Guild Wars 2

The only “mount” I would ever be able to get behind the idea of would be if it was a multi-seat heavy-duty siege vehicle exclusive to WvW, maybe essentially a giant APC to transport large amount of players, and then sneak in a nerf to zerging to promote the use of said APCs

bynkowski.9046:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9NLSkCAHgs

:P

That made me smile, then it occurred to me that Quaggans are sentient.

This is what I be like every time someone suggests mounts in GW2 http://www.firebox.com/video/3798

Bron.9647:

As far as aerial mounts go, they would ruin WvW. Why go through the trouble of building a ram or catapult to break down a door or wall when you can just fly right in? There’s a reason keeps and castles were effective in the middle ages…because there were no airplanes or helicopters.

You must never heard ever anything about FLAK Cannons, or ??
http://www.andrew-wood3d.com/images/WIP/Hydra_Cannon_02.jpg

Cannons, that are especially made and effective for the defense of flying enemies.
Its a military short term from the german word of “Flugabwehrkanone”, what would basicalyl stand for in english as AAG > Anti-Aircraft-Gun …or in case of british english, they call this an Archie (whyever o_O)

So, don’t you think, that Anet can#t be inspirative to design some kind of Siege Weapon, that could be used especially effective agaisnt flying enemies.
The game even basically already has 2 kinds of weapons that could do this work too:

Ballistas and Arrrow Carts. But basically anet coould implement also too Arbalests, which are oversized grounded crossbows that shoot massive huge arrows which are also extremly devastating to any kind of flying enemy, if somethign like that hits you in the air and drills itself through your body leaving a big hole in you that is some really serious wound that definetely would brign any flying creature down to earth in a matter of seconds due to massive blood loss!!

Seriously, alot of people need to become finally alot more open minded, when it comes down to Mounts/Flying Mounts.
Both could be very great features in GW2, that cold massively improve this game and make it more fun.
Its all just about it, how ANet would implement them.

If ANet would merge all of those silly 3 borderlands maps to 1 single new redesigned map, we would ebven have instantly 1 map, that would be huge enough for something like Mounts on the ground and flying mounts. The new upcoming WvW Map about the Edge of the Mists will also be a huge map, that will be much bigger I think, than any of the current maps we have and thats defionetely the way how Anet needs to improve WvW by making the maps alot bigger, so that they just have the space in there to improve the gameplay mode with much mure features, that enhance that mode with mechanics, which can massively improve the player feelign of really participatign in some kind of epic WARS, that truly feel like wars, why the dangers of your enemies can hit you also from the sky and not only from the ground
Where enemy can try to bombard an enemy keep from the sky to weaken its defense, before a large infantry army of a zerg tries to conquer that keep.

Keeps/Towers simply would be a DANGER ZONE, where players on flying mounts CAN’T land. players on flying mounts would be own units, that can start and land only from their own keeps, if the keeps would be upgraded to the point, that theres a place for flying off with your summoned mounts, which wold have to be some kind of high tower or so
Solutions are sometime so easy, but alot of people simply are so kittening blinded by their own hate towards mounts and anything that has to do with them, they they can#t come up with such simple solutions.

its absolutely senseless to discuss with such people, as they aren’t creative, nor willing at all enough to constructively think at all about solutions..

All i see such people permanently do only is non stop QQing about this feature and all the nonsensical reasons they come up with, why tey think that mounts would be suuuuuuch a bad thing …
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@Kentaine:

I’ve fricking enough now.. here you absolute ignorant fool, read kittenING THIS BOOK!!!

Edge of Destiny, page 97:

Visions. Beautiful visions… a grassy plain where wild horses ran… a deep lagoon encircled by leaning palms… […]

They even were in multiple art works of Anet, especially in this one:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/4/48/Human_architecture_05_concept_art.jpg/800px-Human_architecture_05_concept_art.jpg

it even exists in the CANTHAN LORE
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/An_Empire_Divided:_A_Selected_History_of_Mysterious_Cantha_for_the_Traveling_Scholar – search for horsemanship or just simply horse

Also theres this QUOTE from a NPC in GW1 in Cantha, that further strenghthens the point, that horses are a strong embedded lore point of Canthan History and thus its just a god darn kittening proof, that horses are fully well known as creatures in this games world and thus simply just EXIST.

