Guild Wars 2

That is the difference between us Vacks. I don’t need to feel special. I’m not sure why everyone feels the need to be special. Simply put you aren’t. In the grand schemes of things this entire world isn’t even all that special. You could have all the money in the world that doesn’t make you special just like having electricity doesn’t make you special. Plenty of people in the world without it. I’d rather have fun and enjoy myself…because once I log off it’s back to responsiblities. Just writing this was kind of depressing.

Still waiting for someone to show me

1.) How ArenaNet forced anyone to buy anything ?

2.) Where they didn’t specifically say a “chance” of getting something.

So if you spent money that you chose to on a game and can’t understand the word “chance” and are whining , well , it’s simply an additional amusement to me that it upsets you.

I get to play the game I enjoy as is now , and get the additional benefit of folks who lack basic reading comprehension being upset , it’s a bonus.

People that gamble their money away expecting results for their coin need to take responsibility for themselves. It is ANet’s system and they didn’t tell you the odds, but you went in there not knowing the odds and spent your money your way. It doesn’t matter if you knew the odds; you’d complain anyway if you didn’t get what you expected.

On the other hand, ANet probably knew you’d be irresponsible with your money at their gain, but I just can’t feel sorry for you. If your income is that disposable than surely you’re not starving or living off the streets.

I also agree with the original post. I love this game as is, and rather than project my expectations on it I just experience it as they intend. Loving it so far.

The way ANet went about promoting the BLC’s was a bit miss leading. I was expecting to get something to do with Halloween from the 8 chests I opened. And I don’t mean a weapon skin. I mean anything. A tonic something. If I had got something I may have been inclined to buy some more keys. With the drop rates as they are, I will not be spending my money on a BLC for event items. As it seems to be a waist of time and money. So I’ll be doing Halloween in Guild Wars as I will at least get some Halloween items.

fizzypop.6458:

That is the difference between us Vacks. I don’t need to feel special. I’m not sure why everyone feels the need to be special. Simply put you aren’t. In the grand schemes of things this entire world isn’t even all that special. You could have all the money in the world that doesn’t make you special just like having electricity doesn’t make you special. Plenty of people in the world without it. I’d rather have fun and enjoy myself…because once I log off it’s back to responsiblities. Just writing this was kind of depressing.

Oh, I know I’m nothing special. I’m just not one to get depressed about it if I know I have something I worked for, or at least even have the potential to crawl out of the ooze and work toward my own fortunes.

cubed.2853:

fizzypop.6458:

Every single person in the entire world could have a Porsche and I still would be happy when I got one.

I would not say no too ;-)

I’d be asking for it in pink! Hell yeah you can give me a porsche!

Oprah Winfrey: And you get a Porsche! And you get a Porsche! And you get a Porsche!

Vacks.6459:

I guess that’s where we diverge. Some people want to everyone to live in Candyland where everyone can satisfy their sweet tooth. Others like to have things that serve as status symbols that show their distinction from the world around them.

What’s the point in having a Porsche if everyone has one? It’s pretty? Won’t it eventually just look ugly and bland in a sea of Porsches?

Continuing this analogy…
What people seem to think we’re asking for: Porsches for $10.
What we really want: A Porsche at retail value, not a Porsche that is ONLY available through spending several times the retail value in the lottery.

How would you like to take your very large lump sum of cash to pay for a Porsche, go to the dealership, hand it over, and they go “Sorry, you were not one of the lucky ones this time but here’s a CD player instead. Thanks for the money!”

I would rather have rare items be based on how difficult the content I do or even how much time I spend doing it as opposed to RNG. RNG isn’t even worth trying.

We’ll all know that everyone with these special items will be one of two people: someone really lucky (the RNG gods were with them) or some spoiled rich kid IRL who blew $900+ on keys.

Svenn.5209:

Vacks.6459:

I guess that’s where we diverge. Some people want to everyone to live in Candyland where everyone can satisfy their sweet tooth. Others like to have things that serve as status symbols that show their distinction from the world around them.

What’s the point in having a Porsche if everyone has one? It’s pretty? Won’t it eventually just look ugly and bland in a sea of Porsches?

Continuing this analogy…
What people seem to think we’re asking for: Porsches for $10.
What we really want: A Porsche at retail value, not a Porsche that is ONLY available through spending several times the retail value in the lottery.

