Guild Wars 2

I agree!
I would love to help Canach to free the settlers and to bring back his life to normal. Yes he made mistakes, but he is not evil.

Me too. The only problem that he has is that he is capable to do anything in order to screw the consortium (like he did in November).
But actually… who likes the consortium?
His reasons are fine to me, I support his goal.

In other hand I agree that making the karka angry is not the solution, so we need to stop him.
I just hope that we don´t kill him and he can return or even help us in the future. He can be the bad ally that everybody has. It would be nice to teach him how to do things in a more noble way. Please anet, dont kill him. Let us know him better!

Making a balance, this is the interest that I have so far about the new presented npcs:

1.-Canach
2.-Rox
3.-Kasmeer
4.-Lord Faren
.
5.- Kiel
.
.
.
.
6.-Braham

I’d rather help the settlers by punching the Consortium and Canach in the face. \o/

Good intentions don’t matter when all his actions have done is put the very people he’s trying to protect in danger, and I don’t feel a whole lot of sympathy for people who don’t take responsibility for their actions (which I’m assuming he won’t (again), considering we’re going to have to go out of our way to capture him).

I doubt we’ll be killing him, just setting him up to be locked behind bars proper (assuming he doesn’t escape again). They seem fond enough of Canach to want to do more with him in the future.

I want the Consortium destroyed. I’ve never liked them from the moment I met them. All of their NPCs had this ‘evil’ vibe to them.

I support the consortium.

I only support the settlers who lost their original homes. Fight for their freedom!!

(oh right heres my twitter hash tag #SettlerFreedom)

I just want to take him back to the Grove and help him heal back to his normal self. It would be good for him to talk to the Pale Tree after all this time. Sometimes you just have to talk to mommy about your problems :P

Gabby.3205:

I just want to take him back to the Grove and help him heal back to his normal self. It would be good for him to talk to the Pale Tree after all this time. Sometimes you just have to talk to mommy about your problems :P

My Sylvari, Ishyal, will help!

Help Canach or The settlers?

I don’t remember any of them ressing me while I was downed/killed at events.

The consortium guards however…

GuzziHero.2467:

I think that the story designers haven’t done a great job of casting him in a villainous light, but rather given him plenty of justification for his angst.

I do not want to help the Consortium. I want to help the settlers. And if that means being wrong in order to be right, I want to fight alongside Canach.

You raise some interesting points about immersion OP. The short story is that much more immersive than the ingame LS, that I now feel more invested in Canach than in the Consortium.

So when doing the story the 28th I will have to unidentify myself with my character. It’s not really a problem because the LS wasn’t that immersive for me, but it shows how difficult storytelling and character creating can be. If we have to fight a villain he better be onesided villainous or I might want to join him and not fight against him. But if he is too onesided, or too onesided good or childish like Braham or Rox, I lose my interest.

I’m curious how Anet will continue with these stories and LS, it’s nice to see this evolving.

CAbbage + spiNACH = CANACH

I don’t much care for the salad bar.

I agree it would be a lot more fun if one could chose a side they want to support. Supporting Molten Alliance or the dragons would be great, not everyone wants to be a hero.

Phoenix.7845:

I agree it would be a lot more fun if one could chose a side they want to support. Supporting Molten Alliance or the dragons would be great, not everyone wants to be a hero.

I would love to have the possibility of my Sylvari joining the Nightmare Court or my Norn to joining the Sons of Svanir. It would make the living world far more interesting if we didn;t have to stick to what the story writers deem right.

I think I’ll have to be neutral on this one, but favor the settlers.

Canach, while trying to free the settlers, knowingly put their lives as risk with his toxin, since there is no way to control the enraged creatures. He probably injured many and possibly killed a few. Any favorability points for him get negated because of that for me. If he would have stuck to attacking the Consortium itself, and its members, that would be something else entirely.

The situations between the Consortium and the Settlers gets murky. The Settlers on the island are the true victims of this story, but they did sign contracts with the Consortium. Contracts that they were not forced to sign against their will. They freely signed them for a new “home”. A horrible home, but a home none the less. If they didn’t like what the read in the contract, they shouldn’t have signed them.

