Guild Wars 2

Nice fun facts.

Even without doing the math i figured that it would take too much to get a high value AR. So i sold them as soon as i got them.

I made a suggestion to the AR system to make it more balanced.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/New-Agony-Infusion-System

Math request.
How much to craft a +5 and a +10 at current rate of 30s per +1 including materials cost?

FateOmega.9601:

Math request.
How much to craft a +5 and a +10 at current rate of 30s per +1 including materials cost?

At 30s, For + 5 it will cost 4.8 Gold (16 pieces), for + 10 it will cost 153.6 Gold.
This doesn’t include Thermocatalytic Reagent
For that add: 22s for + 5 and +10 7g

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Agony_Infusion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_of_two

I believe the infusions drop in larger denominations at higher levels – if that is true, it would help.

A lot.

Whoah…

Math.

here is my question: can you still buy the 5 agony resist infusions from FoM? If so, can you combine those together to make a +6? Or, have they been removed from the fractal relic golem? Or are they just 5 agony resist instead of a +5 agony resist? I haven’t seen anything on this yet.

If you want to calculate how much +1s you need stick it into this formula

n=1X2^(n-1) and for regeants [2^(n-1)]-1

for + 5 = 2^(5-1) = 2^(4)= 16
16(+ 1)>8(+ 2)>4(+ 3)>2(+ 4)>1(+5) – 15 regeants.

for + 6 = 2^(6-1) = 2^(5)= 32
32(+ 1)>16(+ 2)>8(+ 3)>4(+ 4)>2(+ 5)>1(+ 6) – 31 Regeants

Steelxsoldier.6512:

here is my question: can you still buy the 5 agony resist infusions from FoM? If so, can you combine those together to make a +6? Or, have they been removed from the fractal relic golem? Or are they just 5 agony resist instead of a +5 agony resist? I haven’t seen anything on this yet.

You can still buy them but they are different kind of infusions than the ones used in crafting. Infusions you buy from fractals are used in offensive/defensive slots and not in agony infusion slots.

Steelxsoldier.6512:

here is my question: can you still buy the 5 agony resist infusions from FoM? If so, can you combine those together to make a +6? Or, have they been removed from the fractal relic golem? Or are they just 5 agony resist instead of a +5 agony resist? I haven’t seen anything on this yet.

infusions that you can buy in FoTM are (blues) these ones are (pink) so no, you can not combine those infusions. The new infusion slot on (Infused) items is just for Pink infusions.

I got 2 +1 infusions from a lvl 5 fractal today. So its definatly possible to get more than one per fractal, even at low lvl.

At least scale 39 seemed to still give just +1 infusions. So I wouldn’t get your hopes up.

From the recent patch notes. (Note: No explicit comment about Agony Resist Infusion slots being unable to hold Omni infusions)…

Improvements to Agony Resistance/Infused Gear:
All infused ascended equipment now has a special infusion slot for Agony Resistance infusions.
Agony Resistance infusions can be found in fractal reward chests.
All existing, infused ascended equipment has a +5 Agony Resistance infusion in the Agony Resistance slot by default, in place of the natural +5 Agony Resistance.
Agony Resistance infusions provide +1 or more Agony Resistance.
Artificers can combine two identical Agony Resistance infusions with a Thermocatalytic Reagent to create a single, more powerful Agony Resistance infusion.

Release information from last year:

There are multiple types of Infusions and Infusion slots. In November, we’ll introduce Offensive, Defensive, and Omni Infusions of Fine rarity from new Mystic Forge recipes. Infusion upgrade types must be paired with their like slot, with the exception of the rare and versatile Omni Infusions which can be slotted into any type of Infusion slot.

While the +5 Omni infusion you can buy with 75 Fractal relics is not a crafting material and therefore obviously shouldn’t be able to be ‘crafted up’ – Omni infusions really should be able to be slotted into the AR infusion slot (but they can’t – I’ve tried) – otherwise, this is extremely inconsistent and requires clarification / fixing from Anet.

It’s somewhat obvious why they’ve done it – to increase the grindiness. It doesn’t really matter to me as I have all the infused rings I might ever need – but I think that newer players to fractals should be able to get at least +10 AR on an infused ring with 150 relics with 2 Omni infusions.

Here’s another fun fact since we are on the topic of ANet Mathematices (I.E. Outlandish Goals on Achievements and Crafting).

If you were to kill 10 Dolyaks every 20 minutes (super super super generous), you will kill enough to get the title “Yakslapper” and 25 achievement points after 4 years of non-stop Yak killing, no not even stopping for nature breaks.

