Do the right thing and ban people who exploit
This topic is the most braindead thing in this cesspool of forum tears that I’ve read today, and believe me, after the clusterfrog of this Lost Shores event, I thought I’ve seen the worst.
For the people who got DC’ed during the last minutes of the event and never got the chest, I’m very sorry. ANet has already said they will do something about it.
Now, for the other hypocrites on this thread calling out to ban those who spent 6-8 hours of their lives working against an extremely annoying event with their guildmates to re-run these event. For me, the event was very horrible. Between the lag, the bugs, and dying over and over and over again, I did not enjoy it. But guess what? I’m definitely not a rich player. I have less than 10 gold to my name ACROSS all characters. I just wanted the 20 slot bags (which I cannot normally afford), and that took precedence – and I worked for it each and every single time and I CONTRIBUTED to making sure that Ancient Karka stayed dead (and it’s irrelevant but let me just mention that I was physically sick – fever due to tonsillitis – the whole time, and I was literally shivering in cold sweat while doing this event for 8++ hours).
I can’t believe that there are people who would be turning against other people in the community who made it able for those who were not able to do the event initially, and for those who have already done the event to help overflow servers that had the event running but had NO ONE in them to finish the event.
If there’s any one or any thing to blame here, blame it on how the event was designed.
A game exploit implies that you earned some form of reward disproportionate to the effort spent, and none of that happened here.
If you’ve actually done the event from start to finish three times back to back, believe me, even if I had gotten 6 precursors out of it (and just fyi – I got zero precursors and a lot of trash exotics and rares that I just vendored), the reward would be just enough to compensate for the horrible experience.
So what’s the right thing next steps here?
The right thing to do here is for ANet to apologize and appropriately compensate those who WORKED HARD but did not get the reward, for ANet to design future events better, and for people to stop turning on players who helped underpopulated overflow servers finish their event.
My thanks to the rest of the wonderful community who posted threads on which overflow servers were still running.
Now to the rest of the folks complaining about:
1) how RL > game and they did not have the time to do the event
2) how other people spent 6-8 hours of their lives grinding the event to get the bags and accessories and they didn’t for whatever reason
YOU ARE THE ONES WHO ARE SELFISH. You expect people who have worked hard (REALLY REALLY HARD – I cannot overstate this enough) to get the rewards to be banned simply because you did not think out of the box and wondered “hey, maybe I can do this on my other characters… let me check what the people in the forums are talking about”. You should be rightfully ashamed by trying to bring down others who were justly compensated for the effort they put in.
Btw, I live in Asia. The event started for me at 4AM. I finished at 12:30 in the afternoon. And I’m still sick (much better now though, thanks for asking). So please stop with the excuses. Like in real life, you need to identify windows of opportunities and act on it ASAP, or that window will close. You don’t go, “Omg, please please don’t hire those people who were able to attend the job interview on time because I was not able to go.”
Seriously. Logic check please.
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delete all ur loot first, then we can talk.
Produce a constructive post, then we can continue to talk. For now though it seems you are trolling the forums negatively for a selfish disgusting reason.
Ur just a hypocrite. U will understand once ur on the same boat.
Sure call me names, since you are just a kitten hurt player that thinks of yourself more than the community or love the company even gave within this entire new content debut.
Ur just defending yourself, and It’s not like your thinking about the community when u looted 3x
I resurrected people, made a guide for people, advertised about the guide to other threads, and helped people get into the overflow servers.
Who is still thinking about themselves?
because u can’t solo the event on its own, and require more test subject.
The event is made for a group of individuals. Nobody can solo through it, and it seems you are running out of excuses.
Unlike you, I am also supporting positive ideas within this forum. Again, I ask you which one of us is still thinking about greed reasons?
ur only supporting the positive ideas because u got ur cut out of the deal. What about others that are left in a sea of sorrow. Who is the greedy one that loot it not 2, not twice, but 3 times, while the rest of us want our fair share.
I cannot believe how immature you are, honestly. The most rewarding thing I got from that event was having everyone act and function as a caring group. You are so bent kitten hurt on the drops that it is clouding your judgement. Geez
Do us all a favor and just stop posting. Your failure in reading comprehensible posts made by the community shows in your attack toward the community.
No you do us a favor and read the posts by the rest of the community. Tell us who is right when the 95% are calling for head vs the 5% that took advantage of it.