It’s truly a pity that between all the groups of refugees, the Grawl, the Grawl, were the smart ones that didn’t trust the Consortium.

If I had my way, I would turn Canach over to the Lionguard, and the contracts would “mysteriously disappear” (by fireball) at sea.

Guys, I realized something. The first new event coming will give us the achievement to capture Canach. But the next one has us deal with Subdirector Null. There’s a good chance that we WILL side with Canach.

No. Subdirector Null is a golem. The one Canach stole from Blingg. So this is no sign of siding with Canach. But it’s my hope that Canach won’t die, cause we have to capture him and not to defeat him in the achievement like the golem.

I want to shove Canach in a wood chipper. And I say that as a Sylvari.

Spendingallmytime.7249:

I want to shove Canach in a wood chipper. And I say that as a Sylvari.

Because of what?

For the fun of it. To watch all light and hope drain from his eyes as he’s being ground up. Then, I can collect his remains and use them as a lovely mulch.

You are very mean. ;_;
Canach isn’t that bad and I want to help him to be good again.

Niyo.5920:

You are very mean. ;_;
Canach isn’t that bad and I want to help him to be good again.

Not every person can be easily turned to good. Just saying that alone is extremely disrespectful to his character because all you seem to think of him is a problem to be fixed instead of a deep character who possibly can’t be saved because life doesn’t work like that. You are the one completely trivializing a possible great character by making him out to be a high school bad boy who only needs a female to fix him(i bout threw up over the idea some people think this). There’s liking a character then there’s not caring for what the character can be but what YOU want it to be completely forgetting true characters who have worth branch into their own paths like water down a stream.

I don’t want him to be the "nice" guy. Only want to help him to be someone the Lionguard don’t want to see dead. Would be enough for me. *g*
Sometimes my sentences and statements are - hm - simple. But that’s because english is not my foreign language. It’s a bit difficult to tell you all I think. ^^
My post before was half a joke like "you are mean, now I have to cry... buhu". See what I mean?
Besides... Why a female? He is a sylvari. I would prefer a male sylvari at his side. ;p

I don’t know who to side with because this story doesn’t make sense.

First off, Norn and Charr running from the molten alliance?! REALLY?! I can understand the Norn running form Jormag as he’s likely twice the size of Hoelbrak, has an army of minions and has eaten Owl. There’s not enough liquid courage in the world to convince the Norn they could win that battle. The Charr, on the other hand, are constantly battling Ascalonian ghosts whom just regenerate after being slain again. And the Charr are WINNING! But they ran from dredge and Flame Legion, both of which are a lot easier to kill? I don’t get it.

Even when I slapped suspension of disbelief on that, all the refugees HAD to have known what was going on in Southsun. While it looks like paradise, the wildlife there was dangerous even before Canach got his hands on them. Given what the Karka did to Lion’s Arch, surely rumors would have spread about how inhospitable the island is. And the Consortium, they might as well be a subsidiary of EA for all the shady stuff they were getting away with.

Still these are Charr and Norn. They probably get off on the idea of living with deadly animals on a daily basis. Even so, they were in Lion’s Arch! That city is literally MADE of ships! You’re telling me none of them thought to rip one down, patch it up and sail away on their own? You also have to consider that the Charr and thick fur and the Norns are accustomed to cold weather. Why would either race choose a tropical island to call home?!

Now going back to the Consortium, they have got to be dumber than a box of rocks beaten with an ugly stick if they thought, even for a second, they could subjugate the most rowdy, blood-boiling, brawl-happy, got-my-wife-a-battleaxe-for-her-birthday races in all of Tyria. I’m shocked that, after 2 days, there are still Consortium employees alive, much less in arguable control. I imagine the Charr and Norn would have taken turns seeing fast they can make the pencil-pushers wet themselves before throwing them into the sea. The best the Consortium could do is hire players to fend off their new “clients” while they drained the island dry of all resources and cut their losses.

