Guild Wars 2

If anyone wants to GvG (2v2 → 5v5) PM me here or in-game and we can set something up today.

Cheers!

I wonder when SBI will start to admit that they lost because they dont have enough people loyal to the server, to despite the overwhelming odds most of their people just want easy victories and roll over groups with big blob zergs.

Take away the first place, put a heavy and organized fight and SBI is crying in the forums…

GabGar.4962:

I wonder when SBI will start to admit that they lost because they dont have enough people loyal to the server, to despite the overwhelming odds most of their people just want easy victories and roll over groups with big blob zergs.

Take away the first place, put a heavy and organized fight and SBI is crying in the forums…

That’s pretty much the only thing worthwhile in this post.

Cause that’s pretty much the answer to why we lost.

We don’t have enough people… Servers that generally win do.

Whatever.

Results speak for themselves; we didn’t deserve this week, plain and simple. gg Yaks and Ebay.

You know what…enough of this crap about YB being under populated. it’s BS, from this day forward. No more about not being able to field an overwhelming force. that’s BS too. Now what I give props to YB is in siege, they know how to siege up a house. SBI population doesn’t yet… and that’s where you all are killing SBI.. not in open field fights, Lets face it, YB is basic in Open field, SBI is better at it. No biggie, but when it comes to siege fighting, YB has SBI slaughtered, and when it comes to PPT, sieging up a place and keeping it sieged is key. so huge props to YB. The whole is EB and YB 2v1 on SBI…the blatant answer regardless of if many of the guilds or solo’ers on YB knew it or not.. is YES, general rule was EB doesn’t touch YB if engaged with SBI, and EB coordinated the attack against SBI either with knowledge or support from YB or not. What the heck does YB care if EB hills is taken? unless they are going to give it back to EB when they move on, and that happened a lot. So no more denying it, just stop, it was a great strategy. It worked for YB, not quite to EB’s expectation it seems. But you know what, karma is a B$%&h and what goes around comes around, comes with the territory, and it’s going to happen again and again. SBI We really need to educate people on where to place siege and empower people to use the siege that’s placed and to lay down siege when attacking enforced keeps. 60% of the fights we’ve had with YB showed our naivety with siege tactics

Raven.9603:

Oozo, you go out of your way to look for fights where you can be outnumbered and constantly perform well. But now you are on day 6 of being kitten ed off about getting zerged away from a mission critical camp on reset night. smoke a joint or something. Youre acting like that bad experience is the entirity of your matchup. Obviously Qadr is a bad talking smack to provoke. Every servers got plenty of Qadrs.

Our 4 man havok has had both YB and EB call 20+ on us probably once every night this week. It’s because the point we were hitting mattered and the first 5-10 they had sent to fix the problem died. Take it as a compliment that you warranted a large response.

All 3 of the servers in this matchup are terrible and they know it. But we’ve all had some good fights, and arguably the best pvf of the whole season.

kitten please, Yaks Bend is awesome and we know it……psshh terrible. I’ll hear none of it!!

Look, the SBI blobs that people keep complaining about…… lets face it SBI’s easy going default tactic of “safety in numbers” didn’t work, it doesn’t work against shotgun tactics of FA or YB or anything higher and it’s not the people didn’t show up.;. they did. I was there people did show up…people didn’t stay, why because the blob wasn’t working even though we had the numbers and people were too afraid to attack because there was no safe way to do it. We have to come up with a better defensive strategy against the shotgun hits of these servers. we need to be able to identify when they are not working and switch tactics as commanders. now that’s tough, because there are too many different minds and times and idea’s in wvw, but this showed one thing, How committed the wvw community is on SBI. I cant speak for EB or YB. For SBI, the guilds need to step it up get your people geared up and on the basics. TS, should be basic, siege building and refreshing, we should not even still be relying on 3 people to refresh siege in all resources, siege placement and usage, guarding and protecting resources and telling all non grouped up enterees into a bl must sit in a tower for 10mins before they join a zerg. basics. All SBI newbees are “urged” to go through a commander training session. don’t miss them.

Lets extract all we can from our losses!!

Raven.9603:

Khayoss.2019:

Raven.9603:

Good fights at Orchard (EBL) tonight (midnight-330am EST)! Love you lots e-bay!

-Ranger from [CTDL] (SBI)
-aka the one who kept garri tagged for 3.5 hours

That sounds really, really boring. Someone on your server better send you an abyss dye or something for doing that. I did enjoy watching you die to fall damage once as I was passing through that gate though. That was funny.

I hope they send me something too. It might have been boring if not for the great fights EB players kept bringing to orchard.

Well at least you had that then. Seriously tho, tell your buddies they owe you. That’s some serious effort.

