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Posted by: Ellisande.5218

Ellisande.5218

Your choices still affect how Trahearne responds and what course the Pact take. Without you the story would go one linear path, there are several ways to affect the story after you are made Commander.

Not in any meaningful way. The story is effectively completely linear. All you are doing once the Pact is formed is deciding what scenes to “get in on”, essentially.

It’s really bizarre. Even the “end” of your personal story is essentially about Trahearne, not about you. Which is really the precise opposite of all four GW1 campaigns (I note all the GW1 campaigns gave you a really solid, last-forever-type reward, too, where this personal story just gives you a yellow with a so-so skin).

No, it’s every bit as much about you. In fact, Trahearne can speak in his own defense.

“Here, at the end, I am glad that it’s just you and me. We will cleanse Orr together-as were meant to do.”

It’s you AND Trahearne. He does the cleansing, but he can’t do it without you protecting him. Further, that’s not the end of the story. There’s one more personal mission, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Trahearne. You may have forgotten about that one, cus the ending does suck, but it does exist and it has nothing to do with Trahearne.

No it is Trahearne’s story. Anyone else could have protected him. And the entire cleansing of Orr was Trahearne’s own personal mission, not yours and not the Pacts. The character is never really made to feel like you they got to know Trahearne, they never really suffered with him never grew or experienced with him. So his words become extremely hollow. Especially because that isn’t really the end.

And that last mission isn’t a personal mission, it is just another 5 man dungeon where you might have to watch someone elses character speak for the entire instance instead of yours, just to prove how much that last quest isn’t a personal story.

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Posted by: Aerlen.5326

Aerlen.5326

Your choices still affect how Trahearne responds and what course the Pact take. Without you the story would go one linear path, there are several ways to affect the story after you are made Commander.

Not in any meaningful way. The story is effectively completely linear. All you are doing once the Pact is formed is deciding what scenes to “get in on”, essentially.

It’s really bizarre. Even the “end” of your personal story is essentially about Trahearne, not about you. Which is really the precise opposite of all four GW1 campaigns (I note all the GW1 campaigns gave you a really solid, last-forever-type reward, too, where this personal story just gives you a yellow with a so-so skin).

No, it’s every bit as much about you. In fact, Trahearne can speak in his own defense.

“Here, at the end, I am glad that it’s just you and me. We will cleanse Orr together-as were meant to do.”

It’s you AND Trahearne. He does the cleansing, but he can’t do it without you protecting him. Further, that’s not the end of the story. There’s one more personal mission, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Trahearne. You may have forgotten about that one, cus the ending does suck, but it does exist and it has nothing to do with Trahearne.

No it is Trahearne’s story. Anyone else could have protected him. And the entire cleansing of Orr was Trahearne’s own personal mission, not yours and not the Pacts. The character is never really made to feel like you they got to know Trahearne, they never really suffered with him never grew or experienced with him. So his words become extremely hollow. Especially because that isn’t really the end.

And that last mission isn’t a personal mission, it is just another 5 man dungeon where you might have to watch someone elses character speak for the entire instance instead of yours, just to prove how much that last quest isn’t a personal story.

You aren’t going to sway that one. Trying to explain those same points got me no where. The text says you’re praised so that’s all that matters to them.

~Tarnished Coast Pride~

Forever known as “that slow guardian who can’t jump worth crap”.

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Posted by: reapex.8546

reapex.8546

Your choices still affect how Trahearne responds and what course the Pact take. Without you the story would go one linear path, there are several ways to affect the story after you are made Commander.

Not in any meaningful way. The story is effectively completely linear. All you are doing once the Pact is formed is deciding what scenes to “get in on”, essentially.

It’s really bizarre. Even the “end” of your personal story is essentially about Trahearne, not about you. Which is really the precise opposite of all four GW1 campaigns (I note all the GW1 campaigns gave you a really solid, last-forever-type reward, too, where this personal story just gives you a yellow with a so-so skin).

No, it’s every bit as much about you. In fact, Trahearne can speak in his own defense.

“Here, at the end, I am glad that it’s just you and me. We will cleanse Orr together-as were meant to do.”

It’s you AND Trahearne. He does the cleansing, but he can’t do it without you protecting him. Further, that’s not the end of the story. There’s one more personal mission, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Trahearne. You may have forgotten about that one, cus the ending does suck, but it does exist and it has nothing to do with Trahearne.

