Guild Wars 2

38 chests opened and no skin. I’m very disappointed. It’s not even like “hey, no skin, but I got at least other goodies”. I have no use for all the junk from the BL chests. The only thing that is of use to me is 1 single stack of BL salvage kit. More than 3k gems for a salvage kit is just not acceptable. I didn’t find the supposedly “free” devil horns either.

Kimbald.2697:

In GW1 the chances of getting something out of what you bought for real money were rather high.

They used this trust to sell chests now.

I haven’t played GW1 in a bit but unless something changed drastically, every shop item in GW1 was what you see is what you get and as for events and their rewards, they were designed in such a way that every player who could spend a moderate amout of time (around 1h) during game time was basically guaranteed to get the event item.

There was some chance involved with celestial pets dropping, but given their prices during the event, the chance was very, very high plus no real money was involved.

As I said before, the “worst” thing they’ve done (the most stingy one) is Mini Polar Bear drop during Wintersday.

So yes, they’ve gained an enormous amount of trust among their GW1 crowd and certainly a lot of good word of mouth back then.

truth: the chests are still nothing that i’m going to spend money on
truth: i KNOW that if something is a “chance” it’s an RNG and my personal luck with anything RNG is HORRIBLE, so again, i’m not going to spend money on it

anet, i absolutely love you guys, but i will spend my money on items i enjoy — new, CUTE costumes, town clothes (WISH you guys would give us costume slots for our armor!), bank/bag slots. i am NOT going to spend my money on ANY kind of “chance” item.

last, but not least? nice try, anet — i admit, the possibility of a small chance of getting a skin was a nice way to boost your chest key sales … until the RNG came into play. ;-) but as it stands, i don’t see it ever working, and i do see it completely exasperating your players.

5 keys, I got squat… ohh well. So instead I spent the rest of the $20 of gems on an extra character slot. :P

I do think the odds should of been a bit higher, like 10-15%

All they have accomplished is leaving a bad taste in their customers mouths, many will be MUCH less likely to buy them in the future.

dukefx.9730:

… I didn’t find the supposedly “free” devil horns either.

Those are on the gem store, for free, gotta look there =)

Pifil.5193

I want to give you even more money ArenaNet but you really have to make it worth my while. Why have the rates so low? It’s like you don’t want us to buy keys.

No, they do actually wanted you to buy keys. In my opinion this is purely taking advantage of what the GW1 players were used to. Event skins were not a pain in the kitten to get, they did require some effort, but at least they were obtainable. I expected (as probably most old GW1 players expected) to have a fairly decent drop rate from the chests not the joke that this was.

Did it work this time? Yes, they probably made quite a decent amount of money from this and most likely a fat CEO is extremely happy. I’m not sure this will work again next time. While I congratulate you on the good marketing skills, I find it disappointing that you had to stoop so low for this and show a total lack of respect for the people who choose to support you and buy this game. But I guess some people would do anything for an easy dollar.

I didn’t spend any money on this, but I would be furious if I had spent $20 and got nothing for it. People will remember this in the future addons. It’s not right.

I opened about 50 chests and got 1 skin. If I was smart, I would have read threads like this first to see what my chances would be of getting a skin. Now I feel like I’ve wasted quite a bit of money on these chests, almost as much as I paid for the game itself. The boosters aren’t really great, the Black Lion gathering tools don’t stack and only come in 10s, so I have them cramming up my inventory space, and the tonics aren’t welcome. At least they consolidated them into “mystery tonics.”

If anyone involved in the decision making process is reading this, please do not do this again. I’m not going to buy any more gems for quite some time after this event, not because I am so disheartened, but because I simply cannot afford to gamble like this.

What surprised me most of all, is how bad the chest drops are without the skins.

I mean i heard they were bad, but the only thing i got of use was the fine tranforming stones and i could have gotten the same amount for less than half the gem cost i spent on keys!. Sure i got some gathering tools, but i already have the best ones and these BL ones take up so much space (i had to cram the lot on another character to get my inventory/bank space back).

Even without the skins, i’m actully shocked that these chests give out so little for costing so much.

You all realize that this is NOT the event right? Just a small part of it? Clearly these are meant to be very rare. Why don’t you all take a breath and enjoy the actual event instead of just trying to RNG your way to some skin so you can be the one to sell it and make a boatload of gold.

