Guild Wars 2

LeeroyNimoy.1864:

How about this, why don’t we all just shut up because this isn’t going anywhere? Opinions are like farts, everyone has them and they all stink. I don’t like the inspect mechanic because it limits the things I can get into considering the amount of time I have to play in a week, some don’t like it because they don’t want to be told how to play and be limited in content because of that. Other want it because they don’t trust people who link their gear. There is no final answer to be had here, not until an AreaNet nameplate makes an appearance.

At the end of the day all the arguements made from one side can be applied to the other. If there is no inspect and the “all zerk” groups want to run and can’t trust Billy to link his real gear, then maybe they need to make some “all zerk” friends and only run with them? Or, if there is an inspect then I’ll just give up doing things until me and all the people I play with each have an 80 or two and we’ll make our own way through the game.

It’s whatever, honestly, but you can’t deny that having an inspect feature would be abused in the fashion we’ve been discussing. Just like damage meters would, they fall under the same basic realm of influence.

You’re assuming it will be abused, based on nothing. Tools do not create the player, the player behavior does. This is like that time that idle gun shot somebody, and the person operating it wasn’t to blame.

I’m assume it’ll be abused based on the behavior of the players. I’m not saying that it’s a bad mechanic, I’m saying there are bad people that will be using the mechanic. I’m assuming it’ll be abused based on the horrid nature of 75% of the people on the internet. You can be anything and act just about any way you want online, and most people choose to be bad and aweful people.

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based on nothing.

Based on pretty much every other mmo with inspect, I still remember the ton of requirements you needed in wow for a simple raid.

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Tools do not create the player, the player behavior does.

I’m sorry but that’s very naive. Just give everyone in the entire world a free gun and see what happens. My point is, the behavior is already there, the players just don’t have the tools yet.

@Sawnic

i’ve said everything in my first few posts, everything now is responses.

Maybe i don’t understand what you’re saying so i’ll break down the jist of what i remember:

-you admitted to pinging gear you dont wear in order to join zerker only groups. You maintain the “play how you want” yet you force your non-zerker gear on players that are simply trying to play how they want, which happens to be with other zerkers.

I guess you feel justified doing this because you don’t agree with players who insist on zerker gear only. But regardless how you feel about their playstyle, they’re only trying to “play how you want,” and unfortunately, the way they want to play doesn’t include your playstyle. So for some reason, you feel the need to punish people that play the game differently from you.

so what i’ve been getting is “play how you want” but it can’t inherently exclude other players. You are unable to “play how you want” because “the way you want” exludes you from certain groups with specific parameters from joining their group.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

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based on nothing.

Based on pretty much every other mmo with inspect, I still remember the ton of requirements you needed in wow for a simple raid.

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Tools do not create the player, the player behavior does.

I’m sorry but that’s very naive. Just give everyone in the entire world a free gun and see what happens. My point is, the behavior is already there, the players just don’t have the tools yet.

GW2 is unique among MMOs because gear is probably the least important aspect. In WoW, you literally could not do certain content unless you had certain gear. The only thing you can’t do in GW2 because of gear is high lvl fractals.

So, it’s not really accurate to use other game content to compare to GW2.

LeeroyNimoy.1864:

I’m assume it’ll be abused based on the behavior of the players. I’m not saying that it’s a bad mechanic, I’m saying there are bad people that will be using the mechanic. I’m assuming it’ll be abused based on the horrid nature of 75% of the people on the internet. You can be anything and act just about any way you want online, and most people choose to be bad and aweful people.

Are 75% of GW2 players you run in to really that bad?? I mean, i have definitely met jerks in the game, but that is a very small percent of the overall players.

You’re just being cynical if you think:
1) the forums represent anything but a tiny fraction of the player base
2) that the majority of players are jerks just waiting for the right tools to unleash their rage.

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@Sawnic

i’ve said everything in my first few posts, everything now is responses.

Maybe i don’t understand what you’re saying so i’ll break down the jist of what i remember:

-you admitted to pinging gear you dont wear in order to join zerker only groups. You maintain the “play how you want” yet you force your non-zerker gear on players that are simply trying to play how they want, which happens to be with other zerkers.

I guess you feel justified doing this because you don’t agree with players who insist on zerker gear only. But regardless how you feel about their playstyle, they’re only trying to “play how you want,” and unfortunately, the way they want to play doesn’t include your playstyle. So for some reason, you feel the need to punish people that play the game differently from you.

so what i’ve been getting is “play how you want” but it can’t inherently exclude other players. You are unable to “play how you want” because “the way you want” exludes you from certain groups with specific parameters from joining their group.