Jubei.4015:

You know what…enough of this crap about YB being under populated. it’s BS, from this day forward. No more about not being able to field an overwhelming force. that’s BS too. Now what I give props to YB is in siege, they know how to siege up a house. SBI population doesn’t yet… and that’s where you all are killing SBI.. not in open field fights, Lets face it, YB is basic in Open field, SBI is better at it. No biggie, but when it comes to siege fighting, YB has SBI slaughtered, and when it comes to PPT, sieging up a place and keeping it sieged is key. so huge props to YB. The whole is EB and YB 2v1 on SBI…the blatant answer regardless of if many of the guilds or solo’ers on YB knew it or not.. is YES, general rule was EB doesn’t touch YB if engaged with SBI, and EB coordinated the attack against SBI either with knowledge or support from YB or not. What the heck does YB care if EB hills is taken? unless they are going to give it back to EB when they move on, and that happened a lot. So no more denying it, just stop, it was a great strategy. It worked for YB, not quite to EB’s expectation it seems. But you know what, karma is a B$%&h and what goes around comes around, comes with the territory, and it’s going to happen again and again. SBI We really need to educate people on where to place siege and empower people to use the siege that’s placed and to lay down siege when attacking enforced keeps. 60% of the fights we’ve had with YB showed our naivety with siege tactics

You have some of the best dedicated siege people in game on your server, and very good scouts/guards. Maybe you should appreciate them a bit more and use them effectively. Look at FA, they talk a lot about open field, but their siege and scouting is also good. Its not one or the other, use both.

Dream In A Dream.7213:

Jubei.4015:

You know what…enough of this crap about YB being under populated. it’s BS, from this day forward. No more about not being able to field an overwhelming force. that’s BS too. Now what I give props to YB is in siege, they know how to siege up a house. SBI population doesn’t yet… and that’s where you all are killing SBI.. not in open field fights, Lets face it, YB is basic in Open field, SBI is better at it. No biggie, but when it comes to siege fighting, YB has SBI slaughtered, and when it comes to PPT, sieging up a place and keeping it sieged is key. so huge props to YB. The whole is EB and YB 2v1 on SBI…the blatant answer regardless of if many of the guilds or solo’ers on YB knew it or not.. is YES, general rule was EB doesn’t touch YB if engaged with SBI, and EB coordinated the attack against SBI either with knowledge or support from YB or not. What the heck does YB care if EB hills is taken? unless they are going to give it back to EB when they move on, and that happened a lot. So no more denying it, just stop, it was a great strategy. It worked for YB, not quite to EB’s expectation it seems. But you know what, karma is a B$%&h and what goes around comes around, comes with the territory, and it’s going to happen again and again. SBI We really need to educate people on where to place siege and empower people to use the siege that’s placed and to lay down siege when attacking enforced keeps. 60% of the fights we’ve had with YB showed our naivety with siege tactics

You have some of the best dedicated siege people in game on your server, and very good scouts/guards. Maybe you should appreciate them a bit more and use them effectively. Look at FA, they talk a lot about open field, but their siege and scouting is also good. Its not one or the other, use both.

Exactly. One of your scout that keep tapping SBI BL hill and bay back and forth is so persistent, that we eagerly want to recuit him/her to YB

One of Anet’s biggest excuse for the population imbalance in WvW is that the two weaker servers are supposed to focus on the bigger one.

This whining you’re doing on the forums about a perceived alliance, SBI? It’s WvW working as designed.

Sometimes you lose. Sometimes WvW isn’t fair in the other way (meaning YOU are the one that gets zerged down, if you guys can recall that feeling). Heck, sometimes you even face an opponent that can queue 3-4 maps in WvW whenever they feel like it, and literally have more players than their opponents combined.

That’s just how it is. Get used to it or stop playing, because, frankly, the people who have been on the low end of matchups—pretty much anyone not YB, FA, or SBI in silver—are kinda tired about hearing it. It just makes you look like a pack of spoiled brats to servers like NSP or IoJ who well and truly got screwed by the league system.

This is, of course, to ‘those’ types of people who probably won’t take the advice to heart, but the forums do show that there are SBI folks who don’t have their feet surgically implanted in their mouths. To which I say good fights.

I have a feeling SBI is going to get unbandwagon’d after leagues, if only because Anet is probably going to do the four tier league next time, resulting in SBI facing the current bottom-half gold opponents and FA/YB from silver. If all the numbers remain constant. Which they won’t.

Jubei.4015:

Lets face it, YB is basic in Open field, SBI is better at it.

That is your opinion make it more believable by providing overwhelming amounts of proof. Until then please continue talking out of your kitten .

Have a good thanksgiving everyone

Melanion.4892:

What you seem incapable of understanding is the mindset of Ehmry Bay. Ehmry Bay has consistently performed well enough to place second in the majority of its matchups, but not well enough to place somewhere that the seasons rewards are supposed to be anything interesting.

