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Posted by: Kaleban.9834

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Lets say you have no interest in the mini moto or princess.

That leaves 9 weapon skins at 50 bauble bubbles a piece.

Lets ignore Tribulation mode as an exercise in frustration, and say the average player can complete Worlds 1 and 2 once per day without a loss of too many lives or bubbles for bombs and the like (also a big stretch).

That means, account wide, you’re getting 12 Bubble Baubles from the chests per day. Which means over the course of 30 days and not taking into account the need by ANet to still fix a lot of the issues in SAB, that you’re only going to get 360 bubble baubles total. Now, you can add to that from transferring bubbles into baubles at the rate of 250:1, but in my personal experience so far, many bubbles are being used for bombs and slingshot, or health pots, extra lives, not to mention certain unforseen required upgrades like the 400 bubble torch.

Given that for the average player, World 2 is an exercise in facepalming frustration, its highly unlikely most will even come close to the 360 bubble bauble number above.

There are 9 new weapon skins. At 50 bubble baubles a piece, which means if you want just one of each to spread across your five or more characters, you need 450 bubble baubles. And that doesn’t take into account, say equipping a character like a Thief with dual daggers, or an Engy with dual pistols, etc.

So does ANet hate players? Introduce new, fun skins, but make them impossibly difficult to acquire. If you tack on that ANet made rewards account bound that removes the possibility of create/delete character farming, but they also made DIGGING account bound and decreased the number of baubles from SAB 1, which only had 7 skins available and kept the cost required the same!

I mean, why introduce content and new skins if you’re not really interested in the player completing/acquiring it?

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Posted by: Electro.4173

Electro.4173

Can always supplement what you can earn by buying off the TP (or getting lucky drops yourself, if you’re farming the whole month you’re likely to get a couple drops at least).

I don’t disagree that the once per day per account restriction and the number of skins is a bit prohibitive, though. Especially if you end up using some of your Bubbles for more continue coins or something.

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Posted by: RyanCid.9270

RyanCid.9270

You are not required to get all of the skins, are you?
Did you get all the Fused, Winter, Jade, Aether, Zodiac and champ skins?
Even though you probably wanted/many of those you just simply cant get all…
Hell even with zenith skins you have to choose a skin!!

I don’t know why some people QQ about not being able to get everything…
It’s not pokemon

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Posted by: Player Character.9467

Player Character.9467

I find it a little funny that the full run gets you 12 bubble baubles plus a few extra from baubles but a full run of TM is 1 weapon per day per world. Lol.

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You are not required to get all of the skins, are you?
Did you get all the Fused, Winter, Jade, Aether, Zodiac and champ skins?
Even though you probably wanted/many of those you just simply cant get all…
Hell even with zenith skins you have to choose a skin!!

I don’t know why some people QQ about not being able to get everything…
It’s not pokemon

Is the “you’re not required to…” your favorite type of argument? Because its not very applicable, as I pointed out in the other thread. Playing GW2 is a choice, content is designed to be played, skins/gear is the reward for that content, so intentionally making some content unattainable is flawed design. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure this out.

Also, your examples are flawed. Many of those are RNG items from a cash shop item (the BL chest) which are not in any way the same. As for Champ skins, well no I haven’t gotten the rapier yet, but the bandit champs aren’t being removed in 30 days either, are they?

As for Zenith skins, again with enough AP, it will eventually be possible to get them all, as well as both the Radiant and Hellfire skins. Not so with the SAB.

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Posted by: Luthan.5236

Luthan.5236

You aren’t supposed to get all the skins. I think you should choose 1 or 2 weapons you like most for your main or for 1 or 2 chars.

I don’t think they intended for everyone to buy everything 1 time. Of course if you want this it should take time to farm.

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Posted by: kekuso.5837

kekuso.5837

The skins are dropping pretty regularly from chests in SAB.

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Posted by: Ursan.7846

Ursan.7846

If you want all the skins, then of course you have to put in the appropriate amount of effort. This effort can be running the more difficult portion of SAB, or farming in the open world for gold (SAB weapon skins aren’t that expensive.)

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Posted by: stof.9341

stof.9341

The skins are dropping pretty regularly from chests in SAB.

