Guild Wars 2

I hope you guys don’t have such a perverted mind to kill Jenna too. You already killed a counselor in LA to replace it with some one you like, not to mention you killed all our Order mentors.
Stop these stupid assassinations. it is not about giving the game some emotional content, it is just making you hate the game and quit

Solid Snake: Unfortunately, killing is just one of those things that gets easier the more you do it

She’s responsible for an Elder Dragon being alive today. Logan ran to save her, instead of saving the world.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

She’s responsible for an Elder Dragon being alive today. Logan ran to save her, instead of saving the world.

This, she must die, by Logan’s hand, one way or another ><

Fine, if you don’t want her dead, some other npc is either going to come capture her (ala Donkey Kong/SAB) (also no one can go save her), or be deposed and put in a tower/dungeon and no one will be allowed to see her.

Agreed if not for Jennah than kralky would likely be dead and snaff and glint likely still alive

I think that important members of the government being assassinated and replaced successfully pass that feel that the world is alive, which is the main objective of the Living Story, but at the same time it reminds us that Tyria is going through very difficult and dangerous times.

That being said, I don’t think that the Queen will be murdered, but I wouldn’t complain if she was. It would be a pleasant surprise.

The only characters on my list of “Please do not kill, I beg you” are Trahearne (because the last thing that Mary Sue needs is to be a martyr), Eir, Braham, Canach, Laranthir, Doern Velazquez, Lord Faren, Rox and Caithe (because I like them a lot, all of them).

Please don’t assassinate Jennah….

….unless Anise gets to take over somehow. Then by all means I have all sorts of weapons in game which can help.

Guild Wars 2 dragons = Logan and Jennah’s fault. I did my part in taking down Zhaitan. Logan just went along for the ride.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

She’s responsible for an Elder Dragon being alive today. Logan ran to save her, instead of saving the world.

There is no proof that having Logan at the fight would have changed the outcome. Yes, they would have had a better shot by purely a numbers standpoint but the second you change 1 variable in a process the previous outcome becomes void.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Guild Wars 2 dragons = Logan and Jennah’s fault. I did my part in taking down Zhaitan. Logan just went along for the ride.

There is a theory that Jennah used her powers as a mesmer to make Logan’s little crush becomes an obsession. If that’s the case, I can’t bring myself to blame Logan for running back to her.
Also, it was only Kralkatorrik. We can’t be sure that the Destiny’s Edge would be able to kill any other dragon. However, if Snaff and Glint were still alive, maybe they could have a chance. At least there would be no reason for Zojja to psychologically torture Eir like she did. I think the Pact would be necessary either way.

Edit: Also, before anyone starts saying that “It was Eir’s fault, she should have just cancelled the attack”, Krakatorrik was coming for Glint already. Eir could either run away and let Krakatorrik simply slay Glint or go ahead and try. Without Glint, they wouldn’t have such a chance again, so the best choice was obvious, though risky. True, Glint died, and so did Snaff, but even though that may seem to us that Eir had a choice, she actually had not. Note that the Zephyrites speak very highly of Eir and do not blame her for Glint’s death. That’s probably because they know what was going on (unlike Zojja, it seems).

Gabby.3205:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Guild Wars 2 dragons = Logan and Jennah’s fault. I did my part in taking down Zhaitan. Logan just went along for the ride.

There is a theory that Jennah used her powers as a mesmer to make Logan’s little crush becomes an obsession. If that’s the case, I can’t bring myself to blame Logan for running back to her.

I thought that was debunked way back in the past?
She didn’t use magic to snag the guy, he’s just naturally stu——I mean in love with her. lol

Gabby.3205:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Guild Wars 2 dragons = Logan and Jennah’s fault. I did my part in taking down Zhaitan. Logan just went along for the ride.

There is a theory that Jennah used her powers as a mesmer to make Logan’s little crush becomes an obsession. If that’s the case, I can’t bring myself to blame Logan for running back to her.
Also, it was only Kralkatorrik. We can’t be sure that the Destiny’s Edge would be able to kill any other dragon. However, if Snaff and Glint were still alive, maybe they could have a chance. At least there would be no reason for Zojja to psychologically torture Eir like she did. I think the Pact would be necessary either way.

We can’t be sure about a lot of things if we change history. If Logan doesnt return there is no proof they would have won. Maybe Jennah dies and with her the peace treaty with the Charr. Maybe then Humans and Charr go to war with each other again, Pact never forms because there is no race unity, dragons are able to do what they will with Tyria.

I hate reading all these: Logan screwed everyone. We have no idea the outcome if he stays. We dont get to rewrite history like that.

Kind of hoping she does get assassinated.

I get the impression that Anet are on an equality quota-filling mission with all these bland female characters in positions of power. If you’re going to have a feminist agenda, at least give the female leads some personality.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

She’s responsible for an Elder Dragon being alive today. Logan ran to save her, instead of saving the world.

So, in other words, without Jennah, there won’t be any GW2, right?
Good to know that. One more reason to add to my OP

Queen Jennah is a POWERFUL mesmer. She is OP!

