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Posted by: Handin.4032

Handin.4032

PSA: The Dolyak parade will be in TCBL in one and a half hours (7 PM server time)

the parade that never was?

We held the parade, it was just small. A lot of TC people got stuck in queues.

TC Golden Dolyak – [DOLY]
Mesmer – FURY
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Posted by: Hydrobutter.9172

Hydrobutter.9172

I don’t know what TC group we wiped in lord’s room in that tower, on mag BL, tonight but it was a ton of fun. Good fight guys.

Radio
Co-Guildleader: Wobbly Cat Squad [WCS]

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Posted by: dreztina.4820

dreztina.4820

We held the parade, it was just small. A lot of TC people got stuck in queues.

I can’t tell if this is subtle cleverness or blatant appropriateness.

Out of Attunement – D/D Ele
Maguuma

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Posted by: Writetyper.1985

Writetyper.1985

Really? Perplexity, p/d, thieves guild thief in a 1v1? Could you possibly have any less faith in your own skill?

I swear, maguuma is the worst server to solo roam against. Barely anybody is willing to fight on their own merit and most of the ones that do hide behind perplexity.

kitten , I lost a duel? Better blame it on Perplexity! Not me at all!

Perplexity isn’t that great. The only build I’d argue it’s OP on is Engineer as they don’t actually sacrifice anything out of their regular build to get the huge confusion damage. If it’s a warrior or thief running Perplexity – guess what, they have to use kittenty condition weapons or kittenty physical weapons with their interrupts as opposed to good old pistol/shield for perplex procs – meaning outside of the perplex procs, they’re barely doing any damage. I’ve won several duels against players using perplex thieves (S/P AND p/d variants) who I know are very talented (If you’re reading this, you know who you are) using some simple kittening steps – cool down for a moment, stop spamming skills so that all he has to do for a perplex proc is interrupt at any time, clear your condis, and kill the guy relying on a single gimmick. It’s quite simple.

Mortryde/Cold/Thugmentalist Bara
really bad engineer

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Posted by: Tricare.2946

Tricare.2946

This is for that special person out there on TC……

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Posted by: Sam Halleck.3156

Sam Halleck.3156

Really? Perplexity, p/d, thieves guild thief in a 1v1? Could you possibly have any less faith in your own skill?

I swear, maguuma is the worst server to solo roam against. Barely anybody is willing to fight on their own merit and most of the ones that do hide behind perplexity.

This post is funny because TC/SoS never solo roam.

Sam Halleck – Maguuma
Guild: [iLL] Illusion
Male Sylvari Thief

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Posted by: Entioch.6594

Entioch.6594

Really? Perplexity, p/d, thieves guild thief in a 1v1? Could you possibly have any less faith in your own skill?

I swear, maguuma is the worst server to solo roam against. Barely anybody is willing to fight on their own merit and most of the ones that do hide behind perplexity.

kitten , I lost a duel? Better blame it on Perplexity! Not me at all!

Perplexity isn’t that great. The only build I’d argue it’s OP on is Engineer as they don’t actually sacrifice anything out of their regular build to get the huge confusion damage. If it’s a warrior or thief running Perplexity – guess what, they have to use kittenty condition weapons or kittenty physical weapons with their interrupts as opposed to good old pistol/shield for perplex procs – meaning outside of the perplex procs, they’re barely doing any damage. I’ve won several duels against players using perplex thieves (S/P AND p/d variants) who I know are very talented (If you’re reading this, you know who you are) using some simple kittening steps – cool down for a moment, stop spamming skills so that all he has to do for a perplex proc is interrupt at any time, clear your condis, and kill the guy relying on a single gimmick. It’s quite simple.

I would say it can be “better than intended” on a condi mesmer as well, but tanky condi mesmer is a pretty easy-cheese spec regardless, perplexity or not, so it doesn’t really matter.

Hidden Sin[ONI]
ERP guild looking for members.