Going into this matchup, the prediction was that Yaks and SBI would both wafflestomp us no matter what kind of resistance we had, and we’d come third. Being the “peasants upon whom YB plant their flag” quite literally means nothing to us because we entered resigned to placing third. Any possibility of us placing second only really came at the end of the weekend. Still, I think a lot of us are content to give as many ‘F. You’s to SBI that avoiding Yaks a little bit is no big deal. The thing that you are assuming about our server is that we give any sort of mind about PPT and our placement in the leagues. Don’t go on some diatribe about Ebay being subordinate to Yaks until you really consider the situation. Yaks cares about their placement in the league. We don’t. Some of them avoid our things to focus SBI (which is smart) and we carry on defending our things and enjoying the hilarity on the forums when SBI’s score is barely competing with Ebay’s.

I know that for Void, the matchup is very similar to any other. We may choose to hit SBI first, but after that’s done, any Yaks that initiate a fight will get a fight.

you’ve gone and done it now

Dear SBI you had to know this was coming sooner or later. No one knew what servers would do it or to what extent but you had to know someone was going to do this with all the arrogance and chest thumping yall have been doing. To be honest YB and EB are not close in fact we have a rather bad relationship between eachother at times. But when you play the superiority card so long your so easily hated and that overcomes the smaller rivalry’s between other servers. Just take note now that others have seen you get owned by other servers that weren’t previously 8 or better prior to leagues expect more resistance. Your unbreakable facade has been broken but everyone will see the cracks from now on and not be near as intimidated by it.

GabGar.4962:

I wonder when SBI will start to admit that they lost because they dont have enough people loyal to the server, to despite the overwhelming odds most of their people just want easy victories and roll over groups with big blob zergs.

Take away the first place, put a heavy and organized fight and SBI is crying in the forums…

There have been a lot of SBI putting a lot of hours and effort into this week and I dont want to take away from what theyre doing, but you are right. A lot of it was because of the 2v1, and Yaks resorting to outright cheating. It’s difficult to get your casual/pug population motivated when that stuff happens. I’ll admit, if I had got into the ESO beta that’s where I would be.

Granted, I’m a transfer from TC last week so I don’t have any particular loyalty to SBI or any guilds yet.

However, I’ll just leave this here… note the times. 2v1 is bad enough, but then you also do this kind of thing: http://imgur.com/a/XIDnC

Oozo.7856:

Qadr.5217:

Oozo.7856:

Qadr.5217

individually YB and EB are both terrible, from everything I’ve seen. I think that is what really irks the people complaining in the forums. Individually we would smash them but together its like facing a T1 server, the numbers are overwhelming. When there are 10-15 people dedicated to preventing yaks from going to keeps, a 20-30 man zerg from the other server hitting bay and another 20-30 man zerg hitting the keep on the other side of the map, you know the ppt isn’t going to be in your favor.

That being said, I have not been in a group that has lost to either server in open field unless we were vastly outnumbered and even then we held out for a long time ( and we have been outnumbered, group vs group, pretty much the entire matchup). Screenshot below is one such example,

You have some kind of fantasy image of your own server. The real SBI is a server that will call in 40+ people to go after 4 in voice comm.

The screenshot you posted is what we would call a manageable fight. If you actually think that is an overwhelming number of Yak’s then your overall WvW experience is quite limited.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDUe0XDSO6Y

You seem to have a problem with reading comprehension.

Let’s see if we can get things straightened out then.

You claim EB and YB are bad in the open field and you have won every fight against them even when outnumbered. The only times you have lost is when you are facing “overwhelming” numbers. Oh yes, and you have been outnumbered in all of your open fields fights. Almost forgot about that gem.

You then post a screenshot with around 15 of you cowering in a tower from a staggering number of Yak’s which appears to be less than 25 people. Our group would consider that a manageable fight with fairly good odds of winning. You obviously don’t have a clue what overwhelming numbers really are.

Overwhelming numbers are things like 4v40 or 10v60.

Really not sure if you’re trolling or english isn’t your first language. Also math skills are dubious. If you must know we did engage them after I took that screen, we weren’t cowering, we were stacking. You may want to get your eyes checked as well.

Raven.9603:

Oozo, you go out of your way to look for fights where you can be outnumbered and constantly perform well. But now you are on day 6 of being kitten ed off about getting zerged away from a mission critical camp on reset night. smoke a joint or something. …..

I really wasn’t trying to provoke anybody, honestly. I don’t troll, I abhor people that have nothing better to do than cause strife. Just making an assessment from my vantage.

Hawks.5736:

GabGar.4962:

I wonder when SBI will start to admit that they lost because they dont have enough people loyal to the server, to despite the overwhelming odds most of their people just want easy victories and roll over groups with big blob zergs.

