Guild Wars 2

Jinks.2057:

dreztina.4820:

Sil.4560:

I’m afraid that doesn’t mean anything to me aside from the fact that the name is in his signature.

It means about the only time I lose is when there is a massive class imbalance.

I don’t remember that.

And I remember you winning about two fights and reading far too much into it.

dreztina.4820:

Jinks.2057:

dreztina.4820:

Sil.4560:

I’m afraid that doesn’t mean anything to me aside from the fact that the name is in his signature.

It means about the only time I lose is when there is a massive class imbalance.

I don’t remember that.

And I remember you winning about two fights and reading far too much into it.

I’m depressed you took that bait w/ no effort on my part

I miss u

dreztina.4820:

Sil.4560:

I’m afraid that doesn’t mean anything to me aside from the fact that the name is in his signature.

It means about the only time I lose is when there is a massive class imbalance.

So you’re…what, arrogant? Am I supposed to be impressed by this boasting or something?

Sil.4560:

dreztina.4820:

Sil.4560:

I’m afraid that doesn’t mean anything to me aside from the fact that the name is in his signature.

It means about the only time I lose is when there is a massive class imbalance.

So you’re…what, arrogant? Am I supposed to be impressed by this boasting or something?

Boasting? I answered your question…

Uh huh. I don’t have time for this.

Sil.4560:

Uh huh. I don’t have time for this.

keep posting about it

Sil.4560:

Uh huh. I don’t have time for this.

You don’t seem to be particularly busy.

Edit: Lol. Posts saying he doesn’t have time → logs into game to complain instead.

gl everyone in your next matchup.

To the warrior in GF, I hope you don’t think you won that fight heh. Even with the guardian disabling me into your combos, I was perfectly fine until anet decided it’d be cool if when I got knocked down, it never ended, and popping stability did nothing, so I had to lay there unable to do anything until dead.

Comprissent.3856:

Great fights GF. I’m glad the matched turned out like it did, gives us a lot to work for

From the Eyes of BP.. cause I was bored:

Lol @ GF going to fight club in full stacks and guard stacks… and then losing their first fight.

Player Character.9467:

Lol @ GF going to fight club in full stacks and guard stacks… and then losing their first fight.

Every GF member has put in many many hours (some of them hundreds of hours) at fight club, none of them are dumb enough to think you fight at a FC with stacks. Are you sure you didn’t simply witness a GF member removing his stacks to participate?

What’s this sudden hatred of stacks, anyway? I had someone party me the other night and start berating me for roaming with them up. Yes, I’ve killed 25 people just like you and some guards when I hit camps. Problem?

Sil.4560:

What’s this sudden hatred of stacks, anyway? I had someone party me the other night and start berating me for roaming with them up. Yes, I’ve killed 25 people just like you and some guards when I hit camps. Problem?

sounds like someones mad that you killed them, regardless of stacks or not. stacks are aok for roaming, just not fc’s

Sil.4560:

What’s this sudden hatred of stacks, anyway? I had someone party me the other night and start berating me for roaming with them up. Yes, I’ve killed 25 people just like you and some guards when I hit camps. Problem?

TIL fightclub is roaming not duels.

dreztina.4820:

To the warrior in GF, I hope you don’t think you won that fight heh. Even with the guardian disabling me into your combos, I was perfectly fine until anet decided it’d be cool if when I got knocked down, it never ended, and popping stability did nothing, so I had to lay there unable to do anything until dead.

You seem pretty upset that I killed you. Maybe you should spend less time on the forum and more time in WvW.

Oozo.7856:

Niim.9260:

Boonprot.6274:

The reason why groups stack is to reach the AoE cap and reduce damage. It’s also important to do mid-fight to “reset” the fight. What I mean by this, is that the regrouping allows everyone to heal up to full HP via water field blasts and gain almost full stacks of might via empower. In a sense, it returns your party to the condition it was in before the fight even started.

Regardless of it’s many benefits, stacking makes for boring meta, it is greatly over used, often at the expense of momentum and positioning, and in my opinion is used more as a crutch for bad positioning and movement, than its tactical advantages.

Lastly, people need to understand that there is a very big difference between a hammer train and a balanced comp. The fact that 4 warriors use hammers in a 15-man comp doesn’t make it a hammer train. Not even close, to be honest.