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Posted by: Azure Prower.8701

Azure Prower.8701

Really? Perplexity, p/d, thieves guild thief in a 1v1? Could you possibly have any less faith in your own skill?

I swear, maguuma is the worst server to solo roam against. Barely anybody is willing to fight on their own merit and most of the ones that do hide behind perplexity.

This post is funny because TC/SoS never solo roam.

SoS non-perplexity solo roam thief reporting in.

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Posted by: gvaughn.4163

gvaughn.4163

I solo roam on my mesmer. I can’t say I’m any good, but I do it.

HoD

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Posted by: ghtchill.7613

ghtchill.7613

I solo roam on my mesmer. I can’t say I’m any good, but I do it.

Honestly? Why? Serious questions…

TC

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Posted by: electriette.8952

electriette.8952

normally if you want to improve on roaming, you have to keep on roaming. so maybe the person wants to improve? ._.

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Posted by: Hexin.5603

Hexin.5603

I don’t know what TC group we wiped in lord’s room in that tower, on mag BL, tonight but it was a ton of fun. Good fight guys.

Well Mag BL seems to be one of the hotspots tonight. EXS, STUN, Agg, iLL TyE … I can see here … we’ve all had some great encounters

Win some, lose some … and I think Pyro entered here now apparently. Seemed never ending amount of guys in that fight under hills.

Agg though, looks large – I sense a 3 way if this keeps up … better bring protection

X [STUN]

Willing to pay for boxed expansion if you put legit GvG in the box $$

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Posted by: Writetyper.1985

Writetyper.1985

I solo roam on my mesmer. I can’t say I’m any good, but I do it.

Honestly? Why? Serious questions…

F-for fun? Hurrrr

Mortryde/Cold/Thugmentalist Bara
really bad engineer

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Posted by: Player Character.9467

Player Character.9467

I solo roam on my mesmer. I can’t say I’m any good, but I do it.

Honestly? Why? Serious questions…

because standing in skill lag blob spamming guardian staff 1 isn’t fun?

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Posted by: ghtchill.7613

ghtchill.7613

I solo roam on my mesmer. I can’t say I’m any good, but I do it.

Honestly? Why? Serious questions…

because standing in skill lag blob spamming guardian staff 1 isn’t fun?

So you’ve played Guardian a lot in WvW? If you have, you’re doing it wrong. But that’s not the point, just deflecting the question. I can understand that some people find it fun to go about solo. However I read a lot of posts in match up threads by solo roamers complaining that there either isn’t enough solo roamers or the opposing roamers aren’t any good. I’m just trying to figure out what the point is? Honestly. The Guardian you refer to does something for his/her team, in a game that is specifically designed for team play.

I don’t get the solo roaming mindset, within the WvW game context. Just sayin…

TC

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Posted by: Player Character.9467

Player Character.9467

I solo roam on my mesmer. I can’t say I’m any good, but I do it.

Honestly? Why? Serious questions…

because standing in skill lag blob spamming guardian staff 1 isn’t fun?

So you’ve played Guardian a lot in WvW? If you have, you’re doing it wrong. But that’s not the point, just deflecting the question. I can understand that some people find it fun to go about solo. However I read a lot of posts in match up threads by solo roamers complaining that there either isn’t enough solo roamers or the opposing roamers aren’t any good. I’m just trying to figure out what the point is? Honestly. The Guardian you refer to does something for his/her team, in a game that is specifically designed for team play.

I don’t get the solo roaming mindset, within the WvW game context. Just sayin…

When there’s skill lag you can’t reliably get anything else off. Your auto triggers by itself because the server will keep it pumping. Guardian staff is picked as an example because it’s an easy lawn mower.

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Posted by: Dr Acula.3496

Dr Acula.3496

I solo roam on my mesmer. I can’t say I’m any good, but I do it.

Honestly? Why? Serious questions…

because standing in skill lag blob spamming guardian staff 1 isn’t fun?