That’s a new one. I never got a single skin drop in the first SAB run and I did open many chests :/

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Skins are purely cosmetic. I have less problems with them being a little expensive or hard to get.

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kekuso.5837

The skins are dropping pretty regularly from chests in SAB.

That’s a new one. I never got a single skin drop in the first SAB run and I did open many chests :/

The glorious chests at the end of each boss fight has a chance of dropping a skin. 3 of the 5 people in my party (including me!) got a skin from the first zone

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neon.4863

I’m a collector by heart, but I’ve run out of things to collect because the game insists on not allowing me to have a full collection of anything.

Can’t collect all minis because of the account bound Wintersday ones, and now the mysterious Mr. Sparkles one which you need to live somewhere specific for (or pay $700 on Ebay, apparently).

Can’t collect all skins because the majority of them are account bound, have an abysmal drop rate, are time gated and thus in limited quantity. (I got a full set of the original SAB skins, will not bother with a single skin this time.)

Can’t collect all event achievements because of how prohibitive some of the temporary ones are. Missed my first temp achieve during Dragon Bash (couldn’t be online for fireworks). Missed Liadri with 8 crystals because latency won’t let me beat her. Will not bother with the current SAB ones.

Event achievements were honestly the last thing in the game I still cared about collecting, since I couldn’t collect the cosmetic items, but now even those have become too unreasonable.

Unfortunately, the only way I found to enjoy the temporary content now is to stop caring about collecting. I would suggest you do the same, OP. :/

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Posted by: RyanCid.9270

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You are not required to get all of the skins, are you?
Did you get all the Fused, Winter, Jade, Aether, Zodiac and champ skins?
Even though you probably wanted/many of those you just simply cant get all…
Hell even with zenith skins you have to choose a skin!!

I don’t know why some people QQ about not being able to get everything…
It’s not pokemon

Is the “you’re not required to…” your favorite type of argument? Because its not very applicable, as I pointed out in the other thread. Playing GW2 is a choice, content is designed to be played, skins/gear is the reward for that content, so intentionally making some content unattainable is flawed design. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure this out.

Also, your examples are flawed. Many of those are RNG items from a cash shop item (the BL chest) which are not in any way the same. As for Champ skins, well no I haven’t gotten the rapier yet, but the bandit champs aren’t being removed in 30 days either, are they?

As for Zenith skins, again with enough AP, it will eventually be possible to get them all, as well as both the Radiant and Hellfire skins. Not so with the SAB.

“you’re not required to…” is all I need against these countless QQ-Threads when ppl worry about getting ALL the skins when they didn’t even clear W2.
Just because they calculated that theoretically it wouldn’t be possible…

Rarity makes Skins desirable. If everybody could get everything no skin would be worth kitten. “Meh I got that skin too”, “doesnt look good and only fills up my inv”, “rewards are kitten”, “better rewards anet!!” etcetc.

My examples are on point since they are all skins which are to a variable degree “hard” to obtain.
All zenith skins? Have fun grinding the 20k AP required for it.

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Posted by: cinemapaula.8673

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I just want the minipets, and its still a pain in the butt to farm for THAT even now… W1&2 (With the horrible to target Frog boss) – I used to play this on multiple characters. No point doing that anymore.

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Posted by: Kaleban.9834

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You aren’t supposed to get all the skins. I think you should choose 1 or 2 weapons you like most for your main or for 1 or 2 chars.

I don’t think they intended for everyone to buy everything 1 time. Of course if you want this it should take time to farm.

First of all, with the account bound once a day digs and chests, you really can’t farm. Second, isn’t “gateway-ing” the skins counter intuitive to running alt characters? Which is then counter intuitive to purchasing alternate character slots?

The skins are dropping pretty regularly from chests in SAB.

Done World 1 and 2 Normal since since yesterday, no skin drops. So no, its not regular, its not at all. I’m not even interested in making money off Rare SAB skins on the TP, I simply want to be able to acquire the account bound green skins for my characters.

If you want all the skins, then of course you have to put in the appropriate amount of effort. This effort can be running the more difficult portion of SAB, or farming in the open world for gold (SAB weapon skins aren’t that expensive.)