Bought another 20 bucks worth of gems, opened 15 chests, got 1 skin (i guess i should be happy with this?)

Whats the deal with armor boosters btw. I got a ton of them just now, and that has to be the most useless booster. These ones that give armor, strength or regen or whatever should last way more than 1 hr. 10/10 i’d rather have a booster that will significantly help me like a karma/crafting/exp/kill streak booster, not some minor buff.

60chest opened only got 2 skin

Nope, triple checked! No devil horns

With this, i hope more players stop buying gems from the cash shop (to affect change, not out of malice). I personally spent 40 bucks the first month the game came out BECAUSE i wanted to support the game. After seeing how they “beautifully” handled post launch support. It was easy for me to stop spending REAL money on the game and play for “free”.

I was SO READY to spend my cash again for some nice Halloween ARMOR and WEAPONS after the whole DR debacle…..but now Anet doesnt even offer it to me and instead chose the greed route.

Sorry but i do NOT feel like this event is any fun at all. It is completely underwhelming to what im used to compared to GW1 and WoW. It seems like Anet tried really hard to force us to use the cash shop for this holiday event. In fact, i never thought i would say this, but im starting to miss the subscription model. At least, getting items in those kind of games required “good” effort and not “slave level” effort.

What seems MOST worrying for me is this. Anet had the chance to put all those unique skins and what not in the Cash Shop. Honestly, why the hell did they not do it?? I would even argue that they would have killed two birds with one stone.

1)Reduce the amount of gold that rich players have.
2)Earn a ton of money through micro transactions from the rest who do not have enough gold to trade for gems.

Though i know why they didnt do it that way. Its simple. Its GREED.

Its pretty worrying that Anet is heading in that direction. You will not see a cent from me until i see you have gotten your greed under control. Anet, i will keep on playing this game for free with your own money maintaining your servers and staff. If the game never changes, you will still not see any extra money from me. If the game closes down, i will feel no loss.

AHHHH Gamblers. They are a lovely bunch. Imagine having a career based solely on making sure they stay happy /casinomarketing, yay me.

I will not buy anything having to do with chests simply because my money is far too valuable to me to just throw away in hopes i get something cool looking for my avatar to wear.
This was my main fear of playing a free to play err…BUY to play. I want to have fun just like everyone else, I would rather spend $15-20 a month and have items guaranteed earned with play, than an unknown amount for a CHANCE

I love your game Anet. I will not partake in your gambling though. I will continue to support you by buying my $15 worth of gems once a month, but the day it starts becoming necassary to maintain top tier, I will find another place to spend my $15 a month. This is coming very, very close to a big no no (for my values) Anet.

kitten, I want the skins (being a completionist/hoarder ), but if the drop rate is that horrible, I’m just going to save my cash. No point in supporting this obvious money making scheme.

MajorMelchett.6042:

What surprised me most of all, is how bad the chest drops are without the skins.

I mean i heard they were bad, but the only thing i got of use was the fine tranforming stones and i could have gotten the same amount for less than half the gem cost i spent on keys!. Sure i got some gathering tools, but i already have the best ones and these BL ones take up so much space (i had to cram the lot on another character to get my inventory/bank space back).

Even without the skins, i’m actully shocked that these chests give out so little for costing so much.

I can only agree about the “normal” BLC drops,
i have opened around 50 or so since GW2 began and i am always underwhelmed by the drops…
In fact, last week it “seemed” that the usual drops were even worse than usual, so i stopped opening them.
if it wasn’t for the Transmutational Stones i need to feed my bizarre reskinning fetish, i wouldnt bother at all. :p

dukefx.9730:

Nope, triple checked! No devil horns

They were temporarily removed because of some bug. Something about equiping it would delete your armor… or maybe something less scary, who knows.

Anyway they’ll be back when it is resolved.

Evans.6347:

dukefx.9730:

Nope, triple checked! No devil horns

They were temporarily removed because of some bug. Something about equiping it would delete your armor… or maybe something less scary, who knows.

Anyway they’ll be back when it is resolved.

i saw a quote that implied that people were “feeding” the horns to the Mystic Forge and so they have had to pull them and update around it (does not take a genius to realise people would do this if it was possible, and yes, Anet didn’t think to prevent it :p).

I also wanted to add that to people comparing this to TF2….its not comparable at all.