Take away the first place, put a heavy and organized fight and SBI is crying in the forums…

There have been a lot of SBI putting a lot of hours and effort into this week and I dont want to take away from what theyre doing, but you are right. A lot of it was because of the 2v1, and Yaks resorting to outright cheating. It’s difficult to get your casual/pug population motivated when that stuff happens. I’ll admit, if I had got into the ESO beta that’s where I would be.

Granted, I’m a transfer from TC last week so I don’t have any particular loyalty to SBI or any guilds yet.

However, I’ll just leave this here… note the times. 2v1 is bad enough, but then you also do this kind of thing: http://imgur.com/a/XIDnC

Again, the siege troll/destruction of all the golems was done to Yaks first by SBI with [bags] tag. this is when some idiots from our server(I guess) went to you and started doing the same. As has been stated already Yaks as a server doesn’t stand for this kind of behavior and I know that a lot of us reported people shown in screenshots that you provided to help anet check their records, and ban any of the parties involved. I really doubt that any of the individuals involved acted with approval of their servers/guilds.
Its like someone using a fly hack. Report and get their kitten banned as fast as possible!

Dream In A Dream.7213:

Hawks.5736:

GabGar.4962:

I wonder when SBI will start to admit that they lost because they dont have enough people loyal to the server, to despite the overwhelming odds most of their people just want easy victories and roll over groups with big blob zergs.

Take away the first place, put a heavy and organized fight and SBI is crying in the forums…

There have been a lot of SBI putting a lot of hours and effort into this week and I dont want to take away from what theyre doing, but you are right. A lot of it was because of the 2v1, and Yaks resorting to outright cheating. It’s difficult to get your casual/pug population motivated when that stuff happens. I’ll admit, if I had got into the ESO beta that’s where I would be.

Granted, I’m a transfer from TC last week so I don’t have any particular loyalty to SBI or any guilds yet.

However, I’ll just leave this here… note the times. 2v1 is bad enough, but then you also do this kind of thing: http://imgur.com/a/XIDnC

Again, the siege troll/destruction of all the golems was done to Yaks first by SBI with [bags] tag. this is when some idiots from our server(I guess) went to you and started doing the same. As has been stated already Yaks as a server doesn’t stand for this kind of behavior and I know that a lot of us reported people shown in screenshots that you provided to help anet check their records, and ban any of the parties involved. I really doubt that any of the individuals involved acted with approval of their servers/guilds.
Its like someone using a fly hack. Report and get their kitten banned as fast as possible!

Yea, i’m sure it was just chance that 7 minutes after he started doing it, Yaks showed up at Garrison Water Gate heh

I have read every post in this thread, and been a part of the other threads for a few months now, and I still can’t find the “chest thumping” that keeps being thrown around any more than the other servers are doing it.

We got beat, the end. Going over and over….and over the same things 100 times is not going to change that. Did you see what happened yesterday when some of us pulled together? EBay BL was green. Why we couldn’t do that all week, I have no idea. We need to figure it out as a server, not complain all day on the forums.

Yes, we do know what it’s like to be “zergballed”, we did fight SoR, Mags and SoS not too long ago.

Please don’t claim that EBay and Yaks don’t zerg, that makes you look dumb. There are orange swords all over the map, all the time. I am not saying zerging is wrong, but it’s not only SBI that uses that tactic.

Also, the veteran SBI’ers know about beating people and getting beat, they have been through it all. When we decided to transfer (before leagues were announced) SBI was #11, then moved up to #4 very quickly. Some of the transfers came from upper tiers, so right now it’s kind of a cluster with us trying to work together as a server and everyone having different tactics.

All in all it was one of the most fun weeks I have been a part of. It was nice to have to work for something and have some good open field fights too. [PD] I know you’re out for [Abys] blood, since you seemed to be in every map we were on. You too [SE], although I saw more [PD] out and about.

Keep up the good work SBI, YB and EBay. YB, if you can do this on your own, you’ll be a force to be reckoned with for sure!

Well done YB and EB. I think today shows pretty undeniable proof that this is a planned 2v1. And today is the day where YB is gonna spoon feed EB points. I hope you guys know how bad you are making your servers look. I’m thankful that when my server had the opportunity to 2v1 to get in gold everyone shouted no because we wanted to get there on our own merits. Regardless of how this week pans out I’m extremely proud of my server. We may not make 2nd but at least we didn’t need help to get there. =)

Gwendabell.8479:

Well done YB and EB. I think today shows pretty undeniable proof that this is a planned 2v1. And today is the day where YB is gonna spoon feed EB points. I hope you guys know how bad you are making your servers look. I’m thankful that when my server had the opportunity to 2v1 to get in gold everyone shouted no because we wanted to get there on our own merits. Regardless of how this week pans out I’m extremely proud of my server. We may not make 2nd but at least we didn’t need help to get there. =)

Oh my, I just looked at millennium….I would like to think EBay is pulling together to go for 2nd, but after watching YB kill everything in camps last night, then let an EBay or two come in and cap it, I am not so sure. :/

Oh well, there’s not much we can do about it, just keep on truckin’.