She’s part of the Human personal story line and the CM story mode. I doubt she’d be assassinated.

meh, Jennah is not going to die in living story unless Anet seriously consider rewriting personal story for human.

Atlas.9704:

Gabby.3205:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Guild Wars 2 dragons = Logan and Jennah’s fault. I did my part in taking down Zhaitan. Logan just went along for the ride.

There is a theory that Jennah used her powers as a mesmer to make Logan’s little crush becomes an obsession. If that’s the case, I can’t bring myself to blame Logan for running back to her.

I thought that was debunked way back in the past?
She didn’t use magic to snag the guy, he’s just naturally stu——I mean in love with her. lol

Was it? I’m sorry, I didn’t know that. I thought Jennah was a powerful mesmer or something, but it has been quite a while since the last time I looked into this kind of information (actually, I think it was before launch), so something may have changed.

Jennah used confusion stacks on Logan. This was way before Anet nerfed it. It all makes sense now…

If Logan stayed, would the fight really have turned out differently? I’ve seen the guy fight, he hits like a wet noodle, must be full vitality/toughness with like 20 power.

funny, without knowing this thread existed, I made a thread asking for the assassination of Queen Jennah!

Too bad it won’t happen because she’s in the human personal story.

I would applaud ANet for having the balls to actually do something memorable and shocking with the living story if they would have Jennah killed. It would be a huge step-up from the boringness we’ve seen so far with the storyline.

Xhyros.1340:

If Logan stayed, would the fight really have turned out differently? I’ve seen the guy fight, he hits like a wet noodle, must be full vitality/toughness with like 20 power.

We can’t know for sure, but he was the one that should protect Snaff.
Snaff and Krakatorrik were having a mental duel, and Snaff was able to hold Krakatorrik down before being tore apart by the dragon’s army.
Let me speculate a little:

Best case scenario: Logan would have been able to protect Snaff, and Krakatorrik would be dead. Jennah would use her OP mesmer powers to fool the army of charr and human into rescuing her, even without Logan to command them. The peace between charr and human would come from the teamwork and friendship of Logan and Rytlock, not from Jennah. Glint and Snaff would be alive.

Worst case scenario: Snaff, Glint, Logan and Jennah die. Zojja and Rytlock blame Eir because that’s what people do when they fail; they blame their leader. Charr and humans would never become allies. Tengu would be a playable race instead of charr.

Most likely scenario, IMO: They kill Krakatorrik because Logan was capable of keeping Snaff alive for long enough. Glint also survives. Jennah dies, and despite Logan and Rytlock’s friendship, charr and human never officially become allies because the new king, a minister, do not like the charr. We get tengu as a playable race instead of charr, but there are a few friendly charr in the world.

Xhyros.1340:

If Logan stayed, would the fight really have turned out differently? I’ve seen the guy fight, he hits like a wet noodle, must be full vitality/toughness with like 20 power.

Actually, Logan has that bubble skill that lasts forever and blocks unblockable rocks, I will take him over Caithe or Eir anytime. Too bad the max party size in GW2 is five, I bet that’s the real reason Logan could’t go.

Jenna has no heir. Killing her would throw Kryta into mass chaos further weakening the human race. Ergo human pc’s would want to see her live.

But feel free to kidnap and torture her a bit. Probably make her a better, more sympathetic ruler.

Or maybe there is an assasination, and in the last day it’s revealed that it was all a trick by Jenna using her mesmer abilities in order to find out who was really loyal to her and who was not…

(BTW, bonus points if Logan turns out to pledge loyalty to the new rulers, thinking Jenna is dead)..

Twist: Logan gets corrupted by Jormag/Kralkatorrik and murders Jennah.

Theo Ashford was a brand new never before seen member of the captains council afaik. It would be too much work to deal with killing jennah off to be worth it.

Queen Jennah is basically inmune to death.

She is involved in personal storyline and it would be confusing to kill her outside the personal storyline.

She is part of the open world, so killing her in the personal storyline and then seeing her in the open world would be confusing too (the 3 mentors for example were designed to be found on instanced content, same as many GW1 characters).

For example, Caudecus isn’t the boss in his own dungeon because if you killed him there, it would create confusion in your human personal storyline.

The conclussion is that if you kill her either in personal storyline or living story/open world, it creates a lot of confussion which makes her virtually invulnerable. At best she could be kidnapped (again).

If Jennah should die….let Kralk do it

Listen to what Lokheit has to say. The Living Story and the Personal Story cannot contradict one another. That is one of the rules that the Living Story team created when they first decided to do the Living Story. If Jennah dies during the Living Story but you haven’t progressed that far in the Personal Story for the human campaign then it would be inconsistent. Moreover, she should have to be excluded from the story mode of Caudecus’ Manor.

While it would be nice to have some darker Song of Ice and Fire moments in the game I doubt ANet would do something so dramatic as to kill off Jennah for the Living Story. The craziest thing that has happened so far is the death of some Lion’s Arch council member that no one has ever heard of up until the point of his death. That’s not to say that it can’t happen some time in the future when ANet adds new content to the Personal Story post-Zhaitan’s defeat.

