Guild Wars 2

Making your personal difficulty and reward level account bound means there will be less people running low level fractals. Which means people who are late to the fractal party will have a much more difficult time finding a group since a lot of people are already above 30…good luck trying to find groups under 10 now.

I pointed this out as a potential problem exactly one year ago.

Uhm, uhm… I don’t really care?

There will still be daily runs, at least at 10 and above. And you really don’t need AR for anything under 20.

Don’t worry, on certain days,professionals will help, but for 1 round only.

Daily fractal achievement, meet Achievement hunters

Might be an influx of people who were never interested in FOTM before that all of sudden have some motivation. Might balance out.

Stonecaduceus.5638:

Might be an influx of people who were never interested in FOTM before that all of sudden have some motivation. Might balance out.

Indeed. We might see MORE people running low level fracs.

More people running low fractals is likely. More people jumping in higher level groups (30+) without the correct AR even more likely. I wish ANet would modify the LFG system to take your FOTM level into account

Find a guild with nice people. They will help.

Keep dreaming if you think the 3 new fractals will make peeps interested more into fractals than before… I got no high fractal lv characters because i don’t truely enjoy dungeons. And the 3 new ones won’t change that. I’ll probably aim to do them once just to see em. And that’s it. And wanna bet there are countless more like me.

People who don’t have a high level in fractals, don’t have it because they hate the repetitiveness of fractals. Higher levels only add agony and more health/damage on bosses and more champs in trash packs. For the rest it’s just more of the same.

I don’t see a challenge in the same dull fractals only slower cause you need to plow through more health and with higher toughness (thus less damaging) gear.

Nothing will stop clueless people from joining 30+ and silently following everyone hoping to get carried. Same old story.

I don’t get how do people with every update find the topic to cry about.

Josip.8267:

I don’t get how do people with every update find the topic to cry about.

I don’t get how do people with every thread where people share their concerns regarding updates do others always equate it to crying.

Here’s an Idea since the “casual” players wont run fractals anyways but just to make sure they won’t, throw Teq right into the lvl 1 – 10 fractals. Then announce groups running the higher fractals with a specific AR requirement or pink/purple gear etc. After a while the forums will be spammed with complaints and Anet might change it back. Worth a try right?

cesmode.4257:

Making your personal difficulty and reward level account bound means there will be less people running low level fractals. Which means people who are late to the fractal party will have a much more difficult time finding a group since a lot of people are already above 30…good luck trying to find groups under 10 now.

I pointed this out as a potential problem exactly one year ago.

you can do higher level fractals to advance difficulty.
they also may keep the karma boost for low level ones. Its really not that muchof an issue

The idea is that new people will do fractals with new people.

This of course depends on there being enough new players coming into the game.

Yeah I somewhat agree with Grump.

I’ve only completed a few fractals, just like I’ve only ever completed a few dungeon paths. Dungeon story lines and first-time runs are fun and interesting, if you have a good group of like-minded players.

Unfortunately Fractals, and Dungeons, both arbitrate rewards through repetition.

While I’m not opposing the method of rewards for those who chose to seek them, it’s a game play style that I’m just not keen on and likely will not spend my time on.
Consequently this update doesn’t draw me in, but best wishes to those who play the new fractal ladder game.

Nausicaa.9563:

There will still be daily runs, at least at 10 and above. And you really don’t need AR for anything under 20.

You can do even up to 28 at least without AR tbh

Celestina.2894:

Nausicaa.9563:

There will still be daily runs, at least at 10 and above. And you really don’t need AR for anything under 20.

You can do even up to 28 at least without AR tbh

This is why I don’t do FOTM with pugs. They’re such a burden and a liability, completly unable to carry their own weight. They’re like pandas. Dead weight holding us back. Let’s get rid of the pandas.

I am more than happy to take “newbies” through fractals and Im trying to get it out there and everywhere.
As long as they are friendly and know that this is a teamwork game, I can tech them the basic’s and the strats needed.

If you see/her someone who wants to learn them please send them my way.