So you’ve played Guardian a lot in WvW? If you have, you’re doing it wrong. But that’s not the point, just deflecting the question. I can understand that some people find it fun to go about solo. However I read a lot of posts in match up threads by solo roamers complaining that there either isn’t enough solo roamers or the opposing roamers aren’t any good. I’m just trying to figure out what the point is? Honestly. The Guardian you refer to does something for his/her team, in a game that is specifically designed for team play.

I don’t get the solo roaming mindset, within the WvW game context. Just sayin…

There are never enough solo roamers. The opposing servers solo roamers are always bad. The enemy servers are always hiding in towers. All the opposing servers ever do is blob. Every enemy is running a cheesey perplexity build. Guild ‘X’ wont fight with anything less than double our numbers. Etc etc etc. Based on WvW matchup threads thats apparently just the way of the world….vs world.

Depressed Unicorns – Necro [Agg]

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Posted by: ukuni.8745

ukuni.8745

Really? Perplexity, p/d, thieves guild thief in a 1v1? Could you possibly have any less faith in your own skill?

I swear, maguuma is the worst server to solo roam against. Barely anybody is willing to fight on their own merit and most of the ones that do hide behind perplexity.

This post is funny because TC/SoS never solo roam.

they do solo roam but ive only came across those passive stun spamming warrior’s that can run away from any fight

Still Winning And Grinning (Swag)
Ukune – Engineer of Maguuma
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Posted by: Comprissent.3856

Comprissent.3856

At least we now know SoS can’t beat mag when they can’t put up +695 on us all week long OCX

GM – [Ark]ham

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Posted by: gvaughn.4163

gvaughn.4163

I solo roam on my mesmer. I can’t say I’m any good, but I do it.

Honestly? Why? Serious questions…

because standing in skill lag blob spamming guardian staff 1 isn’t fun?

So you’ve played Guardian a lot in WvW? If you have, you’re doing it wrong. But that’s not the point, just deflecting the question. I can understand that some people find it fun to go about solo. However I read a lot of posts in match up threads by solo roamers complaining that there either isn’t enough solo roamers or the opposing roamers aren’t any good. I’m just trying to figure out what the point is? Honestly. The Guardian you refer to does something for his/her team, in a game that is specifically designed for team play.

I don’t get the solo roaming mindset, within the WvW game context. Just sayin…

I like just listening to music and rolling solo sometimes. You can find some decent 1/1 and 2/1s. I can scout and pass info to the map. I mean, I also enjoy going out in small groups sometimes. I like open field skirmishes and tower defense as well. Rolling with a big zerg isn’t a play style that appeals to me, but if there’s one in the area about to take something I’ll join in. I know it’s more efficient, but constantly running from here to there on a map in a big ball doesn’t hold my attention for very long.

HoD

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Posted by: Zephyrus.9680

Zephyrus.9680

OCX time is a lot more fun when there’s two giants busy fighting each other. I’m surprised how well our EB keep has held considering the usual lack of organization there.

Zefyres – Ele | Maguuma | (ex) top100 solo/teamQ casual | Youtube

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Posted by: Dane.3948

Dane.3948

I laughed pretty hard when I saw this and so did everyone else in our mumble channel. This is why I love Maguuma <3.

hey that’s my guild

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Posted by: kraftie.4765

kraftie.4765

At least we now know SoS can’t beat mag when they can’t put up +695 on us all week long OCX

Pretty sure we’re against TC also, not just Mag.

Try again.

[Envy]
Sanctum of Rall

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Posted by: Fomby.4295

Fomby.4295

At least we now know SoS can’t beat mag when they can’t put up +695 on us all week long OCX

Pretty sure we’re against TC also, not just Mag.

Try again.

At least we know that SoS can’t beat Mag when they can’t put up a +695 ppt durning oceanic times due to TC also having a night presence.

Did I fix it?