After she dies Logan will profess his undying love for her.

Then the Queen comes out of the closet and tells him

a) That was just a clone
b) She loves Riel Darkwater
c) Logan can go sod off

Having said that Logan ……… runs away

zeromius.1604:

Listen to what Lokheit has to say. The Living Story and the Personal Story cannot contradict one another. -snip-

Just before starting Flame and Frost, it was said that the LS could be confusing for people that didn’t finish the personal story. Yes, it is due to contradictions. I think the example used was “x npc is suddenly bad”.
Since it has been a while since that was said, I can’t find the link right now. I wonder if anybody else remembers that. My memory might be trolling me, too.

Yes please kill her. She is boring and cardboard cut. We already have kiel right? What was the difference between them again?

I don’t really care either way. She’s annoying.
I wonder if Caudecus would end up sleazing his way into the throne if that happened…

Jennah won’t die… unfortunately.

Killing the Queen can open up a lot of possibilities for plot progression:

• Caudecus sweeps in to become Regent
• Human-Charr alliance breaks apart
• Ebonhawke secedes from DR

Might be all, or even none of the above. Maybe the real Queen is killed and replaced by an puppet figurehead. Or is still alive and we need to find out where she is before the imposter does irreparable damage.

As long as there is a solid consistent plot direction I’m cool with it.

Jennah must die.

You people make me laugh :-P You vote Kiel who is a do-gooder, but yet Jennah, the beacon of peace and unity, you want her assassinated. o.O

Without Jennah humans and charr would still be pushing each other to the edge of extinction.

Long live Queen Jennah!

If ANet kill her off, I am done. The human race is the only one that has really captured my heart.

The ones asking for Jennah’s death are likely not the ones voting for Kiel.

Only if we get to kill Caudecus too.

PolarisNova.3867:

You people make me laugh :-P You vote Kiel who is a do-gooder, but yet Jennah, the beacon of peace and unity, you want her assassinated. o.O

Probably because those people aren’t posting on the forums. The forums are a dirty sample of the worst the community has to offer, more often then not.

This thread gives me a headache. You lot who are hating on Logan have either never finished the games story, skipped it, or you’re really bad trolls.

Without Jennah, we wouldn’t have humans and charr on a road to peace. She’s a great leader and we’ll live in a better more exciting world for it.

On top of that using some simple logic, we know she isn’t going to be killed. She’s an integral character to the games personal story. That would create a nasty paradox.

She isn’t going anywhere OP. Long live Queen Jennah!

I hope the charr kill Queen Jennah and it incites another war between the humans and the charr.

I find it really funny people blame Jennah for Logan running off. Dd she have to say “Only come if you don’t have anything really important going on like a dragon attack ok” for him to take the responsibility? :p

I don’t know if she’ll die but I think it’ll be exciting to find out since this update seems to be a big one event-wise.

dunnberry.2964:

Agreed if not for Jennah than kralky would likely be dead and snaff and glint likely still alive

Yeah. And there’d be no treaty with the charr. So Tyria would still be divided, so the rest of the dragons would kitten em up. Nice short term thinking there.

I’m sure they won’t, but I’d have no problems if Traherne is assassinated or is sacrificed. :b

Daishi.6027:

I’m sure they won’t, but I’d have no problems if Traherne is assassinated or is sacrificed. :b

In the first expansion Trahearne is killed and rises up to be the next big bad. That’s why they tried so hard to make us dislike him now even though he’s supposedly good.

Sitkaz, Trahearne is a sylvari – they can’t be risen.

And Jennah won’t be killed – Doric’s blood flows in her veins – this blood is so powerful that she can dismiss Ghosts from Ascalon, she can link every bloodstone into one big and release its powers (probably so much power that she could defeat elder dragon herself).

However, Order of Whispers stated that Jennah probably isn’t the only one with Doric’s blood. – Although it may be hard to find the other person, and even harder to put him/her on the throne (with the ministers grasping for influence).

Also, treaty with charr will maintain with queen or not. Many people amongst charr and humans are now friends and I don’t think any orders will ever change that. It’s too late. :P

Sorry for my english, I’m not a native speaker. ;c

Hey…no one kills my Queen…

Please, assassinate the Queen Jennah!
Snaff needs revenge!

CETheLucid.3964:

On top of that using some simple logic, we know she isn’t going to be killed. She’s an integral character to the games personal story. That would create a nasty paradox.

She isn’t going anywhere OP. Long live Queen Jennah!

Yeah, cause nothing that happens in the world can be out of sync with the Personal Story. The truth is, Jennah is only around in instances, they can easily kill her off while preserving this.

Rurik and Togo both die in GW1, that doesn’t stop you from repeating missions which have them alive. If they can kill an Elder Dragon yet have his minions and champions still appearing in the open world, they can easily take out a queen who has little to no relevance to the open world outside of minor mentions in a handful of DEs.