So rather than do the content, do repetitive grind and buy it off the TP. I thought this wasn’t Grind Wars 2? Can you grind champ chests and then go buy all the CoF skins? No, you have to do the content. This is not consistent.

Skins are purely cosmetic. I have less problems with them being a little expensive or hard to get.

Why is it ok for them to be harder (or impossible) to acquire if they have no appreciable effect on gameplay? SAB skins aren’t Legendaries, but over a given time frame may actually be more difficult to acquire due to the content being temporary. I’m not saying everyone should get them for free upon login, I’m saying that if players are willing to put in the time and effort, then you should be able to gear up an entire account full of characters in SAB skins if that’s your wish. With time gating and account bound rewards, its not difficult, its technically impossible.

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“you’re not required to…” is all I need against these countless QQ-Threads when ppl worry about getting ALL the skins when they didn’t even clear W2.
Just because they calculated that theoretically it wouldn’t be possible…

Simple math pal. 9 skins = 450 bubble baubles, which in getting the reward chests at the end of each zone every day for 30 days only nets 360. To get the other 90 baubles would require farming 22,500 bubbles and converting them, to the exclusion of everything else. Which I don’t believe with account gating is technically possible either. Not theory, cold hard math.

Rarity makes Skins desirable. If everybody could get everything no skin would be worth kitten. “Meh I got that skin too”, “doesnt look good and only fills up my inv”, “rewards are kitten”, “better rewards anet!!” etcetc.

Account Bound skins via baubles can’t be traded, so market rarity and value are irrelevant. If its kitten you’re worried about, well I don’t really care about my characters’ looks compared to other people, I simply like the way they look. I guess I’m not as shallow as some…

My examples are on point since they are all skins which are to a variable degree “hard” to obtain.
All zenith skins? Have fun grinding the 20k AP required for it.

There’s a difference between difficult and functionally impossible. And its quite a significant difference. Therefore your examples are not in any way applicable. Sorry.

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Posted by: RyanCid.9270

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Lol Kaleban you are simply being unreasonable or just love to troll and QQ.

- So chest wont drop regulary just because YOU didn’t get anything on the first 2 days? There is someone who recently posted 3 of their 5 man party got drops during a W1 run. According to THAT one rune the drop rate would be 60%.

- People complain about everything being account-bound so anet makes em TP-able. BUT then again other ppl like you complain about everything being buyable. Who should anet please/prioritize then?

- It’s only possible for the skin to be a hard-to-get rarity BECAUSE they have no effect on gameplay. You don’t get a legendary for some 20-30 more attack stats. YOU GET THEM FOR THE SKIN. thats why they cost a kittening fortune

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Posted by: Ursan.7846

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So rather than do the content, do repetitive grind and buy it off the TP. I thought this wasn’t Grind Wars 2? Can you grind champ chests and then go buy all the CoF skins? No, you have to do the content. This is not consistent.

Gold gives options to people who don’t want to do the content but still want the rewards. Crafting skins, for example, are readily accessible to those who don’t like crafting. Yes, there are account-bound skins. There’s also a plethora of non-account-bound skins, Legendaries chief amongst them.

It’s similar here. If you don’t wish to do World 2, then gold is there as an option for you. Even earning gold is pretty varied if you don’t like repetition. Do multiple dungeon paths. CoF 1/2, SE 1/3, AC 1/3, CoE 1/2/3, are all easy paths done in under 20 minutes. Each gives you up to ~1G50s (2G for AC) from loot/gold drops. Do World Event bosses. Each is guaranteed a rare, which is around 30s now, on top of all the greens/blues. You can usually fit in ~6-8 world events in an hour depending on how lucky you are. Farm champs a bit in Frostgorge, that’s pretty self-explanatory. Craft things with skill points and sell them for profit. Do invasions when they pop up.

Gold gives you options. More options are always good.

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I agree, OP, and don’t understand the contradiction on their official website. From the official website release notes:

Rewards

  • Collect Bauble Bubbles to complete the blue Super skin weapon set. Gather ingredients in World 1 Tribulation Mode to create green Super skins or World 2 Tribulation Mode to create yellow Super skins.
  • Players can only receive rewards from dig spots and the reward chests found at the end of each zone once per account per day.