“Hey, hey you! I was riding my horse to the other side of town and I ran out of hey to feed him to get there. Spare a few gold so I can feed him and be on my way?”
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zumo_the_Beggar

Fact is just only, they never got used SO FAR in the games, what absolutely doesn#t mean, that Anet never ever will use them maybe. Who might know, if we ever get an expansion with Cantha, we possible might see them there, because as it looks, horses seem to by in the world of tyria, that is exclusive to Cantha. They seem so far to exist only there and the lore stuff in the Destiny#s Edge book on page 97 for the english version of this book (page 107 for the german version) doesn#t tell ,where exactly that point in the world is, that the characters see through the Asura Gate, we have absolutely no clues, where this lagoon in Tyria is, where those wild horses were running around.
It might have been some kind of place in Cantha, that wasn’t explorable in GW1
If we look at the world map of t<ria, we can understand by now, that Cantha is much much bigger, than what we have seen in GW1.
The part of Cantha in GW1 is only a small part of the whole Continent!!! There are huge unknown unexplored regions south of the Jade Sea behind some mountains where we have never been before…

ANet has also told us by lore, that Giganticus Lupicus are something, that got erased from the world of Tyria like 10000 years ago and just god darn it look at Arah, there we can fight just one of them in an undead form !!! thats 10000 years old ….
So they already have placed something into the game, that basically shouldn#t already exist in the world of Tyria anymore.
Horses are like the Giganticus Lupucs, something that was in terms of GW1 just lore, but never be seen in the game.

Who the kittening hell are you guys to tell us, who believe in mounts, or ANet as a neutral observer, what or what not should exist in THEIR game???
If Anet should ever come up with the point, that they want to implement horses somehow into this game, then you also just have to accept this decision – or not.
Fact is just simply, in regard of lore, in regard of ART, they simply are proofed to exist.
Any kind of telling, they don’t exist in this game is just a big lie, one of a very uninformed person, that is too lazy to inform him/hisself about the true lore of this game.

Lastly here…READ IT i can say only again…and everytime an uninformed fool says, there exist no horses in Tyria

http://dkpfiles.com/excineribus/files/Edge%20of%20Destiny%20-%20J.%20Robert%20King.pdf

The whole book in digital in English for you guys!!
Again, just search in there word the word Hors,e and you will quickly find alot of points, where it has been used, and also quickly the spot, where the described scene is above.

Hello all,

I know that this topic has been discussed A LOT during the open beta and such.
But as I was inactive for several months after I’ve hit 80, I want to be updated.

Are there still not ANY mounts in this game? And by mounts I’m talking about flying mounts for now.

You know, one thing of mmorpg’s which I love so much: is exploring.
And by flying on a mount over the content which has been created is such a relief.
It’s breathtaking sometimes when you can create a beautiful game like this.

I just want a mount to fly endlessly and just stare at my screen.

So will there be any flying mount in the future? Or is there any?
I would be willing to pay a lot for it, just give me a price

I wish everyone a happy (early) 2014!

Are you going to fly endlessly in circles? Cause you know the pve zones are instanced

anyway it’s very unlikely they will add flying mounts. I can see there being regular mounts however. I can imagine they are thinking about it now and trying to decide how many thousands of gems it should cost.

Nope, no mounts of any kind. Not now, not ever.

Can buy one in the gemstore now. It is a broomstick.

Due to jumping puzzles and vistas being on the ends of jumping puzzles ANet will never add flying mounts. Would trivialize too much content.

Flying mounts, something else to grind for.

Sounds like you’re trying to make it more of a WoW clone than it’s already started to become.

They don’t need flying mounts in this game. They’ll never compete with WoW and that’s coming from someone who’s bored of WoW.

Seera.5916:

Due to jumping puzzles and vistas being on the ends of jumping puzzles ANet will never add flying mounts. Would trivialize too much content.

I think at the time one could afford a flying mount. They will either have all of the vistas, or they are never going to get them.

The terrain in GW2 is not really conducive to mounts, flying or otherwise and as some one has said jumping puzzles and vistas.

That said we do have a broom and it is amazing for zipping short distances ;P

I hope I never see mounts in this game lol

Lets first get Grounded Mounts then we can expand our wishlist

FLYING MINI SHATTERER with an Ele nuking down on you!!! YEA MAN!

Nabuko Darayon.9645:

Lets first get Grounded Mounts then we can expand our wishlist

FLYING MINI SHATTERER with an Ele nuking down on you!!! YEA MAN!