Jubei.4015:

Lets face it, YB is basic in Open field, SBI is better at it.

That is your opinion make it more believable by providing overwhelming amounts of proof. Until then please continue talking out of your kitten .

Have a good thanksgiving everyone
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LOL, you may not like it, but lets just face that one fact and move on. group to group over all your not too bad, not too good. SBi is alittle better in many of the fights 20vs15, or 30 vs 20, whatever the chemistry of the groupage seemed to be, they just got ya there. But I stand by my post, YB is a whole lot better than SBI when it comes to using, deploying, and keeping siege in captured resources. and no matter what 2v1 and whatever, that little fact has tipped the scales of two pretty even servers, that and eb’s server philosophy thus far. Sure we have some good siege users, but we don’t have enough, sure we have a good keep tapper, but we don’t have enough. that may be true on a lot of the tier2 servers, but against the tactics displayed thus far, we at SBI have a little work to do still, that’s all, and so does YB in the open field stuff.

Dear SBI you had to know this was coming sooner or later. No one knew what servers would do it or to what extent but you had to know someone was going to do this with all the arrogance and chest thumping yall have been doing. To be honest YB and EB are not close in fact we have a rather bad relationship between eachother at times. But when you play the superiority card so long your so easily hated and that overcomes the smaller rivalry’s between other servers. Just take note now that others have seen you get owned by other servers that weren’t previously 8 or better prior to leagues expect more resistance. Your unbreakable facade has been broken but everyone will see the cracks from now on and not be near as intimidated by it.
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While we at SBI appreciate the picture attributed to our success as being superior, were really still learning a lot. there are a lot of area’s we need to shore up, and being as good as we are now, just means were going to get better as i’m sure all the servers will.
My only concern is that in some way shape or form, servers are going to believe this is the normal way to play is to group up on the larger server, while the current philosophy with server vs server has worked quite well for so long. Maybe I’m a little naïve, but I had not been accustomed to such tactics in the past 1.6 years of dedicated wvw, can someone enlighten me on this?

Gwendabell.8479:

Well done YB and EB. I think today shows pretty undeniable proof that this is a planned 2v1. And today is the day where YB is gonna spoon feed EB points. I hope you guys know how bad you are making your servers look. I’m thankful that when my server had the opportunity to 2v1 to get in gold everyone shouted no because we wanted to get there on our own merits. Regardless of how this week pans out I’m extremely proud of my server. We may not make 2nd but at least we didn’t need help to get there. =)

Well, wasn’t it pointed out here yesterday by someone that Ebay needs to get 2nd to ensure our 2nd place overall??

I do not like griefing, no matter who does it. But be so kind as not to accuse an entire server of cheating, or use it as an excuse for losing.

You lose this week because YB got better tactics, better strategy, and after some days, better coverage too. You expected an easy win, and lost players after it became obvious it would not be like that.

We are not in an alliance with Ebay, but both them and us do focus you – ask yourself why. Biggest threat together with being one of the, how shall i put it, less well liked servers are the reasons.

You aren’t used to lose to a server lower ranked than you and that hurts your pride – it shouldn’t, but that is symptomatic for why other Silver League servers cheer for YB. Instead of looking for excuses you could contemplate on why you are losing this week and try to work on deficiencies.

That and a change of attitude from your Forum Warriors. Don’t take things too seriously, it IS only a game after all.

Oh, and building a Ballista to attack a gate is not a smart idea. Just telling.

Frosch.7809:

I do not like griefing, no matter who does it. But be so kind as not to accuse an entire server of cheating, or use it as an excuse for losing.

You lose this week because YB got better tactics, better strategy, and after some days, better coverage too. You expected an easy win, and lost players after it became obvious it would not be like that.

We are not in an alliance with Ebay, but both them and us do focus you – ask yourself why. Biggest threat together with being one of the, how shall i put it, less well liked servers are the reasons.

You aren’t used to lose to a server lower ranked than you and that hurts your pride – it shouldn’t, but that is symptomatic for why other Silver League servers cheer for YB. Instead of looking for excuses you could contemplate on why you are losing this week and try to work on deficiencies.

That and a change of attitude from your Forum Warriors. Don’t take things too seriously, it IS only a game after all.