I never said I link gear to join zerker groups. I just said I link gear when people ask me if I have zerker gear.

fair enough, not that i condone lying. But if a group wants all zerkers, they should say “LFM all zerkers.” This all comes down to explicitly stating what type of group you want in the LFG. Everything else that happens is just the consequence of someone not being straightforward with their intentions when setting up a group.

edit; I take that back. If you joined “LFM all classes” or something like that and they still asked for gear ping that’s one thing. Or if it’s like halfway through the run and they’re like “Oh BTW your in zerker right?”

In any other case, asking you upfront if you’re in zerker gear is fair game. It is selfish to cheat with gear pings to join groups that request zerker only.

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Are 75% of GW2 players you run in to really that bad?? I mean, i have definitely met jerks in the game, but that is a very small percent of the overall players.

You’re just being cynical if you think:
1) the forums represent anything but a tiny fraction of the player base
2) that the majority of players are jerks just waiting for the right tools to unleash their rage.

I am cynical, but not for those reasons, I blame years of retail management for that. However, as a gamer and regular forum visiter/poster, I know full well that the forums traditionally represent the loudest group, not the largest group. I get that, don’t worry.

And 75% of GW2 players don’t have the tools to be that bad, we shouldn’t give it to them. If somebody has a tendancy in their nature, but can’t force that tendancy upon people then they aren’t percieved as jerks. However, if they are suddenly given a tool that makes it so people can see how bad they are, everyone knows they’re a jerk.

I’ll give an example from my retail experience, I had an associate that was great with people and a hard worker. He ended up getting a promotion, which alotted him certain tools, powers and responsibilities. Then, he started to abuse those powers and tools and everyone hated him for it.
To bring this full circle, people on the internet never have to see your face. They don’t need to like you or for you to like them. These folks can be anything they want to, anyone, act any ole way in the world, and the only reprecussion is that they get ignored. They don’t care about that, the internet brings out the worst in a lot of people, and the more tools they’re given to act a fool, the more they’ll act a fool. Even if said tools were made and implimented with the best of intentions.

Never forget that some of the worst attrocities in history were done with the best of intentions … and even Communisim looked good on paper.

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@Sawnic

i’ve said everything in my first few posts, everything now is responses.

Maybe i don’t understand what you’re saying so i’ll break down the jist of what i remember:

-you admitted to pinging gear you dont wear in order to join zerker only groups. You maintain the “play how you want” yet you force your non-zerker gear on players that are simply trying to play how they want, which happens to be with other zerkers.

I guess you feel justified doing this because you don’t agree with players who insist on zerker gear only. But regardless how you feel about their playstyle, they’re only trying to “play how you want,” and unfortunately, the way they want to play doesn’t include your playstyle. So for some reason, you feel the need to punish people that play the game differently from you.

so what i’ve been getting is “play how you want” but it can’t inherently exclude other players. You are unable to “play how you want” because “the way you want” exludes you from certain groups with specific parameters from joining their group.

I never said I link gear to join zerker groups. I just said I link gear when people ask me if I have zerker gear.

fair enough, not that i condone lying. But if a group wants all zerkers, they should say “LFM all zerkers.” This all comes down to explicitly stating what type of group you want in the LFG. Everything else that happens is just the consequence of someone not being straightforward with their intentions when setting up a group.

And again with the all zerkers. There have been several instances where it’s a normal non-LOL-DPS party that ask, and I tell them yes and link that, but continue to wear my survival set because that’s what my build is revolving around.

You’re literally focusing on the worst possible argument because anything else breaks your argument.

yeah i just edited but i’ll say it again. It’s fair to ask for gear ping up front unless they said it was ‘all classes’ or something. If someone just says in map chat "LFM’ and you respond and they ask for gear ping because they’re all zerker, you should either be all zerker or be like “sry not zerker.”

i only use zerker as the example because that’s really the only gear discrimination we see. I mean i could say “all clerics” but that wouldn’t really be realistic.

It’s link, not ping. Nowhere int he definition of Ping is there an overlap that could possibly be confused with link </pet peeve>.

And no, it’s not the only discrimination, its just the most common.

Kaellok.8143:

Sometimes when I’m walking around Lion’s Arch, I see people with sweet armor sets. While most people are friendly, sometimes when I whisper someone about their armor set, I get less than kind responses. Would it not be easier on everyone if there was an option to “inspect armor” when you right-click on someone’s character slate? You right click and then you see their gallery with all their armor and accessories and whatnot.