You could always play WoW, then you would be spoilt for mounts, flying and otherwise.

Um……I have seen players (like me) running into all sorts of obstacles just on 2 planes, you want to add a third? I am happy with jumping off stuff but I don’t want the mechanic of flying…..I don’t even want horses, play Skyrim if you want that.

That kind of mount would only make sense in a seamless open world.

GW2 has separately loaded maps, and they are not designed to fly within them. That’s what waypoints are for.

Why would you need a flying mount for?

Mounts in GW2 have particular purposes and unique skills within an area, like a siege golem, or like Junundu and Siege Devourers were in GW1.

The closest thing to a mount you can get and probably will ever get in GW2 is the asura Sommon Power Suit skill.

Part 1)

The way I’d love to see Flying Mounts somehow useable in GW2 is like a mixture of Gameplay based on games like Drakan, the Drakengard Games and the upcoming MMORPG named BLESS.

BLESS offers flying mount mechanics and gameplay, that I have never ever seen before in such a brilliant trustworthy epic way before.
Also its combat system just looks more action based and epic, than currently GW2 does. This game provides really fearsome enemies and monsters.. all of the stuff in GW2 we have battled agaisnt so far just looks way too “nice”.

GW2 needs to become darker, more mature, the majority of GW2 players aren’t 12 year old KIDS. They majority of GW2 players are 16+ year old teens to adults imo and adults expect alos some more mature content

http://www.gamespot.com/videos/bless-official-trailer/2300-6399662/

The stuff regarding flying mounts you see in this trailer, wasn#t just rendered animated stuff or so mostly, alot of it was ingame graphics showing playable content.
You can really fly in BLESS Dragons for exple around and use them to let them transport you from A to B. You can land with your mount everywhere, wheres enough space for the dragon to land basically.

Mounts/Flying Mounts would be such a great feature, that fits also into GW2, its everythign just only a matter, of how Anet would implement them and restrict their usage in the game, so that they can’t be used in portions of the game, where it simply makes no sense to use them, like million times said.. towns for example.

Theres no single arguement agaisnt mounts, that is impossible to be solved to make them a feature for GW2, that just fits into the game by their very own unique ways that would be tailored around the world of GW2 and its own different game mechanics that Mounts have to fit for to not make the Way Poitn System obsolete, what Mounts in general would never be able to do anyway, unless you could instant travel with them to everywhere without havign to pay any costs for that, but that would be nonsense and every stupid idiot here knows it, that somethign liek that would never happen, if anet would implement Mounts.

Mounts would trivialize absolutely nothing, as long Anet simply doesn’t let it happen to be able to fly with mounts simply everywhere.

Most high vistas and jumping puzzles people keep on speaking about, simply have not the stupid massive SPACE for a huge flying mount to land simply there.
Flight Mounts need alot of space and plain fields to land safely.

A small tiny pointy mountain with a vista on top is surely not a place for a big gryphon or so with you on top to land simply on it.

Flight Mounts are also a feature, thats all of the Z-Axis, means if you would go down with your Mount until a point, where it becomes too low for them to fly, players could automatically steer up again with the mount or the mount could land with you automatically at the next nearest spot, that offes enough space and a plain field to safely land there leadign to the point, that the player still has to do the JP, or to climb that mountain ,to reach the JP/Vista normally ….

kitten, people, get finally open minded, its everythign just a matter of how Anets implements it, not trying to repeat lots of various gamplay design mistakes that games like WoW and its tons of WoW Clones have made in the past that currently some of the upcoming games like Bless seem to slowly not to repeat, nut instead realyl innovatively improve the feature around Mounts/Flight Mounts instead to make that feature simply better in general.

Get please finally all those rediculous fears from you out of your hears, that make you blind for all of the massive potentials that lie in mounts and flight mounts to improve this game, only because of you and alot of other people having made bad experiences with this feature in the past with games like WoW and its tons of bad clones.

Part 2)

Give finally the Developers a fair chance to proof you, that they can do something much much much better with the feature of mounts/flight mounts, than any other MMORPG before them.