How would you like to take your very large lump sum of cash to pay for a Porsche, go to the dealership, hand it over, and they go “Sorry, you were not one of the lucky ones this time but here’s a CD player instead. Thanks for the money!”

The catch is you should have known it was a lottery to begin with. I’m sure in your analogy the dealership (if a reputable one) would have advertised this lottery system.

dahkot.3579

Still waiting for someone to show me
1.) How ArenaNet forced anyone to buy anything ?
2.) Where they didn’t specifically say a “chance” of getting something.

Neither of your points matter in any way shape or form to the actual situation. ANET angered its best customers. End of story. ANET is a business, they made a bad business decision, their business will suffer for it. That’s literally everything that matters here.

Your whiteknighting around the forums is completely irrelevant. Nothing you or anyone else says will convince the people that feel like they were duped out of money to be happy about it.

And no, I didn’t spend any money on anything for Halloween. But I sure as hell won’t now or at any point in the future if this is the standard ANET is going to work by. Did I spend money on the gem store before? Sure, back at release for some cosmetic stuff. Will I ever again after watching this fiasco? No.

Is that good for ANET? Obviously not, and that’s all that ultimately matters here.

Vacks.6459:

fizzypop.6458:

That is the difference between us Vacks. I don’t need to feel special. I’m not sure why everyone feels the need to be special. Simply put you aren’t. In the grand schemes of things this entire world isn’t even all that special. You could have all the money in the world that doesn’t make you special just like having electricity doesn’t make you special. Plenty of people in the world without it. I’d rather have fun and enjoy myself…because once I log off it’s back to responsiblities. Just writing this was kind of depressing.

Oh, I know I’m nothing special. I’m just not one to get depressed about it if I know I have something I worked for, or at least even have the potential to crawl out of the ooze and work toward my own fortunes.

If only there was something to really work towards for the middle of the road crowd even if I have a month I doubt I’d log enough hours to even come close to getting that staff. Town clothes and BLC chests aren’t worth the money spent on them. Not a whole lot to work towards…but hey I still have hope maybe they’ll add more towards the end.

Vacks.6459:

Svenn.5209:

Vacks.6459:

I guess that’s where we diverge. Some people want to everyone to live in Candyland where everyone can satisfy their sweet tooth. Others like to have things that serve as status symbols that show their distinction from the world around them.

What’s the point in having a Porsche if everyone has one? It’s pretty? Won’t it eventually just look ugly and bland in a sea of Porsches?

Continuing this analogy…
What people seem to think we’re asking for: Porsches for $10.
What we really want: A Porsche at retail value, not a Porsche that is ONLY available through spending several times the retail value in the lottery.

How would you like to take your very large lump sum of cash to pay for a Porsche, go to the dealership, hand it over, and they go “Sorry, you were not one of the lucky ones this time but here’s a CD player instead. Thanks for the money!”

The catch is you should have known it was a lottery to begin with. I’m sure in your analogy the dealership (if a reputable one) would have advertised this lottery system.

Well, there are no other dealerships. Even if they advertised it that means that the only way for me to get a Porsche is to spend ridiculous amounts of money. I have no way to ever guarantee one, and I could be out millions of dollars with still no Porsche. I saved my money, I worked really hard, but I’m still not allowed to have a Porsche. Why exactly? I worked harder than everyone else to get something I wanted, but I’m not allowed to have it.

fizzypop.6458:

Vacks.6459:

fizzypop.6458:

That is the difference between us Vacks. I don’t need to feel special. I’m not sure why everyone feels the need to be special. Simply put you aren’t. In the grand schemes of things this entire world isn’t even all that special. You could have all the money in the world that doesn’t make you special just like having electricity doesn’t make you special. Plenty of people in the world without it. I’d rather have fun and enjoy myself…because once I log off it’s back to responsiblities. Just writing this was kind of depressing.

Oh, I know I’m nothing special. I’m just not one to get depressed about it if I know I have something I worked for, or at least even have the potential to crawl out of the ooze and work toward my own fortunes.

If only there was something to really work towards for the middle of the road crowd even if I have a month I doubt I’d log enough hours to even come close to getting that staff. Town clothes and BLC chests aren’t worth the money spent on them. Not a whole lot to work towards…but hey I still have hope maybe they’ll add more towards the end.

