Guild Wars 2

Edit: With the patch released it is clear this will be Temporary content…

The “story instance” at the end is indeed just another short-term dungeon like the “Funhouse” was. This post addresses the concept that the “tower”, dunegon or not, and its content will be shortly removed weeks following the release.

If the dungeon is to be as promised then there is no way it can be properly enjoyed in only a 2-week window. Maybe not even 4 weeks. I know some of you like to rush through front to back and could care less about the “enjoying the visuals”; nonetheless with every living story patch released, a ticking clock exists counting down the time until the destruction of the release.

Look: Dungeons are useless and forgetable unless you can explore them slowly. This cannot be done in a short time no matter how hard you try. Making temporary dungeons only further serves to make this game more “unenjoyable” and defeats the intent of a “Living Story”. Scarlet doesn’t have to be defeated in 2-week time windows. The world won’t come to an end if it takes longer else Scarlet would have destroyed everything by now.

No matter…

Indeed it is so…

Seeing as how the last dungeon that was added with LS is still there I doubt this one will be temporary if it’s even a dungeon…

Making temporary dungeons is fine as long as it returns at a later date like how MF and AR are becoming fractals.

If they make a dungeon that isn’t a revamp of an existing dungeon it is extremely likely to be temporary, but it is also very likely to return as a fractal. This next patch however, is not a dungeon update either way.

It’s all I’m curious about really, I really hope it is, especially since it (seems) has randomized parts, at least in the enemy roster?

.. Yeah yeah the music is awful yadda yadda but only in conjunction of that trailer, but they’re fine on their own.

They said that expect gradual changes over next 4 months so hopefully they keep it that long

Id love for it to be permanent content. Id love a really decent 5 man or even open world 50 floors of madness and for it to stay in the world to be appreciated for longer than 2/4 week cycles.

But it seems like (from what i read of the release preview) we will fight another one of those stupid scarlet hybrid monsters, destroy the tower and see no more of the toxic alliance apart from cameos in scarlet related LS arcs.

Although, if that happened, I guess i would still hold out hope that the tower remains, now free from toxin, krait take over like they always planned and a really interesting gw lore RELATED LS arc can actually unfold. Here’s hoping.

I’m not even certain at this point that the update is a dungeon … sounds more like the Jubilee where there are several different events raging throughout the tower at the same time, but is open to any and all.

Are we even sure its actually a dungeon? I see nothing that says it is … other than its been stated there is an “instanced” portion. It could be made for the solo player …. who really knows.

I’d love a randomised dungeon with a boss-rush element to it. Even better if the rewards are worthwhile.

We will find small instances in the tower not a large dungeon. It could be something similar to Queen’s Gauntlet wit gambits.

It doesn’t sound like a dungeon, just a bunch of ‘rooms’

Probably not gonna be a dungeon. If it’s saying you have to go into “rooms” and fight special enemies, it sounds more to me like the Queen’s Gauntlet, only this time the bosses are randomized.

Solo 1v1 fights in those rooms, and then the main event is blowing up the giant flower.

It might be a permanent mini-dungeon.

It will be a permanent dungeon, but you will have to sacrifice an already existing dungeon. Anet, the only MMO developer that removes content from their game.

Zerg the tower
Get your AP and crappy rewards
Wait 2 weeks
repeat

I love how op writes his post like he is stating facts.

Will it be temporary?

Most likely. We’ll be ending the main threat but “remnants” may remain – if anything.

Will it be a dungeon?

I’m doubtful. It sounds like The Crown Pavilion set-up to me.

It most definitely does sound more like the Pavilion, but the video also look likes a jumping puzzle to some degree.

If it was a dungeon they would more than likely advertise it as such, it would be something that would boast about, not keep under wraps.

It is not even said if this will be dungeon like Aetherblade Retreat was. There they they exactly said ,,New Story Dungeon".
This new think can be also solo instance or instance that you can do from 1 to 5 people. Or another pavilion.