Since this thread got totally derailed I’m just going to post my idea to you with out reading the rest of the thread.

I think that ‘inspect player’ needs to be limited. Anet does not want to make this a game of stats/gear. (the ascended pieces should show everyone this, 5-8% above exotics for what the ascended items are kinda proves this). The fact that we have players that demand ‘ping gear’ on group joins is another reason we need to consider this feature carefully.

I think that the inspect window should show the following;

A dressing room Preview of the Target Players Armor. Each Slot filled with Visual items only (6/6 Armor, back piece, and Weapon Slots(including Swapped), Underwater Breather and weapons as well) – Names of the items, if they are transmuted or not and what level the item is. But Not their stats nor what is in the upgrade/infusion slots.

The Players current Trait Build out. – to me the main thing I want to see.

How many Unused Skill points that players character has. – To Show us how ‘old’ and played that character is.

I think anything other then that will be a tool to create a rift for players to grief others over.

That is all.

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@Sawnic

i’ve said everything in my first few posts, everything now is responses.

Maybe i don’t understand what you’re saying so i’ll break down the jist of what i remember:

-you admitted to pinging gear you dont wear in order to join zerker only groups. You maintain the “play how you want” yet you force your non-zerker gear on players that are simply trying to play how they want, which happens to be with other zerkers.

I guess you feel justified doing this because you don’t agree with players who insist on zerker gear only. But regardless how you feel about their playstyle, they’re only trying to “play how you want,” and unfortunately, the way they want to play doesn’t include your playstyle. So for some reason, you feel the need to punish people that play the game differently from you.

so what i’ve been getting is “play how you want” but it can’t inherently exclude other players. You are unable to “play how you want” because “the way you want” exludes you from certain groups with specific parameters from joining their group.

I never said I link gear to join zerker groups. I just said I link gear when people ask me if I have zerker gear.

fair enough, not that i condone lying. But if a group wants all zerkers, they should say “LFM all zerkers.” This all comes down to explicitly stating what type of group you want in the LFG. Everything else that happens is just the consequence of someone not being straightforward with their intentions when setting up a group.

And again with the all zerkers. There have been several instances where it’s a normal non-LOL-DPS party that ask, and I tell them yes and link that, but continue to wear my survival set because that’s what my build is revolving around.

You’re literally focusing on the worst possible argument because anything else breaks your argument.

yeah i just edited but i’ll say it again. It’s fair to ask for gear ping up front unless they said it was ‘all classes’ or something. If someone just says in map chat "LFM’ and you respond and they ask for gear ping because they’re all zerker, you should either be all zerker or be like “sry not zerker.”

i only use zerker as the example because that’s really the only gear discrimination we see. I mean i could say “all clerics” but that wouldn’t really be realistic.

It’s link, not ping. Nowhere int he definition of Ping is there an overlap that could possibly be confused with link </pet peeve>.

And no, it’s not the only discrimination, its just the most common.

see you ignored my point. Do you think it’s fair to state up front what type of gear you want people in your party to wear?

LeeroyNimoy.1864:

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Are 75% of GW2 players you run in to really that bad?? I mean, i have definitely met jerks in the game, but that is a very small percent of the overall players.

You’re just being cynical if you think:
1) the forums represent anything but a tiny fraction of the player base
2) that the majority of players are jerks just waiting for the right tools to unleash their rage.

I am cynical, but not for those reasons, I blame years of retail management for that. However, as a gamer and regular forum visiter/poster, I know full well that the forums traditionally represent the loudest group, not the largest group. I get that, don’t worry.

And 75% of GW2 players don’t have the tools to be that bad, we shouldn’t give it to them. If somebody has a tendancy in their nature, but can’t force that tendancy upon people then they aren’t percieved as jerks. However, if they are suddenly given a tool that makes it so people can see how bad they are, everyone knows they’re a jerk.

I’ll give an example from my retail experience, I had an associate that was great with people and a hard worker. He ended up getting a promotion, which alotted him certain tools, powers and responsibilities. Then, he started to abuse those powers and tools and everyone hated him for it.
To bring this full circle, people on the internet never have to see your face. They don’t need to like you or for you to like them. These folks can be anything they want to, anyone, act any ole way in the world, and the only reprecussion is that they get ignored. They don’t care about that, the internet brings out the worst in a lot of people, and the more tools they’re given to act a fool, the more they’ll act a fool. Even if said tools were made and implimented with the best of intentions.

