Guild Wars 2

Wishmaster.7693:

Screw you guys I could see Rox again

Hey! I like Rox. And Braham. And Faren. “Jory and Kas” are ok too.

Dondarrion.2748:

She goes on about the Infinity Ball too, so maybe she can tap into alternative worlds like the one you’ve seen if you’ve done the Asuran personal story.

You know, the fact that the LS writers are willing to ruin what is arguably one of the best personal story in Guild Wars 2 by inserting Scarlet Sue in it in some way is mind boggling. Its things like these that kept me on reenforcing that Scarlet should have been retcon out of the game from the very start of her introduction. They should have not insert that crap into other story and call it “connecting to the players”. Its just rather insulting.

For god kittening sake, the amount of time Scarlet stand there tee heeing about how she was responsible for all the crap that happen in the Living Story, MY CHARACTER COULD HAVE KILL HER RIGHT THERE. But nope, not only she survive dictated by a forced cutscene, she walk slowly to the teleport, ignoring the fact that a group of adventurers could have kill her right then and there or follow and kill her beyond the portal.

Its just mind boggling the LS writers are willing to keep this crappy character in the game, let her destroy the lore, combined lore breaking alliances, wasted so many potential stories or interesting lores, and Scarlet still kittening lives after all that crap. So in many ways, many honor soldiers, pact men, and other civilians died during the assault by Scarlet, but hey, they add in fart joke during a Toxic Alliance cutscene and Scarlet that was voice by Twilight Sparkle just to show how serious they are in writing all this horrible stories.

Let it all out brother.

The thing I like the most of it is that it gives a feel of “we are getting closer to the end”. It’s as if she’s saying “the next time I will show you what this was all about”.

I really hope it’s like that.

I hated the instance (and getting there) but I will say the cutscene was pretty cool.

For someone who was angered by the existence of this Living Story (and still thinks that ArenaNet has lessened the character of the krait by making them so gullible) the cut scene at the end was pretty good. It made me actually have a halfway decent opinion about Scarlet’s design for a few moments.

Thobek.1730:

Chrispy.5641:

1) Read the short story. It doesn’t matter that it wasn’t in the game. Fact is, they gave the character depth. Oh sure, complain that its not in the game!

actually it does matter, relying on sources that aren’t in-game is a terrible way to tell a story. So far we have information about Scarlet scattered amongst the game, short stories, interviews with writers, and random posts on these forums… and you’re saying it doesn’t matter. Not everyone knows about them and even still it doesn’t give the character depth instead that created a MarySue type villain which is worse.

But, that’s where everyone gets the idea that the Krait are so evil, so xenophobic, that they would never work with another race (that you are still complaining about, two quotes down). Most of that material isn’t even in the game. Its on wikis and blogs. So my question is still this: Why is it alright to complain about Scarlet’s stuff not being in the game, but everyone accepted the material on the Krait as being okay, even though most of it, is words on wikis and blogs?

Thobek.1730:

Chrispy.5641:

2) Your telling me that a seemingly normal area in the game, suddenly gets an illusion in the middle of a lake and all the trees are cut down around it, then the tower gets revealed and there’s toxic spores everywhere, to you assaulting your way to the top of the tower then killing the Krait’s prophet god, isn’t a developing story?

That’s exactly what I’m saying. Its because the story is on a cycle, its an repetitive recipe. Step 1 – Scarlet creates an alliance, Step 2 – we foil her plans, Step 3 – she teleports away, Step 4 – go to Step 1.

And, almost every Television Show, in the entire history, of, Freaking EVER, isn’t on the same Cycle? Is the Joker supposed to not get away? Is Megatron supposed to die at the end of the 13th episode, instead of at the end of the series? Since the Secret research lab blew up, the Zombie outbreak should be automatically over then, right? I guess that everyone lived happily ever after at the end of the first season of [Insert Fantasy/Sci Fi series here]? That’s how T.V. works, at the end of the season/start of the next one, pretty much everything goes back to the status quo, no matter who won the victory at the end of the season, and no matter who the villian was.

Thobek.1730:

Chrispy.5641:

Why is no one angry that the Char are working together with humans? They should still be killing each other. Oh wait, that’s right. Time is supposed to change things. a couple hundred years and elder dragons changed those two races to where they were working together.

So did 250 years pass from the previous patch to this one? No one knows how difficult the process was for the Char and humans to create an alliance. Even now there is the resistance so everything is not all perfect like you may suggest. The Krait have been always the most violent xenophobic race since GW2 was released, this alliance with the Nightmare court hasn’t developed over 250yrs like the Char/Human alliance has.