If is not even said that it will be dungeon :-)

I agree that the community assumption that this a “Dungeon” release is not valid. I expect a lot of QQing from those that have made that assumption when the content releases….

I am basing this on the fact that the word DUNGEON does not appear in any of the announcement information I have seen.

No matter what this content actually turns out to be, I’m not sure that it being permanent is part of the plan….I already miss my old Kessex Hills zone and want it back at some point (tho, for continuity sake, it should have some “scarring” left). I guess it’s possible to leave open the Tower and “reclaim” the rest of the zone to near it’s original status, but I for one do NOT want Kessex Hills to remain as it is now indefinitely.

i agree, no more dungeon please but more open world stuff. Just in case, since it is not known to be a dungeon.

Valenthor.4052:

It will be a permanent dungeon, but you will have to sacrifice an already existing dungeon. Anet, the only MMO developer that removes content from their game.

Are people still seriously harping on about this?
All other MMOs phase out old content and leave them barren. Be glad Anet actually take the time to reclaim unused areas and make them new.

Valenthor.4052:

Anet, the only MMO developer that removes content from their game.

This is obviously your first MMO.

Valenthor.4052:

Anet, the only MMO developer that removes content from their game.

It is all perspective. Look at other mmo’s and how there is so much unused content. Everyone already been there and done that. Taking this tower for an example, they leave it in for 2-4 weeks. We spend those weeks playing the kitten out of it, then it goes away. That lends itself to give the LS a feeling of it being living. It was defeated, and now its it no longer exists.

It keeps things from getting boring and then ignored. Which we all know, happens with all content. They give it to us, take it away and give us something new, then some time down the road they give it back to us in an altered state to keep it fresh and interesting.

daemonlama.5413:

Valenthor.4052:

Anet, the only MMO developer that removes content from their game.

It is all perspective. Look at other mmo’s and how there is so much unused content. Everyone already been there and done that. Taking this tower for an example, they leave it in for 2-4 weeks. We spend those weeks playing the kitten out of it, then it goes away. That lends itself to give the LS a feeling of it being living. It was defeated, and now its it no longer exists.

It keeps things from getting boring and then ignored. Which we all know, happens with all content. They give it to us, take it away and give us something new, then some time down the road they give it back to us in an altered state to keep it fresh and interesting.

Or they could leave the content there permanent, scrap the entire notion that Living Story = Content must be removed, and give players more things to do than they can shake a stick at.

It’s actually painful at how fast people are to defend Anet’s idea that their Living Story concept of adding temporary content is somehow innovative and, even worst, a good, cool idea.

Yes, sometimes MMO Developers do remove content from the game when they feel it fits the storyline, but never to the extent that Anet does with each passing update. Think about it, if Anet actually left in the content (barring holidays, obviously) instead of constantly removing it, by now we would have had over a dozen new story missions, two full fledged new dungeons, a third mini-dungeon, an additional scalable dungeon with the Queen’s Jubilee, an entirely new meta-game they could have continued to add to with the Queen’s Gauntlet and Super Adventure Box, and an entirely new zone in the form of the Zepyhr Sanctum along with the Challenge Mission it came with. Not to mention the various new PvP modes/Activities they’ve added over the year as well that are no longer in the game.

Instead…we have Fractals of the Mist, WvW changes, a completely dead zone, a handful of rotating activities, and a revamped world boss no one does anymore.

Remind me again why the latter is better than the former?

Blade Syphon.4325:

daemonlama.5413:

Valenthor.4052:

Anet, the only MMO developer that removes content from their game.

It is all perspective. Look at other mmo’s and how there is so much unused content. Everyone already been there and done that. Taking this tower for an example, they leave it in for 2-4 weeks. We spend those weeks playing the kitten out of it, then it goes away. That lends itself to give the LS a feeling of it being living. It was defeated, and now its it no longer exists.

It keeps things from getting boring and then ignored. Which we all know, happens with all content. They give it to us, take it away and give us something new, then some time down the road they give it back to us in an altered state to keep it fresh and interesting.

Or they could leave the content there permanent, scrap the entire notion that Living Story = Content must be removed, and give players more things to do than they can shake a stick at.