TF2 is a FPS. You cannot even see your character except for when you get CC’ed. The game first and foremost is not about the looks of your character, but your own skills.

This game is different. MMO’s are different. Most mmos are nothing but a beauty pageant. Even in WoW where “supposedly” you grind for better stats, 90% of players get them because of the looks. Otherwise they would not show it off at the main towns. In GW2, this is basically the ONLY end game. Its all about your looks. And its such a disappointment precisely because of the lack of armor variety. I honestly dont know what Anet is doing anymore.

Mkalafut.1273:

lcpdragonslayer.7895:

Reading this at work knowing that I’ll be patching overnight. By tomorrow morning gem to gold ratio will probably have gone back to normalish so it wouldn’t be worth it to convert gems to gold to buy the skins I want. Really disappointed. I quit Nexon games because of this kind of ‘pay for a 1% chance’ to get something approach to their cash shop and this feels no different.

I had thought about buying gems to get keys for this event, and I’d have been happy to pay for it if the chance of getting skins was actually decent, but that’s not going to happen after reading all these posts. We don’t do Halloween here but I was under the impression it was supposed to be about lots of candy and lots of fun. This just seems like a whole lot of frustration and misery.

I’m sure the skins aren’t the only thing in the event but it was definitely a big one. Knowing that a lot of players might only want to play around with the skin for the Halloween period – I don’t predict to see everyone running around with scythes and chainsaws a few months from now when the event gets old or when there’s new stuff for Christmas – why make it so difficult to obtain?

Exactly. Hollidays are supposed to be fun and relaxing. In GW1 everyone was running around with Halloween stuff during Halloween. Christmas stuff during Christmas. It’s just because it’s a fun, festive thing to do.

I gladly paid for every costume in GW1 and had every Christmas weapon from Gw1 as well and it was a blast seeing tons of people dressed up and having fun. When this stuff happens, whoever has the most money wins. And that is complete bull___.

I was so excited for something different from other games and similar to GW1 and am sadly ashamed and disappointed. This whole experience ruined this Holliday event for me already. Tons of my buddies and guildies in vent having fun doing the event but I’m already too kitten off to even be logged into the game.

I feel the same way

Well, I wanted some Halloween costumes, but I can tell it isn’t worth even trying now. I was willing to buy a good skin for up to $20 if they didn’t look crap on charrs too. But now A-Net gets nothing from me, which is a shame because I would support their game if the Cash shop wasn’t so RNG reliant on anything better than an hour booster.

Welcome to the world of gambling!

50$ spent and no skin, sorry but you have permanently lost a customer and a player . Fix or see ya.

I’ll start by saying, i know its a chance to drop and there is no guarantee of getting the new skins, this is to keep the weapons rare…fine. But, other companies just put stuff like this up for $25 or something. Players spend $25 and get the exact thing they want.

Anet this thread is 11 pages long because people are spending money and not getting anything of value. I personally spent about $20 and got nothing, others are reporting 120(~$100?) keys and nothing…thats a lot of money for nothing. No its not directly your fault that these people wasted their money, it was their choice, however it is a shady way to do business.

Here’s my stab at a solution, not perfect but whatever its early:
Put some code in that slightly increases your chances for a Halloween item for every chest you open that doesn’t contain one, once you’ve opened $25 worth of chests make a random Halloween item drop and reset the chances of getting one. So, rich folk can spend $25 to guarantee a random Halloween item and feel like they at least didn’t get cheated.

I wouldn’t have bought the game AT ALL if only I saw the NCsoft logo earlier. It’s right on par with Nexon. I thought Anet was still a single entity.

I thought I would spend $20 dollars earlier, just to support the game. After I spent my in-game gold for five keys and got literally nothing of value out of it, I just said to myself I’m done with this.

One interesting note that I think you should take into account Anet (no, I didn’t make this up, nor did I believed my eyes either): The third successive chest that I opened, the only item I’ve got was a single use bank access, that 35 gem thing. Yep, the ONLY item from a 90 gem key (bought a pack of five), was a single use bank access. No tonics/boosters like the usual. Whoever just kittened with the RNG when Halloween items were being added into BLC’s loot table for live servers, you better go check up on him.

