Humans are missing a civil problem.

Humans are missing a civil problem.

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Posted by: Rune.4231

Rune.4231

This may have been posted before, but my question is; Why is every other race have a civil issue except for humans?

Asura have the Inquest, a group of asura who share a different viewpoint on the world than others. They are painted as evil almost the entire game, but it’s mostly a matter of us being stuck with the “good” asura from the start.

Norn have the Sons of Svanir, a cult of norn who worship a spirit like the others but that spirit happens to be a dragon. Again they are shown as evil, but in a small way you can see how these are just norn who may see the dragons are the only path forward, and thus just accept it.

Charr have the Flame Legion. Most Guild Wars 1 players know this legion well, they were the self-appointed rulers of the charr in the first game. They struggle to find a god-like figure to lead them, and hate on the other legions for not doing the same.

Sylvari have the Nightmare Court. This one is extremely well done I think. They simply believe the focus of the Dream should be the darkness instead of the light. They believe that Ventari’s teachings shaped the sylvari wrongly from the start.

Then we have humans. At the first of the game, without counting any personal stories, our main enemies are bandits and centaurs. Bandits, while they are human, don’t seem like a huge deal like all the other races are dealing with. They are not organized nor do they all share a common goal. They just want to steal and such.

The next part may be spoilers


Well, during one of the personal story lines, you run into a group called the White Mantle. Now these guys are humans, organized, and all share a similar belief. They work in groups to a common goal of turning the populace away from the human Gods (strengthened even more so now that the Gods have been silent for so long) to their Gods, the Mursaat.

It would seem like Anet had a golden opportunity for humans to share a civil issue with the other races with the use of the White Mantle, but instead stuck it on a single personal story line and called it a day. A lot of Guild Wars 1 players, myself included, loved the story about the White Mantle and the mursaat. I personally think this would have made the human’s starting personal stories a lot better, and even if they have bigger plans for the White Mantle later on (I hope so!), they could have at least shed some light on the White Mantle so newer players would know them a bit better.

What do you guys think?

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Posted by: Dustfinger.9510

Dustfinger.9510


Bandit’s are rebels. They are organized and work with the other ‘evil’ groups like the inquest. Their main goal appears to be the dethroning of Queen Jennah and the Krytan government. It is revealed by the Shining Blade that the bandits are either being supported by, or actually are, White Mantle operatives.

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Posted by: Rune.4231

Rune.4231


It was never revealed if the bandits were working with or just merely hired by the White Mantle, at least as far as I can remember. And besides that, the other race’s rivals are openly seen by all races and story lines, and is quickly apparent when a player is in their areas. If what you say is true, a player would have to play the Street Rat origin story just to know about that, which is why I don’t consider the bandits a true threat.

I also don’t agree with the bandits being rebels. Obviously they don’t like the government, as any bandit would, but I felt most of them were just thieves and murders. While in a few instances there are groups of them working together, it is never really shown (apart from a banner that is shared in a few strongholds, which could mean anything) that they are all a collective force such as the Sons of Svanir or the other “evil” organizations.

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Posted by: Dustfinger.9510

Dustfinger.9510


It was never revealed if the bandits were working with or just merely hired by the White Mantle

I just said that. No matter which one it is, a-net has given you what you are asking for.

Everything else is just against lore. The problem is your understanding of the bandits. I don’t have a human character and I knew they were rebels before looking them up. So they have a common banner which means they are an organization. They work with other organizations that you agree are organizations. There are quests to root them out of hiding which means the law enforcement is looking for members of an organization. They are rebels whether you agree or not. Your understanding of them is wrong. What your asking for is already in effect. The bandits are an organization and that is reinforced multiple times.

edit: Tell Captain Thackeray that bandits plan to attack the city. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Infiltration


Bandits setting fire to an orphanage is pointless if they aren’t an organization with a goal. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Arson_at_the_Orphanage


They have arsonist and saboteurs.


They initially appear as a series of separate groups but we begin to see that is not the case. They are allied with the centaurs in the war against Ktyta under that same common banner. And they are working towards alliances with nightmare court and inquest.

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Posted by: Rune.4231

Rune.4231

You may be right, it may be my understanding of them. However, if bandits were a rebel organization, why not name them something more recognizable? The term bandits doesn’t exactly fit since the other races have named groups to combat with.

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Posted by: Dustfinger.9510

Dustfinger.9510

I think you are right that that is the problem. I think it may be because they aren’t trying to appear to be an organization. if they are whitemantle or if they are working for the white mantle, the WM is far more hidden than any of the other evil organizations. Even more than the Inquest who has inquest supporters/members on the ruling council. I think the term bandit is used to keep their real identity and motives hidden since a-net intentialy portrays them as small separate bands at first.

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Posted by: Lord Trejgon.2809

Lord Trejgon.2809

why everyone forgot about Separatist?
(and in this case Charrs also have renegades :P)

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Posted by: SinerAthin.2374

SinerAthin.2374

Humans have pretty huge criminal issues.

I’ve seriously lost count of all the bandits I’ve killed o.O

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Posted by: Shanna.4762

Shanna.4762

Separatists & Bandits.

Because of the treaty between the Charr & Humans, the region outside of Ebonhawke belong to the humans for settlement, but the separatists are causing a ruckus and making it hard for settlements to thrive. This is something I’d love to watch unfold and deal with in a living story or something.

The bandits on the other hand, seek to dethrone Queen Jennah and remove all forms of government. They’re anarchists and profoundly irritating..They are far more than just rabble & common criminals, though so the theory that they’re actually part of the White Mantle in some form is a strong possibility.