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Please give us a way to "inspect" other players.
You can ask them you know…
I get asked all the time about my armor, and I’m glad to link it and tell them where I found it as well. I see no need for inspect when you can simply ask.
You can ask them you know…
I get asked all the time about my armor, and I’m glad to link it and tell them where I found it as well. I see no need for inspect when you can simply ask.
What if they are AFK… what if they don’t respond… what if you don’t feel like talking to them? What if they don’t feel like talking to you? I hardly respond to whispers myself.
There is already a thread for this (I know, they get buried quickly) – https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/player-inspect-option
Then it gives you a goal in the game. To look for that sweet piece of armor.
You can send a mail, or ask someone else with the same type or armor. Ask guildies, ask in general chat. There are many ways to find out what you need.
I do not like inspect because it reduces what a player is. A player stops being “Jasher the player”, but becomes “Jasher the undergeared dude” or “Jasher the ranger with +healing”, or “Jasher the vit stacker”.
I HATE when players are labeled like that. I prefer when a player is labeled as “Jasher the good player”, or “Jasher the friendly player”. The less we are turned into numbers, or stats, the better.
Then it gives you a goal in the game. To look for that sweet piece of armor.
You can send a mail, or ask someone else with the same type or armor. Ask guildies, ask in general chat. There are many ways to find out what you need.
I do not like inspect because it reduces what a player is. A player stops being “Jasher the player”, but becomes “Jasher the undergeared dude” or “Jasher the ranger with +healing”, or “Jasher the vit stacker”.
I HATE when players are labeled like that. I prefer when a player is labeled as “Jasher the good player”, or “Jasher the friendly player”. The less we are turned into numbers, or stats, the better.
I don’t get posts like this.
You have a game where all players are created equal (no trinity).
You have a game where, after a certain minimal effort, all gear is created equal (lvl 80 exotics are even across the board, no 6 month gear progression).
Then you want the anonymity of players protected so I can’t look at that sweetkitten helmet and figure out it came from Caudecus’ Manor. What if I don’t give two siamese kittens what stats it has, and just want to know where it came from?
Yes, I could ask you, but I don’t care about you. I care about the helmet and want to know where it exists in the game. If I wanted to strike up a conversation with you about your fashion, I could do so, but not everyone is interested in doing that, and besides which, not everyone who is asked is interested in responding. TBH I’d rather people look up what gear I have on than constantly spam me asking about where I got my rad lewtz.
It’s like you people come from a different planet where pixellated avatar characters have constitutional rights to privacy that you don’t want invaded on the extremely slight chance that it might come off as vaguely related to some other game which was prejudicial towards people based on their socio-gearonomic class.
tl;dr
Be less cuddly, not every feature from other games is satanic and evil. You won the war, no gear progression. You won the war, no trinity. Don’t stomp on the refugees because they still want a couple of simple, USEFUL features that everyone would take part in just because you are afraid it will spawn neo-nazis in your game.
(edited by Lord Jaguar.9504)
Then it gives you a goal in the game. To look for that sweet piece of armor.
You can send a mail, or ask someone else with the same type or armor. Ask guildies, ask in general chat. There are many ways to find out what you need.
I do not like inspect because it reduces what a player is. A player stops being “Jasher the player”, but becomes “Jasher the undergeared dude” or “Jasher the ranger with +healing”, or “Jasher the vit stacker”.
I HATE when players are labeled like that. I prefer when a player is labeled as “Jasher the good player”, or “Jasher the friendly player”. The less we are turned into numbers, or stats, the better.
I don’t get posts like this.
You have a game where all players are created equal (no trinity).
You have a game where, after a certain minimal effort, all gear is created equal (lvl 80 exotics are even across the board, no 6 month gear progression).
Then you want the anonymity of players protected so I can’t look at that sweetkitten helmet and figure out it came from Caudecus’ Manor. What if I don’t give two siamese kittens what stats it has, and just want to know where it came from?
Yes, I could ask you, but I don’t care about you. I care about the helmet and want to know where it exists in the game. If I wanted to strike up a conversation with you about your fashion, I could do so, but not everyone is interested in doing that, and besides which, not everyone who is asked is interested in responding. TBH I’d rather people look up what gear I have on than constantly spam me asking about where I got my rad lewtz.
It’s like you people come from a different planet where pixellated avatar characters have constitutional rights to privacy that you don’t want invaded on the extremely slight chance that it might come off as vaguely related to some other game which was prejudicial towards people based on their socio-gearonomic class.
tl;dr
Be less cuddly
Then look it up in the internet. You can’t get more impersonal than that, and no need to add even another useless feature in the game.