And oh, please don’t tell us that the guy forgot to add in zero(es) after the number again, like what happened during the karma exploit. The release was delayed for so long, and you still managed to royally screw up players with the RNG shenanigan, while leaving us in the dark about the actual probability for items in the chest. I take it that you people don’t value your brand that took you… what, almost ten years to build upon in GW1 as something valuable?

If you people have been taking advice from NCsoft, I suggest you should change your mind. NCsoft’s Korean grindy model doesn’t work well most of the time here in America. Sure, there are some people who are willing to shell out their cash, but they are a tiny fraction of the playerbase. Keep on catering them if you want, but I doubt they could really help that much in the long run with all the costs incurred on your side.

I think it’s just A.Net catering for the different types of players from the casuals up to the hardcore 14hour a day grinders. Even GW1 was like this imo. You just gotta know when to pull back and not go for everything, as not everything in the game is going to be achievable for a certain percentage of people (I won’t say the 47%). Sure the grinders will get more stuff but hey, if that’s what you wanna do…..

Charlie Bucket found a key, opened a chest and got a super rare drop as a reward. Everyone cheered.

Entitled, whining crybaby Veruca Salt poured hundreds of dollars into the store and didn’t. Everyone cheered.

The sheer amount of stupidity from so many posters is saddening.

You get bonus items from every chest opened 100% of the time. That is what you paid for. And luckily for us, we get a chance at something cosmetic too.

Stop acting like it’s a cash shop that somehow is ripping you off. We all get the same content. Deal with it.

It’s just as pathetic as buying a lottery ticket, losing, then asking for your money back. If you opened 20, 30, 40 chests, you’re plainly dumb to not have stopped sooner. Don’t blame the alcohol store for you being an alcoholic.

You have a gambling problem and ArenaNet should cater to you?? I shouldn’t have the option because YOU can’t deal? Get over it, you aren’t the center of the world.

While it must suck for those that opened a lot of chests and got none of the halloween items, I happened to have 9 keys and 92 chests sat in the bank, so I used all 9 keys, and got the halloween staff skin.

nearly 100 chests with keys all from the gem store, no skin at all. got over 200 transformation potion.

Was hoping the content update will be awesome and at least give me 1 or 2 skins from 100 chests, it seems ArenaNet is out to grab money with this one.

Sorry, ArenaNet, I am finally uninstalling the game.

Adding new Costumes and Mini-Pets for sale in the shop: Good, already bought them all.
Adding new random drops in trick or treat bags, available all over the world: Good, I love random items and it’ll be fun to collect all event long.
Adding new items to BLC: Good, these could use some more nice items.
Adding new Halloween exclusive skins: Good, I love collecting skins!
Making me pay to buy keys for a random chance at getting one of these 9 skins (and a ridiculously low chance at that), and for a limited time only: BAD

Random loot is great. Random items from the cash shop is not great, but it’s not too bad. Limited time, random items from the cash shop is awful.

I have already purchased the new mini-pets and most of the new cosmetic items in the shops, but I am not very happy with the new limited time skins in the Black Lion Chests. I am a collector, and I was planning on getting everything from the event. I have a ton of time to play over the next week and I had some gold/gems saved up, so I didn’t think that would be a problem. Now it looks like the chances that I’ll get ANY of the exclusive BLC skins are pretty low. I’ll be lucky to get even 1, let alone all of them.

The trick or treat bags are fine, I can buy them in the shop but they are also readily available elsewhere in game. However, I’ve seen a total of about 4 or 5 Black Lion Keys (excluding the few keys that came out of a chest I opened with another key) in my near 500 hours played with the game, so the only real option is to purchase them with gems. Gem prices are insane (luckily I had a bunch saved up already for all the costumes and stuff, and I’m willing to toss some cash at it as well) because of the event so unless I can spend dozens or hundreds of gold on gems or buy keys with real money the chances that I’ll see skins is low. If they added exclusive skins to BLCs that weren’t limited time it wouldn’t be a big deal, but now I have to try and spend a bunch of money over a short period of time and then hope to get lucky. I could even accept it if I was paying for a guaranteed skin, but a random one of the 9, rather than a tiny chance at even getting one.

I don’t want this to sound like I’m just whining. I love most of the event, and I’m so ridiculously excited for it all. The only issue I have is with the new limited time skins being added to the BLCs.