No it is Trahearne’s story. Anyone else could have protected him. And the entire cleansing of Orr was Trahearne’s own personal mission, not yours and not the Pacts. The character is never really made to feel like you they got to know Trahearne, they never really suffered with him never grew or experienced with him. So his words become extremely hollow. Especially because that isn’t really the end.

And that last mission isn’t a personal mission, it is just another 5 man dungeon where you might have to watch someone elses character speak for the entire instance instead of yours, just to prove how much that last quest isn’t a personal story.

You aren’t going to sway that one. Trying to explain those same points got me no where. The text says you’re praised so that’s all that matters to them.

Your goal is to Kill Zhaitan, Trahearne is to Cleanse Orr. We don’t have the skills or abilities to clean an entire continent but we can assist in Cleansing Orr. Trahearne, does not assist in killing Zhaitan nor does he have victory celebration after cleansing Orr. The victory celebration is for you, the player, not Trahearne. The ending cinema scene features you and Destiny Edge. The races of Tyria are cheering for the player not Trahearne, in fact the Pact seems to support the player way more than it supports Trahearne.

When Trahearne suggests something the Pact says, hmm maybe that will work or lets try this other way! When the player suggests something the Pact goes, yes Commander! Even the Asuran think the players ideas are brilliant which speaks for itself. o.O

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Posted by: eisenwyrm.2035

eisenwyrm.2035

I never thought about this in depth story line. My main concern was “OMG the vegetable is talking…again!” [hack, slash] “Are you talking again??” [hack, slash] “Seriously, dude. Like the sound of your own voice much?”

Like to point out there was an instance that existed purely for the vegetable to talk. Nothing else happened. No choices were made. Nothing. Just an instance to hear the guy ramble.

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Posted by: Mochann.5298

Mochann.5298

I hate Trahearne, and its good to know everyone else does, too.

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Posted by: Mochann.5298

Mochann.5298

Trahearne is awful, but he’s just a victim of the writing that is almost universally bad in the game. Someone else pointed out the “Show, don’t tell” rule. Except, they don’t just tell you something. They yell it at you, send you a letter to confirm it, and then tattoo it onto their forehead so you can’t even look at them without being told once more.

Is true, we shouldn’t play favorites. The writing in this game is just laughably bad all around, so we shouldn’t be too kitten Trahearne. That said, he was just the icing on the cake. At least early on you were the star of the bad story. With Trahearne you don’t even get the pleasure of being the star.

The only parts of the story I’ve found interesting is the constant bickering between Logan and Rytlock. Which also became bland after a while, and good thing it "evolved into something else in COF, but it was definitely the best part of the entire thing.

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Posted by: Arikyali.5804

Arikyali.5804

In my opinion, if Trahearne just managed to show his face earlier in the personal story for other races, people would have had a chance to warm up to him. I had no objection to Trahearne’s role during with my Sylvari. But switching to my human, I can see where the negativity comes from.

Maybe if he just popped up and talked to the player, greeting them while he was doing his research on Orr. Let the player get to know him as the shy, self-conscious, but good-nature scholar that needed a self-esteem boost before accepting the life changing decision.

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Posted by: Dand.8231

Dand.8231

I didn’t hate Trahearne personally, but I didn’t feel particularly attached to him either. I didn’t really care about him much at all, to be honest.

Since I was a non-sylvari character, he was more or less a sidekick NPC who showed up late into the storyline, despite the fact that he was supposed to be the pact leader.

Lets be honest, we all know he was just a figurehead with a fancy sword made of celery. We made every important decision, spearheaded every critical fight, brought the 3 factions and destinys edge together, and did the highest DPS vs Zhaitan. WE are the REAL Pact leaders

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Posted by: snarfrificus.4230

snarfrificus.4230

i also wanted to make that last part of orr like this and that you also learned your mentor way better before they just die.

Atleast if you guys wanted to keep trahearne it should be going like this, more background about him and also show that you and he are becoming good friends.

Things about the past and that they also show the past of tybalt or any other mentor and how trahearne and the mentor knew each other. In my eyes make that part atleast way more dramatic.

Also to give you atleast in the end dat the cleansing off ore a bit more of the story for you, let you fight your mentor in 4 stages. To show at the same time you have mastered the game a bit but also not to difficult.
first stage you go against your mentor as an zombie
second stage you go against your mentor that he gets faint memories
third stage he remembers everything and is very sad but also tells a secret about zhaitan and then changes back into an full zombie.
Your character is very sad even more then at that island before, cause now you really know that your best friend is never coming back again.
fourth stage: the zombie being a real boss but also The Pack that has pushed inside and helps you out in an legendary battle.