Uh, huh, so? In 250 years since the first time we saw them, a Dragon pushed them out of their homeland. You can argue for how xenophobic the krait are all day, but, if your getting your kitten kicked by an elder dragon from one direction, and all your efforts to enslave everyone else has failed in another direction, then I am pretty sure you will go for option C. Option C did not change the fate that the Krait are still the most xenophobic race, or that they wont enslave the Nightmare Court, especially if (and hopefully when) they find out Scarlet was playing them all along. It does show their desperation to regain their power back to where it was, no matter what they have to do to get it.

Chrispy.5641:

And, almost every Television Show, in the entire history, of, Freaking EVER, isn’t on the same Cycle? Is the Joker supposed to not get away? Is Megatron supposed to die at the end of the 13th episode, instead of at the end of the series? Since the Secret research lab blew up, the Zombie outbreak should be automatically over then, right? I guess that everyone lived happily ever after at the end of the first season of [Insert Fantasy/Sci Fi series here]? That’s how T.V. works, at the end of the season/start of the next one, pretty much everything goes back to the status quo, no matter who won the victory at the end of the season, and no matter who the villian was.

Video game stories aren’t like TV. There really is no reason for it to be super formulaic and serialized. Shoot, the most popular tv shows don’t even do that anymore. Look at Breaking Bad. Was that on the same cycle as the living story? Heck no. There was no “status quo”, every episode developed the story. I know anet specifically referred to using elements from TV shows for story telling, but do they really have to use the same format that saturday morning cartoons use?

This is true, the TV shows that have made it the longest honestly started out with the method mentioned above and evolved within their lifespan in order to make their story seem more impact-ful. People’s needs, when it comes to things like this, have changed. They need to feel like their character is making a real difference within the world. In fact, that was mentioned within the Manifesto Video, “You save the town and it stays saved, and the people remember you for it.” Some of that sight has been lost on 10 minute attack cycles, but it has made it’s way into the Living Story. Flame and Frost was, IMO, a good example of this. We went in and we creamed the alliance that was pushing the refugees out of their homes, and up until the point that we meet Scarlet we feel that we had destroyed them. I would say the same occured when we foiled the Aetherblade’s attempt to snatch a council seat in LA, and I honestly felt that way when I completed Clockwork Chaos invasions (although sadly not the dungeon). I think this current event makes it feel more like we haven’t done anything, but I think this might be a bit of that “silver-tounged” aspect of Scarlet finally making it into the game. I think she’s trying to make our players feel like they have failed, when they really have succeeded in savings many, many lives and stopped more corruption from entering the Council system within one of the largest cities in game.

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

narrock.6890:

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

I’m not going to waste my time (or yours) explaining it and trying to go against the general agenda of some people here have to bash Anet and GW2 every chance they get

what “Agenda” scarlet is just plain bad writing that rips off better character and has zero motivation as of yet and, no the websites stories don’t count they still explain nothing and, are not in game so i don’t see it as in part of it.

In my opinion, web sites do count, regardless of if you think so or not.
You are allowed to have your opinion, I am allowed to have mine.
The difference is when I express my opinion I am ridiculed and insulted constantly. The ‘Agenda’ is bashing anything and everything that is GW2 and is not limited to anything except the game itself and the people who (god forbid) actually enjoy it.

I think, personally, that the website stories are a good idea at times. The back story on Braham, Rox, and Marjory were good for giving more detail on their characters, and were enjoyable to read. What is annoying is “What Scarlet Saw”. This story was good and explained a lot about Scarlet, but it is almost vital to understanding her. Because of this, the information found in “What Scarlet Saw” should have made it’s way into the game somehow. Many players have met some of the characters she worked with, so it could easily have become a scavenger hunt to find out who she was, and use that to figure out what she might be up to.

Dott.5672:

Eszett.6950:

If you hate her she’s good enough of a villan.

No.
No, no, no.
I’ll stop you right there, because people don’t hate Scarlet because she’s a villain. She’s an obnoxious piece of kitten who doesn’t fit into the GW world, she breaks lore like there’s no tomorrow, she has the most annoying voice I have ever heard in a game (yet she’s supposed to be very persuasive; “silver-tongued” even), she constantly pulls new “evil alliances” that make no sense out of her kitten , she incessantly escapes every attempt to apprehend her (hell, in this update she WALKED RIGHT PAST MY CHARACTER. She just left. Right past a charr with a flamethrower after a five-minute monologue).