You are within the 5% vocal minority that has been QQ’ing for a while now. Therefore those of you who are wishing the more than half of the community to be beheaded for a digital trinket you are furious about are wrong.
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This is indeed exploiting, its a ONE time event, you are not supposed to be able to do it more then once, that some ppl get to loot more then once is so kittening unfair… Also if you were supposed to be able to do this more then once there would not be account bound loot in it…
These ppl should be banned or atleast give them a second chance if they delete their items
This topic is the most braindead thing in this cesspool of forum tears that I’ve read today, and believe me, after the clusterfrog of this Lost Shores event, I thought I’ve seen the worst.
For the people who got DC’ed during the last minutes of the event and never got the chest, I’m very sorry. ANet has already said they will do something about it.
Now, for the other hypocrites on this thread calling out to ban those who spent 6-8 hours of their lives working against an extremely annoying event with their guildmates to re-run these event. For me, the event was very horrible. Between the lag, the bugs, and dying over and over and over again, I did not enjoy it. But guess what? I’m definitely not a rich player. I have less than 10 gold to my name ACROSS all characters. I just wanted the 20 slot bags (which I cannot normally afford), and that took precedence – and I worked for it each and every single time and I CONTRIBUTED to making sure that Ancient Karka stayed dead (and it’s irrelevant but let me just mention that I was physically sick – fever due to tonsillitis – the whole time, and I was literally shivering in cold sweat while doing this event for 8++ hours).
I can’t believe that there are people who would be turning against other people in the community who made it able for those who were not able to do the event initially, and for those who have already done the event to help overflow servers that had the event running but had NO ONE in them to finish the event.
If there’s any one or any thing to blame here, blame it on how the event was designed.
A game exploit implies that you earned some form of reward disproportionate to the effort spent, and none of that happened here.
If you’ve actually done the event from start to finish three times back to back, believe me, even if I had gotten 6 precursors out of it (and just fyi – I got zero precursors and a lot of trash exotics and rares that I just vendored), the reward would be just enough to compensate for the horrible experience.
So what’s the right thing next steps here?
The right thing to do here is for ANet to apologize and appropriately compensate those who WORKED HARD but did not get the reward, for ANet to design future events better, and for people to stop turning on players who helped underpopulated overflow servers finish their event.
My thanks to the rest of the wonderful community who posted threads on which overflow servers were still running.
Now to the rest of the folks complaining about:
1) how RL > game and they did not have the time to do the event
2) how other people spent 6-8 hours of their lives grinding the event to get the bags and accessoriesYOU ARE THE ONES WHO ARE SELFISH. You expect people who have worked hard (REALLY REALLY HARD – I cannot overstate this enough) to get the rewards to be banned simply because you did not think out of the box and wondered “hey, maybe I can do this on my other characters… let me check what the people in the forums are talking about”. You should be rightfully ashamed by trying to bring down others who were justly compensated for the effort they put in.
Btw, I live in Asia. The event started for me at 4AM. I finished at 12:30 in the afternoon. And I’m still sick (much better now though, thanks for asking). So please stop with the excuses. Like in real life, you need to identify windows of opportunities and act on it ASAP, or that window will close. You don’t go, “Omg, please please don’t hire those people who were able to attend the job interview on time because I was not able to go.”
Seriously. Logic check please.
A exploit is still a exploit no matter how you look at it, and besides I am only calling out people who loot it more than once.
Yes, yes it was a ONE time event. That doesn’t mean that you were supposed to do it more then once, it just means: The event will happen only one time per server, it will never be repeated. That’s whats this one time thing is all about.
The overflow-servers count as normal servers and thus you were able to complete the event multiple times while the event lasts (phase 3 day, that is) as long as you go to a different overflow. In fact, I attended more than 5 different events due to disconnects and each time I logged back in, I was on a different overflow.
Another fact: This thread is fun to read.
A exploit is still a exploit no matter how you look at it, and besides I am only calling out people who loot it more than once.
Please tell me how looting the chest more than once on different characters whilst doing the whole thing end to end repeatedly is an exploit? It’s a one time event, yes, but it’s a one-time event PER character. Please get that into your skull.
Halloween was a one-time event. I got the Mad King’s Slippers on 4 different characters. Following your logic, that would have been an exploit too huh? Again, logic check pls.