On a more “realistic” scale, if you play a generous 5 hours a day, at a rate of 10 Dolyaks per 20 minutes, without ever logging off of WvW to do something actually fun, you would get the achievement in a little over 18 years! GET SLAPPIN’

What agony resistance is required to get through level 50 without agony issues?

I was very interested in playing the new fractals until I read this thread. I cannot believe Anet would make gaining agony resistance this difficult and arduous to attain. Obviously fractals are not meant for the casual player to enjoy at all. What level can the casual player realistically get to without too much time spent gaining all this impossible agony resistance?

Level 50 fractals were never meant for the casual player to complete without significant effort.

Level 5 fractals on the other hand, are.

Perspective.

You can currently get 40 agony resistance without having to farm for the secondary AR infusions. Which you get pretty easily on their own. By the time you get enough fractals under your belt where you’d need more than 40AR, you’ll have enough +1’s to craft the remainder of what you lack, and then some. In fact, by the time you get to personal rank 10 where you first see agony at all, you’ll have at the very minimum 40 +1 infusions, which are good for two +5’s already.

If a casual wishes to play at a higher level, they’d better be prepared to put in the effort required to earn that spot.

IronDogg.3219:

What agony resistance is required to get through level 50 without agony issues?

I was very interested in playing the new fractals until I read this thread. I cannot believe Anet would make gaining agony resistance this difficult and arduous to attain. Obviously fractals are not meant for the casual player to enjoy at all. What level can the casual player realistically get to without too much time spent gaining all this impossible agony resistance?

You don’t need to get through lvl 50 to experience the new fractals, specially if you are a casual player. And you still can buy +5 AR infusions from the vendor for 75 fractal relics.
If you have 6 ascended trinkets that’s 30 AR, add an ascended weapon and you have 35. That’s enough to go through lvl 40.

If you still wanna go for lvl 50, by lvl 40 you’ll have enough mists essenses to infuse your rings, and relics (but maybe not ectos) to infuse your backpiece, and enough +1 to craft some infusions. So it’s not as bad as it seems.

54 million gold for a +40 if they were1 copper each,

wow
many gold
much grind
such progression
amaze

Natsu Dragneel.1625:

54 million gold for a +40 if they were1 copper each,

wow
many gold
much grind
such progression
amaze

Think of the scale that you’re talking about here. +40 for one infusion. That means you gave up two +39’s. So you HAD +78, now you have +40. Along with the 40 you already had from versatiles. So instead of going to fractal level 110, now you’re stuck at level 70. Genius.

Going beyond a +10 is just stupid, especially not knowing if trinkets, amulets, and weapons/armor will be able to be upgraded in the future to allow further +5’s or higher. So figuring out the cost of exorbitantly high AR infusions is pretty much on par with attempting to count grains of sand on a beach while planning how to put them all back together again.

And those 2 39’s could have been 4 38’s, still something like 27 million/13.5 million gold each, Ridiculous ahaha.

You can take that all the way down to around 15, which IMO is the maximum amount anyone would, should or COULD attain in a reasonable time frame. Because at the levels where requiring each of your three infused items to have 12-15AR plus 5 on every other piece, you’re probably not going to be surviving much anyway.

People who want +40 to be easily attainable are the ones who don’t want to put in the effort of fully kitting their equipment to ascended and spreading that same AR around.

Yeah, a +10-15 would be pretty much fine, but even so, a +15 at 1 copper each would be 163g, if the +1’s went all the way down to 1s each, its going to be a VERY long time until +15’s become remotely viable, and even then paying 490g for 3 of them would still be too much.

I could see myself paying MAYBE 100g for a +15-20,

I am also not going to consider farming/doing fractals for the +1’s as its not viable at all to get the 16,000 needed for a +15 as its something like +1 every 30 minutes or so. (unless at 50 they give you like 20-30 each chest?)

As you mentioned “reasonable time frame”, I will assume you meant doing fractals and receiving them that way,

Something like 4 +1’s every 2 hours or so? at a rate I have seen of 1/per chest.

Lets see, a +10 would take something like 250 hours of pure fractal grinding (takes 512 +1’s for a +10), and assuming no normal player, even the hardcores would do no more then 5-10 hours a day, it could possibly take 1-2 months using all their free time. its really not viable at all in my own opinion.

Also, by mentioning “+40’s to be easily obtainable” I think that a +40 should take a hell of a lot of effort to get,

However, I believe 54 million gold if the +1’s were only a copper each is a complete joke, it is, quite literally, impossible.

FateOmega.9601:

Math request.
How much to craft a +5 and a +10 at current rate of 30s per +1 including materials cost?

to cract a +N AR infusion, it will take you 2^(N-1) of those AR infusions you get as a drop. And you usually get one at each big chest, so 4 per run (or 30s/unit)