It’s actually painful at how fast people are to defend Anet’s idea that their Living Story concept of adding temporary content is somehow innovative and, even worst, a good, cool idea.

Yes, sometimes MMO Developers do remove content from the game when they feel it fits the storyline, but never to the extent that Anet does with each passing update. Think about it, if Anet actually left in the content (barring holidays, obviously) instead of constantly removing it, by now we would have had over a dozen new story missions, two full fledged new dungeons, a third mini-dungeon, an additional scalable dungeon with the Queen’s Jubilee, an entirely new meta-game they could have continued to add to with the Queen’s Gauntlet and Super Adventure Box, and an entirely new zone in the form of the Zepyhr Sanctum along with the Challenge Mission it came with. Not to mention the various new PvP modes/Activities they’ve added over the year as well that are no longer in the game.

Instead…we have Fractals of the Mist, WvW changes, a completely dead zone, a handful of rotating activities, and a revamped world boss no one does anymore.

Remind me again why the latter is better than the former?

+1 for truthfulness

Blade Syphon.4325:

daemonlama.5413:

Valenthor.4052:

Anet, the only MMO developer that removes content from their game.

It is all perspective. Look at other mmo’s and how there is so much unused content. Everyone already been there and done that. Taking this tower for an example, they leave it in for 2-4 weeks. We spend those weeks playing the kitten out of it, then it goes away. That lends itself to give the LS a feeling of it being living. It was defeated, and now its it no longer exists.

It keeps things from getting boring and then ignored. Which we all know, happens with all content. They give it to us, take it away and give us something new, then some time down the road they give it back to us in an altered state to keep it fresh and interesting.

Or they could leave the content there permanent, scrap the entire notion that Living Story = Content must be removed, and give players more things to do than they can shake a stick at.

It’s actually painful at how fast people are to defend Anet’s idea that their Living Story concept of adding temporary content is somehow innovative and, even worst, a good, cool idea.

Yes, sometimes MMO Developers do remove content from the game when they feel it fits the storyline, but never to the extent that Anet does with each passing update. Think about it, if Anet actually left in the content (barring holidays, obviously) instead of constantly removing it, by now we would have had over a dozen new story missions, two full fledged new dungeons, a third mini-dungeon, an additional scalable dungeon with the Queen’s Jubilee, an entirely new meta-game they could have continued to add to with the Queen’s Gauntlet and Super Adventure Box, and an entirely new zone in the form of the Zepyhr Sanctum along with the Challenge Mission it came with. Not to mention the various new PvP modes/Activities they’ve added over the year as well that are no longer in the game.

Instead…we have Fractals of the Mist, WvW changes, a completely dead zone, a handful of rotating activities, and a revamped world boss no one does anymore.

Remind me again why the latter is better than the former?

My goodness that would have been amazing.

Their reason for removing content so much is to keep player concentrations up so you can always find people to do an activity, which frankly sounds like dictatorial control.

What does it matter whether it’s temporary or not when my pets will die instantly to the AoEs? Oddly enough, every other character class doesn’t lose their main mechanic support in dungeons.

Just more time wasted on useless content instead of fixing the broken main mechanics.

Storied instances and dungeons should pretty much always be permanent, period.

I don’t even think it’s okay to remove them then add them back in as fractals. What’s the point? The launch dungeons aren’t going to be removed, what purpose does removing newer ones serve?

I agree with the above poster. Living World = Temporary content is just a bad concept that Anet seems to be having trouble letting go of. You gain little and lose much by removing or altering existing content as opposed to just adding new content with each patch.

Stormcrow.7513:

Zerg the tower
Get your AP and crappy rewards
Wait 2 weeks
repeat

This is one of the main problems with these releases. No time to do anything “fun” but instead a “forced march” through content.

I hope all the dungeons they made for the past Living Worlds were not completely deleted. I want to replay them.

Josip.8267:

I love how op writes his post like he is stating facts.

