Guild Wars 2

So after 12 hours of frustrating in Crab Toss Ive done all achievments (I am achievment hunter so yes I must do them all I never miss any achiev or daily) include incredibly annoying Crabtacular (I am glad I met few people in one arena like me who want do the same so we bypass that madness and do achieve in peace and quiet for all of us). And after that I decide dont come back to that Minishame or even to Cove almost 1000 years.. Then I saw daily… First day I hope that win will be there only for first day but someone decide opposite.
Please remove it from daily because its not fun and I dont want turn off game after daily because I am so frustrated like today.

Well, what they always say, and its true, is that you chose your dailies. They don’t really make special cases for people who do everything because a lot of people wont go that far.

Yeah, but there’s only so many dailies to choose from, and when Crab Toss is taking up one of the slots every day, it makes your daily harder because there’s fewer (non-BS) options to choose from.

As I said – I do them all because achievment points.

Its easy and takes one game to get that done lol.

I agree with you here Rozbuska, they should move it to the PvP daily category. Especially since it’s taking up a spot in the regular daily’s like DaMunky said.

I see where you’re coming from. I really do. Crab Toss is a godawful minigame. Just terrible in so many ways. But, asking ANet to remove it from the dailies seems pretty needy. Just don’t do it. Pretend it’s in the PvP section.

Fantastic. It’s actually an achievement.

Keep it.

I also try to do every daily achievement every day. I would prefer not to have to win a game, but I can kind of see why they put it there. Although maybe alternatively they could change it to something like “play 3 games of crab toss” instead of making you win.

DaMunky.6302:

Yeah, but there’s only so many dailies to choose from, and when Crab Toss is taking up one of the slots every day, it makes your daily harder because there’s fewer (non-BS) options to choose from.

Not true. If people took the time to count instead of immediately coming and crying on the forums they would notice that there is in fact 11 dailies to choose from now, one more than the 10 before the patch. If you ignore the crab toss achieve you have the same amount of dailies to do as usual, if not you have more options. Nothing really to complain about here.

Woodsman.3461:

DaMunky.6302:

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Not true. If people took the time to count instead of immediately coming and crying on the forums they would notice that there is in fact 11 dailies to choose from now, one more than the 10 before the patch. If you ignore the crab toss achieve you have the same amount of dailies to do as usual, if not you have more options. Nothing really to complain about here.

Huh! I retract my complaint then. I wasn’t able to count before I made my last post, because I mostly visit these forums when I’m at work, during my lunch break.

geekanerd.4123:

I see where you’re coming from. I really do. Crab Toss is a godawful minigame. Just terrible in so many ways. But, asking ANet to remove it from the dailies seems pretty needy. Just don’t do it. Pretend it’s in the PvP section.

I agree, Crab Toss is the buggiest, laggiest experience I’ve ever had. In terms of lag, and non-responsiveness it easily rivals Guild Wars 2 at release date.

I found crab toss to be the Least enjoyable of everything in gw2. The teams are way too big. Allow us to choose teams like in hot-join pvp where we can see team size would improve it.
Also daily win? With the team sizes and ppl occationally setting the match (1-2 helpers helping a mate to win) it’s close to hopeless. Perhaps participate in x matches. Wins work well with a team, but in a solo discipline against loads of ppl, it doesn’t work
Deeply frustrated to see this a part of daily so often. I enjoy doing all dailies, pvp and pve (even the 2 tournament wins previously) but this is just ridiculous

The pvp changes to daily were set back, presumably for taking too long/being too hard, but you could do all the dailies in pvp in less than half the time it realistically takes to win a match of crab toss

Rozbuska.5263:

Then I saw daily… First day I hope that win will be there only for first day but someone decide opposite.
Please remove it from daily because its not fun and I dont want turn off game after daily because I am so frustrated like today.

AGREE

I SAW THIS AGAIN DAILY TODAY, I SIGH DEEPLY.

I HATE TO PLAY THIS ANYMORE.

Yeah i agree with the general feeling here, why push this stupid minigame so hard, seriously, 3 days in a row of crab toss champion, that’s BS man…

It’s always interesting to me when content like this becomes a horrible experience. By tying achievement points to it, it no longer feels optional for people who care about achievement points. These people will play crab toss unhappily for hours to jump through the hoops and grind out the requirements ArenaNet set for them, regardless of how little they enjoy it. It makes me wonder when I play crab toss, how many of these people want to be here? How many people are actually enjoying the game? How many of them are only here to get the achievements and would have never suffered through it without that tiny carrot on a stick? It’s amazing how conditioned MMOs have made people and yet GW2 is still very good at continuing that trend.

If there is one thing GW2 has changed how I think about MMOs, it’s that I no longer believe MMOs can cater to people who want a game that just offers people an enjoyable experience. It’s so ingrained to the MMO design that players need rewards or carrots to create pressure to experience content – when the developer wants them to experience it. The developers don’t have confidence that a mini game they create will be compelling enough or enjoyable enough to have a healthy population to play it, so they only make it available for a small window of time and they throw in achievement points to herd the conditioned achievers to grind away at regardless of whether they are having fun or not.