Oh, and building a Ballista to attack a gate is not a smart idea. Just telling.

the saying would be: “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”

SafiMoyo.5130:

Push harder Ebay. I want to see you guys finish second. If you do, that’ll push YB into league 2nd. YB, you should be helping ebay out! Win win for both of you

(I’m not from YB or EB or SBI. Actually I’m from BP, so feels a little weird cheering EB on. But this league upset is amazing!)

Which is stupid. The problem between BP and EB is between only a few people. Anyone else who feels otherwise is a kittenin sheep letting the opinions of a few influence their own feelings. Cheer on for who you want and hell with anyone who feels otherwise.

(I’ve never posted in the WvW forums before, so go easy on me.)

I’m surprised by how much attention this match received not just from the servers involved but also from those not in the matchup and it displayed both the best and worst of a WvW match. The best in the camaraderie seen from EB; I would not have thought such a feat would be possible when you consider how many people WvW encompasses every day and it can take just a small group to break alliances. Without no doubt do I think it was a perfect ‘2v1’ as many were calling it; but from what I witnessed there were few hostilities. The worst of the match was the spy fiasco that I witnessed firsthand for the first time. I’ve no idea whether this has ever happened before on our server or how many SBI were involved in this behavior but this sort of thing can only breed hatred. If something like this is a regular occurrence on your servers, I can’t imagine how you continue playing.

I know a lot of SBI might downplay our victory as a 2v1 but really it also had to do with two other things just as much: our own dedication and strategy. I know a lot of commanders who put in overtime this week and barely got any sleep because of it. I, myself, played WvW at an all-time highest this week despite originally deciding I wasn’t going to step into WvW this week, and I still didn’t get my key. T.T

I’ll leave you guys to make whatever of strategy as it isn’t something I feel entitled to discuss anyhow.

Also I doubt you guys will forget this loss anytime soon. Hopefully this match is an eye-opener for you and you guys take away something useful from this. Over all it was a very fun match and most likely the most interesting match of the whole season. Looking forward to seeing how you guys transform but hopefully another confrontation doesn’t happen very soon. We have a lot to be thankful for on Yaks Bend especially the dedication that not just commanders but everyone put into this week, and I’m sure your servers has very dedicated people that still refuse to give up as well. Cheers and happy holiday if you celebrate it.

I had fun this week regardless. I did some great 1v1s, some easy 1v1s, i was in a steamroller, i’ve gotten steam rolled. Fun times were had by myself and those i’ve played with. Even tho my computer was broken for most of the match, I’d like to think when it magically fixed it self it was a sign that WvW needed my sunshiny demeanor.

Happy (month late) Thanksgiving to everyone

Nobody else in silver aside from FA could have handled the 2v1. FA might have the off peak coverage to make up the points, SBI certainly does not and has not since we lost most of ours during exodus. Being on the defensive the entire week from the 2v1 kept a lot of the fair weathers out. It also led to a lot of us who couldn’t get in previously due to queue’s play together again. This resulted in getting very good fights in this past couple of days. Few things I have notice is how dedicated the havoc group are on both YB and EB, you all did a great job. Also the presence of Void and ONE guild blobs shows something SBI doesn’t really have, and that’s a large WvW focused guild presence.

It wasn’t our first loss, wont be our last. I will say I can certainly look forward to another matchup with you guys after medal rounds. Lastly, bad behavior can plague any match up, lets not make it the defining point of this week. Sound strategy and team work prevailed. Good luck next week.

Jubei.4015:

While we at SBI appreciate the picture attributed to our success as being superior, were really still learning a lot. there are a lot of area’s we need to shore up, and being as good as we are now, just means were going to get better as i’m sure all the servers will.
My only concern is that in some way shape or form, servers are going to believe this is the normal way to play is to group up on the larger server, while the current philosophy with server vs server has worked quite well for so long. Maybe I’m a little naïve, but I had not been accustomed to such tactics in the past 1.6 years of dedicated wvw, can someone enlighten me on this?

You should use the quote function, your posts would be easier to read and see who you are replying to.

In regard to the tactic of 2 servers focusing on 1, this is not a new tactic by any means. The only thing is that it’s usually the 1st and 2nd place servers feasting off of the misfortunes of the 3rd place server in situations where there is 1 massively outgunned server in the matchup, or two massively outgunned servers where one of the smaller ones pushes the smallest in hopes of securing second for themselves. You’ve done it, we’ve done it, Yaks have done it… everyone’s done it. It’s nothing to be proud of, but the 2v1 has been in full effect since the beginning of this game.

When WvW was presented by ANet back before the game even launched, their philosophy was that 2 smaller servers would unite to make sure a larger server didn’t walk all over them… to date, this happens rarely because people are opportunistic, and finishing 3rd seems to leave a worse taste in peoples mouths than expected. Be that as it may, you are not the first larger server to be pushed by both servers below you, this is just the first time you personally have been on the receiving end of this particular kick in the teeth.