Also give trahearne more of those aragorn qualities instead of only his personal journey and also let him give you more honor like in the way of that the hobbits did so much for the world that everyone bowed and showed that you in the end are the hero, way more then trahearne himself.

this can fix a lot i think.

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

Tobias Trueflight.8350

Trahearne is awful, but he’s just a victim of the writing that is almost universally bad in the game. Someone else pointed out the “Show, don’t tell” rule. Except, they don’t just tell you something. They yell it at you, send you a letter to confirm it, and then tattoo it onto their forehead so you can’t even look at them without being told once more.

Is true, we shouldn’t play favorites. The writing in this game is just laughably bad all around, so we shouldn’t be too kitten Trahearne. That said, he was just the icing on the cake. At least early on you were the star of the bad story. With Trahearne you don’t even get the pleasure of being the star.

The only parts of the story I’ve found interesting is the constant bickering between Logan and Rytlock. Which also became bland after a while, and good thing it "evolved into something else in COF, but it was definitely the best part of the entire thing.

The writing is rather bad if you want to look at it that way. I liked Tybalt, I like Logan, and I like Rytlock but I look at some parts which work really well (“Oh woe, the White Mantle, is this the end for poor Logan?”) . . .

There are as many bits which just don’t.

It’s just my opinion the writing isn’t bad (with the exception of the Mad King’s jokes and Bloody Prince’s posturing, but that’s intentionally bad). It’s uneven. Characters seem to have a slightly . . . off presentation. My human ranger got to know Logan and that whole thing with Destiny’s Edge in Lion’s Arch felt too forced for it to ring true . . . even Rytlock admits in the charr storyline it was kind of stupid to blame Logan and snipe his head off.

Trahearne suffers from an uneven presentation. The first encounter with him in the Sylvari storyline isn’t bad. But it’s after he gets Caladbolg things seem to shift. There are moments where you get hints there’s something else in his head holding him back but no time to dwell on it.

By the way, for me, the worst character ArenaNet has come up with still isn’t Trahearne or Scarlet. It’s still going to be Norgu.

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

Tobias Trueflight.8350

Also give trahearne more of those aragorn qualities instead of only his personal journey and also let him give you more honor like in the way of that the hobbits did so much for the world that everyone bowed and showed that you in the end are the hero, way more then trahearne himself.

Worth noting, Aragorn was completely . . . or at least, shades different in other versions of the story. The Bashki film had a more noble and strong cast to him, the books had him more inscrutable and frankly dominant as a leader once Gandalf disappeared from the story.

I don’t want book!Aragorn mixed in with Trahearne or else we will REALLY never hear the end of “he stole our story and our glory”. Remember, Aragorn got a throne . . .

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Posted by: snarfrificus.4230

snarfrificus.4230

Also give trahearne more of those aragorn qualities instead of only his personal journey and also let him give you more honor like in the way of that the hobbits did so much for the world that everyone bowed and showed that you in the end are the hero, way more then trahearne himself.

Worth noting, Aragorn was completely . . . or at least, shades different in other versions of the story. The Bashki film had a more noble and strong cast to him, the books had him more inscrutable and frankly dominant as a leader once Gandalf disappeared from the story.

I don’t want book!Aragorn mixed in with Trahearne or else we will REALLY never hear the end of “he stole our story and our glory”. Remember, Aragorn got a throne . . .

yeah i liked the movie aragorn the most, i mean like tv or movie a game is also quite visual. also in the end trahearne was been found as such kind a hero people almost really did the same.

But the people were more thankfull to the hobbits then they are now to you, i mean you did most of the work.

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Posted by: redslion.9675

redslion.9675

Trahearne must be like Solaire of Astora.

I’m sure everyone would enjoy a whole storymode of JOLLY COOPERATION!

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

Tobias Trueflight.8350

Also give trahearne more of those aragorn qualities instead of only his personal journey and also let him give you more honor like in the way of that the hobbits did so much for the world that everyone bowed and showed that you in the end are the hero, way more then trahearne himself.

Worth noting, Aragorn was completely . . . or at least, shades different in other versions of the story. The Bashki film had a more noble and strong cast to him, the books had him more inscrutable and frankly dominant as a leader once Gandalf disappeared from the story.