Don’t let innovative MMORPG’s from the east, like Bless make GW2 look like some extremely outdated AAA game, that gets already outdated after its 1st year of beign released, only because of this game having a real bad community, that is full of scaredy cats, which have absolutely ZERO trust in the developers of ANet, that they all even aren’t willing to give Anet a slightest chance in prooving, that all of their silly childish fears were for completely NO REASON

Making MMORPG’s is an eternal process of evolution. Nothign that has been made in the past will stay bad game design forever.
Things change over time, techniques of game design improve over time, which again improve in many ways and open up new possibilities of much better game design and game features, than what was possible like 5-10 years ago!!

MMORPG’s are a very quickly improving and expanding market, especially in the east, where tons of developers program alot of MMOs non stop in countries like South Korea, China and especially Japan, because of the videogame market there beign still the biggest one and the competion there on the MMO market being alot bigger, than in the west.

Like 90% of all MMO’s that come out ,are like games, that are produced in the east, thats stil lthe reason, why most of all the free to play games with high budgets to make up for professional bigger scaled budget MMO’s, you see always eastern publishing companies in their back, like NCSoft, Neowiz, Pearl Abyss, Tencent > side note, china publisher and its the NUMBER 4 of the worlds biggest companies, right after Google, Amazon and Ebay, so the chinese peopel have one of the biggest MMO game publishers of the whoel world in their backline…. so you know, where the biggest game development is found for the MMO market, especially MMORPGS…. while western companies, like Google, Amazon and Ebay, absolutely do ZERO in this market!!!

Yes i know, realyl alot of people are scared from these games, because they tend to fall quickly under the common known term of becoming “asia grinders”.

But I really can’t understand, whats the fear of so many people against mounts, when moutns could be just some kind of horizontal progression with the positive side effect, that their give the player an alternative travel method, that can’t be superior to Way Points, gives Naet an option to make provit also over the Gem Store and gives players also something new to cllect, that is prestigeous, simply for those people, that find for example collectinmg legendary weapons unappealing and owuld rather spent their money and effort onto other kinds of horizonmtal progression and prestige stuff, like mounts and housing for example.

One last time again.
It all is just only a matte, of how exatly Anet does implement those features

The devs of Anet are surely also not so stupid just to implement a feature like mounts, only to repeat with them then ancient old mistakes from games, which are over 8 years old and where simply the game design tools, techniques ect. were by far not so good, as like they are today many years later now!!

Azala Yar.7693:

Flying mounts, something else to grind for.

Sounds like you’re trying to make it more of a WoW clone than it’s already started to become.

They don’t need flying mounts in this game. They’ll never compete with WoW and that’s coming from someone who’s bored of WoW.

Uhm..In what way is GW2 becoming WoW?

Fomby.4295:

Seera.5916:

Due to jumping puzzles and vistas being on the ends of jumping puzzles ANet will never add flying mounts. Would trivialize too much content.

I think at the time one could afford a flying mount. They will either have all of the vistas, or they are never going to get them.

So how do you propose this happens?

Gems? People with wallets full of money can buy gems the day they get the game.

Gold? See above just with the gems converted to gold.

Yet another account bound currency that players who don’t want mounts have to deal with? They break the no grind for things that advantages promise again.

Use current account bound currencies instead? See the current discussion on how it’s a grind to get those currencies in the first place. And see above about the promise being broken.

So please tell me how a flying mount would not trivialize jumping puzzles and vistas.

Kalgert.5681:

Azala Yar.7693:

Flying mounts, something else to grind for.

Sounds like you’re trying to make it more of a WoW clone than it’s already started to become.

They don’t need flying mounts in this game. They’ll never compete with WoW and that’s coming from someone who’s bored of WoW.

Uhm..In what way is GW2 becoming WoW?

With Ascended armour being the norm now, it is starting to become a gear treadmill, while people may say “it isn’t required”, then why was it even put into the game.

People say we don’t need mounts, and yet we have out of combat speed. Why not replace out of combat speed with mounts(because that would make sense). That way people can ride goats (or whatever the heck asurans get on), being in out of combat speed would actualy make you out of combat (kinda hard to pull off a spinning greatsword from attop a donkey), and this would open up the ability to ride dolyaks. Yes you heard me -RIDE DOLYAKS-. Now im aware that in alot of games you just go into your inventory, double click an item, and POOF the animal appears and you take them for a jog, I think that’s exactly what should -not- be done. Animals should be like the robot suits in wvw, walk up, press F, ride around. And if something kills your animal, well hahaha guess what, you gota go round on foot. slow slow foot speed. This really wouldnt be a punishment to players since theres already WP’s everywhere, and i think it would add abit more depth to the game than “oh well i died, ill just WP over here pop my swift and haul butt right back to where i was”. And above all else, i think it would make the game feel more REAL, youd be interacting with an animal, something you gota pay for(or borrow), take care of, and that has a clear impact on your game play. Or ya know we could just keep flying around at 20 miles per hour with nothin but boots, I just thought I would bring the idea up.