Personally, I hope that what was done this week serves as a beacon of hope for all of the servers that get big 300k losses handed to them in the future. There is no need to let a larger server simply walk to victory while you quabble amongst yourselves for the leftover scraps of points. Stare the bully in the eyes and kick them in the nuts. Maybe by focusing on the bigger server you swing the tide, maybe you still get crushed… but at the end of the week at least you’ve given everything you had to the battle and you walk away with your head held high knowing you gave them a lot more than they bargained for.

Jubei, FA will be jubilant to face your superior open field skills next week. I’m looking forward to reading all the praise FA is bound to heap on you.

Bannok.3152:

Few things I have notice is how dedicated the havoc group are on both YB and EB, you all did a great job. Also the presence of Void and ONE guild blobs shows something SBI doesn’t really have, and that’s a large WvW focused guild presence.

We really appreciate the recognition, thank you.

I just want to clarify something because there seems to be a perception from many in this match that VOID is a large guild… we are not. VOID has exactly 68 members, and if we have 50% of our membership online at the same time for our raids then that’s an extremely good day for us. We usually run 5-6 groups max at peak hours including scouts and havoc support. Granted, we always seem to gather some of the other sexy people from our server along the way, but we don’t quite belong in the ‘blob’ class.

Jubei.4015:

Jubei.4015:

Lets face it, YB is basic in Open field, SBI is better at it.

That is your opinion make it more believable by providing overwhelming amounts of proof. Until then please continue talking out of your kitten .

Have a good thanksgiving everyone
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LOL, you may not like it, but lets just face that one fact and move on. group to group over all your not too bad, not too good. SBi is alittle better in many of the fights 20vs15, or 30 vs 20, whatever the chemistry of the groupage seemed to be, they just got ya there. But I stand by my post, YB is a whole lot better than SBI when it comes to using, deploying, and keeping siege in captured resources. and no matter what 2v1 and whatever, that little fact has tipped the scales of two pretty even servers, that and eb’s server philosophy thus far. Sure we have some good siege users, but we don’t have enough, sure we have a good keep tapper, but we don’t have enough. that may be true on a lot of the tier2 servers, but against the tactics displayed thus far, we at SBI have a little work to do still, that’s all, and so does YB in the open field stuff.

Don’t confuse better with more, if by being better you mean having more guilds who do WvW is different, I spent most of the time in YBBL where we faced RISE, Abys & BEAST a lot, they usually ran together or split and they fought against pug zergs, no offense but how you compare open field battles is way too poor.

When you see your biggest guilds facing FA ones you should take notes, not when facing pug zergs.

i think we over did it -.-

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hi kalkz

yb can we form an alliance? pls respond

Who likes good news? Everyone? WELL GOOD NEWS EVERYONE! SBI hit 0 PPT, if only for a minute. I consider this good news just because well…more likely we’re going to get 2nd now. Also, because it means SBI had to reboot for a second before the PPT came back.

Don’t confuse better with more, if by being better you mean having more guilds who do WvW is different, I spent most of the time in YBBL where we faced RISE, Abys & BEAST a lot, they usually ran together or split and they fought against pug zergs, no offense but how you compare open field battles is way too poor.

When you see your biggest guilds facing FA ones you should take notes, not when facing pug zergs.

RISE usually runs 10 people max (although its more likely you’ll run into a 2 or 3 man roaming group), so in general I wouldn’t say we’re a good measure for open field zerg combat. That being said we do enjoy the outnumbered fights your pug zergs present us.

Alex Caputo.7863:

So this is some proof of the spy “Feelgoodnow” from SBI whos on Yak’s Bend. He wastes supply, runs our golems off cliffs and gives our position away. Hey SBI dont qq about getting 2v1 when you have to resort to spies. ridiculous.

Most of us don’t agree with what he is doing. Yesterday someone offered to spy on EBay when we were on Ebay’s BL, and everyone from SBI on the map basically told the guy to screw off because we weren’t interested in resorting to that.

Virmire.7385:

Alex Caputo.7863:

So this is some proof of the spy “Feelgoodnow” from SBI whos on Yak’s Bend. He wastes supply, runs our golems off cliffs and gives our position away. Hey SBI dont qq about getting 2v1 when you have to resort to spies. ridiculous.

Most of us don’t agree with what he is doing. Yesterday someone offered to spy on EBay when we were on Ebay’s BL, and everyone from SBI on the map basically told the guy to screw off because we weren’t interested in resorting to that.

THIS!!!

Khayoss.2019:

Bannok.3152:

Few things I have notice is how dedicated the havoc group are on both YB and EB, you all did a great job. Also the presence of Void and ONE guild blobs shows something SBI doesn’t really have, and that’s a large WvW focused guild presence.