How long before dailies and achievement points are no longer just supplementing fun, they are replacing it? Posts like these ones show that it’s happening for people already.

7 hours without a single win worst thing is that whenever I quit a team and rejoin the game throws me right in with the same team.
Would at least make it more endurable if you could blacklist players you really did not want to be on team with (for me, the players who keep on joining after winning once)

ANET: Stop.

This isn’t fun for 95% of the AP players. Again, STOP!

Change the daily to games played, or cab snags, or anything but what you’ve been doing. This is nothing but a zergtard mini game. It’s crap.

You should feel bad for placing this steaming pile of a game mode in GW2.

….hell winning the match is crap reward too. Congrats! You’ve won 5 karka shells…and some greens!

In case you’ve missed it, ANET….STAHP!!!!!

Can’t +1 this enough.

Simple fix. Practice. Get better at crab toss. Daily is easy. If i can win every single match i go into then you can win 1/3 if you tried. If you lag alot im sorry.

Probably the worst event yet , this crabtoss. Im amazed some people like it.. oh well carebearing all the way.. i guess

There’s 8 ppl in a match, which means assuming no lag and equal skill 1/8th chance of a win for each match. A match takes about 6 minutes average. So based on that, how many matches for a 90% chance of a win?

Now add in lag to the point of freezing up every 10-15s. There seems to just be no possible way to win when playing the game this way.

Aria.5940:

There’s 8 ppl in a match, which means assuming no lag and equal skill 1/8th chance of a win for each match. A match takes about 6 minutes average. So based on that, how many matches for a 90% chance of a win?

Now add in lag to the point of freezing up every 10-15s. There seems to just be no possible way to win when playing the game this way.

I think the answer is 18, I love math <3

Anet’s Crap toss win again in the daily.

Stop it.

I love Crab Toss, and I can easily get the achievement in 1 – 3 games. Aside from the people who are die-hard completionists, however, I don’t understand why people are complaining about it. It’s one of 11 (previously 10) achievements you can complete to get your Daily, and I, for one, appreciate having the extra option available instead of having to do Dungeons/WvW.

Anybody on the top tiers of the AP leaderboard is forced to get every point available in the daily.

Forcing them to play this broken game type for a win is wrong.

Oh, right. I forgot that the leaderboards were out now. (Seriously, I forgot they even existed.) Well, that’s the price you have to pay for keeping at the top of the leaderboard, isn’t it? There has to be some way for the competitors to pull ahead, otherwise you’d just have 10 or so people with lockstep scores sharing the #1 spot forever.

That’s exactly what’s happening.

When Anet took out the ability to work on repeatable AP tracks (like dungeon hobbyist), they stalemated/stagnated the leaderboard.

That’s why every point counts in a daily.

This is why they call you achievement w..well you know the rest. Seriously, complaining about something like this is a tad ridiculous.

It really is not hard to win the game, and a lot of the time you have groups bypassing the ‘rules’ and just letting each-other win so they can get those precious achievement points. Similar to ‘plz port me to top of jp’ but worse, as doing ‘cooperative’ play in crab toss just ruins the game for the people who are actually competing.

This is the underlying issue of the achievement system for me. I’m a person who did all of them legit so far, and am no different from those who cheated to get theirs.

The time put in (without cheesing/cheating) outweighs the 1 AP.

I realize the fustration here, I get home from work everyday and end up having to do this for myself and my girlfriend too. Luckily I win 1/2 the time but for those that don’t and are achievement seekers I can understand how horrible it is having the same one every day. This is how Anet wants it however and it does make sense, and there is some good to this. Certain players will be able to obtain rank 1 achievements by being better players than others and well… achieveing it… if they made all 10 dailies so simple it would in a sense defeat the purpose. I agree it shouldn’t be on there EVERYDAY but I don’t think it should go away completely.

Deal with it. Shouldn’t be wasting time past enough achievement points for your daily anywho, literally nothing more than a number by your name. And this is coming from someone with just under 7k AP. If you wanna fight to have that number be the highest, than you better be ready to deal with the stuff Anet throws at you.

Me? I love it. I win the first or second game every time, because I’m not bad. Grab crab, dodge twice when players get near / if someone tries to plank, dash across map (preferably through rolling karka), repeat until time is up. I got ~250 points on my one game today, and it’ll likely happen again tomorrow. Easy daily is easy.

Crab Toss is pvp, so moving it to daily pvp category as optional achievement would solve all problems.

Phoenix.7845:

Crab Toss is pvp, so moving it to daily pvp category as optional achievement would solve all problems.