Anyway, I’m done with this thread. You can cry all the river of tears that you want. My faith in ANet has wavered greatly over the past 48 hours but I’m just hoping they see through the vile intent of this thread and decide better.
delete all ur loot first, then we can talk.
Produce a constructive post, then we can continue to talk. For now though it seems you are trolling the forums negatively for a selfish disgusting reason.
Ur just a hypocrite. U will understand once ur on the same boat.
Sure call me names, since you are just a kitten hurt player that thinks of yourself more than the community or love the company even gave within this entire new content debut.
Ur just defending yourself, and It’s not like your thinking about the community when u looted 3x
I resurrected people, made a guide for people, advertised about the guide to other threads, and helped people get into the overflow servers.
Who is still thinking about themselves?
because u can’t solo the event on its own, and require more test subject.
The event is made for a group of individuals. Nobody can solo through it, and it seems you are running out of excuses.
Unlike you, I am also supporting positive ideas within this forum. Again, I ask you which one of us is still thinking about greed reasons?
ur only supporting the positive ideas because u got ur cut out of the deal. What about others that are left in a sea of sorrow. Who is the greedy one that loot it not 2, not twice, but 3 times, while the rest of us want our fair share.
I cannot believe how immature you are, honestly. The most rewarding thing I got from that event was having everyone act and function as a caring group. You are so bent kitten hurt on the drops that it is clouding your judgement. Geez
Do us all a favor and just stop posting. Your failure in reading comprehensible posts made by the community shows in your attack toward the community.
No you do us a favor and read the posts by the rest of the community. Tell us who is right when the 95% are calling for head vs the 5% that took advantage of it.
I loled at the numbers he’s giving. I really loled.
I’m not sure if it is an exploit or not, but I would like some clarification from Anet.
If it was not an exploit, why were posts helping people redo the event deleted?
I would very much like to know about this whole reusing overflows to get more “stuff” and if they class this as an exploit, because at times, you can find some ore and then travel to another server and get the ore again. Waiting on Anet for a statement with regards to overflow servers.
No, the ore is, like the chest for the event was, character bound. You can harvest it as many times as you have different characters, but not more than once with a single char.
Multiple Ancient Karka runs are not an exploit because the chest was character-bound.
It is an exploit. You are exploiting the overflow system in a non-intended way. One-time event means that everyone is on their server and playing with one char and finishing the event and then getting the chest. If you switch to a 2nd char then ideally you should again be in your main server where the event already finished – since it was a one-time-event.
So it should not possible to do it more than 1 time.
Using the overflow system to workaround this and to the event more than 1 time is an exploit.
Now you could say: But I did a lot of work with the 2nd char too… but probably most did not and only damaged the last boss a bit. And even if they did: The rewards were pretty high much higher than other bosses or events. People got and advantage here.
The least ArenaNet should do is removing all the stuff gained from this and really doing an accountwide check next time and not rewarding a 2nd time even if you play on a 2nd char on a different overflow.
I can understand if you farm orichalcum on different overflows. That is not a big deal even if you do it regularly. But chances on precursor and a 20 slot bag that usually costs you 10+ gold to make. Even if it is accountbound and you can’t turn it into gold you still save the gold that you otherwise needed to fill one of your bag slots with a 20 slot bag.
If it’s a bannable exploit, why does it function EXACTLY the same as DR in dungeons, which discourages repeating on one toon but encourages repeating on multiple toons?
Why does the chest specifically stop you from looting it on one character, but it does not prevent you from looting it on another character? Why not have the chest work only once per account?
If you weren’t supposed to be able to repeat the event on multiple toons and get the reward on multiple toons, why did the chest work on multiple toons and not the same character?
The way it worked out is in currently in line with exactly how the rest of loot distribution and rewards in the game works. To do the same as everywhere else in the game and then ban people for doing what they do daily in dungeons, that’s blind-siding the community.
This issue really seems to be about three things. One is the rediculous rewards given (to some people). I agree they should have been less, but that doesn’t mean people should be banned for something ArenaNet decided. The second is the people who missed out because of lag/DCs. That sucks and should also be fixed. The third is people unable to attend at all because they live in different time zones. That also sucks and hopefully they will quit these one time event things. Banning people will not fix any of the problems people are truly upset about. The jealousy is causing people to forget the real issues and transfer that anger onto others.