Maguuma [PYRO]
Kal Snow – Norn Guardian

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Posted by: fishball.7204

fishball.7204

Congrats to Mags on beating SoS this week. Not gonna be bitter about it.. you guys did really well and earned it :P

Hopefully both of us get more fun fights the following weeks even if it’s against blobs of Tier 1.

Of course, we’ll look forward for the ‘rematch’ in 6 weeks

FOR THE GREEEEEEEEEEEEN

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Posted by: Mitsubishi Eclipsed.6732

Mitsubishi Eclipsed.6732

Was good fights this week will be happy to see you guys again in six weeks. I already miss EP. You guys will be missed…

R O A R|Weezy|Drïzzy|Drama Llama|Mitsubishi Eclipsed|Swaglock Miststone
Member of Flock Of Smeagols [FoS]
Tarnished Coast

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Posted by: lollasaurus.1457

lollasaurus.1457

I solo roam on my mesmer. I can’t say I’m any good, but I do it.

Honestly? Why? Serious questions…

because standing in skill lag blob spamming guardian staff 1 isn’t fun?

So you’ve played Guardian a lot in WvW? If you have, you’re doing it wrong. But that’s not the point, just deflecting the question. I can understand that some people find it fun to go about solo. However I read a lot of posts in match up threads by solo roamers complaining that there either isn’t enough solo roamers or the opposing roamers aren’t any good. I’m just trying to figure out what the point is? Honestly. The Guardian you refer to does something for his/her team, in a game that is specifically designed for team play.

I don’t get the solo roaming mindset, within the WvW game context. Just sayin…

There are never enough solo roamers. The opposing servers solo roamers are always bad. The enemy servers are always hiding in towers. All the opposing servers ever do is blob. Every enemy is running a cheesey perplexity build. Guild ‘X’ wont fight with anything less than double our numbers. Etc etc etc. Based on WvW matchup threads thats apparently just the way of the world….vs world.

People don’t solo roam anymore because solo roaming = fight cheesey gimmick builds or play a cheese build now a days. Might as well play sPvP, its more efficient.

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Posted by: Argis.7049

Argis.7049

Arkham [Ark] vs Aggression [Agg] best of 7 guild vs guild

Was awesome to finally fight you guys. Great fights and I hope to have more.

Myrmidon Elite [ME] – Arkham [Ark] – Maguuma
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Posted by: x per fection x.2096

x per fection x.2096

Necro Pov – http://youtu.be/JFUbZjTyFNY

Glad we could pull 20 people together to give you guys a 20v20. Look forward to a rematch soon.

[Ark]Noober

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Posted by: Dopie.5130

Dopie.5130

How did I end up commanding for the first time in months against EP AND KH?! hate you guys for leaving but everyone has their reasons. SMC 3 way was kinda fun tonight!!

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Posted by: eksn.7264

eksn.7264

Let’s get a nice and friendly karmatrain going today shall we.

Noz

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Posted by: wads.5730

wads.5730

Arkham [Ark] vs Aggression [Agg] best of 7 guild vs guild

Was awesome to finally fight you guys. Great fights and I hope to have more.

lots of butt clenching in some of those rounds, any agg pov videos available?

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Posted by: ghtchill.7613

ghtchill.7613

I solo roam on my mesmer. I can’t say I’m any good, but I do it.

Honestly? Why? Serious questions…

because standing in skill lag blob spamming guardian staff 1 isn’t fun?

So you’ve played Guardian a lot in WvW? If you have, you’re doing it wrong. But that’s not the point, just deflecting the question. I can understand that some people find it fun to go about solo. However I read a lot of posts in match up threads by solo roamers complaining that there either isn’t enough solo roamers or the opposing roamers aren’t any good. I’m just trying to figure out what the point is? Honestly. The Guardian you refer to does something for his/her team, in a game that is specifically designed for team play.