Sarah

Celestina.2894:

Nausicaa.9563:

There will still be daily runs, at least at 10 and above. And you really don’t need AR for anything under 20.

You can do even up to 28 at least without AR tbh

Please no. I hate it when people do this and get downed constantly. The dredge boss in dredge fractal is a guaranteed down for those who have no AR and can’t double dodge. In Maw, you’ll get downed in both agony phases. You’re just a liability to your group and forcing them to carry you.

I doubt this will be a problem. After I finish my daily I usually will go into lower level ones to help new people out. I’m sure i’m not the only one who does this.

Not only do I think this will have the opposite effect (a common complaint I hear is “You mean I need to start all the way from level 1 on my alt!?”)

Sarahfull.4930:

I am more than happy to take “newbies” through fractals and Im trying to get it out there and everywhere.
As long as they are friendly and know that this is a teamwork game, I can tech them the basic’s and the strats needed.

If you see/her someone who wants to learn them please send them my way.

Sarah

I am exactly like this. I encourage newbies to come with, ask questions and have fun. I don’t see the appeal in exclusively running high level fractals and I remember how long it took me to get to a reward level where running fractals was worth my time.
So I don’t get your logic, sorry.
Join up, find some newbies, be a cool, patient dude and then kill a giant tentacle jade monster thing. Don’t just sit high and mighty on your reward level 99.

I would prefer if Anet added some incentives to encourage veterans to help the newbies, but I suppose helping people is its own reward, so eh.

cesmode.4257:

Making your personal difficulty and reward level account bound means there will be less people running low level fractals. Which means people who are late to the fractal party will have a much more difficult time finding a group since a lot of people are already above 30…good luck trying to find groups under 10 now.

I pointed this out as a potential problem exactly one year ago.

Uhhh what?

When fractals first came out everyone had to be the same level to do fractals. If you were 26 everyone had to be 26 otherwise you couldn’t do it. ArenaNet fixed that

They added the ability to reconnect.
Now account bound levels.

People will still do them in fact fractals are better now than there were at release.

Nausicaa.9563:

There will still be daily runs, at least at 10 and above. And you really don’t need AR for anything under 20.

Everything below this comment is null and void

Hm?
There is still loads of lvl 10 runs going on, and those don’t really need any AR, so I don’t think it will be much of an issue.

Ayrilana.1396:

Celestina.2894:

Nausicaa.9563:

There will still be daily runs, at least at 10 and above. And you really don’t need AR for anything under 20.

You can do even up to 28 at least without AR tbh

Please no. I hate it when people do this and get downed constantly. The dredge boss in dredge fractal is a guaranteed down for those who have no AR and can’t double dodge. In Maw, you’ll get downed in both agony phases. You’re just a liability to your group and forcing them to carry you.

+1
Every time I see this “You don’t need AR up to XX level” I am thinking that what they actually mean is “You don’t need AR up to level XX, as long as everyone else in your party has AR”

If someone feels fractals up to XX level are fine without AR, then I would recommend them to do so in a party that has no AR at all, before reaching this conclusion.

PS: I know most can be dodged, but for the majority of players most will not be dodged.

1. Ask players to ping their AR gears
2. If you see them take too much damage from agony, KICK!

SSNeoman.4370:

Not only do I think this will have the opposite effect (a common complaint I hear is “You mean I need to start all the way from level 1 on my alt!?”)

Sarahfull.4930:

I am more than happy to take “newbies” through fractals and Im trying to get it out there and everywhere.
As long as they are friendly and know that this is a teamwork game, I can tech them the basic’s and the strats needed.

If you see/her someone who wants to learn them please send them my way.

Sarah

I am exactly like this. I encourage newbies to come with, ask questions and have fun. I don’t see the appeal in exclusively running high level fractals and I remember how long it took me to get to a reward level where running fractals was worth my time.
So I don’t get your logic, sorry.
Join up, find some newbies, be a cool, patient dude and then kill a giant tentacle jade monster thing. Don’t just sit high and mighty on your reward level 99.