I do agree with you there. It would be nice to have something else for just anyone to get. I mean, we do get free devil horns at least. But maybe there will be a finale where Mad King Thorn makes an appearance similar to in GW1 and gives away something exclusive for the year?

dahkot.3579:

Still waiting for someone to show me

1.) How ArenaNet forced anyone to buy anything ?

2.) Where they didn’t specifically say a “chance” of getting something.

So if you spent money that you chose to on a game and can’t understand the word “chance” and are whining , well , it’s simply an additional amusement to me that it upsets you.

I get to play the game I enjoy as is now , and get the additional benefit of folks who lack basic reading comprehension being upset , it’s a bonus.

1) It was not forced, aside from the fact that these boxes are the only source of these particular skins—if you want the skin, you get the box or you fork over the gold on the TP. Someone needs to buy them and get them from the boxes in the end, however, or there is no supply for the TP.

2) They specified it as a chance to get it from a box from the beginning, the wording however hinted that it was a significant change to the box’s loot table so as to reward you for buying them with a reasonable drop rate. This assumption partially came, on my part, from experience playing GW1 where ANet was extremely generous with the holiday events and rewarded you for being there simply because, like the player base, they enjoyed their game and wanted it to be fun. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yes, it was a choice to attempt to get the items from the chest. It was a choice based on poor assumptions because they never specified the drop chance. That is, in all this mess, their only failing. But had they actually specified it, I can tell you that they wouldn’t have made even a fourth of the profit they had. To me, this stinks of greed whether you can see past blind zealotry to admit that or not isn’t my problem. Its yours.

drops two cents in the bucket

Something I don’t understand. Folks are angry because they gamble and they lose? At its core, that’s what’s up, yes? You can’t make a pretense of estimating odds from a hundred chests. That’s no way near statistically significant (math background). You would need thousands and thousands of chests to start getting any real picture of what’s going on with the RNG. Regardless, whether the drop is 5%, 0.5% or 0.000005%, the point is still the same. When you gamble, you accept risk. You’re buying scratch off lottery tickets in a virtual world, for the sake of Ned. The best case scenario in which you win, you end up with nothing to show for it but a few pixels and some limited cool factor you’ll care about for maybe a month or two before you move onto the next cool thing. So reality check, do not spend your real life money gambling unless you’re completely comfortable losing that money.

Svenn.5209:

Vacks.6459:

Svenn.5209:

Vacks.6459:

I guess that’s where we diverge. Some people want to everyone to live in Candyland where everyone can satisfy their sweet tooth. Others like to have things that serve as status symbols that show their distinction from the world around them.

What’s the point in having a Porsche if everyone has one? It’s pretty? Won’t it eventually just look ugly and bland in a sea of Porsches?

Continuing this analogy…
What people seem to think we’re asking for: Porsches for $10.
What we really want: A Porsche at retail value, not a Porsche that is ONLY available through spending several times the retail value in the lottery.

How would you like to take your very large lump sum of cash to pay for a Porsche, go to the dealership, hand it over, and they go “Sorry, you were not one of the lucky ones this time but here’s a CD player instead. Thanks for the money!”

The catch is you should have known it was a lottery to begin with. I’m sure in your analogy the dealership (if a reputable one) would have advertised this lottery system.

Well, there are no other dealerships. Even if they advertised it that means that the only way for me to get a Porsche is to spend ridiculous amounts of money. I have no way to ever guarantee one, and I could be out millions of dollars with still no Porsche. I saved my money, I worked really hard, but I’m still not allowed to have a Porsche. Why exactly? I worked harder than everyone else to get something I wanted, but I’m not allowed to have it.

This analogy is just getting out of hand.

For one, you can buy these items off the TP from other players at a given (albeit expensive) price if you don’t want to gamble for it.

And for another thing, if you didn’t get it, tough luck. Maybe next time, sport. You knew there wasn’t a guarantee, right?

Not all of those complaining are “gimme now” people. I’m an adult with a life and full job that I work hard at.

