Guild Wars 2

Is this serious? For gift of ascension we need 500 tokens and the back accessories (which I assume you need to Mystic forge) are over 1000 (I think it was 1350). I got 15 for a run that took an hour. That’s 123 hours if I want it! For one back item! Are you kidding me? And what if I want to run different builds (eg MF and condition damage)? I’ll have to grind 246 hours JUST FOR THE BACK ITEMS! This is madness.

Has anybody done more than the first 3 fractals? Maybe I could understand if they quintuple token drops after the first run… my group all ditched after the first so I don’t know. Although aren’t you supposed to NEED an ascended armor with infusion in order to combat agony after the first run? Bit of a catch-22 there…

And unlike other dungeons which are an alternative to acquiring exotics by other means, this dungeon is the ONLY way to get ascended gear. So if we want the best, we now have to ignore the rest of the game. Great…

Where does it say you have to ignore the rest of the game? Where does it say you have to get a new item as soon as it comes out? Do what you find fun in game. No one is forcing you to rush in order to get an item.

Higher difficulty = Higher reward btw.

This new dungeon seems to be anet’s outlet for new content. They can just tack on new fractals and gear whenever they get around to actually designing it. I fear the rest of the game may stagnate further.

Regizer.1763:

Where does it say you have to ignore the rest of the game? Where does it say you have to get a new item as soon as it comes out? Do what you find fun in game. No one is forcing you to rush in order to get an item.

Ahem, let me repeat myself: If we want the best. And who said anything about rushing? You can spread it out as long as you want, but in the end you’ll still need 100 hours or more for ONE back item. ridiculous.

And yes, I would still like input from people who have done more than one run in a row.

This game was never about increasing gear stats. Making a game behave like other MMOs (who have all failed) when it was never designed to act like that is a recipe for disaster. Wait till you see what the MF recipes to make this awesome new gear requires! fingers crossed for 250 Obby Shards and ectos

I’m actully kinda glad if they take so long, until they are available outside of the dungeon i recon they should take quite a lot of time inside the dungeon (they should be faster than what you said though due to the leveling system).
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Remember, Anet said these are supposed to be between exotic and legendary items. As such, consider how long it takes to get a single exotic dungeon item (from a standard dungeon) and how long it takes to get a legendary (100% world, mats etc) – now put the FOTM items inbetween those 2 timeframes and it doesn’t actully seem all that unfair (more so when anyone who doesn’t like dungeons have no other way to get them).

I’m pretty sure the new dungeon was designed for people who kept complaining that there is no end game and endless gear grind was essential for the game to survive.

Now they’ve got it, but because the Ascended armor is only needed for that one dungeon the rest of us can ignore it.

(For the record I haven’t tried the dungeon yet, I’m much more interested in the savenger hunt type thing, but since it was added to appease people demanding endless grind it wouldn’t suriprise me at all if that’s what it is.)

I’m pretty sure you get more from higher difficulties.

I think you can bring ascended gear outside the dungeon into WvW and PvE. And it is actually quite a bit better than exotics. So now we have a situation where the .1% of players who have enough time to grind this crap will have a power or farming (in the case of MF) advantage over everyone else.

On the other hand if you can’t bring it out, then it’s just plain useless.

Jabberwock.9014:

Regizer.1763:

Where does it say you have to ignore the rest of the game? Where does it say you have to get a new item as soon as it comes out? Do what you find fun in game. No one is forcing you to rush in order to get an item.

Ahem, let me repeat myself: If we want the best. And who said anything about rushing? You can spread it out as long as you want, but in the end you’ll still need 100 hours or more for ONE back item. ridiculous.

And yes, I would still like input from people who have done more than one run in a row.

The numbers you posting are only speculation. Dungeons tend to become easier the longer they are out. And besides whats the point of making new content if it can be done soon after it comes out. This is MMO, where progression over time is needed.

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

I’m pretty sure you get more from higher difficulties.

still getting 5 per boss at higher diff

Jabberwock.9014:

I think you can bring ascended gear outside the dungeon into WvW and PvE. And it is actually quite a bit better than exotics. So now we have a situation where the .1% of players who have enough time to grind this crap will have a power or farming (in the case of MF) advantage over everyone else.

On the other hand if you can’t bring it out, then it’s just plain useless.

I think you can bring it out, but I’m not convinced the stats are different enough to make it required.

You don’t currently need a full set of exotics on a level 80 character to do WvW do you?

Somebody in map chat told me that got 20 + 9 from bags for the second run. So it is still horrendous. And above that agony will probably kick your kitten so until you actually GET an ascended item you’ll be stuck on the lower diffs.

Yes, but if its only an increase of 5 per run it’s still insanity. Not to mention you have to have uninterrupted access to the game for hours on end in order to get up high enough to make more than jack-squat.

Regizer.1763:

Jabberwock.9014:

Regizer.1763:

Where does it say you have to ignore the rest of the game? Where does it say you have to get a new item as soon as it comes out? Do what you find fun in game. No one is forcing you to rush in order to get an item.

Ahem, let me repeat myself: If we want the best. And who said anything about rushing? You can spread it out as long as you want, but in the end you’ll still need 100 hours or more for ONE back item. ridiculous.

And yes, I would still like input from people who have done more than one run in a row.

The numbers you posting are only speculation. Dungeons tend to become easier the longer they are out. And besides whats the point of making new content if it can be done soon after it comes out. This is MMO, where progression over time is needed.

the dungeon is designed to get harder the more you run it.