Release notes

They want us to complete our set but they took away our rich source of farming (world 1 zone 2 used to be very excellent in quickly farming baubles and is how I completed the first batch of blue SAB skins back in April).

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Posted by: RyanCid.9270

RyanCid.9270

Simple math pal. 9 skins = 450 bubble baubles, which in getting the reward chests at the end of each zone every day for 30 days only nets 360. To get the other 90 baubles would require farming 22,500 bubbles and converting them, to the exclusion of everything else. Which I don’t believe with account gating is technically possible either. Not theory, cold hard math.

Apparently you didn’t get my implication of “Theoretically calculation”. I haven’t said anything about it being possible.

Account Bound skins via baubles can’t be traded, so market rarity and value are irrelevant. If its kitten you’re worried about, well I don’t really care about my characters’ looks compared to other people, I simply like the way they look. I guess I’m not as shallow as some…

Quit throwing straw man arguments in. I never mentioned market value. Imagine following: Each super skin costs 1 bubble. Everyone would be happy everyone has got them. But they wouldn’t be “cool” at all since there is no exclusivity. Skin concept = failed

All Zenith Skin = functionally impossible (highest players have around 12k AP)
All Black lion chests skins = I’ll leave the amount of gems required for this up to your imagination
All Super skins = per cold hard math impossible
You see any difference? I don’t

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Posted by: raahk.2786

raahk.2786

You forgot to mention how baubles are nearly non-existent in world 2, and how they nerfed the amount of baubles you get from digging in every world. Probably to make it so players will feel as if they need the infinite continue coin, especially to proceed through tribulation mode.

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RyanCid.9270

I agree, OP, and don’t understand the contradiction on their official website. From the official website release notes:

Rewards

  • Collect Bauble Bubbles to complete the blue Super skin weapon set. Gather ingredients in World 1 Tribulation Mode to create green Super skins or World 2 Tribulation Mode to create yellow Super skins.
  • Players can only receive rewards from dig spots and the reward chests found at the end of each zone once per account per day.

Release notes

They want us to complete our set but they took away our rich source of farming (world 1 zone 2 used to be very excellent in quickly farming baubles and is how I completed the first batch of blue SAB skins back in April).

The warrior has the biggest weapon arsenal in this game.
Which are 11 weapons – Hammer, GS, Rifle, Longbow, Axe, Sword, Mac, Shield, Warhorn, Harpoon, Spear
Harpoon and Spear are not covered which leaves 9 Weapons.
4 Of the 9 Weapons were covered in the first SAB living story – GS, Sword, Shield, Longbow
Which leaves us with 5 weapons to farm this event.

I don’t see any problem completing a weapon set.

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Lol Kaleban you are simply being unreasonable or just love to troll and QQ.

- So chest wont drop regulary just because YOU didn’t get anything on the first 2 days? There is someone who recently posted 3 of their 5 man party got drops during a W1 run. According to THAT one rune the drop rate would be 60%.

You obviously don’t understand statistical distribution. Fine we’ll move on from this point, there’s no way I could use facts to sway your opinion.

- People complain about everything being account-bound so anet makes em TP-able. BUT then again other ppl like you complain about everything being buyable. Who should anet please/prioritize then?

Again, they won’t all be buyable, not given the significantly decreased bauble acquisition. Second, ANet did both, making both a TP-able Rare and a buyable Account Bound, so ANet is catering to both. The issue becomes for those who aren’t favored by RNG statistical distribution, the ability to acquire the Accoun Bound versions is arbitrarily limited.

- It’s only possible for the skin to be a hard-to-get rarity BECAUSE they have no effect on gameplay. You don’t get a legendary for some 20-30 more attack stats. YOU GET THEM FOR THE SKIN. thats why they cost a kittening fortune

Well, that was partially true until the patch, where Legendaries can be altered on the fly. Technically, no skin has an effect on gameplay, in fact the effects of some Legendaries might actually make situational awareness more difficult. But your concept of rarity is flawed. If everyone buys the Greatsword, and no one the Staff for example, then the Staff isn’t rare, it simply wouldn’t exist in game. The rarity is artificially induced, rather than that of a natural progression that Legendaries take.