Luck is not a fun mechanic. Reward based on skill or REASONABLE time. Make the skins require a dungeon run, or jumping puzzle, or something like that. Not a lucky roll on the random number generator.

nimajneb.3871:

drops two cents in the bucket

Something I don’t understand. Folks are angry because they gamble and they lose? At its core, that’s what’s up, yes? You can’t make a pretense of estimating odds from a hundred chests. That’s no way near statistically significant (math background). You would need thousands and thousands of chests to start getting any real picture of what’s going on with the RNG. Regardless, whether the drop is 5%, 0.5% or 0.000005%, the point is still the same. When you gamble, you accept risk. You’re buying scratch off lottery tickets in a virtual world, for the sake of Ned. The best case scenario in which you win, you end up with nothing to show for it but a few pixels and some limited cool factor you’ll care about for maybe a month or two before you move onto the next cool thing. So reality check, do not spend your real life money gambling unless you’re completely comfortable losing that money.

You’re right. We shouldn’t waste our money buying things from the cash shop if they’ll continue this trend. That’s precisely whats going to happen, and I’ll tell you what, that effects everyone that plays this game. If they can’t pay their employees the game doesn’t tend to do so well.

I think its natural to assume that anyone is still here after the “new MMO must play for a month” group left that we want the game to succeed. The whole issue, as has been said, comes down to the fact that this alienates customers and discourages repeat buyers. Which does, in fact, hurt the game as a whole.

EDIT: By the way, is it just me or is it funny that the game that advertised “skill” as its core emphasis has a rare loot system that is even more RNG than most other “gear-based” games?

Xhaiden.3891:

dahkot.3579

Still waiting for someone to show me
1.) How ArenaNet forced anyone to buy anything ?
2.) Where they didn’t specifically say a “chance” of getting something.

Neither of your points matter in any way shape or form to the actual situation. ANET angered its best customers. End of story. ANET is a business, they made a bad business decision, their business will suffer for it. That’s literally everything that matters here.

Your whiteknighting around the forums is completely irrelevant. Nothing you or anyone else says will convince the people that feel like they were duped out of money to be happy about it.

And no, I didn’t spend any money on anything for Halloween. But I sure as hell won’t now or at any point in the future if this is the standard ANET is going to work by. Did I spend money on the gem store before? Sure, back at release for some cosmetic stuff. Will I ever again after watching this fiasco? No.

Is that good for ANET? Obviously not, and that’s all that ultimately matters here.

I feel confident the VAST majority of ArenaNets customers will be happily playing the game tonight , not even visiting these forums much less whining about it , and get a kick out of seeing the Halloween things in game they do see.

So the whining , QQ’ing , gimme gimme , fraud , sham , I HATEZ YOU AN , crowd here represents a small , small , portion of the customer base. The average player plays the game without even visiting the forum , much less posting.

It’s the special snowflake crowd that thinks their foot stomping , threats , and crying represents the average player.

Sanarian.9614:

nimajneb.3871:

drops two cents in the bucket

Something I don’t understand. Folks are angry because they gamble and they lose? At its core, that’s what’s up, yes? You can’t make a pretense of estimating odds from a hundred chests. That’s no way near statistically significant (math background). You would need thousands and thousands of chests to start getting any real picture of what’s going on with the RNG. Regardless, whether the drop is 5%, 0.5% or 0.000005%, the point is still the same. When you gamble, you accept risk. You’re buying scratch off lottery tickets in a virtual world, for the sake of Ned. The best case scenario in which you win, you end up with nothing to show for it but a few pixels and some limited cool factor you’ll care about for maybe a month or two before you move onto the next cool thing. So reality check, do not spend your real life money gambling unless you’re completely comfortable losing that money.

You’re right. We shouldn’t waste our money buying things from the cash shop if they’ll continue this trend. That’s precisely whats going to happen, and I’ll tell you what, that effects everyone that plays this game. If they can’t pay their employees the game doesn’t tend to do so well.

I think its natural to assume that anyone is still here after the “new MMO must play for a month” group left that we want the game to succeed. The whole issue, as has been said, comes down to the fact that this alienates customers and discourages repeat buyers. Which does, in fact, hurt the game as a whole.

Gambling is a scummy use of the cash shop. Period. Bank slots, char slots, server xfers are all fine.

But turning an awesome game like gw2 into a fly-by-night ftp mmo cash shop nightmare with gambling lock boxes being used frequently is the bottom of the barrel.