If this ever does get taken into consideration heres a list of mounts i think people would like to see most- Dolyak(#1), karka, Let players ride each other (because I would love to see an asuran carry a norn around, you could make their little arms shake and wobble as they do it), Moa, Rock and ice elementals (they dont really have to be going that fast, it would just be cool), and pretty much anything that looks like it could carry a character, really you could have abuncha slime carry people around, i think the players would love it more the more rediculous it seems.

NO.

You say that, and yet theres still people who wana ride stuff

I think they are unnecessary.
I am a player who’s first mmo was gw2, and i find mounts completely not needed.
-never needed to go faster(and i main a freaking guardian) or felt the need to ride an animal.

I too do not see it necessary.
This is why there are lots of waypoints around maps in pve.
And world vs world vs world maps are not that big to necessary have a mount.
Last thing is the 25% increase speed from traits/signets/rune of traveler and 33% increase speed while having swiftness buff .

I somehow agree that guardian needs a 25% speed signet/trait and others who do not have it.

And as I know.. there is only dolyac as capable mount.. (from hoelbrak screenshot you can see norn who ride dolyac)

NO. I would quit Gw2 if they added mounts, and I know plenty of others that would too. Gw1 was perfectly fine without mounts, and so is Gw2. Take your mounts back to WoW.

No no no no. This stuff is in every other Mmo and I don’t Gw2 to follow that. Anyways mounts are unnecessary in this game because we already have the waypoint system. Be happy with your sonic dredge tool please

God, can you all just stop with this pestering of mounts…..mounts are not gonna come…there is a cosmetic mount (broom) in the gem store, ride it and make you dreams come true.

Mounts are sooo oldschool. Use Asuran Waypoints.

I like the idea of mounts, but not in Guildwars. Mounts DO NOT fit in the lore of guild wars. There are no horses, AT ALL, I’ve looked throughout dozens of zones in GW1 trying to find even a hint of something that could be considered a mount. Dolyak is it, and those go slower than your character. If you want to ride a dolyak, fine put in mounts, but it better give a -25% to your speed at least to fit with their design.

The waypoints are the entire reason why GW does not need mounts. You can TELEPORT where ever you want to go if you’ve been there already.

The only way I’d like mounts is if, unlike most other MMOs, they could be used in battle… effectively.

But again, I could care less about them since the lore doesn’t support it. Drakes are pets, the big cats aren’t big enough (Except for asura… that might be funny to see actually, an Asura riding one of Melandru’s stalkers), and anything that IS big enough (other than dolyaks) is aggressive towards humanoids to the point that they aren’t tamable.

Mounts arent old school, they make sense, Heck the devs knew people needed a quicker way to get around besides waypoints, thats why we have out of combat speed so we can run fast as heck, All im suggesting is taking that out and replacing it with something cooler

Mounts aren’t “cooler” though. The game’s fine as it is.

…Yes the games fine as it is, which is why this suggestions forum is constantly getting new threads. How silly of me. I apologise

Edit: To clarify, love the game, its great, which is why i wana see more stuff in it

P.S. Maybe there’s a reason people keep making threads about mounts?

people are too used to how other MMOs do it. there really is no need for mounts in the game. a minor clarification though, just because horses are not -shown- in the game, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. the devs have said that we only get to see a small percentage of the actual wildlife, to avoid being flooded with critters.

Theres no need for mounts, your right, Between waypoints and as fast as they let characters run outa combat, we really dont need them…but the question is do we WANT mounts.

Silhouette.5631:

but the question is do we WANT mounts.

No

You say that, and yet threads like this keep popping up

Silhouette.5631:

You say that, and yet threads like this keep popping up

And if you follow them you will see that most people responding to them say they don’t want mounts. Just because some says, “OMG I want teh mounts so kewl!!” once a week or so doesn’t mean we all want mounts.

For me I don’t want them for aesthetic reasons. I find mounts silly looking and visually unappealing. In a game so deeply based on visuals I’d rather not see mounts.