So over 26% of the group is using hammers, but that isn’t a hammer train? Where is the magical cut off, 80%? You are taking the term too literally anyway, it is more about the heavy defense ball formation with hammers, at 4 I would argue the number of hammers is irrelevant as far as the label goes.

Also, note that he was not counting hammer guardians.

100% agreed with your last few posts on the current meta.

Well over 50% of the comp uses staves…so why don’t we call it a staff train instead of a hammer train? Also would like to point out that GF was running about as much of a hammer train as Ark in the GvG.

Argis.7049:

Oozo.7856:

Niim.9260:

Boonprot.6274:

The reason why groups stack is to reach the AoE cap and reduce damage. It’s also important to do mid-fight to “reset” the fight. What I mean by this, is that the regrouping allows everyone to heal up to full HP via water field blasts and gain almost full stacks of might via empower. In a sense, it returns your party to the condition it was in before the fight even started.

Regardless of it’s many benefits, stacking makes for boring meta, it is greatly over used, often at the expense of momentum and positioning, and in my opinion is used more as a crutch for bad positioning and movement, than its tactical advantages.

Lastly, people need to understand that there is a very big difference between a hammer train and a balanced comp. The fact that 4 warriors use hammers in a 15-man comp doesn’t make it a hammer train. Not even close, to be honest.

So over 26% of the group is using hammers, but that isn’t a hammer train? Where is the magical cut off, 80%? You are taking the term too literally anyway, it is more about the heavy defense ball formation with hammers, at 4 I would argue the number of hammers is irrelevant as far as the label goes.

Also, note that he was not counting hammer guardians.

100% agreed with your last few posts on the current meta.

Well over 50% of the comp uses staves…so why don’t we call it a staff train instead of a hammer train? Also would like to point out that GF was running about as much of a hammer train as Ark in the GvG.

You don’t train people down with staves. :P

Also, the criticism isn’t directed at [Ark]. You seem to run the hammer/staff group very well. It’s directed more at the game mechanics that rewards stacking up but doesn’t punish it. It’s another example of how Anet fails to understand risk vs. reward. Anything with a huge upside should potentially have a huge downside, and it should be up to the enemy player to recognize and exploit that. .

In older MMOs training meant focusing someone down via single target damage and CC chains. This required good awareness, management of your cooldowns, and target swapping. You call target on enemy players based upon the threat of their class, their health level, whether they are out of position, whether they have used their defensive cooldowns, their heal, etc. In this game it just means spamming your AoEs on top of your targeted driver as he moves into a clump of enemy players.

I think Niim made a really good observation in the two different styles of open field fights in the game right now. There are fights where you are using your target on enemy players and fights where you are using your target on a friendly player. I prefer fights where the target is being used on enemy players because I think that style of play requires more individual skill and is more fun (for me, personally – of course).

I can see where others might find the other style more fun.

The meta on GvG has shifted oozo. You will always have some form of stacking due the combo field mechanics but if you watch how Agg/Ark have lost the fights you will see it.

As for stacking up to kill zergs….that won’t be changing. Hammer trains will also stay prevalent due to them including tankier classes. Remember your going balls deep against 4-1 odds

Typically, we kite and spread out against such groups so they don’t have a “clump” of players to train into with aoe cc/dmg which gives the driver no obvious target to go after. That can work if you are in a wide open field, but not if the hammer/staff stackers have any kind of choke available to them.

And, I’m talking about fighting these types of groups when we have less numbers than them. Not the other way around.

kartek.6428:

Aeros.2046:

Sil.4560:

Played a little tonight. Remembered why I hadn’t all week – there is nothing impressive out there. Some group from BP – Borlis Savers guild – actually sat on a wall for ten solid minutes and refused a duel. Other players are downright disappointing.

We don’t teach our people to duel. In fact, exactly the opposite, I tell them to not chase random people at all in WvW. That is not to say we don’t have members that don’t look for these kinds of fights, but as an organized group we prioritize taking and holding towers over random fighting.

how much do you love siege on a scale of 1-10

11. Because it works. If you hate taking arrow carts to the face, then WvW is not for you. I am absolutely unashamed at utilizing whatever the game gives me to win. If you want to be l33t and not use certain game mechanics, by all means. Different strokes and all that.