This just doesn’t make any sense!

Crossplay.2067:

I don’t know who to side with because this story doesn’t make sense.

<snip excellently worded points for brevities sake>

This just doesn’t make any sense!

most of your points I cant respond too (particularly the norn/charr leaving. I figured they would have been like “invaders? kitten yah! ime to par-tay!”) but as to why theres still consortium employees alive…apparently the consortium can replace employees at a phenomenal rate. One settler at the pearl islet encampment (think he’s a char…) talks about how he would kill a particular dude, but the consortium would just replace him the next day so it wouldnt make a bit of difference.

The reason the Norn and Charr ran from the Molten Alliance is because they were using guerrilla tactics. They would come out of nowhere with either the flame shaman portals or Dredge tanks, ransack and destroy a settlement, and then they would disappear just as fast.

No matter how stronger both those races are, you can’t defend against such a quick and devastating assault. Not to mention, the MA was using their new hybrid technology to great use.

I… I really can’t understand how so many people think Canach is a good guy and want to side with him…

I will re-post what I said in the Lore section on a forum about Canach:

He might be targeting the Consortium and Noll, but I don’t think helping the refugees is a priority in his agenda. I don’t think he cares at all for them, they’re just collateral damage in the Consortium thing so they could become an asset in his favor if he can get support from some of them, but his acts are clearly endangering everyone in the area.
He’s out for revenge and spite against the Consortium. I don’t think he’s a hero, the way he acted with Blingg in that story fragment revealed many traits of a psychotic perturbated crazy mind (the moving in shadows while maintaining a conversation, the whispering in the ear, the constant use of fire everytime he wanted to show something, the showing of head trophies to threat Blingg and then carry them away with him…). What he does against the Consortium may or may not be justified (they’re trying to kill him too after all) but he’s endangering the refugees too in the process to get his revenge. He just doesn’t care about anyone but himself.
He may not be a villian, but he isn’t a hero. He is crazy and he needs urgent help from an expert before he kills everyone in that isle.

Elbegast.6970:

CAbbage + spiNACH = CANACH

I admit it, I laughed here xD

He’s definitely not on anyone’s side, but I wouldn’t necessarily call him out as a psychotic character for what he did in the Blingg conversation. It might as well have just been a charade to frighten Blingg.

Starscream.6498:

It might as well have just been a charade to frighten Blingg.

Carryng everywhere a bag with amputated heads doesn’t sound like a charade…

Granted those heads belonged to thugs sent to kill him, but carrying heads leaving a trail of blood as trophies to threat people isn’t a common trait on people with a clear mind.

Lokheit.7943:

Starscream.6498:

It might as well have just been a charade to frighten Blingg.

Carryng everywhere a bag with amputated heads doesn’t sound like a charade…

Granted those heads belonged to thugs sent to kill him, but carrying heads leaving a trail of blood as trophies to threat people isn’t a common trait on people with a clear mind.

But how do you know he carries them everywhere? might have just been for that occasion.

Yes, he really wants his revenge and his ways are wrong cause they endanger the ones he wanted to help. But he is not the cold killer, I believe. He could have killed Blingg after he got the information he wanted. But he hadn’t.
And killing a team of assassins who wanted to kill him is not bad after all. Just my opinion.
That he is not the sanest character is clear. But maybe that can be “healed”.

Lokheit.7943:

Starscream.6498:

It might as well have just been a charade to frighten Blingg.

Carryng everywhere a bag with amputated heads doesn’t sound like a charade…

Granted those heads belonged to thugs sent to kill him, but carrying heads leaving a trail of blood as trophies to threat people isn’t a common trait on people with a clear mind.

It isn’t insane to do anything he was doing by default if the original intention was to scare the living heck out of bling(which he did). if he was truely that psychotic he would of killed bling instead of leaving him alive as a potential threat/loose end.

Being a soldier means you rarely have a reason to exercise moral restraint(which morality is a debatable concept on what is considered good or not since different cultures believe different things). Again using scare tactics doesn’t make you insane if you only do as much as you need to which he did.