So don’t say hating her means she’s a good villain. I don’t hate her because of what she does, because I’m not sure what she does or how she does it. I hate her for what she is and what she represents: ANet’s incapability of writing a good kittening story.

I hope one of ANet’s writers reads this. Hell, I hope Bobby reads it.
You wrote a bad story, Bobby. It feels like you looked to David Cage for storytelling and Matt Ward for character creation.

I don’t think Scarlet is a bad villain.

What I do think is that she is connected to the reason for many of the ills that the world is suffering and she’s insane.

JohnnySupernova.9182:

Chrispy.5641:

And, almost every Television Show, in the entire history, of, Freaking EVER, isn’t on the same Cycle? Is the Joker supposed to not get away? Is Megatron supposed to die at the end of the 13th episode, instead of at the end of the series? Since the Secret research lab blew up, the Zombie outbreak should be automatically over then, right? I guess that everyone lived happily ever after at the end of the first season of [Insert Fantasy/Sci Fi series here]? That’s how T.V. works, at the end of the season/start of the next one, pretty much everything goes back to the status quo, no matter who won the victory at the end of the season, and no matter who the villian was.

Video game stories aren’t like TV. There really is no reason for it to be super formulaic and serialized. Shoot, the most popular tv shows don’t even do that anymore. Look at Breaking Bad. Was that on the same cycle as the living story? Heck no. There was no “status quo”, every episode developed the story. I know anet specifically referred to using elements from TV shows for story telling, but do they really have to use the same format that saturday morning cartoons use?

Well, you didn’t noticed that I referenced the Walking Dead in my post, which is definitely not a Saturday morning cartoon (and I’m pretty sure its one of the most popular things on television right now). And sorry to say, but, Breaking Bad did follow the same formula, and you saw the main character for the first half of the show, giving his monologue about how he has to continue ‘cooking’, normally mid season, or sometimes at the middle/end of several episodes back to back. If The Walking Dead or Breaking Bad suddenly stopped doing the status quo from time to time (it doesn’t have to be at the end of the season of episode), and went in totally opposite directions, then no one would have watched them. Its why Doctor Who still exists 50 years later, and its why some series like Stargate have lasted so long. There is very few shows that actually break that formula, and I would have to say that, maybe, possibly, Battlestar Galactica is one of the only shows to ever break that pattern, (except for the fact that at the end of the series….well, yeah….)

Chrispy.5641:

JohnnySupernova.9182:

Chrispy.5641:

And, almost every Television Show, in the entire history, of, Freaking EVER, isn’t on the same Cycle? Is the Joker supposed to not get away? Is Megatron supposed to die at the end of the 13th episode, instead of at the end of the series? Since the Secret research lab blew up, the Zombie outbreak should be automatically over then, right? I guess that everyone lived happily ever after at the end of the first season of [Insert Fantasy/Sci Fi series here]? That’s how T.V. works, at the end of the season/start of the next one, pretty much everything goes back to the status quo, no matter who won the victory at the end of the season, and no matter who the villian was.

Video game stories aren’t like TV. There really is no reason for it to be super formulaic and serialized. Shoot, the most popular tv shows don’t even do that anymore. Look at Breaking Bad. Was that on the same cycle as the living story? Heck no. There was no “status quo”, every episode developed the story. I know anet specifically referred to using elements from TV shows for story telling, but do they really have to use the same format that saturday morning cartoons use?

Well, you didn’t noticed that I referenced the Walking Dead in my post, which is definitely not a Saturday morning cartoon (and I’m pretty sure its one of the most popular things on television right now). And sorry to say, but, Breaking Bad did follow the same formula, and you saw the main character for the first half of the show, giving his monologue about how he has to continue ‘cooking’, normally mid season, or sometimes at the middle/end of several episodes back to back. If The Walking Dead or Breaking Bad suddenly stopped doing the status quo from time to time (it doesn’t have to be at the end of the season of episode), and went in totally opposite directions, then no one would have watched them. Its why Doctor Who still exists 50 years later, and its why some series like Stargate have lasted so long. There is very few shows that actually break that formula, and I would have to say that, maybe, possibly, Battlestar Galactica is one of the only shows to ever break that pattern, (except for the fact that at the end of the series….well, yeah….)