Over a given amount of time, every player will get a Legendary. Does that mean yours are devalued? Yes, but only if you’re conceited and shallow and desire the ego boost from time stamped pixels.

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Apparently you didn’t get my implication of “Theoretically calculation”. I haven’t said anything about it being possible.

Then you don’t understand the point of the thread, and certainly have no idea what a straw man argument is.

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Posted by: Dark Jericho.8609

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The warrior has the biggest weapon arsenal in this game.
Which are 11 weapons – Hammer, GS, Rifle, Longbow, Axe, Sword, Mac, Shield, Warhorn, Harpoon, Spear
Harpoon and Spear are not covered which leaves 9 Weapons.
4 Of the 9 Weapons were covered in the first SAB living story – GS, Sword, Shield, Longbow
Which leaves us with 5 weapons to farm this event.

I don’t see any problem completing a weapon set.

Grasping for straws. They clearly mean the entire SAB blue skinned weapons set. No where does it say class specific.

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Posted by: RyanCid.9270

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You obviously don’t understand statistical distribution. Fine we’ll move on from this point, there’s no way I could use facts to sway your opinion.

You are confusing statistic with RNG here. You can’t apply statistic with a sample size of 1 (you) or 2(days you have farmed). But I’m fine with dropping this point.

Again, they won’t all be buyable, not given the significantly decreased bauble acquisition. Second, ANet did both, making both a TP-able Rare and a buyable Account Bound, so ANet is catering to both. The issue becomes for those who aren’t favored by RNG statistical distribution, the ability to acquire the Accoun Bound versions is arbitrarily limited.

So whats your problem again?

A rarity artificially induced is still the rarity the normal average User faces. If 99% buy the Greatsword and 1% buys the Staff. The staff automatically becomes skin thats more rare than the greatsword. You will see 99-times more people in LA with the greatsword skin hereby inducing an awareness that the greatsword skin is actually common, despite being the same price.

As for the ego part. I’m not gonna go into that discussion because it’s simply based on principles of gaming and personal opinion. I don’t see any point arguing there. IMO most ppl play to display their achievements through shiny/rare skins or titles and feel a sense of pride, which their concept of fun. People who play for fun and are not “shallow” per your definition simply wont bother with skins as it is a grinding progress.

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Posted by: RyanCid.9270

RyanCid.9270

The warrior has the biggest weapon arsenal in this game.
Which are 11 weapons – Hammer, GS, Rifle, Longbow, Axe, Sword, Mac, Shield, Warhorn, Harpoon, Spear
Harpoon and Spear are not covered which leaves 9 Weapons.
4 Of the 9 Weapons were covered in the first SAB living story – GS, Sword, Shield, Longbow
Which leaves us with 5 weapons to farm this event.

I don’t see any problem completing a weapon set.

Grasping for straws. They clearly mean the entire SAB blue skinned weapons set. No where does it say class specific.

Oh do you have 8 lv 80 toons of each profession? so that you need the entire skin set currently avaible? Too bad for you then.
Ironically you are accusing me of using straw while stating yourself “they clearly mean thisandthat…” do you have any quotes/calculations/insider-news to back your straw man up?

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You are confusing statistic with RNG here. You can’t apply statistic with a sample size of 1 (you) or 2(days you have farmed). But I’m fine with dropping this point.

Obviously the sample size is not large enough. I’m not confused. I’m countering the contention that because one guy saw three dropped in one run that the drop rate is “working as intended.”

So whats your problem again?

IMO most ppl play to display their achievements through shiny/rare skins or titles and feel a sense of pride, which their concept of fun. People who play for fun and are not “shallow” per your definition simply wont bother with skins as it is a grinding progress.

Most people play to have fun. What they consider fun is personal. More than one person has Eternity, more than one has Bifrost, etc., etc. Does that decrease the pleasure those players get from having one? If so, then they got it for the wrong reasons.