How his current actions are makes him more tunnel vision then actual insane while yes he might be making himself the hero when he’s doing stupid things(if anything he’s misguided not insane) but he still knows restraint and if he genuinely didn’t care for the refugees he could easily just bomb the place since explosives shouldn’t be that hard to make in gw2 world(again one of his goals is to get the papers that bind the refugees to the consortium).

It’s hard to defend what he did but if he was really THAT evil he wouldn’t leave people alive and go out of his way to free refugees who are bound by contract when again he could just lay down explosives like mad without caring and easily risk everyone dying.

In fact exercising control over someone and “letting him live because it’s what you wished to do” is a common trait for what I’m describing, to feel the power of someone knowing he lives because you let him live many times is more satisfying for this kind of crazed minds than killing him. He could also use him in the future, knowing that he can give him all the information he wants if he threats him so killing him is wasting an asset.

And I really don’t buy that “he was just acting this time, he really isn’t that nasty when he’s not in that specific scene”. He abandoned the scene carrying the bloody bag with him with clear intentions on continuing with that beheaviour.That guy is completly nuts right now. I don’t know what happened to him since the last time we saw him, but it really hurted his mind. I’m not saying he’s evil, I’m saying he’s crazy in a very dangerous way, he is delusional, he thinks he’s some sort of hero of the people when everything he’s doing is looking for his personal revenge and endangers everyone in his way.

Lokheit.7943:

In fact exercising control over someone and “letting him live because it’s what you wished to do” is a common trait for what I’m describing, to feel the power of someone knowing he lives because you let him live many times is more satisfying for this kind of crazed minds than killing him. He could also use him in the future, knowing that he can give him all the information he wants if he threats him so killing him is wasting an asset.

And I really don’t buy that “he was just acting this time, he really isn’t that nasty when he’s not in that specific scene”. He abandoned the scene carrying the bloody bag with him with clear intentions on continuing with that beheaviour.That guy is completly nuts right now. I don’t know what happened to him since the last time we saw him, but it really hurted his mind. I’m not saying he’s evil, I’m saying he’s crazy in a very dangerous way, he is delusional, he thinks he’s some sort of hero of the people when everything he’s doing is looking for his personal revenge and endangers everyone in his way.

Why would he leave the bag there and risk his possible connection to visiting blingg(if he left the bag there then might of been a chance for the consortium to find the heads and since they hired them.. get what i mean?)

Secondly you don’t seem to grasp what “completely nuts” is since this is if anything mild to minimal for a “crazed” soldier to act if anything he acts very restrained and i SEVERELY doubt he left bling alone to have some “power hungry” feeling when he seemed in the short story to not really care after he was done with bling because he had the info he needed and his beef was with the consortium’s leadership.

And him using severed heads again isn’t insane because he used it to get information(he used it as a visual that he was more dangerous then the consortium because it was obvious the consortium very kill employee friendly) out of bling because bling knew what the consortium could do and the only way to show “he was worse” was by using the heads of the people who tried to kill him.

Again remember he’s a soldier he knows what he needs to do and how to do it(regarding the context of the short story actual ingame makes him seem not so smart). Killing and fighting for long periods of time that when using remains as scare tactics isn’t really a big deal when you kill people all the time.

I think it’s worth noting that we don’t know exactly where the story is going to go at this point. Sure the achievements appear to point to a certain outcome but we don’t know for sure that they are as obvious as they appear. There is a fairly recent dialogue between Noll and the Lionguard (whose name, I am ashamed to say, escapes me) regarding what the enraged wildlife appears to be attacking … specifically any caches of Consortium paperwork. Frankly I’d be all in favour of setting a flamethrower to all the contracts so the refugees can choose to stay or return home.

As for Canach, well I’m content to wait and see.

Having completed the solo mission against Canach, now I want to help him even more.

He isnt communicating much as a madman, or an evil man.

GuzziHero.2467:

Having completed the solo mission against Canach, now I want to help him even more.

He isnt communicating much as a madman, or an evil man.

Same here. Also, now I hate Kiel very much.