Aeros.2046:

11. Because it works. If you hate taking arrow carts to the face, then WvW is not for you. I am absolutely unashamed at utilizing whatever the game gives me to win. If you want to be l33t and not use certain game mechanics, by all means. Different strokes and all that.

thats the key there isnt it. what does it really mean to win in wvw? (rhetorical)

Gorefiend.9675:

For your entertainment, GF vs Ark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvLJpV7Baig

I just saw Pendulum live – they rock!

Jinks.2057:

As for stacking up to kill zergs….that won’t be changing. Hammer trains will also stay prevalent due to them including tankier classes. Remember your going balls deep against 4-1 odds

The only reason stacking up to kill zergs works is because you are a zerg yourself.

Cyrtech.5372:

You seem pretty upset that I killed you. Maybe you should spend less time on the forum and more time in WvW.

Actually, anet killed me. You just got the assist.

3 or 4 times to take that east keep BP ?
Zerg dogs WOOF WOOF

Good fights last night VOID.

Apparently I was a bit too honest in my earlier post about trends in certain Maguuma guild’s behaviors. I think someone’s feelings got hurt and I got reported. Awwww, how cute – Rustled Jimmies! So sorry.

But have no fear! I know Pyro and Swag enjoy watching themselves, so just for them I’m reposting the video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNlvdV-7CI4

Jinks.2057:

Gorefiend.9675:

Easily the toughest fight we have had so far. Fantastic job Ark.

Translation: For kittens you did well

lol Seriously, almost choked.

Jinks.2057:

The meta on GvG has shifted oozo. You will always have some form of stacking due the combo field mechanics but if you watch how Agg/Ark have lost the fights you will see it.

As for stacking up to kill zergs….that won’t be changing. Hammer trains will also stay prevalent due to them including tankier classes. Remember your going balls deep against 4-1 odds

Kind of. I’m certain we could have taken a couple more rounds off of GF, but we had some l2p issues and miscommunication about builds and their role in our team comp. We’ve talked about them in-guild and are currently fixing them so we can hopefully win the next time we fight GF

Also, Ark and GF run more balanced comps, whereas Agg was traditionally more frontline-heavy. Meta is shifting more towards balanced comps, as it should, so I’m sure you’ll see a lot of diversity soon enough. That is, if GvG isn’t utterly neutered thanks to the AC fanboys we have creating our content.

Also mad props to Jinks – he really stepped it up.

Aeros.2046:

kartek.6428:

Aeros.2046:

Sil.4560:

Played a little tonight. Remembered why I hadn’t all week – there is nothing impressive out there. Some group from BP – Borlis Savers guild – actually sat on a wall for ten solid minutes and refused a duel. Other players are downright disappointing.

We don’t teach our people to duel. In fact, exactly the opposite, I tell them to not chase random people at all in WvW. That is not to say we don’t have members that don’t look for these kinds of fights, but as an organized group we prioritize taking and holding towers over random fighting.

how much do you love siege on a scale of 1-10

11. Because it works. If you hate taking arrow carts to the face, then WvW is not for you. I am absolutely unashamed at utilizing whatever the game gives me to win. If you want to be l33t and not use certain game mechanics, by all means. Different strokes and all that.

devon carver’s poster child

saiyr.3071:

Aeros.2046:

kartek.6428:

Aeros.2046:

Sil.4560:

Played a little tonight. Remembered why I hadn’t all week – there is nothing impressive out there. Some group from BP – Borlis Savers guild – actually sat on a wall for ten solid minutes and refused a duel. Other players are downright disappointing.

We don’t teach our people to duel. In fact, exactly the opposite, I tell them to not chase random people at all in WvW. That is not to say we don’t have members that don’t look for these kinds of fights, but as an organized group we prioritize taking and holding towers over random fighting.

how much do you love siege on a scale of 1-10

11. Because it works. If you hate taking arrow carts to the face, then WvW is not for you. I am absolutely unashamed at utilizing whatever the game gives me to win. If you want to be l33t and not use certain game mechanics, by all means. Different strokes and all that.

devon carver’s poster child

BS guild of the server BP.

Are you surprised?

You play the game you have, not the game you wish you had. If you don’t like it, don’t play it. This idea that we should somehow not use siege, towers, keeps, etc to our maximum advantage is silly. WvW is a game of capture the castle. If you want a game where the goal is to rack up a body count, go play games where that is objective, like call of duty rather then GW2 WvW. I think by now it should be abundantly clear that is was the dev’s vision of WvW is. More to the point, that’s entirely what its been since day 1 and every add on to WvW has been to encourage the dynamic of capture the castle over racking up a kill streak. I’m not going to cry tears into my beer over the lack of 1 on 1 fights and not getting rewards for wiping zergs. I rather enjoy WvW, and in my mind, winning means having the highest score at the end of the week. How you get there is really not important.