I want to have a Legendary some day, and I’m taking my sweet time. When I get it, will I instantly join the ranks of the 1337? Do I care? Will my joining said ranks devalue the rest who got there months ago? Do I care? You are making the simple mistake of combining self-absorbed ego with trying to define aesthetic rarity. Its a failing many who define themselves via an online persona fall prey to. And its patently ridiculous, and frankly juvenile.

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Thats why I don’t want to argue about such things since its meaningless discussion. You see it as “failing”. In my eyes it’s simply “passion”. There is a reason for online personas in MMORPG. (I’d even go as far as to say online personas are THE reason for MMORPG to exist).

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Oh do you have 8 lv 80 toons of each profession? so that you need the entire skin set currently avaible? Too bad for you then.
Ironically you are accusing me of using straw while stating yourself “they clearly mean thisandthat…” do you have any quotes/calculations/insider-news to back your straw man up?

Again, they made no mentioned of profession specific weapon sets that you mentioned in your previous post. I’m not grasping at straws when it clearly states “Collect Bauble Bubbles to complete the blue Super skin weapon set.”, you are with this “profession weapon set” nonsense.

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Oh do you have 8 lv 80 toons of each profession? so that you need the entire skin set currently avaible? Too bad for you then.
Ironically you are accusing me of using straw while stating yourself “they clearly mean thisandthat…” do you have any quotes/calculations/insider-news to back your straw man up?

Again, they made no mentioned of profession specific weapon sets that you mentioned in your previous post. I’m not grasping at straws when it clearly states “Collect Bauble Bubbles to complete the blue Super skin weapon set.”, you are with this “profession weapon set” nonsense.

So you are just blindly collecting every weapon even though you can only use half of them then? Like I said, Too bad for you then.

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Posted by: Dark Jericho.8609

Dark Jericho.8609

What’s wrong with collecting weapons skins for future use for my alts, going along with again, what the release notes states, “completing the super blue skin weapon set”?

You don’t want nor care to collect all of them via bauble farming, so no one else should?

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Posted by: Kaleban.9834

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Thats why I don’t want to argue about such things since its meaningless discussion. You see it as “failing”. In my eyes it’s simply “passion”. There is a reason for online personas in MMORPG. (I’d even go as far as to say online personas are THE reason for MMORPG to exist).

There is a finite number of skins and combinations thereof that while large, means I’ve seen unintentional twins before. As the player base expands, this will occur more often.

Again, a simple question, does someone else having a Legendary, the same as you might have, detract from its aesthetic value? Does someone having an AC greatsword at night while I also have one make my enjoyment of it any less? If the answer to either is yes, then you also don’t understand how aesthetics work, and are confusing it with personal ego being wrapped up in a game.

But this argument is irrelevant to the main point, that introducing content that is designed to be impossible to complete, despite their own press releases to the contrary is stupid. How does one “complete” a set of skins when the Rares are RNG and cannot be guaranteed, and the amount of rewards required for one to personally grind out are numerically impossible?

If you say “you don’t have to…” then your argument is based on circular logic and immediately invalid. I’ll save you the embarassment and just point out that time and resource allocation to content development means that it is financially sound to ensure the largest possible segment of the player base has access. Designing frustrating challenges and impossible reward structures does not follow successful design methodology.

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Posted by: RyanCid.9270

RyanCid.9270

I never said anything about whoever should or should not I was just saying that I don’t care and it’s too bad for you since it’s obviously not possible to get everything lol

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Posted by: Dark Jericho.8609

Dark Jericho.8609

I never said anything about whoever should or should not I was just saying that I don’t care and it’s too bad for you since it’s obviously not possible to get everything lol

Hence the reason for the very existence of this thread. For someone who doesn’t care, you sure made a lot of posts in this thread. There’s nothing wrong with the OP and myself wanting a reason from ArenaNet about their apparent contradicting stance on collecting the remnants of the blue super skin weapon skin set.

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Posted by: RyanCid.9270

RyanCid.9270

Thats why I don’t want to argue about such things since its meaningless discussion. You see it as “failing”. In my eyes it’s simply “passion”. There is a reason for online personas in MMORPG. (I’d even go as far as to say online personas are THE reason for MMORPG to exist).

There is a finite number of skins and combinations thereof that while large, means I’ve seen unintentional twins before. As the player base expands, this will occur more often.