Gabby.3205:

GuzziHero.2467:

Having completed the solo mission against Canach, now I want to help him even more.

He isnt communicating much as a madman, or an evil man.

Same here. Also, now I hate Kiel very much.

Me, too. All the times she is like “he is evil we have to punish him”. Is she even listening what he’s saying?? And now she wants us to HELP the consortium with their contracts. Is she mad? Why can’t we help the settlers to go out of the dangerous areas in which the contracts are and let Canachs plan work like it was intended to destroy the bad contracts?
Canachs plan seems to be dangerous for anyone near the contracts. But we could evacuate the people there and so only the good intention of his plan will work out. THAT would be good.

EDIT: He looks so sad… Poor Canach. Wants the good things but with the wrong methods.

Yeah, and Kiel wants all the wrong things with the methods that only The Consortium can possibly think that are right. Ugh, I just can’t stand her. She goes all like “I’m in charge and you are not saving anybody in my watch, but you are an evil lunatic and I’m good and heroic. Also, you are under arrest” on him, and I just wanted to punch her stupid face.

Lokheit.7943:

In fact exercising control over someone and “letting him live because it’s what you wished to do” is a common trait for what I’m describing, to feel the power of someone knowing he lives because you let him live many times is more satisfying for this kind of crazed minds than killing him. He could also use him in the future, knowing that he can give him all the information he wants if he threats him so killing him is wasting an asset.

And I really don’t buy that “he was just acting this time, he really isn’t that nasty when he’s not in that specific scene”. He abandoned the scene carrying the bloody bag with him with clear intentions on continuing with that beheaviour.That guy is completly nuts right now. I don’t know what happened to him since the last time we saw him, but it really hurted his mind. I’m not saying he’s evil, I’m saying he’s crazy in a very dangerous way, he is delusional, he thinks he’s some sort of hero of the people when everything he’s doing is looking for his personal revenge and endangers everyone in his way.

So he’s a driven sylvari is what you’re saying xD

I’ll agree that he’s pretty nuts from our standards, but if you look at sylvari, I wouldn’t honestly say that this kind of thing isn’t really that wildly out of character. Many sylvari seem to hold death in a more curious regard than feared, so while he’s certainly dangerous and unpredictable, I don’t see him really being “crazy” by sylvari standards. Just… very, very bold.

Good or Evil, I want to be drunk on insanity pollen, too. How does one get started with that? Canach better post a ‘how-to’ on Yahoo.

Crossplay.2067:

I don’t know who to side with because this story doesn’t make sense.

First off, Norn and Charr running from the molten alliance?! REALLY?! I can understand the Norn running form Jormag as he’s likely twice the size of Hoelbrak, has an army of minions and has eaten Owl. There’s not enough liquid courage in the world to convince the Norn they could win that battle. The Charr, on the other hand, are constantly battling Ascalonian ghosts whom just regenerate after being slain again. And the Charr are WINNING! But they ran from dredge and Flame Legion, both of which are a lot easier to kill? I don’t get it.

Even when I slapped suspension of disbelief on that, all the refugees HAD to have known what was going on in Southsun. While it looks like paradise, the wildlife there was dangerous even before Canach got his hands on them. Given what the Karka did to Lion’s Arch, surely rumors would have spread about how inhospitable the island is. And the Consortium, they might as well be a subsidiary of EA for all the shady stuff they were getting away with.

Still these are Charr and Norn. They probably get off on the idea of living with deadly animals on a daily basis. Even so, they were in Lion’s Arch! That city is literally MADE of ships! You’re telling me none of them thought to rip one down, patch it up and sail away on their own? You also have to consider that the Charr and thick fur and the Norns are accustomed to cold weather. Why would either race choose a tropical island to call home?!

Now going back to the Consortium, they have got to be dumber than a box of rocks beaten with an ugly stick if they thought, even for a second, they could subjugate the most rowdy, blood-boiling, brawl-happy, got-my-wife-a-battleaxe-for-her-birthday races in all of Tyria. I’m shocked that, after 2 days, there are still Consortium employees alive, much less in arguable control. I imagine the Charr and Norn would have taken turns seeing fast they can make the pencil-pushers wet themselves before throwing them into the sea. The best the Consortium could do is hire players to fend off their new “clients” while they drained the island dry of all resources and cut their losses.