Aeros.2046:

You play the game you have, not the game you wish you had. If you don’t like it, don’t play it

No one is telling you not to play the game the way you want.

For god’s sake please sit on ACs all day if that’s what you desire.

Just don’t be shocked when ppl call you out on it and/or laugh at you. Man up about it y’know?

Jinks.2057:

Aeros.2046:

You play the game you have, not the game you wish you had. If you don’t like it, don’t play it

No one is telling you not to play the game the way you want.

For god’s sake please sit on ACs all day if that’s what you desire.

Just don’t be shocked when ppl call you out on it and/or laugh at you. Man up about it y’know?

Anyone who knows my commanding style knows that I rarely hide on walls. I do however love to build an AC ontop of said wall and then jump down to kill the skill group that seems to think they can wipe my forces with said AC up on the wall raining death on them. I think I did this to you a couple weeks ago Jinks :P

Aeros.2046:

Jinks.2057:

Aeros.2046:

You play the game you have, not the game you wish you had. If you don’t like it, don’t play it

No one is telling you not to play the game the way you want.

For god’s sake please sit on ACs all day if that’s what you desire.

Just don’t be shocked when ppl call you out on it and/or laugh at you. Man up about it y’know?

Anyone who knows my commanding style knows that I rarely hide on walls. I do however love to build an AC ontop of said wall and then jump down to kill the skill group that seems to think they can wipe my forces with said AC up on the wall raining death on them. I think I did this to you a couple weeks ago Jinks :P

Lying to increase your forum badarsery when everyone knows you are lying is a /fail in PvF

Man up and except that you sit on ACs all day. Man up when you zerg gets caught in the open you get wiped. Man up that you need 3 or 4 times the numbers to kill your opponents.

Just like we man up and say you win PPT……wait your losing PPT this match

Ah it makes sense now.

Wow… considering the past 10 or so comments on this thread, I truly feel that I am right where I belong. Standing on tower/keep walls is boring, and if you have to throw an AC on a wall while ‘jumping off of the wall’ to fight in ac range with superior numbers against a skill group…. you should uninstall.

Also one more thing. PvDoor is also boring. I am, however, having a blast hitting pvdoorers from behind while they have tunnel vision on that gate at 50%.

Oozo.7856:

It’s directed more at the game mechanics that rewards stacking up but doesn’t punish it. It’s another example of how Anet fails to understand risk vs. reward. Anything with a huge upside should potentially have a huge downside, and it should be up to the enemy player to recognize and exploit that.

In Anet’s game design there is a huge risk in stacking… have you seen what happens to a pug zerg running into a tower with a few superior AC’s? It’s there, they designed it, you can’t really complain that there isn’t a counter to stacking when 10 can defend a structure against 50 if they don’t stand on the walls staring at people. What most people are looking to do is open field fight but Anet has already made it clear that isn’t really their intention with the game type (probably because it makes the servers crap their pants) so yeah, wvw isn’t designed around what we want, doesn’t mean it isn’t designed.

Aeros.2046:

You play the game you have, not the game you wish you had. If you don’t like it, don’t play it. This idea that we should somehow not use siege, towers, keeps, etc to our maximum advantage is silly. WvW is a game of capture the castle. If you want a game where the goal is to rack up a body count, go play games where that is objective, like call of duty rather then GW2 WvW. I think by now it should be abundantly clear that is was the dev’s vision of WvW is. More to the point, that’s entirely what its been since day 1 and every add on to WvW has been to encourage the dynamic of capture the castle over racking up a kill streak. I’m not going to cry tears into my beer over the lack of 1 on 1 fights and not getting rewards for wiping zergs. I rather enjoy WvW, and in my mind, winning means having the highest score at the end of the week. How you get there is really not important.

Yeah playing games purely by objectives inside the game is great decision making!! I feel sorry for you if you really care about winning. Hope you can tank your rating super hard in the next few weeks or you’re going to be losing a lot along with us!!