To all the people who are saying, “You wasted your money, get over it!” You have to understand this sets a bad precedent for future gem sales as a whole. The people who are most likely to pour money into the economy in these amounts are not likely to return and spend more if they feel they got burned (as I think a lot of people are on these keys.) This isn’t a matter of entitlement or the regret of a gambler, it’s a simple business matter. After making much to do about these seasonal Halloween skins, I did not expect that the drop rate would be so low. I will not be putting more money into this game in the near future, which is the exact opposite of what they should be looking to do with their game. I want to spend money on this game and support ArenaNet, but I want something to show for it in the game other than some very, very useless booster items. This is true of the BLCs outside of the holidays as well; only bought keys once before this, and I decided never to do so again due to how useless their contents were. This is further evidence that buying keys is just a bad idea.

“I remortgaged my house…bought 47,000 keys and didnt get 1 skin…
Anet, you owe me a house!”

People really need to stop devil’s advocating the whole `but you had a -chance-` crap.
You’re distracting from the issue that the -chance- is not sufficient for what is being provided vs the cost.

If somebody drops 50usd into the game on keys, they really should expect to see 2-5 skins pretty reliably. 10usd is reasonable for a skin, but luck happens too, hence the variable suggested reward.

81 keys: 2 drops. That tallies out to about 3000 gems per skin obtained. That’s bogus.

to those of you who say we have a gambling problem. you can kitten off. to anet you can kitten off. This is worse than diablo three market system,. Grats you make that game look awesome compared to this, and you know what you jack kittens wont even fix it cause you have your heads too far up your kitten holes you kitten loving pieces of kitten . Tricks on us you kitten loving piece of kitten company

My threads trying to discuss topic last week got deleted and removed from forum ,good luck but, This thread will not survive .
8000 views and players were speculating that they would be able to purchase all they needed with in game gold ,Doubt I will every see if they changed their minds now .

I was hoping I was wrong ,but ….

That is why it is called “gambling.”

but seriously,
the whole “RNG-chests-drop-inworld—-keys-in-cash-shop” routine is a F2P device.
shame on you Anet for stooping so low.

If someone went to a casino, blew a lot of cash playing slots, and never did anything but lose, they would complain about it too. It’s not the same thing as demanding you money back; it is simply ranting to other gamblers about the horrible odds.

If you have no intention of either relating to this or relaying a different experience, then you’re really just in this thread to troll.

I’m dissapointed only with the Chest and Skins thing, where we are forced to:
- Farm / Grind the Game like Crazy (for have enough gold to get some gems for keys or farm story for key rewards)
- Buy Gems.

And we may not even have an chance to get one halloween item.

Since my last post was deleted, let me make it again but right.

Sadly, I won’t buy or spend gems for a while.

Not untill ArenaNet makes this things Fair, it’s halloween event, it’s all fun, when we see now about the Halloween Chest Items, we spent alot, hoping have something fun, not even a single item in duzens of chests.

ANet does not take into account the costs of the Keys to Players and the rewards they are having, nonsense.

Just that.

Well people think they are entitled to something, when they aren’t.

Honestly I’m kinda surprised no one made the obvious realization that simply adding stuff to black lion chest loot table was only going to make it harder to get the good stuff.

GIMME! GIMME GIMME GIMME!!!

Ahem, it’s cosmetic. They don’t cost anything. You choose to spend money. Or time. Or not. You can get stuff together and finish next year. Many options. They are not all instant gratification options. Maturity needs to be applied.

Enjoy the free to play game content, and work towards cosmetics if you choose. There are 6 silver weapons to use if you want to have “fun”. They last for 4 hours.

First world problems… woe to be us.

spoiled brats because the odds are astronimically lower than advertised? Because we worked and want to spend money on a hobby? It isnt even the same thing as going to a casino. Its a video game, i view it as part of the sub or non-sub hobby. The ignorant stupid trolls who probably dont work who are calling us spoiled brats is just mroe fuel to the god forsaken kitten fire. Seriously anet you would have easily gotten hundreds of dollars from me for this game but now no… zero chance ZEROOOOOOO. If i had a gambling problem or viewed this as “gambling” id still be playing the card game. So to all you kittens thinking that we are gamblers take your head and pull it out of your kitten. YEAH IM MAD AND I HAVE A RIGHT TO BE AND I DOTN CARE IF THE KOREANS DONT HAVE THOSE RIGHTS OR YOU STUPID LIBERAL WISE-a kittens. I have the right to spend my money elsewhere. Im done ranting and ill check back at the end of halloween and maybe by then anet will pull their kitten head out of their kitten hole and compensate us for terrible terrible game design

keever.3124:

awk stop complaning like a bunch of spoiled brats you get chests and keys through the game no one made you or forced you to spend money you did this of you’re own choice get a grip