Never forget that some of the worst attrocities in history were done with the best of intentions … and even Communisim looked good on paper.

“TL;DR all players will abuse /inspect because i believe it is so.”

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@Sawnic

i’ve said everything in my first few posts, everything now is responses.

Maybe i don’t understand what you’re saying so i’ll break down the jist of what i remember:

-you admitted to pinging gear you dont wear in order to join zerker only groups. You maintain the “play how you want” yet you force your non-zerker gear on players that are simply trying to play how they want, which happens to be with other zerkers.

I guess you feel justified doing this because you don’t agree with players who insist on zerker gear only. But regardless how you feel about their playstyle, they’re only trying to “play how you want,” and unfortunately, the way they want to play doesn’t include your playstyle. So for some reason, you feel the need to punish people that play the game differently from you.

so what i’ve been getting is “play how you want” but it can’t inherently exclude other players. You are unable to “play how you want” because “the way you want” exludes you from certain groups with specific parameters from joining their group.

I never said I link gear to join zerker groups. I just said I link gear when people ask me if I have zerker gear.

fair enough, not that i condone lying. But if a group wants all zerkers, they should say “LFM all zerkers.” This all comes down to explicitly stating what type of group you want in the LFG. Everything else that happens is just the consequence of someone not being straightforward with their intentions when setting up a group.

And again with the all zerkers. There have been several instances where it’s a normal non-LOL-DPS party that ask, and I tell them yes and link that, but continue to wear my survival set because that’s what my build is revolving around.

You’re literally focusing on the worst possible argument because anything else breaks your argument.

yeah i just edited but i’ll say it again. It’s fair to ask for gear ping up front unless they said it was ‘all classes’ or something. If someone just says in map chat "LFM’ and you respond and they ask for gear ping because they’re all zerker, you should either be all zerker or be like “sry not zerker.”

i only use zerker as the example because that’s really the only gear discrimination we see. I mean i could say “all clerics” but that wouldn’t really be realistic.

It’s link, not ping. Nowhere int he definition of Ping is there an overlap that could possibly be confused with link </pet peeve>.

And no, it’s not the only discrimination, its just the most common.

see you ignored my point. Do you think it’s fair to state up front what type of gear you want people in your party to wear?

Yes, people think that it is fair to demand other people wear certain things, and these are the peopel who breed eliticism. I am officially leaving this forum as it’s just going in circles and getting nowhere, I actually see it being closed soon.

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@Sawnic

i’ve said everything in my first few posts, everything now is responses.

Maybe i don’t understand what you’re saying so i’ll break down the jist of what i remember:

-you admitted to pinging gear you dont wear in order to join zerker only groups. You maintain the “play how you want” yet you force your non-zerker gear on players that are simply trying to play how they want, which happens to be with other zerkers.

I guess you feel justified doing this because you don’t agree with players who insist on zerker gear only. But regardless how you feel about their playstyle, they’re only trying to “play how you want,” and unfortunately, the way they want to play doesn’t include your playstyle. So for some reason, you feel the need to punish people that play the game differently from you.

so what i’ve been getting is “play how you want” but it can’t inherently exclude other players. You are unable to “play how you want” because “the way you want” exludes you from certain groups with specific parameters from joining their group.

I never said I link gear to join zerker groups. I just said I link gear when people ask me if I have zerker gear.

fair enough, not that i condone lying. But if a group wants all zerkers, they should say “LFM all zerkers.” This all comes down to explicitly stating what type of group you want in the LFG. Everything else that happens is just the consequence of someone not being straightforward with their intentions when setting up a group.

And again with the all zerkers. There have been several instances where it’s a normal non-LOL-DPS party that ask, and I tell them yes and link that, but continue to wear my survival set because that’s what my build is revolving around.

You’re literally focusing on the worst possible argument because anything else breaks your argument.

yeah i just edited but i’ll say it again. It’s fair to ask for gear ping up front unless they said it was ‘all classes’ or something. If someone just says in map chat "LFM’ and you respond and they ask for gear ping because they’re all zerker, you should either be all zerker or be like “sry not zerker.”

i only use zerker as the example because that’s really the only gear discrimination we see. I mean i could say “all clerics” but that wouldn’t really be realistic.

It’s link, not ping. Nowhere int he definition of Ping is there an overlap that could possibly be confused with link </pet peeve>.