I don’t get the solo roaming mindset, within the WvW game context. Just sayin…

I like just listening to music and rolling solo sometimes. You can find some decent 1/1 and 2/1s. I can scout and pass info to the map. I mean, I also enjoy going out in small groups sometimes. I like open field skirmishes and tower defense as well. Rolling with a big zerg isn’t a play style that appeals to me, but if there’s one in the area about to take something I’ll join in. I know it’s more efficient, but constantly running from here to there on a map in a big ball doesn’t hold my attention for very long.

Fair enough. Scouting is fine and needed, so are small groups. I like small groups, or “havoc” groups, as well, particularly when on my Ranger. I was referring to the solo roamers who are just interested in finding 1v1 or 1v2, etc. Thanks for discussing.

TC

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Posted by: ghtchill.7613

ghtchill.7613

How did I end up commanding for the first time in months against EP AND KH?! hate you guys for leaving but everyone has their reasons. SMC 3 way was kinda fun tonight!!

Where did KH go? I didn’t know they left as well.

TC

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Posted by: grave of hearts.7830

grave of hearts.7830

Let’s get a nice and friendly karmatrain going today shall we.

Karma trains became mandatory now?
If you plan to sell our towers,do inform the defenders first so they wont put upgrades siege on them.
Thank you very much.

SoS Defence and Emergency commander
If you see a gear above my head……run
If you see me Offline,its totaly not a trap

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Posted by: Evalana.5480

Evalana.5480

How did I end up commanding for the first time in months against EP AND KH?! hate you guys for leaving but everyone has their reasons. SMC 3 way was kinda fun tonight!!

Where did KH go? I didn’t know they left as well.

KH came to the dark side (Mag)

Indecisive Eva – Maguuma – [GS] Gun Squad
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Apply today at: http://tinyurl.com/gunsquad

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Posted by: deathTouch.9706

deathTouch.9706

Is running a perplexity build a requirement for entry into GF?

V deathTouch V – Warrior
STD [Scarlet Gave Me Harpies]
Maguuma

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Posted by: kartek.6428

kartek.6428

Is running a perplexity build a requirement for entry into GF?

or prismatic understanding zerker phantasm mesmer hahahruaheuahsurhauaheuahaue

Kyra – Stormbluff Isle – [Agg] – Mesmer

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Posted by: capmasterflash.5690

capmasterflash.5690

To the purple-haired thief from [AZN], watch yourself. There will come a day when none of you teammates are around to bail you out, and I will have my vengeance for /laugh-ing at me. Also, it doesn’t make sense to /laugh when you beat someone who is outnumbered.

[MU]- my name is red
Asura Thief/Ele
HoD

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Posted by: Chris.3290

Chris.3290

Let’s get a nice and friendly karmatrain going today shall we.

Karma trains became mandatory now?
If you plan to sell our towers,do inform the defenders first so they wont put upgrades siege on them.
Thank you very much.

It’s Friday and I think we can all agree that we want the three servers in this matchup to do as much damage as possible against their opponent(s) in the following matchup.

Plus, I don’t think it has to be said, but we plan on going after JQ with everything. We can’t control our militia or PvE commanders, but we’re pretty much in agreement that SoS and Maguuma can wait until the season is over to resume heavy hostilities.

In other words, pretty much what we’ve done the latter half of this week in NA.

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Posted by: Hexin.5603

Hexin.5603

How did I end up commanding for the first time in months against EP AND KH?! hate you guys for leaving but everyone has their reasons. SMC 3 way was kinda fun tonight!!

Where did KH go? I didn’t know they left as well.

KH came to the dark side (Mag)

Take care of them – they did a lot for us, and we appreciated it. It was fun rolling with them late night.

~ X

/efficient karma training = 3 mesmers (one mag/ one tc/ one sos) all party up and sit in keep together, at intervals port team in …

or just the norm – bang bang bang cap – leave banner, merch and food and move on.. (fast enough so other teams can get buffs too)

Willing to pay for boxed expansion if you put legit GvG in the box $$

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Posted by: Chris.3290

Chris.3290

KH and EP gone over to the other T2 servers.