This just doesn’t make any sense!

Besides which… didn’t we defeat the Molten Alliance? Why can’t the refugees just go back home and rebuild?

Tachenon.5270:

Besides which… didn’t we defeat the Molten Alliance? Why can’t the refugees just go back home and rebuild?

Because they are bound by contracts. That’s what Canach wanted to change.

Niyo.5920:

Tachenon.5270:

Besides which… didn’t we defeat the Molten Alliance? Why can’t the refugees just go back home and rebuild?

Because they are bound by contracts. That’s what Canach wanted to change.

Weren’t they still hanging out in LA right after the MA was defeated? Near the big bonfire? Why wouldn’t we say to them, “Hey, guys, we whupped those mean old dredge and those charred-broiled charr for you! You can return to your homes now!”

Why would they sign these contracts anyway? Were they in danger of being kicked out of LA?

For that matter, why would they even go to LA? There’s plenty open territory between where they came from and LA, if they absolutely had to leave their homelands. Which, given who and what they are, makes no sense. Norn thought the destroyers were fun to hunt. Charr like their meat seared. Why the heck didn’t they stay and fight? That’s what they do. That’s who they are. They’re all ‘fight’ – they don’t have any ‘flight’ genes. And I don’t buy the notion that they couldn’t handle the guerrilla warfare tactics. It goes against the lore established for these races – which means the premise upon which the story is based is flawed.

It just doesn’t work.

For what I got, they had ALREADY signed the contract when we defeated the Molten Alliance (and that’s why some of them mentions that some settlers were already at Southsun). Also, I went to Southsun while Flame and Frost was still going on and there were a bunch of settlers there already, building the settlements, so I think we can assume that the contracts were signed when the Molten Alliance was still killing everybody and burning everything down.

Nobody seems to have brought in the Nightmare Court and how they’d love Canach as a courtier… interesting.

Reputation with factions, now that’s an interesting idea.

It would be difficult to implement in such a short living story segment, but it’d be really cool if there was something like the old Kurzick vs Luxon idea from GW1

Silicato.4603:

Me too. The only problem that he has is that he is capable to do anything in order to screw the consortium (like he did in November).
But actually… who likes the consortium?
His reasons are fine to me, I support his goal.

In other hand I agree that making the karka angry is not the solution, so we need to stop him.
I just hope that we don´t kill him and he can return or even help us in the future. He can be the bad ally that everybody has. It would be nice to teach him how to do things in a more noble way. Please anet, dont kill him. Let us know him better!

Making a balance, this is the interest that I have so far about the new presented npcs:

1.-Canach
2.-Rox
3.-Kasmeer
4.-Lord Faren
.
5.- Kiel
.
.
.
.
6.-Braham

You know you’ve given me an idea seeing that list. Perhaps Canach (who I respect and like) is part of the new destiny’s edge. We already have Braham and Rox – norn and Char. Now we have a sylvari – Canach.

He just needs to tone down his rebellious ways. It could happen

To be honest, I don´t trust there is real story behind this. To me what I exprienced yesterday was a simple mess with 0 attachement of my person to the story. Kiel is a 0 to me and canach… I don´t understand what is his plan with contracts or why it is something wrong that kiel and ourselves need to stop.

Awfull storytelling this time

Thobek.1730:

You know you’ve given me an idea seeing that list. Perhaps Canach (who I respect and like) is part of the new destiny’s edge. We already have Braham and Rox – norn and Char. Now we have a sylvari – Canach.

He just needs to tone down his rebellious ways. It could happen

As I said before that would be really cool. Canach is not the black or white guy… he is interesting because he is good in some ways but has plans which have an evil nature cause they can harm innocent.
Only problem is that the last patch was so disappointing. But that’s not a problem of the story but engine.