Again, these purchases are what will help to fund future content. Maybe you and others don’t appreciate that, but this isn’t a matter of “I did a thing for free in the game and got no drops.” This is actual, real world money that a lot of people have earned from their jobs. ArenaNet specifically posted about and trumpeted these skins and the Black Lion Chests as a great thing to get into for the event. The people in this thread, like myself, probably would not be complaining if the drop rate were simply higher. As it is, they seem to be at 2% or so.

If you open 50 chests, you should get at least 1 per 10. As another poster stated, that’s $10 per skin, and extremely reasonable. If it were that rate, I think more people would actually buy more keys, which helps ArenaNet to produce more content because they have more funds, and may get more in the future with future “special seasonal chests.” This is not a matter of anyone being spoiled or entitled. If your customers do not feel they got something that was worth their money, they will not buy more in the future. For most businesses, repeat customers make anywhere from 70-80% of your profitability. So to call the people who are complaining spoiled is to say, “Well I didn’t want you to support the game that I liked anyway.” It’s a foolish stance to take.

Please refrain from telling us that we’re complaining because we’re spoiled, we’re brats, we’re noobs, etc. We are consumers. We work for our money, and when we feel we didn’t get our money’s worth, it’s our RIGHT to complain. It’s how the world works. If we don’t let Anet know we’re kitten off, they’re gonna continue to screw the people who are putting money into the game. Then no money goes into the game, and it dies a slow slow death. Which is what nobody wants, Anet especially. Alienating your customers is a sure way to ensure they will never return. Customer Service in the world today is horrible. Companies assume that because they provide the service, we should simply be happy with what they give. And that is wrong!!

Quoted from third party site.

“Ultimately my intent with this thread (as reflected in the first two posts)… Is to warn people that the keys are not worth their time/money. The patch notes and the advertisements for this event (their website) did not reflect the rarity of the items/skins. For all we knew, they may have dropped at the same frequency as things like tonics or salvage kits or tools.

The fact of the matter is, they do not. They will be very rare and they will only be around for a week. After the event expires, the prices on the skins will likely rocket to legendary lvls on the TP, since these particular skins can not be acquired any other way.

Unless Anet states otherwise… I personally see no reason to buy keys again. I do like some of the costumes, so I will buy one of those each event instead.
In the end, I think the rarity is a bad idea. It reflects poorly on them. It is a cosmetic item (people really need to pound that point home). My hope had been that the chests were going to evolve into something worthwhile for events, because no one really opened them before (as is reflected by the thousands of chests on the TP).

This has been a big money maker for them over the past 24 hours, but it could have been an even bigger one. Now, I and many others are going to be a bit more gunshy about using keys. "

People complain about anything.

Haven’t had a chance yet to actually do anything with the recent changes yet (it started too late and have to work early), but from what I’ve been reading in all the threads, yeah I’m getting really mad and disappointed. I was really expecting something like the GW1 events, with everything EASILY available to everyone. Now with this event, they’ve added yet another thing that goes against their “philosophy”. I was really looking forward to this, but not really so much now.

Hsinimod.5784:

GIMME! GIMME GIMME GIMME!!!

Ahem, it’s cosmetic. They don’t cost anything. You choose to spend money. Or time. Or not. You can get stuff together and finish next year. Many options. They are not all instant gratification options. Maturity needs to be applied.

Enjoy the free to play game content, and work towards cosmetics if you choose. There are 6 silver weapons to use if you want to have “fun”. They last for 4 hours.

First world problems… woe to be us.

Please stop with the “it’s only cosmetic” bullkitten arguments. Why the hell even have them if they’re only going to be available to the top 10% (estimating, but can’t be too far off). Some of use really want them but don’t have either the real money, time, or ingame gold to even remotely be able to acquire them. They should be easily obtainable (and not just temporarily) for everyone. They should also not be in the stupid RNG items with such a low drop rate. All that does is prove that Anet only want to make quick money (yes I know they need $ to operate, but they could have made just as much by offering them individually in the store).