Snerf.1650:

Sanarian.9614:

nimajneb.3871:

drops two cents in the bucket

Something I don’t understand. Folks are angry because they gamble and they lose? At its core, that’s what’s up, yes? You can’t make a pretense of estimating odds from a hundred chests. That’s no way near statistically significant (math background). You would need thousands and thousands of chests to start getting any real picture of what’s going on with the RNG. Regardless, whether the drop is 5%, 0.5% or 0.000005%, the point is still the same. When you gamble, you accept risk. You’re buying scratch off lottery tickets in a virtual world, for the sake of Ned. The best case scenario in which you win, you end up with nothing to show for it but a few pixels and some limited cool factor you’ll care about for maybe a month or two before you move onto the next cool thing. So reality check, do not spend your real life money gambling unless you’re completely comfortable losing that money.

You’re right. We shouldn’t waste our money buying things from the cash shop if they’ll continue this trend. That’s precisely whats going to happen, and I’ll tell you what, that effects everyone that plays this game. If they can’t pay their employees the game doesn’t tend to do so well.

I think its natural to assume that anyone is still here after the “new MMO must play for a month” group left that we want the game to succeed. The whole issue, as has been said, comes down to the fact that this alienates customers and discourages repeat buyers. Which does, in fact, hurt the game as a whole.

Gambling is a scummy use of the cash shop. Period. Bank slots, char slots, server xfers are all fine.

But turning an awesome game like gw2 into a fly-by-night ftp mmo cash shop nightmare with gambling lock boxes being used frequently is the bottom of the barrel.

Couldn’t agree more. I’d have happily forked out two-thousand gems for a single rare, especially knowing it helps to support the game. But with this I don’t feel like I’m supporting the game, I feel like I’m supporting highway robbery. Which is totally cool and all… but…

Sanarian.9614:

Snerf.1650:

Sanarian.9614:

nimajneb.3871:

drops two cents in the bucket

Something I don’t understand. Folks are angry because they gamble and they lose? At its core, that’s what’s up, yes? You can’t make a pretense of estimating odds from a hundred chests. That’s no way near statistically significant (math background). You would need thousands and thousands of chests to start getting any real picture of what’s going on with the RNG. Regardless, whether the drop is 5%, 0.5% or 0.000005%, the point is still the same. When you gamble, you accept risk. You’re buying scratch off lottery tickets in a virtual world, for the sake of Ned. The best case scenario in which you win, you end up with nothing to show for it but a few pixels and some limited cool factor you’ll care about for maybe a month or two before you move onto the next cool thing. So reality check, do not spend your real life money gambling unless you’re completely comfortable losing that money.

You’re right. We shouldn’t waste our money buying things from the cash shop if they’ll continue this trend. That’s precisely whats going to happen, and I’ll tell you what, that effects everyone that plays this game. If they can’t pay their employees the game doesn’t tend to do so well.

I think its natural to assume that anyone is still here after the “new MMO must play for a month” group left that we want the game to succeed. The whole issue, as has been said, comes down to the fact that this alienates customers and discourages repeat buyers. Which does, in fact, hurt the game as a whole.

Gambling is a scummy use of the cash shop. Period. Bank slots, char slots, server xfers are all fine.

But turning an awesome game like gw2 into a fly-by-night ftp mmo cash shop nightmare with gambling lock boxes being used frequently is the bottom of the barrel.

Couldn’t agree more. I’d have happily forked out two-thousand gems for a single rare, especially knowing it helps to support the game. But with this I don’t feel like I’m supporting the game, I feel like I’m supporting highway robbery. Which is totally cool and all… but…

You know, this is my feeling as well. I’m all for giving x amount of gems for y product (that is non combat affecting).

But when they want me to give x amount of gems for z chance at y items. That is scummy to me.

Vacks.6459:

fizzypop.6458:

Vacks.6459:

fizzypop.6458:

That is the difference between us Vacks. I don’t need to feel special. I’m not sure why everyone feels the need to be special. Simply put you aren’t. In the grand schemes of things this entire world isn’t even all that special. You could have all the money in the world that doesn’t make you special just like having electricity doesn’t make you special. Plenty of people in the world without it. I’d rather have fun and enjoy myself…because once I log off it’s back to responsiblities. Just writing this was kind of depressing.

Oh, I know I’m nothing special. I’m just not one to get depressed about it if I know I have something I worked for, or at least even have the potential to crawl out of the ooze and work toward my own fortunes.