And no, it’s not the only discrimination, its just the most common.

see you ignored my point. Do you think it’s fair to state up front what type of gear you want people in your party to wear?

No, I got your point. I just didn’t comment on it because I have been this whole thread.

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@Sawnic

i’ve said everything in my first few posts, everything now is responses.

Maybe i don’t understand what you’re saying so i’ll break down the jist of what i remember:

-you admitted to pinging gear you dont wear in order to join zerker only groups. You maintain the “play how you want” yet you force your non-zerker gear on players that are simply trying to play how they want, which happens to be with other zerkers.

I guess you feel justified doing this because you don’t agree with players who insist on zerker gear only. But regardless how you feel about their playstyle, they’re only trying to “play how you want,” and unfortunately, the way they want to play doesn’t include your playstyle. So for some reason, you feel the need to punish people that play the game differently from you.

so what i’ve been getting is “play how you want” but it can’t inherently exclude other players. You are unable to “play how you want” because “the way you want” exludes you from certain groups with specific parameters from joining their group.

I never said I link gear to join zerker groups. I just said I link gear when people ask me if I have zerker gear.

fair enough, not that i condone lying. But if a group wants all zerkers, they should say “LFM all zerkers.” This all comes down to explicitly stating what type of group you want in the LFG. Everything else that happens is just the consequence of someone not being straightforward with their intentions when setting up a group.

And again with the all zerkers. There have been several instances where it’s a normal non-LOL-DPS party that ask, and I tell them yes and link that, but continue to wear my survival set because that’s what my build is revolving around.

You’re literally focusing on the worst possible argument because anything else breaks your argument.

yeah i just edited but i’ll say it again. It’s fair to ask for gear ping up front unless they said it was ‘all classes’ or something. If someone just says in map chat "LFM’ and you respond and they ask for gear ping because they’re all zerker, you should either be all zerker or be like “sry not zerker.”

i only use zerker as the example because that’s really the only gear discrimination we see. I mean i could say “all clerics” but that wouldn’t really be realistic.

It’s link, not ping. Nowhere int he definition of Ping is there an overlap that could possibly be confused with link </pet peeve>.

And no, it’s not the only discrimination, its just the most common.

see you ignored my point. Do you think it’s fair to state up front what type of gear you want people in your party to wear?

Yes, people think that it is fair to demand other people wear certain things, and these are the peopel who breed eliticism. I am officially leaving this forum as it’s just going in circles and getting nowhere, I actually see it being closed soon.

If you don’t want to meet the demands of the group, join another group. The majority of the groups out there are don’t care about your gear anyway.

Just because someone prefers to play with a group set-up, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be able to simply because you disagree with it.

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@Sawnic

i’ve said everything in my first few posts, everything now is responses.

Maybe i don’t understand what you’re saying so i’ll break down the jist of what i remember:

-you admitted to pinging gear you dont wear in order to join zerker only groups. You maintain the “play how you want” yet you force your non-zerker gear on players that are simply trying to play how they want, which happens to be with other zerkers.

I guess you feel justified doing this because you don’t agree with players who insist on zerker gear only. But regardless how you feel about their playstyle, they’re only trying to “play how you want,” and unfortunately, the way they want to play doesn’t include your playstyle. So for some reason, you feel the need to punish people that play the game differently from you.

so what i’ve been getting is “play how you want” but it can’t inherently exclude other players. You are unable to “play how you want” because “the way you want” exludes you from certain groups with specific parameters from joining their group.

I never said I link gear to join zerker groups. I just said I link gear when people ask me if I have zerker gear.

fair enough, not that i condone lying. But if a group wants all zerkers, they should say “LFM all zerkers.” This all comes down to explicitly stating what type of group you want in the LFG. Everything else that happens is just the consequence of someone not being straightforward with their intentions when setting up a group.

And again with the all zerkers. There have been several instances where it’s a normal non-LOL-DPS party that ask, and I tell them yes and link that, but continue to wear my survival set because that’s what my build is revolving around.

You’re literally focusing on the worst possible argument because anything else breaks your argument.

yeah i just edited but i’ll say it again. It’s fair to ask for gear ping up front unless they said it was ‘all classes’ or something. If someone just says in map chat "LFM’ and you respond and they ask for gear ping because they’re all zerker, you should either be all zerker or be like “sry not zerker.”

i only use zerker as the example because that’s really the only gear discrimination we see. I mean i could say “all clerics” but that wouldn’t really be realistic.