Silhouette.5631:

You say that, and yet threads like this keep popping up

because none of you listen or care what other players think. There were multiple reasons given to you guys why having mounts in this game is a bad idea and every single one of them were ignored. Since you’ll never pay attention to us, you’ll continue to post mount threads and everyone else will continue to say, “no”.

You guys won’t admit that you won’t take anything less than “yes” when the fact is: If GW2 is to have mounts they would need to redesign the whole game. In regards to anet’s track record, that is never going to happen.

Kentaine.4692:

I like the idea of mounts, but not in Guildwars. Mounts DO NOT fit in the lore of guild wars. There are no horses, AT ALL, I’ve looked throughout dozens of zones in GW1 trying to find even a hint of something that could be considered a mount. Dolyak is it, and those go slower than your character. If you want to ride a dolyak, fine put in mounts, but it better give a -25% to your speed at least to fit with their design.

The waypoints are the entire reason why GW does not need mounts. You can TELEPORT where ever you want to go if you’ve been there already.

The only way I’d like mounts is if, unlike most other MMOs, they could be used in battle… effectively.

But again, I could care less about them since the lore doesn’t support it. Drakes are pets, the big cats aren’t big enough (Except for asura… that might be funny to see actually, an Asura riding one of Melandru’s stalkers), and anything that IS big enough (other than dolyaks) is aggressive towards humanoids to the point that they aren’t tamable.

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/2753/Human_architecture_05_concept_art.jpg

Skyrim has both mounts and fast travel and it worked fine.

runeblade.7514:

Skyrim has both mounts and fast travel and it worked fine.

Skyrim uses fast-forward, but not fast travel.
Fast-forward is not possible in GW2 as GW2 is a real-time MMO.

Mounts are unnecessary and senseless in GW2, the maps are not large enough to accomodate mount usage in a sensible way. Large-distance travelling is already covered by Asuran waypoints.

Instead of mounts, however, what about a waypoint flatrate?
250 Gems (Duration: 30 days)
1250 Gems† (Duration: Permanent)

†) Limited availability during special events only.
We already got “gathering tool flatrates” so that wouldn’t hurt the economy either.

Please explain to me how hopping on a dolyak, and running abit faster than you can go on foot, would require a redesign of the whole game, when you can already jump into a mech(that make u go slower but point still stands), use waypoints, and heck grab FLAMING SWORDS that make you go faster….on that note does the flaming sword summon count as a mount?

Maps aren’t large enough? Ok explain to me if large distance travel is covered by asuran waypoints why do we have out of combat speed? and does nobody here remember their first run little run into orr? Ya know with all those zombies trying to maul you

EDIT: You know someone mentioned that there were threads posted that took the same path as this one. Instead of me giving you a kitten comment or explaining something I already explained 5 times, I suggest you go read the 50 other mount threads and maybe do some research so that you have a better understanding of where all these non-supporters are coming from.

Zoid.2568:

Not mounts but i’d like movement effects for each class. Like Elementalist would ride a cloud of lightning or an Engineer would ride a cool bike of some sort etc.

Now this is a good happy medium for this discussion!

Mounts would KILL the purpose of using a waypoint!!!!! What else are they there for?

You keep saying “But threads like this keep popping up” would you look at the response your getting???? You are completely outnumbered win people saying they DONT WANT MOUNTS. Face you have your broom and your sonic drill be happy and hope they add more, but do take not the majority don’t want mounts.

Mounts could actually be useful for many things.
Immersion.
Combat.
Travel.
etc.

A lot of you are saying no, but you offer very little to the discussion as to why they shouldn’t be in GW2. This is why developers hate coming to these forums, because when a minority of people offer constructive ideas, the majority of fanboys shout them down, saying things like, “Go back to WoW!1”.

Just because you didn’t like them in another MMO, doesn’t mean it couldn’t work in GW2. In fact, A-net could probably make them better and different, as they have with a lot of ideas in this game.

In fact, waypoints kill many aspects of an MMO. The instant teleportation was a nice idea, but it kills immersion in the long run. Take WvW for instance. Imagine having a caravan or a vanguard of mounts on your way to battle. Just like the real life battles were, but instead you have unrealistic mobs of people running for “miles” to a fort, instead of marching and camping out.

I could go on, but there isn’t any point, someone will reply to this with, “go bak to wow/mmo!1 GW2 iz da future!”