It wouldn’t solve anything, achievement seekers do those aswell, people are upset having to do the same one every day but it’s no different then having to win tournaments against premades if your playing alone (guess it’s why they removed it, to many people crying about it) I just dealt with it personally.

it’s just a pathetic attempt to get people to do this crappy bad planned mini game.

Pretty sure you dont get achieve points for any extra daily categories you complete after the 5 needed for daily.

Besides crab toss is easy lol. Havent lost a single match except for when i first tried the game.

spoj.9672:

Pretty sure you dont get achieve points for any extra daily categories you complete after the 5 needed for daily.

I’m pretty sure you do. But capping achievement points at 5 per dailies would be a nice idea.

Phoenix.7845:

spoj.9672:

Pretty sure you dont get achieve points for any extra daily categories you complete after the 5 needed for daily.

I’m pretty sure you do. But capping achievement points at 5 per dailies would be a nice idea.

Well ive had my daily done before and it never gave me more achieve points on the extra categories. Even though it counted as more than 5 ap’s on the daily tab. Could of been a bug i guess.

spoj.9672:

Well ive had my daily done before and it never gave me more achieve points on the extra categories. Even though it counted as more than 5 ap’s on the daily tab. Could of been a bug i guess.

If I won’t forget I’ll do some extra today and see if I get points.

I tried it today but had to do the WvW ones so i dont actually know if it worked cause i gained 3 achieve points while doing just 1 category. Will test more carefully tonight after reset. I definately had a day or two where it didnt give extra, but that was about a month or two ago.

I agree that Crab Toss is not fun, and I was tempted to request that ANet remove it from the dailies, too. However, after talking to my guildies, there are people out there love it. It’s no different from the keg brawl dailies, which some people love, and some hate.

As a fellow achievement monger, I like doing as many of the dailies as I can, too, but if you’re that frustrated with the crab toss game, then you need to reevaluate if that single achievement point is worth the annoyance.

EDIT: I agree that the activities that involve player vs player should not be included in the PvE daily categories, including WvW, Keg Brawl, and Crab Toss.

Stop the press!

Yet another day that the crap toss win is in the daily. Go Anet! You’re super special.

Expect crab toss to be a daily every day for at least the first week. It’s to promote the game and get people playing it. It’s somewhat surprising that they haven’t changed it to something like getting a top category or grabbing 10 times or something (simply for something different), but I’m guessing they’re doing it on purpose since only one person can win, meaning everyone else has to play that much longer. It already gets dead at night, where I commonly get into the same game over and over (I leave after every game so they don’t get upset).

Complaining about being on the top of the leaderboards and not wanting to do crab toss is a pretty silly complaint however. If you want to be on top, you have to put in the effort. If you can’t do something as easily as crab toss, you’re obviously not a top player, so don’t expect to stay there.

It wouldn’t make sense to put crab toss under the PvP dailies because those dailies are reserved for the “PvP mode” of the game, for those that never leave the mists. The daily category is a general category, which is where this activity fits in.

Vick.6805:

I agree that Crab Toss is not fun, and I was tempted to request that ANet remove it from the dailies, too. However, after talking to my guildies, there are people out there love it. It’s no different from the keg brawl dailies, which some people love, and some hate.

But it IS different from the keg brawl dailies. The keg brawl dailies rotate through different achievements (Keg Brawl Scorer, Keg Brawl Stealer, Keg Brawl Fumble Forcer) while Crab Toss is the same achievement every day (win a match).

The Crab Toss dailz should be similar to the Keg Brawl one – rotate through Crab Toss Champion, crab grabs, crab runs, and even other types from the “Top Player” list such as denies or evades.

That way, Crab Toss still would be in the dailies every day of the event, gently encouraging people to play, but give them different things to aim for. This would help experienced players against boredom, and inexperienced players because they might be better at evading than carrying. I, for instance, am a lot better at denying that crab grabbing and might even be tempted to take part in Crab Toss some more for a daily achievement point if denies were on the menu.

I actually think rotating through a bunch of different goals as the daily to average out how many matches people have to play – more for people who are very good, less for people who are very bad – is a good idea.

(I’m speaking as someone who actually spent a whole day farming Crab Toss for Karka Shells and Mystic Toilet fodder. I love the game, and am very good at it.)

On the other hand, ANet would then have to write a bunch of code to track more stuff between games, which may or may not be prohibitive.

Rozbuska.5263:

As I said – I do them all because achievment points.

Guess you don’t deserve that achievement point then.

Hooray….

Daily crap toss! Love the smell.

Firebaall, I’d expect Crab Toss to be the 11th Daily task at least until the Southsun event is over. So that’s 2 more weeks (possibly more) of crustacean carrying.

Shouldn’t people that do literally everything in the game just so their AP score can be bigger at least be good enough at the game to win CT anyway? And surely you would have plenty of experience doing things you don’t care for just to get those extra points.

Even securing a win every two or three games, still means that you’re spending way too much time in a broken game mode.

It’s broken, and it shouldn’t be part of the daily grind.