I would prefer if Anet added some incentives to encourage veterans to help the newbies, but I suppose helping people is its own reward, so eh.

I made a thread saying Im willing to help, but its in the player vs player forum so I think I may need to mae another for this forum too

Sarah

just change it so u CANT enter 30 + with out the correct AR lvls.

if they intend 30 + for the “skilled” players then attach AR requirments and force ppl to be “geard” for the high end pve content.

if u want to play with friend and have a casual fractal lvl 10 is perfect. please don’t come to 30+ with your casual playstyle and ruin it for us who make a lot of effort to be AR capped and worked for our ascended.

so please ANET force an ingame AR check that wont let u enter a lvl if u don’t have enough AR after lvl 30.
it would slow ppl down a tiny bit at the start but then in the long run will make every 1 better players as it would force the low AR low ascended ppl to gear up and run the lower lvls as intended.

I run fractals daily and I know how annoying it is when u see ppl die to agony dmg because they don’t know how to avoid it at 48 due to skipping 20 lvls and having 20 -25 AR and think its “enough”

^ And then we would suddenly have a hard gear-check in the game instead of a soft one.
It IS fully possible to do stuff with higher Agony rating if you are good at avoiding damage since most of it is avoidable.

Silver.3284:

Every time I see this “You don’t need AR up to XX level” I am thinking that what they actually mean is “You don’t need AR up to level XX, as long as everyone else in your party has AR”

It’s not really that, more “You don’t need AR up to level XX, as long as you know the fights and what to dodge”.
Going to 19 without AR is fine, even with 0 AR you should be able to survive the agony.
20-29 is a bit trickier. Going with 0 AR at those levels can be done, but you’d need to know the fights well to know exactly when to dodge. So it’s ok for fractal veterans, not beginners, as the difficulty will become much harder.

Estriella Faerie.4029:

It’s not really that, more “You don’t need AR up to level XX, as long as you know the fights and what to dodge”.
Going to 19 without AR is fine, even with 0 AR you should be able to survive the agony.
20-29 is a bit trickier. Going with 0 AR at those levels can be done, but you’d need to know the fights well to know exactly when to dodge. So it’s ok for fractal veterans, not beginners, as the difficulty will become much harder.

They don’t even have to be fractal veterans as long as they are good at playing the game, just warn them what attacks will inflict agony so they can avoid/prepare for it. One pug I joined had a fractal rookie (no AR, didn’t know most of the fractals) and avoided being downed entirely by the Legendary Grawl Shaman, and he was the target of his Agony attack several times.

Estriella Faerie.4029:

Silver.3284:

Every time I see this “You don’t need AR up to XX level” I am thinking that what they actually mean is “You don’t need AR up to level XX, as long as everyone else in your party has AR”

It’s not really that, more “You don’t need AR up to level XX, as long as you know the fights and what to dodge”.
Going to 19 without AR is fine, even with 0 AR you should be able to survive the agony.
20-29 is a bit trickier. Going with 0 AR at those levels can be done, but you’d need to know the fights well to know exactly when to dodge. So it’s ok for fractal veterans, not beginners, as the difficulty will become much harder.

I do agree with this; when I first started doing fractals it was without AR up to level 19. The person I was with threw me in at level 10 and eventually I got good at surviving but after 20, AR is needed or you’ll be scraped off the ground more….but still doable if you’re used to being without AR and good with timing.

edit – way too early to be posting blanks

In 2 weeks when the next patch hits after this one most players will be bored to death of fractals. Achievement hunters will have most if not all of what they need from any new achievements so you won’t see a ton of new players continuing on after that.

Err why you think they lowered the rewards for fractals? lol
However I STILL think fractal weapons should be 20+ to make them feel more epic and not another weapon.

Odds are very good you will find more people running them. I wasn’t about to grind out tons of levels of fractals with no reward to get all the way up to a high level to start getting a chance of drops. It just isn’t worth the time vs other game and RL activities. But now with them dropping more rewards and lower levels it is tempting to do them vs other things like champ trains.

