which is called “agony resistance” in this case) agony does virtually no damage to you and you do not need to dodge it; or care that you are unable to dodge it.

It’s additional type of levelling for players who want to progress past 80 levels (the concept of levels above your level cap is called “end-game”). Granted, it’s a very strange levelling system (with the crafting etc.).

I don’t think there’s any problem with fractals. They’re decent enough content to play (fun, challenging). I never bothered with them a lot, because I’m not a PvE player, but imo it makes the game better. Stop QQing.

I use to frequent the Fractal up until the update. I never ask for the crap that Anet did by shoving a living story to it. Even worse, they shove kittening Scarlet in it. Now its permanent into the fractal and I cannot enjoy it anymore because SHE EXIST IN THE kittenING FRACTAL. For god sake, they could add more lore for the asura and inquest but no, they add kittening Scarlet in it.

Within a week, all the zerg pve players will leave and the Fractal Players will get all the crap from the Living story that was left behind.

I have over 1000 fractals done in this game, and I can say I don’t necessarily like them, I just want my fractal skins, which I have yet to get the ones I want.

Mostly, I hate RNG, get rid of RNG, not fractals.

The concept is nice…the agony bit…you can avoid that if you want to, it was mostly added for those that do like vertical progression. However, there’s nothing in the fractals that cannot be accessed without it.

I’m as much against vertical progression as the next guy, but the fractals are actually very well designed…limiting vertical progression to a specific area of the game with no limitations on playable content. There’s no other MMO I know of that combines horizontal and vertical progression so well as fractals do.

‘When will Anet realize ppl dont like fractals…….’
That’s your own opinion. I personally think fractals is the single best update the game has had in the last year. Its challenging, its well-structured, and at least until you got them all, it has very nice rewards which isn’t based on RNG but also take a while to get.

Personally, I think ToN is just a massive zergfest through a tower, whilst farming keys with a ridiculously low droprate, to open a chest with a equally low droprate to give you the special rewards. If that’s not a massive grind, I have no idea what is, especially considering that the final boss of the tower is pretty much a faceroll without anything challenging about it whatsoever.

Also, even if fractals are that bad, why should they take it out of the game just because you don’t like it? You’re not forced to do it. As for your argument of a low number of people doing 30-50. Well, 5% of players raided in WoW TBC. Let’s take raids out of WoW shall we?

zamalek.2154:

If you want to avoid the bonus bosses play odd-numbered fractal levels.

This was only true until the “Fractured” update. Now there is always a “bonus” fractal.

If you look on the fractals from a lore standpoint, it’s amazing.

Just to provide a balance on the weight scale here and cancel out some negativity, I like fractals, they’re good glimpses of memories/fragments of the past, both lore-wise and the content itself is challenging under somewhat tough circumstances.

What I don’t like is developers creating difficult conditions that don’t get tested thoroughly so that you get lots of spurious behaviour…

Molten Facility boss fractal anyone? If party wipes, and you click reset, hands up if only half your party or your whole party ressed immediately into the fight only to be killed off again??
That mechanism to port the whole party into the battle ring is really AWFUL! Why couldn’t they do like for Old Tom or the Snowblind fractal, put an object on the outside of the boss platform which you have to interact with in order to be ported into the fight ring? The fight against two crazy kitten bosses spamming agony left and right if huddled together is very unforgiving if you cannot enter the battle on your own terms.
Ankittenhe only one who doesn’t really see the point of a capped leaderboard? It will be static and first-come,first-served until next time Fractals get more levels… is that of any interest??

But on the whole – Fractals are nice dungeons to have in GW2.

klesk.1790:

Ever since Fractals came out it created problems and a lot of players left this game because of fractals.

Everything related with fractals…. it always creates problems.

How many players play level 30~50 fractals? probably 0.0005% of all gw2 community.

When will Anet realize ppl dont like fractals…….

My conclusion is Fractals must be gone forever…Fractals will never be gw2 it never was and it never will be past and future~ period.It must be gone……

The best contents of this game was “The Tower of Nightmares”….it was by far the best MMORPG contents ive ever played. that is wat i call GW2.

Is this a troll post? your saying only 17.5 people play 30+ fracs and making lots of assumptions because your not happy?

What’s your problem?

Don’t like fractal? Don’t play it. End of story…

By no means fractal is something that one has to play in order to be competitive. Every bit of ascended gear you can get there can be achieved elsewhere, but you won’t need it anyway since it adds very few stats if you don’t care the agony resistance.

Fractal has some big issues right now, I can totally agree with that, but saying that it must be gone forever? Don’t be ridiculous..even if 1 player liked it, it would have been a nice add to the game, since it has no impact at all on the game of those who don’t play it.

I really hate to be so categorical on the forums, but there is a limit to the crap one can read while staying silent..

isendel.5049:

What’s your problem?

Don’t like fractal? Don’t play it. End of story…

By no means fractal is something that one has to play in order to be competitive. Every bit of ascended gear you can get there can be achieved elsewhere, but you won’t need it anyway since it adds very few stats if you don’t care the agony resistance.

Fractal has some big issues right now, I can totally agree with that, but saying that it must be gone forever? Don’t be ridiculous..even if 1 player liked it, it would have been a nice add to the game, since it has no impact at all on the game of those who don’t play it.

I really hate to be so categorical on the forums, but there is a limit to the crap one can read while staying silent..