The Walking Dead and Breaking Bad didn’t have a status quo in the same way that a serialized show did, though. At the end of any episode, characters have grown, their relationships have developed, and in general things have CHANGED. No, Walt sticking to cooking is not the same as a show setting everything back to default because it’s serialized. He still changed, everyone around him changed, the story developed. Same with TWD. You don’t need to end the primary conflict (the zombies) to progress the story or to make it NOT serialized. That doesn’t even make sense.

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

P.S. I was going to go much more in depth on why Scarlet has a lot more depth then you seem to think. But it’s pretty clear people have made up their minds on the subject, for good or ill.

actually I would like to hear why a person such as you likes Scarlet or thinks she has any sort of depth. We have already had a lot of people state their reasons why she is shallow. I think it would be nice to hear from someone who likes her why she has depth.

please educate us… if you can.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Eszett.6950:

What else would it be? Harley Quinn of Batman has somewhat the same personality. She’s supposed to be irritating. If you hate her she’s good enough of a villain.

The difference here is that Harley Quinn gets caught by Batman, and often quite easily. There’s a scene in Batman Arkham City where she goes down in one punch (which is hilarious). Harley is fun because she has a kind of tragic back story, and depth to her character. She is a victim, as much as she is a villain. And sometimes she even turns against The Joker, only to return to him eventually.

I think people are most frustrated by the fact that Scarlet always gets away, while she doesn’t really seem all that competent. We’re told that she is a genius, but we don’t actually see her being a genius.

Lol, considering how many people QQ and die in her tower of doom, she seems pretty Genius to me. Those explosive Toxic Spores she brewed up alone 1 hit killed tons of innocent players. You don’t see much of her in person doing these things but everything’s been her creation so it still works.

Also, I love this scene XD
http://youtu.be/7DRPjrNSgA4?t=3m9s

Chrispy.5641:

But, that’s where everyone gets the idea that the Krait are so evil, so xenophobic, that they would never work with another race (that you are still complaining about, two quotes down). Most of that material isn’t even in the game. Its on wikis and blogs. So my question is still this: Why is it alright to complain about Scarlet’s stuff not being in the game, but everyone accepted the material on the Krait as being okay, even though most of it, is words on wikis and blogs?

But the Scarlet stuff is out of game, The Krait not dealing with others is IN-GAME. how many alliances IN-GAME do you see the Krait forming besides this B.S Scarlet patch? they are taking slaves for mulitple factions, attacking all others that are near to them IN-GAME. why can’t you see that? are you playing the same game we are?

That alone that is enough. Why do you think the wiki says these things? do you think some random made it up for fun? no, it’s part of the lore and script from GW1 and GW2. it’s IN-GAME.

Chrispy.5641:

And, almost every Television Show, in the entire history, of, Freaking EVER, isn’t on the same Cycle? Is the Joker supposed to not get away? Is Megatron supposed to die at the end of the 13th episode, instead of at the end of the series? Since the Secret research lab blew up, the Zombie outbreak should be automatically over then, right? I guess that everyone lived happily ever after at the end of the first season of [Insert Fantasy/Sci Fi series here]? That’s how T.V. works, at the end of the season/start of the next one, pretty much everything goes back to the status quo, no matter who won the victory at the end of the season, and no matter who the villian was.

Wow so naive. This also worries me who I am talking to – joker, megatron? – how old are you? Plenty of movies have developed. Have you ever watched breaking bad? yeah its the one that got all the awards. Why? Because every session Walt passed a point of no return (its called development). This is why it was so acclaimed. Sure you cheesy sitcom can be cyclical but other movies/tv shows pass a point(Prison Break for example). Maybe I should watch more transformer cartoons to understand where your coming from.

Thobek.1730:

Chrispy.5641:

But, that’s where everyone gets the idea that the Krait are so evil, so xenophobic, that they would never work with another race (that you are still complaining about, two quotes down). Most of that material isn’t even in the game. Its on wikis and blogs. So my question is still this: Why is it alright to complain about Scarlet’s stuff not being in the game, but everyone accepted the material on the Krait as being okay, even though most of it, is words on wikis and blogs?

But the Scarlet stuff is out of game, The Krait not dealing with others is IN-GAME. how many alliances IN-GAME do you see the Krait forming besides this B.S Scarlet patch? they are taking slaves for mulitple factions, attacking all others that are near to them IN-GAME. why can’t you see that? are you playing the same game we are?

That alone that is enough. Why do you think the wiki says these things? do you think some random made it up for fun? no, it’s part of the lore and script from GW1 and GW2. it’s IN-GAME.