We really appreciate the recognition, thank you.

I just want to clarify something because there seems to be a perception from many in this match that VOID is a large guild… we are not. VOID has exactly 68 members, and if we have 50% of our membership online at the same time for our raids then that’s an extremely good day for us. We usually run 5-6 groups max at peak hours including scouts and havoc support. Granted, we always seem to gather some of the other sexy people from our server along the way, but we don’t quite belong in the ‘blob’ class.

It’s all a matter of perspective honestly. A guild with 5-6 groups is massive compared to most guilds on SBI, particularly guilds who frequent EB. Anyway, as Bannok said, we’ve had some good fights this week. You guys should be commended on your discipline and organization.

I think I just saw a 50-man Yak’s bend zerg protecting a 30-man Ehmry Bay zerg who was walking their Dolyak to Hills.

Mind blown.

Alex Caputo.7863:

So this is some proof of the spy “Feelgoodnow” from SBI whos on Yak’s Bend. He wastes supply, runs our golems off cliffs and gives our position away. Hey SBI dont qq about getting 2v1 when you have to resort to spies. ridiculous.

Just out of curiosity, do you have any proof that this player is indeed from SBI? If you go back through this thread, you’ll notice the complaints regarding spies/griefers arose from both SBI and YB at approximately the same time. When it originally happened many on SBI were accusing YB of doing the same…but at this point it honestly seems to make more sense that neither server has anything to do with these players, and they are in fact from another server entirely out here to grief both our servers. Do I have any proof? None whatsoever, which is about as much proof as you have that the player in your screenshots is from SBI.

Pointing out that the guild tag is [bags] means nothing, as anyone can create a guild with a similar acronym to the original guild from the opposing server(s). The griefers who were destroying SBI golems/wasting supply/interrupting SBI’s TS had a guild tag indicating they were from YB. Just because they typed it into the guild registrar doesn’t make it “proof”. Furthermore, indicating the player(s) account names in a forum post (which I see has since been deleted) will only earn YOU an infraction. These accounts are likely in no way linked to the player(s) main accounts, so be smart about it, report them in-game, come up with suggestions for Anet to avoid these sorts of problems in the future (if enough of us voice a complaint, maybe Anet will finally react?), rage about it in private or vent to your servermates, and move on.

Yes, I realize it sucks. It sucks for SBI and it sucks for YB. But making baseless accusations against the other server that we’re spying or you’re spying is a waste of time until you can find a way to prove that the griefer(s) accounts are somehow linked to a player with their main account on SBI or YB. I think you’ll find 99.9% of the players on BOTH servers find these actions shameful and want nothing to do with it.

Griefing aside, it’s been a great matchup this week YB and Ebay, and it’s not over yet…first place may have been decided, but second place is still up for grabs!

Aren’t we all “very high” population servers?

My SBI, so getting you within 5K points of losing is all it takes for you to take this seriously? You took Hills and are actually attacking in force.You need a higher priority rate then, if this is the only way for you guys to go straight for the throat.

Maladon.5760:

It’s all a matter of perspective honestly. A guild with 5-6 groups is massive compared to most guilds on SBI, particularly guilds who frequent EB. Anyway, as Bannok said, we’ve had some good fights this week. You guys should be commended on your discipline and organization.

Indeed it is . Our perspective is obviously very different. VOID’s core members come from the once-upon-a-time guild pk – which at it’s height was one of Ehmry Bay’s “big 3” WvW guilds at ~450 players and who could post nearly 100 in teamspeak on reset night. In comparison to what some of us use to run with, we are just a small band of merry soldiers.

RyuDragnier.9476:

My SBI, so getting you within 5K points of losing is all it takes for you to take this seriously? You took Hills and are actually attacking in force.You need a higher priority rate then, if this is the only way for you guys to go straight for the throat.

Umm, I guess Holiday isn’t your first language. So I will translate.

Today is a huge NA holiday called Thanksgiving. Many people are enjoying all its comforts and joys. As they wake up from their self enduced food comas they will start to log back on in force.

Holiday food vs Video games? I think I know which deserves the priority in this matchup.

Grumbelly.9560:

RyuDragnier.9476:

My SBI, so getting you within 5K points of losing is all it takes for you to take this seriously? You took Hills and are actually attacking in force.You need a higher priority rate then, if this is the only way for you guys to go straight for the throat.

Umm, I guess Holiday isn’t your first language. So I will translate.

Today is a huge NA holiday called Thanksgiving. Many people are enjoying all its comforts and joys. As they wake up from their self enduced food comas they will start to log back on in force.

Holiday food vs Video games? I think I know which deserves the priority in this matchup.

Videogames all the way…

Stops your sad excuses really it is thanksgiving for all US not just for the SBI members xD