If only there was something to really work towards for the middle of the road crowd even if I have a month I doubt I’d log enough hours to even come close to getting that staff. Town clothes and BLC chests aren’t worth the money spent on them. Not a whole lot to work towards…but hey I still have hope maybe they’ll add more towards the end.

I do agree with you there. It would be nice to have something else for just anyone to get. I mean, we do get free devil horns at least. But maybe there will be a finale where Mad King Thorn makes an appearance similar to in GW1 and gives away something exclusive for the year?

Are the devil horns back on the gem store? Didn’t see them this morning and someone said there was a nasty bug with them. I hope so. So far I haven’t seen any halloween events…I’m not sure if they are doing them out in the world or only in LA? We will see if second act gets better.

One short expansion on my thoughts, then I’ll let this drop.

I’ve used the cash shop, specifically for bank space and character expansion slots (altitis confirmed and untreatable.) I will never… ever… ever pay cash money for something that COULD give me an item/skin/etc. in a game. Whether it be real life cash or fake life gold, my view is that gambling is a sucker’s game. If you enjoy it, great. I don’t. Beyond buying the occasional Mega Millions ticket, in case lightning strikes three times in the same place consecutively, I don’t gamble and here’s the point that I’m belaboring getting around to. If you’re unhappy with that model of monetization that ANet has setup… don’t pay them. It’s that simple really. They are indeed in business to make money. If they discover this system doesn’t do it for them, you can bet that they will find other ways to part us from our coin. I suggest it be with lots of town clothing options, because I’m a total clothes kitten. Whatever they choose though, vote with your dollar/ducats. ANet will get the message. No need to worry there.

Hats off to fizzypop for taking a positive thread on the internet and turning it into exactly what we all expected.

If you’re so disappointed by this game as you have continually complained, why on earth are you still here? It’s like digging your own grave and then complaining that you died in it.

If you want to support Anet for this event, there’s always those items in the cash shop that just cost straight up gems (i.e., Mad King Costume and Witch Costume, etc.).

The basic concept behind rare weapon skins is desirable to some people though. I think it’d be ridiculous that everyone can get everything they want, which would make the items less appealing for some people (like me). I suppose they should add some different weapon skins that are straight up purchasable from the gem store too though (for those who feel that they must have a weapon skin for the holiday).

Akhet.6527:

Hats off to fizzypop for taking a positive thread on the internet and turning it into exactly what we all expected.

If you’re so disappointed by this game as you have continually complained, why on earth are you still here? It’s like digging your own grave and then complaining that you died in it.

It wasn’t positive it was insulting people who disagreed with them by calling them the “gimme gimme all crowd” if you really think that’s positive I hate to see what you’d call negative behavior.

As far as being disappointed in the game and still being here…because I paid for it. I want to give my actual feedback so that they don’t assume everyone is in love with this game because I think they have a whole lot of work to do. If I don’t tell them why I feel like playing less and less they aren’t ever going to know are they? You may disagree that’s fine. My husband and friends are playing this game so I stick around to do things with from time to time as well.

nimajneb.3871:

One short expansion on my thoughts, then I’ll let this drop.

I’ve used the cash shop, specifically for bank space and character expansion slots (altitis confirmed and untreatable.) I will never… ever… ever pay cash money for something that COULD give me an item/skin/etc. in a game. Whether it be real life cash or fake life gold, my view is that gambling is a sucker’s game. If you enjoy it, great. I don’t. Beyond buying the occasional Mega Millions ticket, in case lightning strikes three times in the same place consecutively, I don’t gamble and here’s the point that I’m belaboring getting around to. If you’re unhappy with that model of monetization that ANet has setup… don’t pay them. It’s that simple really. They are indeed in business to make money. If they discover this system doesn’t do it for them, you can bet that they will find other ways to part us from our coin. I suggest it be with lots of town clothing options, because I’m a total clothes kitten. Whatever they choose though, vote with your dollar/ducats. ANet will get the message. No need to worry there.

The problem is that gambling hits parts of the brain that bypasses usual thinking.

It’s manipulative and causes people to make poor or irrational decisions. There is a reason that so many places in the world regulate it. Because it’s scientifically shifty.

Akhet.6527:

Hats off to fizzypop for taking a positive thread on the internet and turning it into exactly what we all expected.