Chrispy.5641:

And, almost every Television Show, in the entire history, of, Freaking EVER, isn’t on the same Cycle? Is the Joker supposed to not get away? Is Megatron supposed to die at the end of the 13th episode, instead of at the end of the series? Since the Secret research lab blew up, the Zombie outbreak should be automatically over then, right? I guess that everyone lived happily ever after at the end of the first season of [Insert Fantasy/Sci Fi series here]? That’s how T.V. works, at the end of the season/start of the next one, pretty much everything goes back to the status quo, no matter who won the victory at the end of the season, and no matter who the villian was.

Wow so naive. This also worries me who I am talking to – joker, megatron? – how old are you? Plenty of movies have developed. Have you ever watched breaking bad? yeah its the one that got all the awards. Why? Because every session Walt passed a point of no return (its called development). This is why it was so acclaimed. Sure you cheesy sitcom can be cyclical but other movies/tv shows pass a point(Prison Break for example). Maybe I should watch more transformer cartoons to understand where your coming from.

Those aren’t the right shows to compare this too. :/
The Comic book hero/villain way still exist and always will. Nice thing is they’re darker and more violent and serious nowadays though. Unfortunately GW2 isn’t a gory game.
Those are TV Dramas which have also always existed as is.. o.O

Thobek.1730:

Chrispy.5641:

But, that’s where everyone gets the idea that the Krait are so evil, so xenophobic, that they would never work with another race (that you are still complaining about, two quotes down). Most of that material isn’t even in the game. Its on wikis and blogs. So my question is still this: Why is it alright to complain about Scarlet’s stuff not being in the game, but everyone accepted the material on the Krait as being okay, even though most of it, is words on wikis and blogs?

But the Scarlet stuff is out of game, The Krait not dealing with others is IN-GAME. how many alliances IN-GAME do you see the Krait forming besides this B.S Scarlet patch? they are taking slaves for mulitple factions, attacking all others that are near to them IN-GAME. why can’t you see that? are you playing the same game we are?

That alone that is enough. Why do you think the wiki says these things? do you think some random made it up for fun? no, it’s part of the lore and script from GW1 and GW2. it’s IN-GAME.

The Wiki says those things because almost all of it was copied from this Article that Anet put on their blog years ago (and was subsequently copied to the Wiki) :::
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shadows_in_the_Water_%E2%80%93_The_Krait

So, no. Its not ingame, The Actual Krait Wiki article has no sources, no ingame dialogues, nothing. Almost all of it is in reference to that OUT OF GAME article.

Thobek.1730:

Chrispy.5641:

And, almost every Television Show, in the entire history, of, Freaking EVER, isn’t on the same Cycle? Is the Joker supposed to not get away? Is Megatron supposed to die at the end of the 13th episode, instead of at the end of the series? Since the Secret research lab blew up, the Zombie outbreak should be automatically over then, right? I guess that everyone lived happily ever after at the end of the first season of [Insert Fantasy/Sci Fi series here]? That’s how T.V. works, at the end of the season/start of the next one, pretty much everything goes back to the status quo, no matter who won the victory at the end of the season, and no matter who the villian was.

Wow so naive. This also worries me who I am talking to – joker, megatron? – how old are you? Plenty of movies have developed. Have you ever watched breaking bad? yeah its the one that got all the awards. Why? Because every session Walt passed a point of no return (its called development). This is why it was so acclaimed. Sure you cheesy sitcom can be cyclical but other movies/tv shows pass a point(Prison Break for example). Maybe I should watch more transformer cartoons to understand where your coming from.

JohnnySupernova.9182:

The Walking Dead and Breaking Bad didn’t have a status quo in the same way that a serialized show did, though. At the end of any episode, characters have grown, their relationships have developed, and in general things have CHANGED. No, Walt sticking to cooking is not the same as a show setting everything back to default because it’s serialized. He still changed, everyone around him changed, the story developed. Same with TWD. You don’t need to end the primary conflict (the zombies) to progress the story or to make it NOT serialized. That doesn’t even make sense.

And you see no character development in Guild Wars 2? I still say you guys are all angry because the central character isn’t developing at the pace you want, but nothing more. There’s been plenty of development all over the place with other characters and places.

And one more thing. What do you think Guild Wars 2 is rated? Oh yeah, its rated T for Teen in America. Now, I might not have been a Teen for 6 years, and I am still a fan of many shows and comics that I grew up with, but I think its more Absurd that you guys are Expecting, worse, Demanding, a M for Mature story on the level of Game of Thrones instead of taking it for what it is. That’s actually moving away from Absurd, and more towards “Then why the kitten are you still playing this game? Its obviously not sophisticated enough for your palette?”