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Why does the chest specifically stop you from looting it on one character, but it does not prevent you from looting it on another character? Why not have the chest work only once per account?
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The way it worked out is in currently in line with exactly how the rest of loot distribution and rewards in the game works. To do the same as everywhere else in the game and then ban people for doing what they do daily in dungeons, that’s blind-siding the community.
Exactly. If it works the same as other stuff in the game it only means they did not thin about people exploiting here and only forgot to implement a new mechanism preventing it here.
Again: You do it one time with one char. Then you switch to another char but you should not be able to do it again because it finished already. You are exploiting the overflow mechanism here… it is not only about playing different chars.
If they wanted us to do it on different servers they could have said from the beginnig: We start it each server on different times so players have more time to switch between servers and overflows to get the reward for all chars.
They did not. They intened it to finish all the servers same time. Of course this is not possible because of different amount of players with different skill, different gear, different lag which leads so some servers being slower… and then being abused to get more reward by people doing it again.
You cannot possibly know what Anet intended. Pointless speculation contributes nothing.
They banned people at the beginning when they turned karma into gold with cooking stuff they bought with karma.
And guess what: The game was totally new and people could not have known what ArenaNet intended. Still they banned… when nobody could have known since the game was that new.
They need to at least remove the advantage – the stuff gained from 2nd+ chests.
People earned those chests. They did the same work people who only got one chest did, only they did it twice. Most overflow servers were harder to complete the event on because less people were in them (the first servers to do it were packed). People spent an entire day (this went on for hours) repeating the event to get these rewards. Some servers took over two hours to do it. Why would you take the rewards away from people who earned them and keep the rewards on the people who didn’t do it as many times? That’s how it works in games, you do it more, you get more rewards.
It was something like 12 hours before the servers were reset and the repetition was closed. There was a thread on this forum advertising the ability to do the event after it was first available, going as far as the let people into it. It was left open the entire time by the mods, if it was an exploit, they would have closed the thread and any like it to prevent people from taking advantage of it. Most exploits aren’t even allowed to be discussed on the forums after they are fixed, so why is this thread still here?
Once again, this is about jealousy over three issues; the reward amount, the people who were cheated by disconnects and the people who were unable to attend. Three issues which create strong feelings of resentment and a divide in the community between the monkeys with cucumber and the monkeys with grapes.
Lore-wise having a chest per character makes sense, all of your heroes are unique, they all have “unique” story and interactions with Tyria. Simple as that.
how is it fair that some people get to loot the chest multiple time, while the rest were left out in the cold. Looking back at how Anet were banning people for karma/cooking exploit, and considering as how this was suppose to be an one time event, it is clearly a exploit.
i open chest twice with my 2nd lvl80 in a overflow server, and i give a chance to do event at ppl who never do.. so my story is this:
when i read forum and c the overlow running i just post on forum for ferry ppl who whont open chest maybe 2nd time or maybe 1st time who care if i give to a lot of ppl chance to open 1st or 2nd time (maybe more) the 1 time event chest?
I think is for ppl like me a lot of player was able to do the event for DC problem or Real Life problem..
My party was Crazy man, my wisp was like hell and for 2h i just stand and try to replay all /w and ferry all ppl to give a chance>>>
and u wont ban me for do this? ban for helping community?
GZ MAN
I guess it is not possible to punish those who looted the chest twice it was kind of a flaw in the system and people abuse those, it happened, now we ANet should learn of this.
For the next one time event they should implement a reward system once per account, so people sho just farm overflows for 5 mins will have no chance to loot multiple times. These restrictions should be announced well up front and this would be fair.
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If it was per character they might make a new repeatable version of the event that recognizes which char already got a chest from the last weekend… and let other chars that did not get it do it again. So people that did not exploit have a chance to get it on all char slots too.
Also maybe a lower reward chest for repeating on the same char(to encourage players that already got the main chest with all chars to go with chars there because the event needs lots of players).
That would be fair then. If I knew the exploit was allowed I would have tried to get it with all 5 chars not only with one. Now I played fair and did not try to exploit… they can’t put me at a disadvantage here. If they are not going to remove rewards from people that opened more than 1 chest then I want to be able to get the rewards for my other 4 chars too.
Very mature, indeed, very mature. It’s a reasonable point wanting rewards if you were disconnected just before the ending of the event. But this thread is not about not being able to loot the chest. There are other threads about that.