I wasn’t able to finish my first run, we were booted right before the end. Right now too turned off to even load the game.

I agree with your initial post. I feel like a hamster on wheel with this game. Constantly grinding and grinding to keep up. It’s bad enough keeping up with an economy being drive by bots and 3rd party gold. I don’t need Anet increasing this by designing items so prohibitively expensive. How many hours a day do they think we have to play???? Not to mention doing the same thing over and over isn’t really…. what’s the word…. oh yeah!… FUN!

Grind or not, i love it. It will keep me busy till next patch! Anet <3

xtorma.1283:

Regizer.1763:

Jabberwock.9014:

Regizer.1763:

Where does it say you have to ignore the rest of the game? Where does it say you have to get a new item as soon as it comes out? Do what you find fun in game. No one is forcing you to rush in order to get an item.

Ahem, let me repeat myself: If we want the best. And who said anything about rushing? You can spread it out as long as you want, but in the end you’ll still need 100 hours or more for ONE back item. ridiculous.

And yes, I would still like input from people who have done more than one run in a row.

The numbers you posting are only speculation. Dungeons tend to become easier the longer they are out. And besides whats the point of making new content if it can be done soon after it comes out. This is MMO, where progression over time is needed.

the dungeon is designed to get harder the more you run it.

Easier as in people get better geared, figure out how to beat bosses and come up with better strats in order to beat the dungeon

The point of the dungeon—from what I understood—is to challenge groups of players to go as far as they can in a single run. If we get 5 more per each level that we go up, then I don’t see the problem here. This dungeon is intended to be an actual challenge, and I believe is primarily there to ease the pain of players which have already absorbed a large portion of the game’s content.

mcarswell.3768:

CC Dalmarus.8397:

The amount of tokens you receive increase with each scale so keep going!

how about YOU keep going. and i’ll go do something fun. like WvW.

High Five. That’s the Spirit: Don’t like something in the game, go do something else you like. Why do most people not get this? This game is about giving players choice as to what they want to do.

It doesnt reset if you stop the run does it?

I just hope that over time they will add more ways to gain equal level gear (WvW, Crafting, PvP, solo options, etc.) so the people who asked for dungeon based end game can do them, and the rest of us can do something else.

Otherwise ANet is failing a good number of players by catering to the specific set of hardcore raiders, like every other MMO on the market.

Raincrow.1840:

I just hope that over time they will add more ways to gain equal level gear (WvW, Crafting, PvP, solo options, etc.) so the people who asked for dungeon based end game can do them, and the rest of us can do something else.

Otherwise ANet is failing a good number of players by catering to the specific set of hardcore raiders, like every other MMO on the market.

They already said they would. But don’t expects crafting, events or WvW routes to be any faster than farming the dungeon.

As far as I read the dev post, the game will save your level so you don’t need do to this in one run. So just increase the level whenever you feel like it and come back later to continue on a higher level.

Darkk.3018:

Jabberwock.9014:

Yes, but if its only an increase of 5 per run it’s still insanity. Not to mention you have to have uninterrupted access to the game for hours on end in order to get up high enough to make more than jack-squat.

You’re raging prematurely and ignorantly. Firstly, you haven’t done all levels of the Fractals to know how it scales, and secondly, why do you need “uninterrupted access to the game for hours”? The game will remember your progress so you can leave and come back to do a fractal of the same level (as long as everyone else is at or higher than that level)

Wait so the game remembers what run you are on? I thought it didn’t. Since my group left after the first run and I exited the dungeon, can I now go back and do the second run or will it restart at difficulty 1?

I’m finding it funny and ironic that the acronym for it is “FOTM” which also stands for “flavor of the month”..

Broken Angel.4956:

It doesnt reset if you stop the run does it?

No it doesn’t. Your highest difficulty reached is saved to your character and when you next enter you can choose from any of the difficulties up to that one (as long as everyone else in your party also have access to it).

I tried few rounds and it was really fun.
Do you know what does “grinding” means in the first place?
Grinding = Repetitive same place 1000×. This dungeon is not.
It gives a random map each time from the set of the many. It’s a very good content.

Ah ok, I guess I was a bit hasty in my judgement. I was under the impression you had to start from level 1 every time. Is a difficulty permanently unlocked upon reaching it? And do you get a superboss every other run no matter what?

Still could end up a ridiculous grind, but I’ll reserve judgement for at least the time being.

Jabberwock.9014:

Ah ok, I guess I was a bit hasty in my judgement. I was under the impression you had to start from level 1 every time. Is a difficulty permanently unlocked upon reaching it? And do you get a superboss every other run no matter what?

Still could end up a ridiculous grind, but I’ll reserve judgement for at least the time being.

It’s people like you spreading false information that hurts everyone.

Einsof.1457:

Jabberwock.9014:

Ah ok, I guess I was a bit hasty in my judgement. I was under the impression you had to start from level 1 every time. Is a difficulty permanently unlocked upon reaching it? And do you get a superboss every other run no matter what?

Still could end up a ridiculous grind, but I’ll reserve judgement for at least the time being.

It’s people like you spreading false information that hurts everyone.

I agree with the last line false information, currently on phase 4, and got already big big drops out of it and my party too. Really good design on instances too, loving to see how it gets harder and more rewarding.

Yeah as it goes up the reward increases so it’s not really that much of a grind. I really enjoy this new dungeon so far…

Agreed, I was hasty in creating topic. Although to be fair half of the purpose of it was to find out from others if it gets better (and apparently it does).

Mod can delete this topic.

Madness?

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FRACTALS!