If they decided to stay things could get really interesting in the future.

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Posted by: shagworth.5017

shagworth.5017

To the purple-haired thief from [AZN], watch yourself. There will come a day when none of you teammates are around to bail you out, and I will have my vengeance for /laugh-ing at me. *Also, it doesn’t make sense to /laugh when you beat someone who is outnumbered. *

well, it got under your skin enough for you to come here and post about, so I would say mission accomplished.

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Posted by: style.6173

style.6173

Really? Perplexity, p/d, thieves guild thief in a 1v1? Could you possibly have any less faith in your own skill?

I swear, maguuma is the worst server to solo roam against. Barely anybody is willing to fight on their own merit and most of the ones that do hide behind perplexity.

This post is funny because TC/SoS never solo roam.

Its fairy rare on all 3 servers unfortunately. When I solo roam, I tend to run into small groups a lot.

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Posted by: style.6173

style.6173

KH and EP gone over to the other T2 servers.

If they decided to stay things could get really interesting in the future.

Both guilds are really talented, but neither are big enough to sway the 4-6 rankings. EP+Agg does give SoS a NA presence though.

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Posted by: style.6173

style.6173

Was good fights this week will be happy to see you guys again in six weeks. I already miss EP. You guys will be missed…

Your signature made me lol.

“EP left TC for SoS? – Me
Yea cuz we hurt their feelings – Map chat”

I think in general though it is more that people are getting tired of queues.

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Posted by: Chris.3290

Chris.3290

“EP left TC for SoS? – Me
Yea cuz we hurt their feelings – Map chat”

I think in general though it is more that people are getting tired of queues.

All it takes is something like those queues to make people who are already annoyed pack up.
With BG winning this first week, it’s been proven that the gap between TC and T1 is only getting larger, so there is a question about why TC exists as the way it is now.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d rather see SoS and Mag grow to meet TC without taking away from TC (preferably as T1 de-stacks); but it will be better for the three of us in the future if we have more even matchups.

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Posted by: Uncle Shags.9017

Uncle Shags.9017

To the purple-haired thief from [AZN], watch yourself. There will come a day when none of you teammates are around to bail you out, and I will have my vengeance for /laugh-ing at me. Also, it doesn’t make sense to /laugh when you beat someone who is outnumbered.

Take solace in the fact that his main pleasure in life comes from purposely irritating others in a video game. You can imagine what a wretched life that must be.

Uncle Shags: The Barely Competent

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Posted by: Caroline.4987

Caroline.4987

At least we now know SoS can’t beat mag when they can’t put up +695 on us all week long OCX

Pretty sure we’re against TC also, not just Mag.

Try again.

At least we know that SoS can’t beat Mag when they can’t put up a +695 ppt durning oceanic times due to TC also having a night presence.

Did I fix it?

Eh, I think you won’t need us to be there from here on out. As long as [KH] stays in Maguuma, SoS will never +695 Oceanic on you again anyways. Nor will any other server, really. =P

Take care of them. =3 We’ll miss those buttkickers dearly.

Brynnhylde – Norn Warrior, Jehanette – Human Guardian, Shaelynne – Human Engineer
TrZ | Stormbluff Isle

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Posted by: Asudementio.8526

Asudementio.8526

“EP left TC for SoS? – Me
Yea cuz we hurt their feelings – Map chat”

I think in general though it is more that people are getting tired of queues.

All it takes is something like those queues to make people who are already annoyed pack up.
With BG winning this first week, it’s been proven that the gap between TC and T1 is only getting larger, so there is a question about why TC exists as the way it is now.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d rather see SoS and Mag grow to meet TC without taking away from TC (preferably as T1 de-stacks); but it will be better for the three of us in the future if we have more even matchups.

Question is when the undedicated achievement farmers go to kessex hills how will WvWers who have changed servers and have taken a break affect the state of the game. this could very well guarantee that T1 will never be displaced, at least for the foreseeable future. which imo is a terrible thing.

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