It’s link, not ping. Nowhere int he definition of Ping is there an overlap that could possibly be confused with link </pet peeve>.

And no, it’s not the only discrimination, its just the most common.

see you ignored my point. Do you think it’s fair to state up front what type of gear you want people in your party to wear?

No, I got your point. I just didn’t comment on it because I have been this whole thread.

“play how you want…. as long as i’m ok with it”

you’re worried that (based on your past comments) /inspect will lead to certain gear choices being required to join any group. Have you thought of making your own group? Seems like there are enough people in this thread alone to make a group where gear choice doesn’t matter. Heck, i would join that group too.

the point, that i feel i keep repeating, is that if you don’t care about what gear people wear, you should be able to make a group with that as the specifications—bonus points for saying so in the LFG.

But also, if you want to make a group where gear choice does matter, you should also be free to that as well. Again, bonus points for stating so in the LFG and not-being-a-jerk about asking the person not meeting group specifications to leave.

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@Sawnic

i’ve said everything in my first few posts, everything now is responses.

Maybe i don’t understand what you’re saying so i’ll break down the jist of what i remember:

-you admitted to pinging gear you dont wear in order to join zerker only groups. You maintain the “play how you want” yet you force your non-zerker gear on players that are simply trying to play how they want, which happens to be with other zerkers.

I guess you feel justified doing this because you don’t agree with players who insist on zerker gear only. But regardless how you feel about their playstyle, they’re only trying to “play how you want,” and unfortunately, the way they want to play doesn’t include your playstyle. So for some reason, you feel the need to punish people that play the game differently from you.

so what i’ve been getting is “play how you want” but it can’t inherently exclude other players. You are unable to “play how you want” because “the way you want” exludes you from certain groups with specific parameters from joining their group.

I never said I link gear to join zerker groups. I just said I link gear when people ask me if I have zerker gear.

fair enough, not that i condone lying. But if a group wants all zerkers, they should say “LFM all zerkers.” This all comes down to explicitly stating what type of group you want in the LFG. Everything else that happens is just the consequence of someone not being straightforward with their intentions when setting up a group.

And again with the all zerkers. There have been several instances where it’s a normal non-LOL-DPS party that ask, and I tell them yes and link that, but continue to wear my survival set because that’s what my build is revolving around.

You’re literally focusing on the worst possible argument because anything else breaks your argument.

yeah i just edited but i’ll say it again. It’s fair to ask for gear ping up front unless they said it was ‘all classes’ or something. If someone just says in map chat "LFM’ and you respond and they ask for gear ping because they’re all zerker, you should either be all zerker or be like “sry not zerker.”

i only use zerker as the example because that’s really the only gear discrimination we see. I mean i could say “all clerics” but that wouldn’t really be realistic.

It’s link, not ping. Nowhere int he definition of Ping is there an overlap that could possibly be confused with link </pet peeve>.

And no, it’s not the only discrimination, its just the most common.

see you ignored my point. Do you think it’s fair to state up front what type of gear you want people in your party to wear?

No, I got your point. I just didn’t comment on it because I have been this whole thread.

“play how you want…. as long as i’m ok with it”

That’s how you’re deciding to read what I have to say, I suppose.

But I’m done talking circles with you. Whenever you get shot down, you twist what was said to make it sound like it wasn’t, or you just ignore most of the comment that disagrees with yours, and focus on the heavy bits (taken out of context, no less) to support your already flawed claim.

The thing isn’t so much the only groups. It’s the unstated groups.. At least when askedc to ping you know what’s going on. Games that have inspect tend to be plagued by people that don’t declare that they only want certain builds and then boot you as you join and they do a fast inspect.

This becomes a very unfriendly place for newer and less experienced players. Anets goal is to encourage a welcoming and helpful community. Inspection can lead to a very cold and non communicative community.

As such if it wasn’t already a deliberate act to leave inspect out of the game, that I would find it unlikely to be added as it often serves to alienate players vs provide anything helpful.

As stated in all your back and forth you can ask others to link gear if you are that worried about their gear. But this is still open communication which is preferential to just join group and get kicked 5 sec later because they didn’t like your gear.

And an aside. Just like mentioned above you could hold a while zerker set to link you could just as easily wear a set to join the group and swap out once you start. The addition of an inspect tool will not really add anything to the game that can’t be done already. It however can lead to more problems. I would much ratherThe devs spend the resources on building other things

As a reminder to everyone, please stay on topic and do not engage in personal discussions or personal attacks. Thank you.