If you’re so disappointed by this game as you have continually complained, why on earth are you still here? It’s like digging your own grave and then complaining that you died in it.

It wasn’t a positive opening post. It was demeaning those of us who disagree with manipulative gambling cash shop practices. Fizzypop did nothing wrong.

I don’t think people like the OP understand what a lot of players are angry about. Rare items are fine, I like them too, but when you hit your customer base with a bait and switch tactic, people are going to get angry.

Let me put this into different prospective I call the McDonalds plan. We all know McDonalds does their Monopoly game every year (or more than once a year.) You buy food, you get a chance to win prizes. Same idea applies here. You buy Gems to get keys to open chest for a chance to win prizes. Same idea, different markets. Here is the difference. McDonalds is required BY LAW to show the odds of winning each prize. This is to prevent McD from making it seem like it is easy to win only to find out later that your odds of winning that Nintendo DS were actually 1/1,000,000. That way it’s up to the consumer to determine whether or not they want to take those odds.

What ANet did (or what the perception is to those who bought keys) is do what I described above but without explaining that these drops were actually extremely rare. (Extreme being that there are a lot of cases of people who opened 200 chest without a single drop.) People see it as a tactic that is literally illegal in other markets.

I’m pretty sure that the topic of this thread itself was fairly insulting. The original poster put up a post that specifically targets a group of players and intentionally degrades them. If you want a positive discussion then starting it with “not all” and ending with “crowd” generally tends to get bad results.

Snerf.1650:

nimajneb.3871:

One short expansion on my thoughts, then I’ll let this drop.

I’ve used the cash shop, specifically for bank space and character expansion slots (altitis confirmed and untreatable.) I will never… ever… ever pay cash money for something that COULD give me an item/skin/etc. in a game. Whether it be real life cash or fake life gold, my view is that gambling is a sucker’s game. If you enjoy it, great. I don’t. Beyond buying the occasional Mega Millions ticket, in case lightning strikes three times in the same place consecutively, I don’t gamble and here’s the point that I’m belaboring getting around to. If you’re unhappy with that model of monetization that ANet has setup… don’t pay them. It’s that simple really. They are indeed in business to make money. If they discover this system doesn’t do it for them, you can bet that they will find other ways to part us from our coin. I suggest it be with lots of town clothing options, because I’m a total clothes kitten. Whatever they choose though, vote with your dollar/ducats. ANet will get the message. No need to worry there.

The problem is that gambling hits parts of the brain that bypasses usual thinking.

It’s manipulative and causes people to make poor or irrational decisions. There is a reason that so many places in the world regulate it. Because it’s scientifically shifty.

It doesn’t actually bypass thinking, but it does mess with brain chemistry. Which is why it can be so dangerous. It increases the release of chemicals that are pleasurable. The more these are released in large amounts the more addicted you become the more it further messes with the balance of chemicals in your brain. There are people who are prone/sensitive to it as well further adding the danger to it.

Ah, so now they are blaming ArenaNet for their addiction to gambling.

Holy kitten , just when the whiners couldn’t get even more silly , they do.

ArenaNet , this is the best holiday event ever , the bonuses get better and better.

Uh what? I didn’t see anything demeaning in OP’s post.

He wasn’t overtly rude to anyone, didn’t call anyone out, or anything of the sort. He thanked Anet for the way they set up the event because he likes it that way. He could have easily gone off the deep end but he didn’t.

Pretty sure I’m reading the same post as the rest of you.

You may not like or agree with what he said but he was never “insulting” about it.

dahkot.3579:

Ah, so now they are blaming ArenaNet for their addiction to gambling.

Holy kitten , just when the whiners couldn’t get even more silly , they do.

ArenaNet , this is the best holiday event ever , the bonuses get better and better.

You can’t argue with science dude. It is a bad practice. Anet should be better than that and take a stand against unhealthy and predatory business practices.

It’s not whining to ask people to be better.

dahkot.3579:

Ah, so now they are blaming ArenaNet for their addiction to gambling.

Holy kitten , just when the whiners couldn’t get even more silly , they do.

ArenaNet , this is the best holiday event ever , the bonuses get better and better.

except no one did that. Only saying gambling is an addiction that involves the brain which is true. >.>

Akhet.6527:

Uh what? I didn’t see anything demeaning in OP’s post.