No, I don’t need people telling me I can’t go to their dungeon because they don’t like my stats.
Only if it comes with the option to block it.
inspect → bad idea.
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I find this to be completely unnecessary. I would also block people from looking if it were there. I don’t understand why people expect every single useless feature from WoW to be here.
I agree Jasher. Being able to “inspect” another player would help out the community. Honestly, players who try to join a group while decked out in white gear, or simply low level gear that as not been replaced is disrepectful to those who are wanting to perform well.
Why force me to trust someone flying blind? I would prefer teaming up with other players that are like-minded and willing to do the best they can to prepare, and do not expect other players to make up for their lack of effort. Surprisingly, I enjoy meeting like-mind people.
It’s far from a “completely unnecessary” feature.
It is not an “elite-ism” that I feel, but that this selfish entitlement that people think those WITH the hard earned gear should have others who have not piggy back on them. If you’re going to go at it casually do it with other casual players. If those players end up building a trust anyway, of course they will team up no matter what the gear is or what they see when they “inspect.”
I agree Jasher. Being able to “inspect” another player would help out the community. Honestly, players who try to join a group while decked out in white gear, or simply low level gear that as not been replaced is disrepectful to those who are wanting to perform well.
Why force me to trust someone flying blind? I would prefer teaming up with other players that are like-minded and willing to do the best they can to prepare, and do not expect other players to make up for their lack of effort. Surprisingly, I enjoy meeting like-mind people.
It’s far from a “completely unnecessary” feature.
It is not an “elite-ism” that I feel, but that this selfish entitlement that people think those WITH the hard earned gear should have others who have not piggy back on them. If you’re going to go at it casually do it with other casual players. If those players end up building a trust anyway, of course they will team up no matter what the gear is or what they see when they “inspect.”
Oh no you didn’t. Did you say it was “disrespectful”? I hardly think you have any right to judge another person JUST because they aren’t as good as you. If your only reason for wanting an inspect option is just to boot people who aren’t up to your standards then please leave. I’m certain that this post will upset you and maybe some others but that has to be the most “elitist” and “rude” thing I have ever heard on these forums. Even the people who HATE my opinions on the elementalist forum aren’t this bad. Your reward for having great gear is that you A: look cool and B: are a better player for it.
I was ambivalent towards this until I read that post. I now believe that this feature will only add negative aspects to the game which is proven here on this very forum.
Jeez, if you want to keep others from “Piggy backing” then just play with your 1337 team or guild.
I’m sorry to the moderators and other people who probably don’t like this post but I won’t let this anger seep into my real life, so it goes here.
I agree Jasher. Being able to “inspect” another player would help out the community. Honestly, players who try to join a group while decked out in white gear, or simply low level gear that as not been replaced is disrepectful to those who are wanting to perform well.
Why force me to trust someone flying blind? I would prefer teaming up with other players that are like-minded and willing to do the best they can to prepare, and do not expect other players to make up for their lack of effort. Surprisingly, I enjoy meeting like-mind people.
It’s far from a “completely unnecessary” feature.
It is not an “elite-ism” that I feel, but that this selfish entitlement that people think those WITH the hard earned gear should have others who have not piggy back on them. If you’re going to go at it casually do it with other casual players. If those players end up building a trust anyway, of course they will team up no matter what the gear is or what they see when they “inspect.”
Oh no you didn’t. Did you say it was “disrespectful”? I hardly think you have any right to judge another person JUST because they aren’t as good as you. If your only reason for wanting an inspect option is just to boot people who aren’t up to your standards then please leave. I’m certain that this post will upset you and maybe some others but that has to be the most “elitist” and “rude” thing I have ever heard on these forums. Even the people who HATE my opinions on the elementalist forum aren’t this bad. Your reward for having great gear is that you A: look cool and B: are a better player for it.
I was ambivalent towards this until I read that post. I now believe that this feature will only add negative aspects to the game which is proven here on this very forum.
Jeez, if you want to keep others from “Piggy backing” then just play with your 1337 team or guild.
I’m sorry to the moderators and other people who probably don’t like this post but I won’t let this anger seep into my real life, so it goes here.
Why the hostility? Inspect is a great feature.
No inspect, it feels like an invasion of privacy.
Either ask what I’m wearing or move along.
I agree. NO INSPECT. Much as I would sometimes like to know what cool armor or weapon someone has, I respect my own privacy even more. Besides with the ability to transmute, you can’t always know where the look came from, even with inspect.