HardRider.2980:

Err why you think they lowered the rewards for fractals? lol
However I STILL think fractal weapons should be 20+ to make them feel more epic and not another weapon.

Totally agree with that.

Estriella Faerie.4029:

HardRider.2980:

Err why you think they lowered the rewards for fractals? lol
However I STILL think fractal weapons should be 20+ to make them feel more epic and not another weapon.

Totally agree with that.

A dev has commented that fractal weapons were always available at 10+ they just drop at very low rates. They might be increasing those chances or just clarifying.

Sarahfull.4930:

I made a thread saying Im willing to help, but its in the player vs player forum so I think I may need to mae another for this forum too

Sarah

The second part of my post was aimed at the OP, sorry. I should have worded that better.

And are people really being exclusionary to newbies because of AR? Seriously? Not only is this exactly what the OP was talking about, this is the sort of mentality Anet tried to prevent with GW2. Putting in an explicit AR check is a horrible idea and Anet will never go through with it.
I would gladly run FotM 30 with AR-less newbies, if they’re up for it. I’ve done it before and we all had a lot of fun.

Ayrilana.1396:

Celestina.2894:

Nausicaa.9563:

There will still be daily runs, at least at 10 and above. And you really don’t need AR for anything under 20.

You can do even up to 28 at least without AR tbh

Please no. I hate it when people do this and get downed constantly. The dredge boss in dredge fractal is a guaranteed down for those who have no AR and can’t double dodge. In Maw, you’ll get downed in both agony phases. You’re just a liability to your group and forcing them to carry you.

Funny, I find it extremely easy to survive all of that.

Maybe you just need to improve?

Estriella Faerie.4029:

Silver.3284:

Every time I see this “You don’t need AR up to XX level” I am thinking that what they actually mean is “You don’t need AR up to level XX, as long as everyone else in your party has AR”

It’s not really that, more “You don’t need AR up to level XX, as long as you know the fights and what to dodge”.
Going to 19 without AR is fine, even with 0 AR you should be able to survive the agony.
20-29 is a bit trickier. Going with 0 AR at those levels can be done, but you’d need to know the fights well to know exactly when to dodge. So it’s ok for fractal veterans, not beginners, as the difficulty will become much harder.

Agreed on 10s, but for 20s that is exactly the point. Fractal veterans are not the people this thread is about – plus they have the sense to know when they do and when they don’t need ar and do not need advise on this anyway.
It is not good advise to give to new players, unless you want you lvl 20+ runs swamped with people who are new to fractals and have no AR, because “I read in the forums that it is fine up to 29”, and said new players being discouraged – cause dying to attacks no one else is dying to (and not because they dodged them) can be very frustrating.

Because someone has seen someone who was new and did fine without AR this does not make it the norm. How many have they seen that were not fine? It’s not that it is not doable, but it is not the optimum by far, and there is no real reason to do it. Everyone has some sort of ascended gear they can add AR to.

Finally, consider how a party with no AR would fare at the maw at 28.
If it is not ok for the whole party, why would it be ok for any one?

@Celestina: you may be able to survive all of that while reading a book on the side, good for you, but the average player does not.

@SSNeoman: It is not about being exclusive. I run often with my fractal newbie guildies and I honestly think is is better to run a few 10s until the become familiar with it and are able to get some ar before running higher. I would rather do runs specifically for them at 10, which has agony that is survivable, so they can grow to like fractals and join us, rather than have them die to every arrow that barely scratches the rest of us and hate the experience altogether.

6 months ago, I found it incredibly easy to get into FotM. There will be a huge influx of new players. And now people will be running multiple times for dailies. New to FotM? (If you have exotics) get in a 10 run. The only time that’s a problem is when your idiot friend in the pug tells you “oh you just became 80? quick lets go on a fotm run so you can get better gear!” Don’t think just because your 80 it’s time to start fotm. Last time this happened to me the guy was in assorted blues, and had barely any idea what he was doing. Since we were trying to rez him, it was harder than doing a four man run.