An official statement of ANet if it’s ok for them during future events would be all that is needed to end the crying…
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It is not about computer or connection. If disconnected it was their fault because it were the servers problems. You could see it if you tried to kill a mob far away from the zerg – only you and the mob visible and still skill lag. That can’t be the hardware.
I did not get disconnected and I hope everyone disconnected will still get a reward. Also I am not whining about precursors – everyone got the same chance it it is just about having luck.
Exploit is about generating multiple chances. And this is what this thread is about… if this was allowed or not. If it was allowed I will try to use every future exploit I should find and just say “I did not know it was an exploit”. They can’t ban me then. I can’t know what they intended or not. Won’t make the same mistake again that might lead me to miss on getting nice rewards with all chars.
how is it fair that some people get to loot the chest multiple time, while the rest were left out in the cold. Looking back at how Anet were banning people for karma/cooking exploit, and considering as how this was suppose to be an one time event, it is clearly a exploit.
i open chest twice with my 2nd lvl80 in a overflow server, and i give a chance to do event at ppl who never do.. so my story is this:
when i read forum and c the overlow running i just post on forum for ferry ppl who whont open chest maybe 2nd time or maybe 1st time who care if i give to a lot of ppl chance to open 1st or 2nd time (maybe more) the 1 time event chest?
I think is for ppl like me a lot of player was able to do the event for DC problem or Real Life problem..My party was Crazy man, my wisp was like hell and for 2h i just stand and try to replay all /w and ferry all ppl to give a chance>>>
and u wont ban me for do this? ban for helping community?
GZ MAN
Yup thanks to all of you guys who helped guys like me a chance at having a go or two with the event. Was so depressed when i heard i could have a chance at precursor but did not attend the event. Even though, i did not get one, i had my chance. Better luck next time.
If they intended for the chest to be looted only once, they should have made it a one time per account thing, not one time per character. We’ve already seen that they have the means to do such things with the Halloween event.
I know that most of the people I know who got multiple chests participated in a fair portion of the event each time, so it’s not like they were jumping onto different characters and getting free loot from chests that other people worked for.
What part of the Halloween event was once per account? To my knowledge they haven’t shown once the ability to make anything a once per account thing.
This isn’t to say I think this should have been a once per account event, but they are going to let you run an event more then once (on different characters), make sure you are able to let EVERYONE run it multiple times. Having many people dc and not be able to log back in, not being able to participate in an event with such huge rewards simply because it’s 3-4am on a workday…etc.
I also know a far number of players that were able to log into overflows and participate in the each event for 5mins and were able to open the chest. Are you saying participating in the same event for 5mins multiple times = work put in to receive such high rewards? I saw (and heard over vent) logging in, running to an event that’s almost over, hitting the boss for 1-2 mins (max) and looting a chest. That sounds like free loot to me.
However, note that one of the loot was unique and account bound. Which seems to indicate that the looting is only supposed to happen once per account.
It was nearly impossible to join an event that was even 1/3rd of the way done. So those people who were able to get into multiple instances:
1. Had spent the time to level multiple characters, that shouldn’t be punishable. I believe chance of pre legendary was only to high level toons.
2. They spent a long amount of time in the new event helping others.
3. Yeah people got pre-legendaries. I know of several people who opened multiple chests and got nothing. Most of the guildmates that got them didn’t even get ones worth much at all…. lots and lots of the torch. I have a friend who opened 5, and didn’t make more than a few pieces gold.
The only people complaining about it are either people that missed the event, which is unfortunate, but you probably weren’t going to get anything… also some of us MADE time for the event… It was supposed to happen once at noon… it happened for many many hours and you still missed it? I don’t think that’s the other players fault.
Or it is a person who missed out on doing it multiple times, and now they are disappointed and angry, so they want others to get punished that were smart enough to do it again.
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Hi all.
Due to the amount of time the event took to run on a character, swapping to another character to run the instance again on a different overflow server is not considered an exploit by the development team. While there was an extremely small chance for individuals to jump to an overflow that required little effort to complete, the majority of players participating in the final event put in a lot of time and work so as such, they were entitled to receive the same reward for completing the event again. This was designed as such to allow those players who couldn’t hop on exactly at 12 noon PST an opportunity to participate in Sunday’s event.
Thanks for your feedback, which we’ll be sure to consider for future events, but for this event, this thread and topic are closed.