Oh no you didn’t. Did you say it was “disrespectful”? I hardly think you have any right to judge another person JUST because they aren’t as good as you. If your only reason for wanting an inspect option is just to boot people who aren’t up to your standards then please leave. I’m certain that this post will upset you and maybe some others but that has to be the most “elitist” and “rude” thing I have ever heard on these forums. Even the people who HATE my opinions on the elementalist forum aren’t this bad. Your reward for having great gear is that you A: look cool and B: are a better player for it.
I was ambivalent towards this until I read that post. I now believe that this feature will only add negative aspects to the game which is proven here on this very forum.
Jeez, if you want to keep others from “Piggy backing” then just play with your 1337 team or guild.
I’m sorry to the moderators and other people who probably don’t like this post but I won’t let this anger seep into my real life, so it goes here.
Simmer down, there is no need to get angry or take this personal. If this is the rudest thing you’ve seen, you must be new here; I’m not even trying to be. Why should I not be able to judge another player I am going to be relying on? Why should any team game rob you the ability to know your teammates? This is my side of the argument.
I said nothing about how GOOD a player is. I said I wanted to play with players who are willing to put in the same effort. Not being ready with “gear” just comes off as lazy, or impatient. If I trust their skill I don’t even care about their gear, but that trust doesn’t come easy (especially with strangers). I do play mostly with my guildies, and it’s a very close nit group of friends. Not everyone I play with is amazing at the game, and I don’t expect them to be.
And you need to expand on your slippery slope about how this “will only add negative aspects to the game which is proven here on this very forum.” It is a very opinionated statement. I’m happy to have caused someone ambivalent to voice their opinion. It means you think people will actually read and value my post.
I cannot simply keep others from “piggy backing,” because I want to meet other players. If you think I’m looking for someone in all exotics, you’re wrong. I’m looking for someone willing to seek out a crafter, craft themselves a green set, or do more exploring before seeking a group. It is a easy way for me to know if they have my back while we’re fighting the epic fight. I’m not looking to slice everything as if it was butter simply because I want to do it faster.
.At least let us see the health of our party members. Sometimes you want to know why a warrior can die in 5 seconds with any group of mobs. Is it he is 100% dps focused and only has very low health or in fact he has a lot of health but he simply knows nothing about defense or dodge. I would try to be fully supportive to lower his damage if he is dps-focused, otherwise I would advise him to dodge or try to attack from ranged as possible as he can.
There are simply too few information in the game about a player. The only things you can see is the outlook. Is outlook everything in the game? I supposed not. I don’t even know what class the player is if he is not in my group and before he uses any skill.
I like this idea, and I would love the option for a spot to write a publicly-viewable bio as well!
Want customizable housing? https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Housing-1/first
The OP wanted this to see the gear skins used, not the stats. With all the different karma vendors, I can see why. Why not have it only show the name of the item’s skin and not the upgrades? This way nobody can judge your choice of stats, but you can still wiki where to find that awesome sword.
You can’t see the names of opposing players in WvW. I’m pretty sure that the devs would take a similar view on inspect, so I very much doubt this will be in the game and am thankful for it – no doubt the next feature people will be requesting would be some kind of gear score.
I agree inspect should be looked into and implemented. Great feature.
No, I don’t need people telling me I can’t go to their dungeon because they don’t like my stats.
You need to form relationships then….
What about a purely cosmetic inspect? No stats shown at all. Just to help people find the name of a certain coat or boots. That way there is no invasion of privacy. You’re already wearing the armour, this would just let people know what it is. It’s very common for people to not respond. Looking on the wiki at this stage can take a while to get the right piece.
Why? If you go to the trouble of figuring out a really cool outfit. Why should someone be able to just come up to you and see what you have and clone it?
If they want to tell you they will respond to a polite request.
This is just a terrible idea and is not needed in game, one game comes to mind on why this is bad. All this will do is single out players.
Big kitten no right here.
I mentioned something like this in another thread in regards to an Armory-like website, which is, more or less, an over-glorified /inspect feature.
Simply put, although an /inspect feature would be nice and some would use it for good intentions, I think it would end up being used for ridiculing someone than for constructive criticism. In a way, I could also see it as a way to poke at a freshly dinged 80 and call that person a “baddie” for having sub-par gear and/or a strange Trait spec.
The way I see it is that it makes max-level content less welcoming if someone has the capability of “over-criticizing” your choice of gear and traits, which is the opposite of what ArenaNet is trying to achieve with GW2— as in, max-level content should be accessible to as many people as possible.
With that said, if something like this were to be implemented, it should include options to hide a portion or even all of your character’s profile, or even restrict it to friends and/or guild members.