I don’t want book!Aragorn mixed in with Trahearne or else we will REALLY never hear the end of “he stole our story and our glory”. Remember, Aragorn got a throne . . .

yeah i liked the movie aragorn the most, i mean like tv or movie a game is also quite visual. also in the end trahearne was been found as such kind a hero people almost really did the same.

But the people were more thankfull to the hobbits then they are now to you, i mean you did most of the work.

. . . see attached screenshot. There’s a lot of talk among the Pact members you work with (who survive Orr) venerating your efforts as much as there is praise of Trahearne.

Nooo, actually, wait, there’s more of it

Attachments:

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Posted by: Krispy.7809

Krispy.7809

I dont think I want to finish leveling my first character, because every time in the story now its Trahearne the “Great Hero” that I have to serve, its not even about me anymore its his story and how he becomes a legend. Im going to switch to sylvari to see if maybe the story will be mine through out, but if its trahearne again im not going to be able to listen to hours of how trahearne gets everything while im “cheering” him on, when I wish I could make him disapear.

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

Tobias Trueflight.8350

I dont think I want to finish leveling my first character, because every time in the story now its Trahearne the “Great Hero” that I have to serve, its not even about me anymore its his story and how he becomes a legend. Im going to switch to sylvari to see if maybe the story will be mine through out, but if its trahearne again im not going to be able to listen to hours of how trahearne gets everything while im “cheering” him on, when I wish I could make him disapear.

You posted this in a thread where people already have mentioned he shows up in the Sylvari personal storyline earlier. So, you already should know he shows up . . .

Also, he’s not the great hero and while he may get recognition so will the Commander. Seriously, I don’t get how people think this is entirely glory for him when you are continuously told by NPCs you interact with how much your help meant to them and how great your efforts are.

(Except for Zojja, but she’s asura and thus needs to be punted to Elona. I mean, thus she is forgiven.)

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Posted by: Lippuringo.1742

Lippuringo.1742

1. Delete Trahearne from the game. Completely. He’s boring, he’s Necromancer who can use Greatsword, he looks just terrible and uninspiring. He’s just out of place.

2. Make pact as center of the story. Make player as new member of pact. If you need, make member of pact from your race die, it could add more actual drama to the game. Tequatl invasion on Lion’s Arch is good place for this.

3. Make the f***ing Zhaitan battle adequate!!! The hell i should fight 2 hours in dungeon for this mess?!

4. Make cutscene when pact drinks ale in tavern after celebration.

5. Everyone is happy now.

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Posted by: Yaj.5973

Yaj.5973

Should’ve been Trahearne who died and not my mentor. The cutscenes with Tybalt were enjoyable. Trahearne felt stale.

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Posted by: jaydreamer.5607

jaydreamer.5607

At first I didn’t understand all the Trahearne hate. I didn’t mind him, he seemed like he might have some potential to be interesting, and I like sylvari so it was cool he was so central to the story.

After getting my first character to 80, and giving up on the personal story in the process, I now am with the majority on this. He is incredibly boring, boring, BORING. He never seems inspiring, nor does he have any depth. I want to rip that greatsword out of his hands and beat him with it until he goes home and cries. He belongs in a library, not the battlefield, and not in my personal story. I felt no respect for him or reason to follow him, which ruined the entire thing. The end.

“All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost”

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Posted by: Coltz.5617

Coltz.5617

ArchonWing.9480:
Scarlet is actually Traherne’s evil crossdressing alter ego. It all makes sense. He was sick of being the goody goody but was granted extreme powers due to the plot and the tree and whatever crap and went mad due to having absolutely no personality whatsoever and thus being rejected by pretty much everyone else, deciding that the world needed to be reimaged as something more diffrent.

“Lets make this the explaination for the next scarlet patch and let scarlet and trahearne die and get on with Gw’s Progression.”

Please make this happen.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Living-Story-Do-you-understand-it/first#post3355197

- I infract cause I’m passionate about the game-
“ALL IS VAIN”
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/gf-left-me-coz-of-ladderboar/page/6#post3486969

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Posted by: Nicholas S Lin.6187

Nicholas S Lin.6187

The Trahearne character is a mistake. He plays too important a role within our character’s Personal Story. Seriously I don’t know why any player would support his position unaltered.

To clarify. In the Personal Story of our characters it should be OUR character that is chosen to lead the Pact NOT Trahearne. Trahearne should play the “Obi-kittenenobi” role – a wise elder/shaman/advisor.