My method of typing has a way of appearing like this… however consider my first post only in theory and it might make more sense no matter: Whether it is a full dungeon or not is not important in regards to my attempt to address the main issue of “short-term content”.

Tumult.2578:

What does it matter whether it’s temporary or not when my pets will die instantly to the AoEs? Oddly enough, every other character class doesn’t lose their main mechanic support in dungeons.

Just more time wasted on useless content instead of fixing the broken main mechanics.

Most interesting… never thought about this concept for pet classes. I play a Mesmer for example but the “pets” there are only supposed to exist short term. For Rangers I could see how the “I can heal myself of the toxin but not my pets”, and given the lack of AI to attempt to run from the AoE, would be a problem indeed.

You should make sure this problem is addressed in its own thread because it is very important for the players affected and clearly ArenaNet failed therefore.

Theres also a POI called the Tower if Nightmares so ….

Heinel.6548:

Valenthor.4052:

It will be a permanent dungeon, but you will have to sacrifice an already existing dungeon. Anet, the only MMO developer that removes content from their game.

Are people still seriously harping on about this?
All other MMOs phase out old content and leave them barren. Be glad Anet actually take the time to reclaim unused areas and make them new.

Thank you Anet for giving me less to do. Most Triple A MMOs revamp areas it isn’t anything we need to praise them for and bow at their feet. Also I should of denoted the only MMO to remove content one year off of release, as in not after SEVERAL expansions later.

Jamais vu.5284:

Valenthor.4052:

Anet, the only MMO developer that removes content from their game.

This is obviously your first MMO.

No it is not. I forgot to add the one year after release.

Blade Syphon.4325:

daemonlama.5413:

Valenthor.4052:

Anet, the only MMO developer that removes content from their game.

It is all perspective. Look at other mmo’s and how there is so much unused content. Everyone already been there and done that. Taking this tower for an example, they leave it in for 2-4 weeks. We spend those weeks playing the kitten out of it, then it goes away. That lends itself to give the LS a feeling of it being living. It was defeated, and now its it no longer exists.

It keeps things from getting boring and then ignored. Which we all know, happens with all content. They give it to us, take it away and give us something new, then some time down the road they give it back to us in an altered state to keep it fresh and interesting.

Or they could leave the content there permanent, scrap the entire notion that Living Story = Content must be removed, and give players more things to do than they can shake a stick at.

It’s actually painful at how fast people are to defend Anet’s idea that their Living Story concept of adding temporary content is somehow innovative and, even worst, a good, cool idea.

Yes, sometimes MMO Developers do remove content from the game when they feel it fits the storyline, but never to the extent that Anet does with each passing update. Think about it, if Anet actually left in the content (barring holidays, obviously) instead of constantly removing it, by now we would have had over a dozen new story missions, two full fledged new dungeons, a third mini-dungeon, an additional scalable dungeon with the Queen’s Jubilee, an entirely new meta-game they could have continued to add to with the Queen’s Gauntlet and Super Adventure Box, and an entirely new zone in the form of the Zepyhr Sanctum along with the Challenge Mission it came with. Not to mention the various new PvP modes/Activities they’ve added over the year as well that are no longer in the game.

Instead…we have Fractals of the Mist, WvW changes, a completely dead zone, a handful of rotating activities, and a revamped world boss no one does anymore.

Remind me again why the latter is better than the former?

I am going to save the crap out of this post.

when tuesday comes and it turns out to not be a dungeon.

l want all the temp dungeons back, aetherblade, molten alliance, i want them back ! ;; permanently TT

I don’t see why temp dungeons matter. I never see people doing the new TA path.

That’s because the new TA path is too long and too hard for the rewards it offers. Players always gravitate to parts of the game where they can get the most rewards for the least effort. ALWAYS.

it doesnt matter if its a dungeon or temporary content.. in the best scenario it will be a story mode dungeon.. 1 time and never comeback type of dungeon ..but i bet it is not even a dungeon…

…Indeed more temp content. No way this can be done in 2 weeks… even 4 weeks. Too much content and never enough time…

Indeed it is so…