Or as mentioned in a previous post, show only cosmetic information, such as instead of listing a chest piece called [ Berserker’s Draconic Coat of the Berserker ], you only see [Draconic Coat] with no stats. To make it even more interesting, one could right-click that piece of gear in the /inspect UI and there would be an option to load up the GW2 Official Wiki, and that wiki page should tell you how to obtain it.
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I am Fleeting Flash, in-game dungeon cosplayer of Reddit Refugees [RR] .
I mentioned something like this in another thread in regards to an Armory-like website, which is, more or less, an over-glorified /inspect feature.
Simply put, although an /inspect feature would be nice and some would use it for good intentions, I think it would end up being used for ridiculing someone than for constructive criticism. In a way, I could also see it as a way to poke at a freshly dinged 80 and call that person a “baddie” for having sub-par gear and/or a strange Trait spec.
The way I see it is that it makes max-level content less welcoming if someone has the capability of “over-criticizing” your choice of gear and traits, which is the opposite of what ArenaNet is trying to achieve with GW2— as in, max-level content should be accessible to as many people as possible.
With that said, if something like this were to be implemented, it should include options to hide a portion or even all of your character’s profile, or even restrict it to friends and/or guild members.
Or as mentioned in a previous post, show only cosmetic information, such as instead of listing a chest piece called [ Berserker’s Draconic Coat of the Berserker ], you only see [Draconic Coat] with no stats. To make it even more interesting, one could right-click that piece of gear in the /inspect UI and there would be an option to load up the GW2 Official Wiki, and that wiki page should tell you how to obtain it.
Yes, there would be people that would end up using it for ridiculing someone for them, but why in the world would you want to run with that elitest? People should not try to NOT group with those people, and let those people play with others like them. A “freshly dinged 80” should more than likely not be doing a level 80 group run. Why is the freshly dinged 80 working on his exotics before even bothering with greens? I’d like to see the individual actually spend the time or silver to show an effort to gear up.
This eliteism that everyone is worried about is not going to be even prevented by not having an inspect option. Instead, now those players will be doing a boss, then the elitest kittens will end up kicking the player holding them back mid instance. Both the elitest kittens and the player trying to play with them have now wasted time that could have possibly been avoided with an inspect tool.
If the option to hide portions of a characters profile is implimented, the fear of this eliteism shouldn’t just go away. What if the elitest start only accepting those who show their gear?
So basically what some people are saying is that… if I actually knew what you were wearing, I wouldn’t want to play with you… yet, you want me to play with you anyway?
So you’d rather hide that information from me just so that the big bad mean elitist guy will be forced to play with you due to anonymity and ignorance? Interesting…
@Bizbang
I suppose in GW2, it can be different in that a lot of high-end gear can be crafted before running dungeons, but in the general scope of things where there is an easy-mode and a hard-mode (in theory, Story Mode and Explorable Mode respectively), those who choose not take a crafting profession could progress through something easy before being more comfortable in trying something harder. Personally, I’d rather run dungeons and earn my gear since I find it challenging and fun, than farming for the money to buy gear. Well … assuming that suitable gear drops in dungeons, but I’m sure a few patches from now, the dungeons would be a little bit more rewarding.
I don’t know about you, but in most MMOs, even when I’m a freshly dinged max level player, I still do dungeons and gear up through that method. Usually, I’ll do the easy modes before I feel comfortable enough to do the harder modes. If I can prove to the group that I can carry my own weight, which almost always, I do, then who gives a crap what I’m wearing. If you want to make fun of my gear, then be my guest. Those who like to poke fun, in my opinion, are probably “bads” themselves and don’t have the balls to admit it. Sometimes that’s true, sometimes that’s false. All the time, however, they end up getting the boot from the group for just being a total bonehead.
GW2 might be one of those oddball exceptions due to the vast differences between Story Mode and Explorable Mode. Explorable Modes obviously feels like a totally different dungeon; whereas in most MMOs, the Hard Mode version is just the same dungeon layout as Easy Mode only with slight changes that somewhat make it harder.
As far as Elitism goes, it exists in every cooperative game known to mankind and I have come to accept that. In fact, I was once part of a guild full of those types, and was actually one— but I’ve gotten better than that, personality-wise. I can’t speak for all “leet” people, current and former, but I know I’ve become more humble and patient as I get to know the people who I constantly bump into when doing dungeons. In MMOs that have an LFD matchmaker, it’s quite surprising the wide spectrum of people I have bumped into. Unfortunately, I know people who still carry such an antisocial mindset. It’s a bit sad, and sometimes I find myself rooting for the underdog.