Morsus.5106:

6 months ago, I found it incredibly easy to get into FotM. There will be a huge influx of new players. And now people will be running multiple times for dailies. New to FotM? (If you have exotics) get in a 10 run. The only time that’s a problem is when your idiot friend in the pug tells you “oh you just became 80? quick lets go on a fotm run so you can get better gear!” Don’t think just because your 80 it’s time to start fotm. Last time this happened to me the guy was in assorted blues, and had barely any idea what he was doing. Since we were trying to rez him, it was harder than doing a four man run.

Well since you are scaled up you could technically start FoTM much earlier.
I have personally been in runs when we have finished it with a lvl 35 guy.

This update might bring a ton of 1st time fractalers out. Which means we’ll be able to run these things and learn them with other like-minded players, not worrying about vets being impatient. Or we’ll have some helpful vets show us the way, thus increasing the pool of knowledgeable fractalers. I’m looking forward to it.

Also, the account-bound fractal level means I can try out various characters to see how I like to play em.

Celestina.2894:

Ayrilana.1396:

Celestina.2894:

Nausicaa.9563:

There will still be daily runs, at least at 10 and above. And you really don’t need AR for anything under 20.

You can do even up to 28 at least without AR tbh

Please no. I hate it when people do this and get downed constantly. The dredge boss in dredge fractal is a guaranteed down for those who have no AR and can’t double dodge. In Maw, you’ll get downed in both agony phases. You’re just a liability to your group and forcing them to carry you.

Funny, I find it extremely easy to survive all of that.

Maybe you just need to improve?

I have no issues dodging. It’s other players that do. Without AR, you will likely get downed during the agony phases at Maw at 20+. I once saw someone in a l 24 fractal unable to make it off the block down to us at Maw because be died within seconds from agony. I have also seen numerous times of people going from 100% hp to being downed at the dredge boss in dredge fractal.

The thing is that only like 95% of the player population don’t know how to survive (read enemy attacks, etc) and use dodges. Most new players to fractals will not know which attacks to dodge and will just eat the agony. You may be able to do fine, but you do not represent the majority of the player base.

lordkrall.7241:

Morsus.5106:

6 months ago, I found it incredibly easy to get into FotM. There will be a huge influx of new players. And now people will be running multiple times for dailies. New to FotM? (If you have exotics) get in a 10 run. The only time that’s a problem is when your idiot friend in the pug tells you “oh you just became 80? quick lets go on a fotm run so you can get better gear!” Don’t think just because your 80 it’s time to start fotm. Last time this happened to me the guy was in assorted blues, and had barely any idea what he was doing. Since we were trying to rez him, it was harder than doing a four man run.

Well since you are scaled up you could technically start FoTM much earlier.
I have personally been in runs when we have finished it with a lvl 35 guy.

No. People that go into a dungeon/fractal that are under the level requirement are just a liability and will be carried the entire time. Being upscaled does not help them.

Ayrilana.1396:

No. People that go into a dungeon/fractal that are under the level requirement are just a liability and will be carried the entire time. Being upscaled does not help them.

Not everyone that is lvl 80 is good players, nor is everyone that is lvl 35 in need of being carried.

I have personally had to carry way more lvl 80 players than lower-leveled players in dungeons overall.

To OP: That doesn’t make any sense. Tons of people just starting out will be queuing for low level ones or level 10’s for that chance at a Fractal skin.

Ayrilana.1396:

The thing is that only like 95% of the player population know how to survive (read enemy attacks, etc) and use dodges.

I think that is a very, very generous estimation.

lordkrall.7241:

Ayrilana.1396:

No. People that go into a dungeon/fractal that are under the level requirement are just a liability and will be carried the entire time. Being upscaled does not help them.

Not everyone that is lvl 80 is good players, nor is everyone that is lvl 35 in need of being carried.

I have personally had to carry way more lvl 80 players than lower-leveled players in dungeons overall.

And, in real life, there are some double amputees with no arms that can hold their own in a bar fight. This doesn’t mean that if you go drinking with your amputee buddies and get into melee, you’re not at a disadvantage.