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Posted by: Nicholas S Lin.6187

Nicholas S Lin.6187

*Obi-kittenenobi not as auto corrected.

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Posted by: Chokolata.1870

Chokolata.1870

They needed to make a NPC the main hero , which is fine , they just did it poorly

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Posted by: Toroxus.9256

Toroxus.9256

I like the idea of Trahearne, but he needed to be fleshed out more. The scene at Artisan Waters could have been amazing if we sympathized with him more. And it wasn’t his character that I didn’t like, it was that there was so little to his character.

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Posted by: nerevar.8524

nerevar.8524

A dead smelly cow is better company than Trahearne, but at least the cow wouldn’t point out every 5 minutes that i can’t do kitten alone, i need Trahearne to help take a dump….. whoever wrote this part of the story should be locked into a room with Trahearne for the rest of his life, see how he likes it.

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

Tobias Trueflight.8350

I like the idea of Trahearne, but he needed to be fleshed out more. The scene at Artisan Waters could have been amazing if we sympathized with him more. And it wasn’t his character that I didn’t like, it was that there was so little to his character.

Indeed, this kind of was the problem I had. I mean, it was powerful but not because of Trahearne’s involvement. It was because this was the next step my character had towards putting down Zhaitan. Helping Trahearne cleanse Orr was a necessary move forward, not to mention that whole thing about reclaiming one of the old human kingdoms from ruin.

(. . . Ascalon is next.)

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Posted by: Obsidian.1328

Obsidian.1328

(. . . Ascalon is next.)

…not gonna happen, Tobi. :-/

Obsidian Sky – SoR
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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

Tobias Trueflight.8350

(. . . Ascalon is next.)

…not gonna happen, Tobi. :-/

You say that now . . .

But we all know it’s going to happen. How else do you think we get authentic charr plushies, made from real charr hide?

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Posted by: Obsidian.1328

Obsidian.1328

(. . . Ascalon is next.)

…not gonna happen, Tobi. :-/

You say that now . . .

But we all know it’s going to happen. How else do you think we get authentic charr plushies, made from real charr hide?

Lucrative furball trade prolly. :P

Obsidian Sky – SoR
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Posted by: redslion.9675

redslion.9675

(. . . Ascalon is next.)

…not gonna happen, Tobi. :-/

You say that now . . .

But we all know it’s going to happen. How else do you think we get authentic charr plushies, made from real charr hide?

I’d love to!

My charr engineer definetely needs a human skin coat!XD

You will never be able to know what an engineer is going to do next…

because he doesn’t know it himself

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Posted by: cheshirefox.7026

cheshirefox.7026

i don’t really get all the trahearne hate.. however, i didn’t bother finishing my personal story.. it wasn’t done very well and i doubt making the player character less of a passenger seat to trahearne would have made it any better.. go to fort b, meet npc a, fend off foe x and choose path y or z which will round you out to conclusion c… oh, and some group of defenders is building a canon/laser somewhere..

i can outswim a centaur!
when i’m done on an issue
i start talking in nerglish

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Posted by: Kentaine.4692

Kentaine.4692

Destiny’s edge should have filled Trahearne’s roll, sorry, but that really is how it should have gone down. I was hoping to fight along side Destiny’s edge after leaving queensdale… NOPE. Go join a faction, okay cool. I like Tybalt, Forgal and the other are good too. Tralala, Claw Island is attacked! Oh no, come Tybalt… wait, who’s this plant guy and why should I listen to him? Oh, he helped my order’s leader, so what that doesn’t instantly make him my friend. I barely know my order’s leader, it’s Tybalt I know.

Well off to Claw Island…

Grenth no! Tybalt is dead! Well, time to get to eighty and ignore the personal story.

I still haven’t completed the personal story once, I’ve gone further but I just don’t give two tufts of dolyak fur of being sidekick to a 25 year old plant dude that looks like rotting cabbage. I like the sylvari as a race, but Trahearne was poorly designed. He really should have been in different armor to fit in with his surroundings. He’s surrounded by the Vigil, Priory, and the Order for crying out loud and he wears cultural armor? Gimme Caithe for that, better yet gimme all of Destiny’s Edge.

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Posted by: SoPP.7034

SoPP.7034

i don’t really get all the trahearne hate.. however, i didn’t bother finishing my personal story..

/facepalm

A warrior, a guardian, and an elementalist walk into an open field…
The Warrior turns to the guardian and says, “Did you hear something?”
Guardian replies, “No, but how’d the elementalist die?”