Doggie.3184:

Those aren’t the right shows to compare this too. :/
The Comic book hero/villain way still exist and always will. Nice thing is they’re darker and more violent and serious nowadays though. Unfortunately GW2 isn’t a gory game.
Those are TV Dramas which have also always existed as is.. o.O

actually what is the right show? some cartoon network show or something a ‘little’ more complex. I would hope this community is has a bit more depth than some after school tv show.

Chrispy.5641:

And you see no character development in Guild Wars 2? I still say you guys are all angry because the central character isn’t developing at the pace you want, but nothing more. There’s been plenty of development all over the place with other characters and places.

go on, tell us this “depth” and “development” since you are so in favour of the scarlet story please tell us. what makes her so interesting..

Chrispy.5641:

And one more thing. What do you think Guild Wars 2 is rated? Oh yeah, its rated T for Teen in America. Now, I might not have been a Teen for 6 years, and I am still a fan of many shows and comics that I grew up with, but I think its more Absurd that you guys are Expecting, worse, Demanding, a M for Mature story on the level of Game of Thrones instead of taking it for what it is. That’s actually moving away from Absurd, and more towards “Then why the kitten are you still playing this game? Its obviously not sophisticated enough for your palette?”

A children’s story which cannot be appreciated by adults is not a good children’s story at all.

-I think it was Mark Twain

I’d be willing to accept the story if the basics were at least right. There was a post earlier in the thread saying that Scarlet is better than Trahearne; Nah. Where Trahearne is Star Wars: The Phantom Menace’s Qui-gon, bland, devoid of emotion and sometimes a bit of a poor decision-maker, Scarlet is Jar Jar Binks. They’re both rubbish. “One is better than the other”? Pishposh. One character being terrible is no excuse for another character being slightly less so, but still terrible enough to earn the quantifier. That just means you have two rubbish characters.

Thobek.1730:

Doggie.3184:

Those aren’t the right shows to compare this too. :/
The Comic book hero/villain way still exist and always will. Nice thing is they’re darker and more violent and serious nowadays though. Unfortunately GW2 isn’t a gory game.
Those are TV Dramas which have also always existed as is.. o.O

actually what is the right show? some cartoon network show or something a ‘little’ more complex. I would hope this community is has a bit more depth than some after school tv show.

Well, why do we have to use a television show? Why not a Comic Book? One similar Character I can think of to Scarlet, is probably, Vandal Savage (Minus the immortality on one side, and minus the crazy on the other). That’s one of the most popular comic book villians ever, And,….

….Actually, nevermind. Someone is going to disagree, and reply to me saying its different no matter what I type.

Thobek.1730:

Chrispy.5641:

And you see no character development in Guild Wars 2? I still say you guys are all angry because the central character isn’t developing at the pace you want, but nothing more. There’s been plenty of development all over the place with other characters and places.

go on, tell us this “depth” and “development” since you are so in favour of the scarlet story please tell us. what makes her so interesting..

I already proved that Scarlet has depth and development as a character in a much earlier post. Don’t get angry at me, just because its not in the game. Why wasn’t it in the game earlier? Some subtle hints atleast? Its probably because Anet didn’t think of the Scarlet character until they started to think of the living story, which was near/after the game released. While I agree, they seriously need to put some stufff in the game so it makes sense, since Scarlet was just about everywhere before she became Scarlet, that doesn’t suddenly invalidate the character’s existence. As for the development of other characters. Yeah. There is no way I am going to list every single one, and I am not going to because one person says it doesn’t exist.

I missed the part where this cutscene is good. It’s just a recap of what happened, showing yet again, that there was 0 consequence to all Living Story updates that involved Scarlet. No matter how often we defeat her, she just shows up a few weeks later with a gazillion of new minions. It doesn’t make the least bit of sense. Why exactly would anyone still work for her? She accomplished nothing at all.
Besides that, she has still absolutely no personality besides being a cheap Joker knock-off. I miss the days when Anet wrote villains like Varesh Ossa. Believable villains, with an actual motivation and real emotions. The more I think about it, the more I believe that the Sylvari were the worst addition to GW’s lore ever. Maybe that’s why I enjoyed Sea of Sorrows so much. No Sylvari to ruin everything with their “perfection”.