Evalana.5480:

Wow… considering the past 10 or so comments on this thread, I truly feel that I am right where I belong. Standing on tower/keep walls is boring, and if you have to throw an AC on a wall while ‘jumping off of the wall’ to fight in ac range with superior numbers against a skill group…. you should uninstall.

never leave us~

saiyr.3071:

Aeros.2046:

You play the game you have, not the game you wish you had. If you don’t like it, don’t play it. This idea that we should somehow not use siege, towers, keeps, etc to our maximum advantage is silly. WvW is a game of capture the castle. If you want a game where the goal is to rack up a body count, go play games where that is objective, like call of duty rather then GW2 WvW. I think by now it should be abundantly clear that is was the dev’s vision of WvW is. More to the point, that’s entirely what its been since day 1 and every add on to WvW has been to encourage the dynamic of capture the castle over racking up a kill streak. I’m not going to cry tears into my beer over the lack of 1 on 1 fights and not getting rewards for wiping zergs. I rather enjoy WvW, and in my mind, winning means having the highest score at the end of the week. How you get there is really not important.

Yeah playing games purely by objectives inside the game is great decision making!! I feel sorry for you if you really care about winning. Hope you can tank your rating super hard in the next few weeks or you’re going to be losing a lot along with us!!

Evalana.5480:

Wow… considering the past 10 or so comments on this thread, I truly feel that I am right where I belong. Standing on tower/keep walls is boring, and if you have to throw an AC on a wall while ‘jumping off of the wall’ to fight in ac range with superior numbers against a skill group…. you should uninstall.

never leave us~

I am having too much fun to just up and leave! Everyone I have met on Maguuma have been awesome (sorry if bad English)!! Until you guys become PPT obsessed zombies that hide behind walls filled with siege, I think I’ll stick around

Evalana.5480:

I am having too much fun to just up and leave! Everyone I have met on Maguuma have been awesome (sorry if bad English)!! Until you guys become PPT obsessed zombies that hide behind walls filled with siege, I think I’ll stick around

Hmm, what about other kinds of zombies?

Random BP: I’m trying to win for my server.

I commend anyone for not giving up. But if you have fun trying to win in a horrible unbalanced game like this, I’m going to worry about you at times.

Carry on, you crazy soldiers. With spirit like that, you’ll win the league for sure!

GuardianOMS.8067:

Random BP: I’m trying to win for my server.

I commend anyone for not giving up. But if you have fun trying to win in a horrible unbalanced game like this, I’m going to worry about you at times.

Carry on, you crazy soldiers. With spirit like that, you’ll win the league for sure!

Only with a winning attitude can BP defeat JQ’s SEA zerg

saiyr.3071:

GuardianOMS.8067:

Random BP: I’m trying to win for my server.

I commend anyone for not giving up. But if you have fun trying to win in a horrible unbalanced game like this, I’m going to worry about you at times.

Carry on, you crazy soldiers. With spirit like that, you’ll win the league for sure!

Only with a winning attitude can BP defeat JQ’s SEA zerg + Agg

Jinks.2057:

Just like we man up and say you win PPT……wait your losing PPT this match

Ah it makes sense now.

The 12th ranked team should be losing PPT to the 7th ranked team and the 9th ranked team.

Oh wait, not losing to the 9th ranked team. That doesn’t make sense. Oh, it’s EBay. Ah it makes sense now.

Dio.2394:

Jinks.2057:

Just like we man up and say you win PPT……wait your losing PPT this match

Ah it makes sense now.

The 12th ranked team should be losing PPT to the 7th ranked team and the 9th ranked team.

Oh wait, not losing to the 9th ranked team. That doesn’t make sense. Oh, it’s EBay. Ah it makes sense now.

it’s almost as if rankings have always been volatile and zingers about ranking are meaningless

Making an argument based on ranking is stupid. If you haven’t figured out by now, the Glicko2 implementation anet is using is flawed. Rank means nothing.

For your pleasure, GF’s fight on Thursday against Agg! Staff Ele perspective.

Dio.2394:

Jinks.2057:

Just like we man up and say you win PPT……wait your losing PPT this match

Ah it makes sense now.

The 12th ranked team should be losing PPT to the 7th ranked team and the 9th ranked team.

Oh wait, not losing to the 9th ranked team. That doesn’t make sense. Oh, it’s EBay. Ah it makes sense now.

:shakes head:

When you can out PvF the Mags then I’ll let ya attempt to PvF me again