Again, a simple question, does someone else having a Legendary, the same as you might have, detract from its aesthetic value? Does someone having an AC greatsword at night while I also have one make my enjoyment of it any less? If the answer to either is yes, then you also don’t understand how aesthetics work, and are confusing it with personal ego being wrapped up in a game.

But this argument is irrelevant to the main point, that introducing content that is designed to be impossible to complete, despite their own press releases to the contrary is stupid. How does one “complete” a set of skins when the Rares are RNG and cannot be guaranteed, and the amount of rewards required for one to personally grind out are numerically impossible?

If you say “you don’t have to…” then your argument is based on circular logic and immediately invalid. I’ll save you the embarassment and just point out that time and resource allocation to content development means that it is financially sound to ensure the largest possible segment of the player base has access. Designing frustrating challenges and impossible reward structures does not follow successful design methodology.

Thank you but no thanks. I don’t know who you think you are to lecture others about their sense of aesthetics. To me it looks like you are simply forcing your own values onto others which is just hypocritical.

Since I know you will kindly save me from any embarassment my forum account will suffer. I’ll put it bluntly and hit the sack afterwards. Anet is doing a good job which reflects on their revenue and the state of this game.

QQers, noisy casuals and haters will always come to the forum to voice their obviously better ideas with their superior knowledge which surpasses a team of managers who successfully run a company. Hence I like to stand against ppl like you and simply have a provocative argument where I have nothing to lose and only amusement to enjoy.

(Obligatory “umad?”)

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Posted by: RyanCid.9270

RyanCid.9270

I never said anything about whoever should or should not I was just saying that I don’t care and it’s too bad for you since it’s obviously not possible to get everything lol

Hence the reason for the very existence of this thread. For someone who doesn’t care, you sure made a lot of posts in this thread. There’s nothing wrong with the OP and myself wanting a reason from ArenaNet about their apparent contradicting stance on collecting the remnants of the blue super skin weapon skin set.

Let’s say I’m just bored and love me some QQ about things that won’t change anyway

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Ursan.7846

it’s obviously not possible to get everything lol

What? It’s obviously possible to obtain all the skins. Why are we completely ignoring the ability to purchase the skins from the TP?

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Kaleban.9834

I never said anything about whoever should or should not I was just saying that I don’t care and it’s too bad for you since it’s obviously not possible to get everything lol

The ironic thing of course being that at the flip of the proverbial switch, the old skins can be up for purchase as well as the account binding being removed so that all players can enjoy the content as they see fit.

But that doesn’t cater to the vocal elite crowd who need their virtual backpack’s uniqueness preserved does it?

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RyanCid.9270

it’s obviously not possible to get everything lol

What? It’s obviously possible to obtain all the skins. Why are we completely ignoring the ability to purchase the skins from the TP?

Touché.
You can just buy everything you want off the TP:) see? no need to QQ here

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Kaleban.9834

it’s obviously not possible to get everything lol

What? It’s obviously possible to obtain all the skins. Why are we completely ignoring the ability to purchase the skins from the TP?

Low drop rate, potential for trade up to the player, means low availability on the TP, coupled with the time limit on SAB, all make for an unreliable source. When the simple ability to bring back the full set of skins as well as removing the account binding on bubble farming is likely the flip of a switch, and would make many more players happy than elitists dismayed over the “devaluation” of their glowy backpacks.

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Ursan.7846

Low drop rate, potential for trade up to the player, means low availability on the TP, coupled with the time limit on SAB, all make for an unreliable source. When the simple ability to bring back the full set of skins as well as removing the account binding on bubble farming is likely the flip of a switch, and would make many more players happy than elitists dismayed over the “devaluation” of their glowy backpacks.

http://www.gw2spidy.com/search/super?rarity_filter=4&min_level=&max_level=

I don’t understand your point. Previously available Super skins such as the Shortbow can be obtained for a price of 4G, despite it being not available since April.

How is the TP unreliable? You spend money, you get your item. Very reliable.

Regardless. The statement that the entire set of skins are impossible to collect is utterly false. It’s very possible to obtain the entire weapon set.