He wasn’t overtly rude to anyone, didn’t call anyone out, or anything of the sort. He thanked Anet for the way they set up the event because he likes it that way. He could have easily gone off the deep end but he didn’t.

Pretty sure I’m reading the same post as the rest of you.

You may not like or agree with what he said but he was never “insulting” about it.

The post title literally called everything that has an issue, the “gimme gimme crowd”

Not only is that false, it’s a direct insult.

Akhet.6527:

Uh what? I didn’t see anything demeaning in OP’s post.

He wasn’t overtly rude to anyone, didn’t call anyone out, or anything of the sort. He thanked Anet for the way they set up the event because he likes it that way. He could have easily gone off the deep end but he didn’t.

Pretty sure I’m reading the same post as the rest of you.

You may not like or agree with what he said but he was never “insulting” about it.

I can see we have different definitions of insulting. Carry on dude.

OP, using ‘extraordinary good luck’ and ‘earned’ in the same sentence is incredibly contradicting.

I don’t get it. Players decide to throw good money after bad over some pixels, then decide that Anet, a profit-driven enterprise when I last checked, is doing the wrong thing?

Akhet.6527:

Uh what? I didn’t see anything demeaning in OP’s post.

He wasn’t overtly rude to anyone, didn’t call anyone out, or anything of the sort. He thanked Anet for the way they set up the event because he likes it that way. He could have easily gone off the deep end but he didn’t.

EDIT: Spendrik, it’s not that we’re upset that ArenaNet needs to make money. Myself? I’m glad they want to make money, considering it helps support the game.

Pretty sure I’m reading the same post as the rest of you.

You may not like or agree with what he said but he was never “insulting” about it.

Look at the name of the thread. That’s what people found insulting. It could be “Thank you for a great patch, ArenaNet.” but it’s not. To put that in as he did, the poster was practically inviting discussion.

If they’d done what anything else related to gambling is required by law to do, and told us the drop rates, then nobody would have any right or reason to complain. But they hid it from us with the intent of making a quick, cheap buck. Its low for a company that advertises itself (go and look at their manifesto) on being different from other developers.

Spendrik.2961:

I don’t get it. Players decide to throw good money after bad over some pixels, then decide that Anet, a profit-driven enterprise when I last checked, is doing the wrong thing?

I’ve thrown no $ into this. I’m arguing that philosophically it is a negative and predatory business practice.

There are ways of making money that don’t resort to gambling. Just offer the skins for a fixed set of gems. PROBLEM SOLVED.

Spendrik.2961:

I don’t get it. Players decide to throw good money after bad over some pixels, then decide that Anet, a profit-driven enterprise when I last checked, is doing the wrong thing?

It’s not their fault man , they couldn’t help it , ArenaNet forced them to.

Snerf.1650:

Spendrik.2961:

I don’t get it. Players decide to throw good money after bad over some pixels, then decide that Anet, a profit-driven enterprise when I last checked, is doing the wrong thing?

I’ve thrown no $ into this. I’m arguing that philosophically it is a negative and predatory business practice.

There are ways of making money that don’t resort to gambling. Just offer the skins for a fixed set of gems. PROBLEM SOLVED.

We’re only one day into the event.

Oh the title, I thought you were all referring to the post. The title’s cut off for me (small resolution, laptop, what can you do).

Still, I would take his actual post into consideration when accusing him of being a jerk because for all intents and purposes his actual post was pretty harmless when it comes to these types of discussions.

It’s pretty clear he didn’t mean it to start anything or his actual post would have reflected that and been rife with similar analogies. This is basically a “thank you anet” thread with a questionable wording of the title and now it’s some horrible mess that will probably get locked.

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But these halloween legendaries are somewhat NEVER going to be in the hands of a casual player, ever. If you do manage to get one, I’d say you can be bumped up into the hardcore category.

Are you by chance one of those casuals? since you will never get such a thing, could you simply just give me all your materials instead so someone like me can work on getting them?

@Spendrik I’m not sure what that has to do with topic. Are you implying that as the event goes on, they will make the same items obtainable through other means?

Nothing would indicate that this is true. Thus, commenting now is better than waiting until later.

Groonz.7825:

Are you by chance one of those casuals? since you will never get such a thing, could you simply just give me all your materials instead so someone like me can work on getting them?

Actually I would. However, I’d prefer to give the materials to someone I know.