On the other hand, I have known in the past in GW1 that if you ask nicely to link their attributes and build, then the player is more likely willing to comply. In this case, the sharing of information is voluntary instead of invasive. It’s sort of like a simple interview without some crazy behind-the-scenes background check. I’d say that if one wants an invasive method of looking up one’s information, I think they might as well start looking at other things related to that person like their Facebook page, Xbox Live and PSN gamer profiles, and even going as deep into their resume on LinkedIn.
Okay, maybe that’s a bit of exaggeration there, but the point is this: there are just some things that are just better off being requested by the party leader, instead of resorting to invasion of information. That’s how it was in GW1, which encouraged some form of friendly communication before the dungeon begins, during the dungeon run, and finally after the dungeon is complete. Inspecting is what police officers do to potential suspects in a scene of a crime. You’re not inviting potential suspects to your party, are you? Of course not … at least I hope not.
Don’t be afraid to ask questions how everyone’s built before the start of the run. If the party composition looks reasonable, then go with it. That way, you know how your abilities would synergize well with your party members. Not asking questions could potentially lead to problems later. For example, assuming the sword-n-board Warrior has Toughness/Vitality gear when they actually have Berserker’s or high amounts of Magic Find in their gear could be somewhat disastrous when they’ve been ratted out of being the slacker of the group.
In a way, I can see what ArenaNet could be going with this by not including an /inspect command. In this case, it would be the fault of the person who invited the unskilled (or undergeared in some examples), instead of laying the fault on the person falling behind the curve.
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I am Fleeting Flash, in-game dungeon cosplayer of Reddit Refugees [RR] .
I am Fleeting Flash, in-game dungeon cosplayer of Reddit Refugees [RR] .
@Jasher
It’s an odd concept for some folks, but it also has some assumptions to it. Some might think you know everything … or rather maybe too much. I mean, why is your Level 80 Ranger (or whatever profession you play for example) ragging about what my gear and traits look like on my Level 80 Warrior? What do you know about playing a Warrior? Why don’t you log on your Level 80 Warrior and show me how to make the best of my profession. This conversation could end in either “Yeah! I thought so!” or “Oh! I never knew that. I should try that! Thanks for the tip!”
As far as the “big bad elitist” being forced to party up with someone, the elitist should have asked some questions before starting up the run. Sure one could argue that an /inspect command could save some time and precious keystrokes in asking a question, but then there is no social interaction except with “your gear’s good” or “GTFO, baddie!” At least if the one being invited is asked to leave, that one probably got a decent idea why they had to leave based on the answers given instead of being left in the dark. That’s how I see it.
Aside from that, people can see what my armor looks like. I can tell you where I got if you ask nicely, which I have done so in my last run through CoE Explorable when one of my party members saw my armor in the cutscenes.
“I control my fate!” — Claire Farron
I am Fleeting Flash, in-game dungeon cosplayer of Reddit Refugees [RR] .
I am Fleeting Flash, in-game dungeon cosplayer of Reddit Refugees [RR] .
I think just inspecting for the looks of the gear should be possible. Just the gear, no stats or what so ever. As I said earlier, a ‘gear-vista’.
People use a lot of time to get the good looking gear and in the character creator, it’s a nice way to show your creations without affecting the game play. At the moment it is possible to see some ones armour, but only until he/she runs away, or clips into another nearby character.
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You can ask them you know…
I get asked all the time about my armor, and I’m glad to link it and tell them where I found it as well. I see no need for inspect when you can simply ask.
What if they are AFK… what if they don’t respond… what if you don’t feel like talking to them? What if they don’t feel like talking to you? I hardly respond to whispers myself.
Send email.
You can’t even use the current features in the game and you want to get snoopy on my character?
Buzz off. Back to WoW with you. We don’t need that garbage here.
Actually, if you go to PvP (not WvWvW) there is a “PvP Locker” where you can look through the collection of armor sets and weapons and you’re able to preview them without actually having them.
It’s not needed,be social and ask them,problem solved!
Simmer down, there is no need to get angry or take this personal. If this is the rudest thing you’ve seen, you must be new here; I’m not even trying to be. Why should I not be able to judge another player I am going to be relying on? .
I stopped reading here because in your equation gear=performance.
We already have the hands-on experience of what effect the inspecting and “gear-scoring” had in other MMOs – it was never beneficial and it lead to community segregation and elitism. It lead to pigeonholing of builds and play-styles and killed diversity and generally the FUN factor.
Furthermore, in GW2 the “progress” is generally in terms of cooler looking gear/dyes – and I for one don’t want to share mine with anyone else. Maybe I find some original cool looking combination, I don’t want hundreds of other people copying it.