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Posted by: Dark Jericho.8609

Dark Jericho.8609

it’s obviously not possible to get everything lol

What? It’s obviously possible to obtain all the skins. Why are we completely ignoring the ability to purchase the skins from the TP?

We’re not, it’s just that the release notes states we can complete the remaining skins set via bauble bubbles, but then limits our farming capabilities to the point where we cannot get them via bauble bubbles alone.

I will most likely purchase the remaining skins I cannot obtain from bauble collecting, as I enjoy the particular art for this set, but it’s lame I have to resort to that when the first release let me farm at my leisire to get account bound skins.

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Ursan.7846

We’re not, it’s just that the release notes states we can complete the remaining skins set via bauble bubbles, but then limits our farming capabilities to the point where we cannot get them via bauble bubbles alone.

You take patch notes way too literally.

But I can interpret the patch notes literally too. I just purchased the entire skins for bauble bubbles. Which I had saved from April. I see no contradiction, they never state the bauble bubbles must be farmed from this patch.

Regardless. The devs, when they typed it, obviously does not expect a majority of their playerbase to actually try to obtain the entire weapon set. And those who want to, it’s still possible for them.

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Posted by: Kaleban.9834

Kaleban.9834

http://www.gw2spidy.com/search/super?rarity_filter=4&min_level=&max_level=

I don’t understand your point. Previously available Super skins such as the Shortbow can be obtained for a price of 4G, despite it being not available since April.

How is the TP unreliable? You spend money, you get your item. Very reliable.

Regardless. The statement that the entire set of skins are impossible to collect is utterly false. It’s very possible to obtain the entire weapon set.

And what happens when the supply of, say the Super Sword skin which right now on the TP is at 189 is gone? I’m guessing you don’t understand how reliability factors into supply and demand.

And once the supply is gone, then it literally becomes impossible. Unless your argument implies that GW2 content should only be accessible by the limited, privileged few? Then your logic would make sense, but is a horrible design choice for fun games.

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Kaleban.9834

But I can interpret the patch notes literally too. I just purchased the entire skins for bauble bubbles. Which I had saved from April. I see no contradiction, they never state the bauble bubbles must be farmed from this patch.

And for those who just bought the game? Screw them right? They don’t deserve the opportunity to enjoy content because they’re total noobs.

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Ursan.7846

And what happens when the supply of, say the Super Sword skin which right now on the TP is at 189 is gone?

Sell orders =/supply.

And it hasn’t happened since April.

http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/41958

I mean, look at that. Unreliable? Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Regardless. I’m not sure what your point is, really. The quote I replied to…

it’s obviously not possible to get everything lol

Is obviously wrong.

EDIT: Also, it seems we have very different definitions of content. I don’t consider cosmetics as “content.”

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Posted by: Dark Jericho.8609

Dark Jericho.8609

You take patch notes way too literally.

But I can interpret the patch notes literally too. I just purchased the entire skins for bauble bubbles. Which I had saved from April. I see no contradiction, they never state the bauble bubbles must be farmed from this patch.

Regardless. The devs, when they typed it, obviously does not expect a majority of their playerbase to actually try to obtain the entire weapon set. And those who want to, it’s still possible for them.

Too literally. Okay. So they can put any nonsense they want in the release notes and no one should take the notes literally at all, and just ignore them. Righty-O.

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Ursan.7846

Too literally. Okay. So they can put any nonsense they want in the release notes and no one should take the notes literally at all, and just ignore them. Righty-O.

There’s quite the distinction between “Not taking things too literally” and “Completely ignoring them.”

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Kaleban.9834

I mean, look at that. Unreliable? Not by any stretch of the imagination.

EDIT: Also, it seems we have very different definitions of content. I don’t consider cosmetics as “content.”

If it can’t be reasonably acquired by everyone then it is unreliable. You must not know what a definition is if for you actual meanings of words are so fluid. Content is stuff in the game, which includes skins. Seeing as how its been asserted that the endgame is stuff like Legendaries, then absolutely cosmetic upgrades class as content.

So just because you don’t agree with a definition doesn’t mean you’re right. Words have specific meanings, if you can’t agree on that then you’re not actually participating an an adult conversation and are speaking gibberish.