Chrispy.5641:

Thobek.1730:

Chrispy.5641:

And, almost every Television Show, in the entire history, of, Freaking EVER, isn’t on the same Cycle? Is the Joker supposed to not get away? Is Megatron supposed to die at the end of the 13th episode, instead of at the end of the series? Since the Secret research lab blew up, the Zombie outbreak should be automatically over then, right? I guess that everyone lived happily ever after at the end of the first season of [Insert Fantasy/Sci Fi series here]? That’s how T.V. works, at the end of the season/start of the next one, pretty much everything goes back to the status quo, no matter who won the victory at the end of the season, and no matter who the villian was.

Wow so naive. This also worries me who I am talking to – joker, megatron? – how old are you? Plenty of movies have developed. Have you ever watched breaking bad? yeah its the one that got all the awards. Why? Because every session Walt passed a point of no return (its called development). This is why it was so acclaimed. Sure you cheesy sitcom can be cyclical but other movies/tv shows pass a point(Prison Break for example). Maybe I should watch more transformer cartoons to understand where your coming from.

JohnnySupernova.9182:

The Walking Dead and Breaking Bad didn’t have a status quo in the same way that a serialized show did, though. At the end of any episode, characters have grown, their relationships have developed, and in general things have CHANGED. No, Walt sticking to cooking is not the same as a show setting everything back to default because it’s serialized. He still changed, everyone around him changed, the story developed. Same with TWD. You don’t need to end the primary conflict (the zombies) to progress the story or to make it NOT serialized. That doesn’t even make sense.

And you see no character development in Guild Wars 2? I still say you guys are all angry because the central character isn’t developing at the pace you want, but nothing more. There’s been plenty of development all over the place with other characters and places.

And one more thing. What do you think Guild Wars 2 is rated? Oh yeah, its rated T for Teen in America. Now, I might not have been a Teen for 6 years, and I am still a fan of many shows and comics that I grew up with, but I think its more Absurd that you guys are Expecting, worse, Demanding, a M for Mature story on the level of Game of Thrones instead of taking it for what it is. That’s actually moving away from Absurd, and more towards “Then why the kitten are you still playing this game? Its obviously not sophisticated enough for your palette?”

You really don’t see much character development, no. Rox is still the exact same “i hope rytlock notices me!” character she was six months ago, Braham, Kasmeer, and Marjory have had a little bit more character development, but then, the main villain, and the actual story itself is in a state of stasis. Scarlet has not changed at all since she was introduced. None of the Alliances have gotten any development despite being the focal point of their respective updates. And the living story and living world are exactly where they were in February. GW2 isn’t a sit com, it doesn’t need to keep their world in stasis and reset it at the end of every episode, but that’s what the living story is.

And no, you don’t need to be “M for Mature” to tell a story that’s not serialized. There have been kid’s shows with an actual story to them, you know. It has nothing to do with being “mature”, and everything to do with not wanting to be lazy with your story telling.

The final cutscene at the end of the last “storyline” quest was a complete ripoff of the exact same scenes found at the end of storyline instances in DC Universe Online.

In fact Scarlet could be replaced by the Joker or vice versa and both games would be exactly the same as they are now.

JohnnySupernova.9182:

Chrispy.5641:

Thobek.1730:

Chrispy.5641:

And, almost every Television Show, in the entire history, of, Freaking EVER, isn’t on the same Cycle? Is the Joker supposed to not get away? Is Megatron supposed to die at the end of the 13th episode, instead of at the end of the series? Since the Secret research lab blew up, the Zombie outbreak should be automatically over then, right? I guess that everyone lived happily ever after at the end of the first season of [Insert Fantasy/Sci Fi series here]? That’s how T.V. works, at the end of the season/start of the next one, pretty much everything goes back to the status quo, no matter who won the victory at the end of the season, and no matter who the villian was.

Wow so naive. This also worries me who I am talking to – joker, megatron? – how old are you? Plenty of movies have developed. Have you ever watched breaking bad? yeah its the one that got all the awards. Why? Because every session Walt passed a point of no return (its called development). This is why it was so acclaimed. Sure you cheesy sitcom can be cyclical but other movies/tv shows pass a point(Prison Break for example). Maybe I should watch more transformer cartoons to understand where your coming from.

JohnnySupernova.9182:

The Walking Dead and Breaking Bad didn’t have a status quo in the same way that a serialized show did, though. At the end of any episode, characters have grown, their relationships have developed, and in general things have CHANGED. No, Walt sticking to cooking is not the same as a show setting everything back to default because it’s serialized. He still changed, everyone around him changed, the story developed. Same with TWD. You don’t need to end the primary conflict (the zombies) to progress the story or to make it NOT serialized. That doesn’t even make sense.