True that. I am starting to pull out of the forums because its becoming a den of troll’s and naysayers. Very little constructive is actually said here nowadays sadly.

Wow this thread is really pointless. The statistic is completely wrong & the people complainig about “AR is a farm” while they have multiple legendaries are hypocrites.
Don’t like them, don’t do them. I seriously haven’t read such a nuisance in this Forum for quite a while.

Has to be trolling. Tower of Nightmares > Fractals? Try harder please.

And I do personally consider FotM the top tier of PvE content. Aside from Arah dungeon it’s the only PvE content that actually requires people to cooperate with each other.

Considering also a lv 28/38 fotm back in the days when I pug and usually can get a party within 5 minutes, I doubt very few people do them.

Tachii, my thoughts exactly. This has to be a troll. If not OP, I love fractals. I play this game for the fractals, the occasional dungeon, and WvW. Any update that takes away from the serious development of these aspects is not content I will care about. No I don’t mean stuffing living world assets into WvW or throwing 3 unbalanced fractals into the mix. Fractals are very fun (even with a mid level group) as long as folks know what they’re doing.

acedragonz.9387:

Wow this thread is really pointless. The statistic is completely wrong & the people complainig about “AR is a farm” while they have multiple legendaries are hypocrites.
Don’t like them, don’t do them. I seriously haven’t read such a nuisance in this Forum for quite a while.

what do you mean hypocrites?
i am saying something i felt.
if you don’t believed legendary part just talk to me in game i will show you.
will you apologize here if i show you my two legendary in game?

i have said that i don’t like it, and i have also said i am not do it above 11 frequently.

of course in some sense i am pointless because the anet might not do something about it, but what is your point then?
if i am hypocrites, and what are you?

Why i can’t have my own opinion?
What are you, tell me?

acedragonz.9387:

Wow this thread is really pointless. The statistic is completely wrong & the people complainig about “AR is a farm” while they have multiple legendaries are hypocrites.
Don’t like them, don’t do them. I seriously haven’t read such a nuisance in this Forum for quite a while.

who said it is necessary to be a farmer so that you can get legendary?
i got my gift of finance concept and tacit in real life, and i use it in gw2.

I got my 2 legendary by.. maybe 15 day. So what?

Is it a must to be a farmer to get legendary?
NO!!

Hsin.5294:

acedragonz.9387:

Wow this thread is really pointless. The statistic is completely wrong & the people complainig about “AR is a farm” while they have multiple legendaries are hypocrites.
Don’t like them, don’t do them. I seriously haven’t read such a nuisance in this Forum for quite a while.

who said it is necessary to be a farmer so that you can get legendary?
i got my gift of finance concept and tacit in real life, and i use it in gw2.

I got my 2 legendary by.. maybe 15 day. So what?

Is it a must to be a farmer to get legendary?
NO!!

In both replies you pretty much put words in my mouth but what ever I’ll try & explain. You are talking about how AR is a grind & thus a stupid mechanic, but (even if is was through the TP) you need to invest a lot of time/grind & farm to gather legendaries. Granted if you took 15 days to get yours through the TP it doesn’t directly affect you, but then again I didn’t have to grind for AR either because I got good drops running fractals 10. You were saying something you felt. Great, still doesn’t mean it isn’t hypocrisy & why I exactly am a hypocrite because of my comment is beyond me.

But hey, I am also only saying what I feel (and for that matter, probably what anyone that enjoys fractals feels).

Hsin.5294:

acedragonz.9387:

Wow this thread is really pointless. The statistic is completely wrong & the people complainig about “AR is a farm” while they have multiple legendaries are hypocrites.
Don’t like them, don’t do them. I seriously haven’t read such a nuisance in this Forum for quite a while.

who said it is necessary to be a farmer so that you can get legendary?
i got my gift of finance concept and tacit in real life, and i use it in gw2.

I got my 2 legendary by.. maybe 15 day. So what?

Is it a must to be a farmer to get legendary?
NO!!

Acedragonz point was people (like you) grind for legendaries and then come here and say that fractals are a grind? Sounds silly and hypocritical.

Even if you played the TP for the gold to get your legendaries, you still had to grind for a long time playing the TP to get the item(s) you wanted. The even more comical thing about this is you aren’t even playing GW2 to obtain the items you wanted. Sure, the TP is part of the game, but it’s not what the game really is. It’s an MMO, not a day trader simulator.

Why don’t we just remove the TP because some people don’t like that fact that others use it to acquire wealth? Isn’t that basically the argument in this thread? If someone doesn’t like one part of the game, we should remove it? It’s only logical considering the OP’s silly point of view.

i don’t want fractals to be removed. i enjoy the short story and it’s divisibility.
what i want is the agony damage to be represented as other form of damage and can be overcome by player’s skill.
i want the damage shown as some kind of consequence of their acts but do not just shown with completely no reason.
it make me feels like : “hey, these players are too easy to overcome the fractals, let’s reduce their health. but how? whatever, let’s just give it a name called agony, and tell players it is a challenging.”

ok, i know your points now. it really sounds silly for people who believe the only way to get legendary is by farm.

removing tp and hence some people can’t acquire wealth by it is interesting.
because some of these people are actually helping the market to be healthy by setting the price of every item correct.

If there are no such players, these kind of tp “profit” still exist to some buyer and seller, they just don’t know, understand or notice that.

With some tp profit maker’s effort, everyone can instantly buy or sell any item in a correct, reasonable price, and no need to worry whether the price is too high or too low etc.