Why it's a mistake to put Scrlt in Thaumanova

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Posted by: Forst.5863

Forst.5863

First of all this is not a Scarlet-hate-thread and I would like to encourage everyone who wants to rage on her to go elsewhere or just keep their trap shut, I am tired of it. And Arenanet already admitted mistakes and vowed betterment.

Arenanet stated that their intention of the Living World updates were supposed to be like a cartoon show.
You have your Big Bad Of The Season (Scarlet) sending the Minion Of The Week. I am amused by that concept, it’s just like in good old Power Rangers or Sailor Moon.
And the conclusions of the implementations (Molten Facility, Aetherblade Retreat, Tower of Nightmares) were novel and interesting places and had proper boss fight mechanics. At least to my not-too-critical boss fight taste.

However, Arenanet did two mistakes by putting Scarlet into Thaumanova:

1. That kind of TV show now and then puts in a special episode (trip to the beach, flashback to the past, romance side story etc.) to prevent the pattern of “The Big Bad Attempts It Anew” from becoming boring.
Seeing the same face every week gets repetitive after a while, so you need at least some variety.
This was the perfect chance. Please do not botch such a chance again. I did honestly not expect Scarlet to be here and I was genuinely surprised. But not in a positive way, because the reason I did not expect her was that it is detrimental design-wise.
As said, I never minded her being behind everything, but this was just one time too often, you should have put her on a holiday until January and let players enjoy the season of goodies.

2. The Big Bad Of The Season is never responsible or involved in backstory.
You do not take a passing enemy and make him a stock character/lore foundation. The backstory/main characters (and I will count big places like Thaumanova as a character of sorts in the game world) get their revelations in the above-mentioned one-off-episodes or in a separate story arch that serves no other purpose and is cut towards that kind of revelation.
In the case of GW2/Scarlet, the mistake is even graver:
a) Let’s face it, a lot of people hate Scarlet.
b) Let’s face it, you’re going to kill her off.
c) Let’s face it, players who start after killing her off will never get to experience her the way we did.
-> Future generations will see this huge part of a region (Thaumanova) with this weird stuff happening and all the explanation they will get is some random two lines of chatter from a weird sylvari they have no connection to.

Which is why you just don’t take a passing character that was not specifically created for lore-building purposes and put lore on its shoulders.

The other half will consist to a great part of players who look at this as a blemish in the lore.

As a solution I would propose not only to have some break-things-up releases in between like Bloody & Madness and what-Fractured-would-have-been-without-Scarlet but also to throw in a release about the greater lore (a tidbit on Dragons, permanent politics, or one of the permanent areas itself) now and then.

I hope this was constructive.

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Posted by: voidwater.2064

voidwater.2064

Why didn’t they use Kudu or something? Would’ve made much more sense.

Kudu is a more interesting villain than Scarlet, btw.

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Posted by: Kain Francois.4328

Kain Francois.4328

I agree. Why not Kudu? He’s legitimately a cool character as well! (ALthough I’m assuming VA wasn’t available..)

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Posted by: Kal Spiro.9745

Kal Spiro.9745

It’s a bad idea to put Scarlet in Thaumanova because having every thing in the game revolve around her is extremely lame. She is a lame villain and always has been. So suddenly making every little thing revolve around her machination lowers the value of everything. Next thing we know she’ll be the reason the Dragons are waking, and the reason the human gods left.

It is far more interesting to have widely divergent enemies who are opposing us while also having to contend with each other than it is to have a single unifying enemy that somehow brings groups that have nothing and should have nothing in common into a joint function.

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Posted by: ricky markham.8173

ricky markham.8173

i totally agree op they should have done this and wintersday without scarlet

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Posted by: Mara.6782

Mara.6782

Kudu would be much better villain. Imagine that when we defeat dragons and Kudu absorb all dragons magic and we need to fight Super Kudu that use all the dragons abilities.

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Posted by: Gyler.8150

Gyler.8150

I read the OP’s tittle as Skritt, and I agreed, why are there skritt in there?

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Posted by: GuzziHero.2467

GuzziHero.2467

The problem I see is, that when Scarlett is long gone, she will still haunt us in the Fractal…

…unless she is never going to leave/be beaten.

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Posted by: takatsu.9416

takatsu.9416

Thaumanova has tremendous implications for core lore of the game, a lot of concepts including space/time/dimensions is involved in Thaumanova. Scarlet should not be in the foundation of such significant lore. She also learned from various races and factions including Inquest, it does not make sense that she was such a large part of the Inquest lore.

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Posted by: Qawsada.4251

Qawsada.4251

Kudu would have made more sense for this fractal with his history with dragon magic and what now.

The fact that Scarlet is permanent in the fractal made me quit fractal altogether for it is a reminder of all things that is bad with the Living Story.

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Posted by: generalraccoon.3857

generalraccoon.3857

Kudu is may favourite villain in GW2.

I modeled a toon after him

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Posted by: quaniesan.8497

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" And Arenanet already admitted mistakes and vowed betterment" – when/where is this? Did I miss something?

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Posted by: Xae Isareth.1364

Xae Isareth.1364

It would have be quite interesting if Dessa was the one who caused the meltdown. That would explain why she is so obsessed with researching the fractals, to try and find a way to change the past and prevent the death of her friends.

That would’ve provided us with some very interesting dialogue from her.

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Posted by: Durzlla.6295

Durzlla.6295

I miss Kudu… He was, and is, my favorite GW2 villain by far… why’d he have to die so young?!!?!

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

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Thaumanova has tremendous implications for core lore of the game, a lot of concepts including space/time/dimensions is involved in Thaumanova. Scarlet should not be in the foundation of such significant lore. She also learned from various races and factions including Inquest, it does not make sense that she was such a large part of the Inquest lore.

But that is EXACTLY the reason why it makes sense for her to be there.
It was an Inquest installation.
We know Scarlet worked with the Inquest.
We know that Scarlet did something (which might very well be this very situation) and was thrown out of the Inquest.

So does that NOT make sense?

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Posted by: Qawsada.4251

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But that is EXACTLY the reason why it makes sense for her to be there.
It was an Inquest installation.
We know Scarlet worked with the Inquest.
We know that Scarlet did something (which might very well be this very situation) and was thrown out of the Inquest.

So does that NOT make sense?

The problem here is that the fractal could be use to expand lore on the asura and make it an asuran only fractal. They could expand all the inquest villain from the Asura Personal Story. What we got instead is the shoving of a lifetime. They don’t have to shove that weed in the story. They shouldn’t with all the story they could expand. At this point, it its long line of “scarlet did it” and its kittening annoying for months now. Its more annoying that its a permanent addition to the fractal, forever screwing up the fractal for those that daily it.

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Posted by: Forst.5863

Forst.5863

" And Arenanet already admitted mistakes and vowed betterment" – when/where is this? Did I miss something?

During the PvE CDI people would not stop moaning about Scarlett so three or four times they admitted they went the wrong way with her.