And you see no character development in Guild Wars 2? I still say you guys are all angry because the central character isn’t developing at the pace you want, but nothing more. There’s been plenty of development all over the place with other characters and places.

And one more thing. What do you think Guild Wars 2 is rated? Oh yeah, its rated T for Teen in America. Now, I might not have been a Teen for 6 years, and I am still a fan of many shows and comics that I grew up with, but I think its more Absurd that you guys are Expecting, worse, Demanding, a M for Mature story on the level of Game of Thrones instead of taking it for what it is. That’s actually moving away from Absurd, and more towards “Then why the kitten are you still playing this game? Its obviously not sophisticated enough for your palette?”

You really don’t see much character development, no. Rox is still the exact same “i hope rytlock notices me!” character she was six months ago, Braham, Kasmeer, and Marjory have had a little bit more character development, but then, the main villain, and the actual story itself is in a state of stasis. Scarlet has not changed at all since she was introduced. None of the Alliances have gotten any development despite being the focal point of their respective updates. And the living story and living world are exactly where they were in February. GW2 isn’t a sit com, it doesn’t need to keep their world in stasis and reset it at the end of every episode, but that’s what the living story is.

And no, you don’t need to be “M for Mature” to tell a story that’s not serialized. There have been kid’s shows with an actual story to them, you know. It has nothing to do with being “mature”, and everything to do with not wanting to be lazy with your story telling.

There is quite a large difference between returning to the Status Quo, and Reseting everything, but, I am starting to see that trying to change your mind, is like trying to teach a fire hydrant Russian. It can’t be done.

But I will say that you must not watch very many sitcoms, because even the most basic of sitcoms on the disney channel have character development every episode. And I still don’t get what’s wrong with a serialized story telling. I keep hearing you guys mention it like it is a bad thing, but you have failed to explain why so far.

As for Character Developent. If you don’t see it, you don’t see it. I could explain all day how the Aetherblades have developed a little from mysterious sky pirates to Scarlet’s lackeys that she forced a majority of them to work for them, because hey, they like living better, but, you’re still going to ignore that sentence like its in ancient Latin and should eb ignored. Something tells me that even if Scarlet was involved in the reactor explosion, and if the fractal proves it, and even shows character development with her, you will still be the one to say it doesn’t exist, and trying to prove you otherwise brings me back to the fire hydrant.

Draknar.5748:

Does anyone else notice that:

Molten Alliance, Aetherblades, Toxic Alliance = Vigil, Durmand Priory, Order of Whispers? The evil versions obviously. They are even growing an evil Pale Tree. Scarlet is creating evil versions of what we got going on.

I don’t see it

(The Order of Whispers created the pale tree??!!)

Can you go into some more detail on this?

From Mad Queen Malafide;

“I think people are most frustrated by the fact that Scarlet always gets away, while she doesn’t really seem all that competent. We’re told that she is a genius, but we don’t actually see her being a genius.”

Yes, thank you. That’s it. Instead of showing me Scarlet’s character through her actions, the writers splatted me with an exposition snowball. Me angrily wiping the wet snow out of my face does not equal me being impressed by Scarlet.

Scarlet is a epic troll she just having fun with us,but I love her xD

Autumn Frazee.3158:

Lastly, if you wish to review the cinematic inside the repeatable version, you can interact with the terminal inside the boss room after the instance has been completed; it will allow you to watch the cinematic as many times as you wish.

this isn’t true. as with most content with scarlet i wish to see it exactly 0 times.

I… didnt find it to be ‘amazing’ by any stretch of the imagination. I’m really just surprised that they’ve drug this scarlet thing out as long and as far as they have.

Scarlet is designed to buy ANet some time. And they desperately need it. They have too much to do in too little time, from PVP, WVW, and PVE, game got no point to play once you got up to 80.

So don’t expect anything good anytime soon as long she is alive, meaning Anet still needs more time!

Well the final cutscene might as well have been Scarlet singing Humpty Dumpty for me. I missed the earlier LS so most of what Scarlet was referring to meant nothing to me (some guy and his pants, eh what?). Sure I could read up about it on websites but isn’t it the job of the game to provide this information to me? If I bought a book and chapters 1-10 were missing I’d either bin it (delete if an ebook), get a refund or exchange it.

"";Chrispy.5641:

Everything Chrispy said…

This^^