Guild Wars 2

One change to WvW that I really hated was when they took out the ability for you to contact your opponents via the “report” function.

I know why this was done, for fear of harassment…but I think it has done more harm than good. You see, before this change, I actually talked with quite a few people on other servers, and made friends with other players I enjoyed fighting…many of them even wound up coming to my server.

Being able to talk with my opponents actually helped build a community in our little match-up, and gave the enemy servers a “personality” beyond the “blue server” or the “red server.” I feel like WvW has actually lost something by shutting down the lines of communication.

And as for “harassment” I think I may have had like ONE person out of the 10 I talked to actually try to “harass” me, and I could have easily just /ignored him if I wanted to.

Anyway, I’m not asking to be able to talk to anyone in WvW without restriction. I would be more than happy if there was an option that you could enable to accept message from enemy servers…that way only players that WANT to hear from others in WvW could, and people that are afraid of “harassment” would be safe in their little bubble.

What do you all think of this? Do you also lament the loss of communication between servers in WvW?

I second this, one of the worst changes made by ANet till now.

Talk to our enemies so you can hear “lame” “F….ing noob” “pff no skill” " omg 10 against 1 ???" " you su.k" every time you beat someone ?

No thanks^^

Mumu.6203:

Talk to our enemies so you can hear “lame” “F….ing noob” “pff no skill” " omg 10 against 1 ???" " you su.k" every time you beat someone ?

No thanks^^

I understand that some people will not want to hear from other players, this is why I said the should add an option to just disallow communication from other players in WvW.

What I don’t like is that EVERYONE gets punished because some people are afraid of “harassment.” It’s like unnecessary censorship.

I also miss being able to see the name of a major badkitten player that killed me, just so I could see who it was.

And like I said, MOST of the messages are got from other players were not harassing. And the one guy that did “harass” me, wound up being a positive experience because I absolutely destroyed him after he got me cheaply, and then rubbed it in his face…made the game more fun.

I also am with the OP. I met some cool people this way. Now I have no way of giving props to enemy skirmishers unless I recognize them somehow anyways.

Not a day goes by where I don’t think about making a guild with my characters name in it so people can see whos killing them (or who they’re killing).

They said that names & chatting to enemy in WvWs, wouldn`t be in the game because of harassment etc & so it would stop one player chasing after another too many times….

Then they let you do exactly that in sPvP which is much more personal then WvWs could ever be.

/go-figure…

;p

Mumu.6203:

Talk to our enemies so you can hear “lame” “F….ing noob” “pff no skill” " omg 10 against 1 ???" " you su.k" every time you beat someone ?

No thanks^^

I completely agree with this statement. I’m sure that these sorts of responses would be 99% of them, and they will get in the way of team comms and chat with friendlies.

It’s bad enough seeing enemy emotes which at times flood chat. If enemy chat is ever set up I hope they give the ability for individuals to disable it.

I’d be more worried about griefers reporting your group’s intentions to the enemy, but then, serious spies already probably have thier own methods. It would add more noise to the chats if they just up and made all chat common, maybe let you whisper the enemy, but that would probably more encourage personal attacks then light hearted discussion.

I am with the OP. It was great before the change. Now we can’t chat with others or say good fight.

It’s funny how the OP specifically states this should be an option and people still say NOPE I’LL BE HARASSED. Same with an option to show your name. I don’t understand why options are bad and they want to keep others who would enjoy this feature from having fun with it.

nah, I dont want this.. but I would love to see player names.

No and a few more times no.

No, no, and even more no.

I agree, you can always come to forums and comment on the match – I’m usually too busy fighting to type to my own server, let alone the enemy one…

I’d like the option to talk with our enemies. I’d also like for that option to be disabled by default, and changed in the menu.

There are many a time that I wanted to say, “Good fight!” or “Hey, what build are you using?” to an enemy that I just won/lost/drew against.

I am not sure why people would be opposed to this, it meets the needs of both sides of the discussion, same idea as the language filter. If you are not interested in tells from the enemy you leave the ‘no messages from enemy server’ on. If you want messages from enemy server then you turn it ‘off’, basically you need to opt in to get them.

You could even do this without providing names if you like, folks can right click the portrait and an option will be added below report for ‘whisper’ so those that are not opted in can stay anonymous as well.

Some times when an idea you do not like doesn’t impact or hurt you in any way, you can support it because people of your gaming community would like it.

Remove the ability to spam emotes. Someone (on the other team) can flood your chat, and you can’t ignore the person.

Ahlen.7591:

No, no, and even more no.

Tell me, how is it going to hurt you when you can just shut everyone in WvW out by an option? I see absolutely ZERO harm in doing this. For players that want to communicate, they can. For players that get their feelings hurt easily, they can turn it off.

Niim.9260:

I am not sure why people would be opposed to this, it meets the needs of both sides of the discussion, same idea as the language filter. If you are not interested in tells from the enemy you leave the ‘no messages from enemy server’ on. If you want messages from enemy server then you turn it ‘off’, basically you need to opt in to get them.

You could even do this without providing names if you like, folks can right click the portrait and an option will be added below report for ‘whisper’ so those that are not opted in can stay anonymous as well.

Some times when an idea you do not like doesn’t impact or hurt you in any way, you can support it because people of your gaming community would like it.

I don’t get it either. Only thing I can think of is they don’t want to be judged by the other side based on the fact they would be opting out of the system even though they would be completely anonymous. Same goes for an option to show your name. Is that it? I really don’t understand all the NOPES when it’s optional. Someone enlighten me please.

Even if 99,99999% of the WvW playerbase wants this, if only 1 player harass others, i have to say no.

Invaders are to be killed not to confraternize or we will end up like : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW9Q1cm_Tnw

Creslin.1758:

Ahlen.7591:

No, no, and even more no.

Tell me, how is it going to hurt you when you can just shut everyone in WvW out by an option? I see absolutely ZERO harm in doing this. For players that want to communicate, they can. For players that get their feelings hurt easily, they can turn it off.

Passive aggressive insulting of people that don’t share your viewpoint. Nice.

You can get the id’s of people from other servers on here, if you need to. Some of my guildies ended up having an impromptu 1v1 matches against an enemy guild and the first thing both sides did to talk about it was go and post in the match thread.

LHound.8964:

Even if 99,99999% of the WvW playerbase wants this, if only 1 player harass others, i have to say no.

Invaders are to be killed not to confraternize or we will end up like : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW9Q1cm_Tnw

1. That player can just disallow messages to be sent to him/her.

2. /Ignore???

Also, by this logic, wouldn’t you want to stop all communication in the game all together? Someone does not have to be in WvW to be “harassed,” there are plenty of “harassers” that do dungeon runs and what not.

I really think you are blowing “harassment” out of proportion. Seriously, how much harm does it cause? I don’t exactly weep in my cereal if someone tells me:

“Hahah newb”

And then I /ignore him.

Why should we cut off lines of communication all together for something as stupid as this?

styx.7294:

Creslin.1758:

Ahlen.7591:

No, no, and even more no.

Tell me, how is it going to hurt you when you can just shut everyone in WvW out by an option? I see absolutely ZERO harm in doing this. For players that want to communicate, they can. For players that get their feelings hurt easily, they can turn it off.

Passive aggressive insulting of people that don’t share your viewpoint. Nice.

You can get the id’s of people from other servers on here, if you need to. Some of my guildies ended up having an impromptu 1v1 matches against an enemy guild and the first thing both sides did to talk about it was go and post in the match thread.

I ask again…

How is having the OPTION to receive messages from others in WvW bad? Please answer the question and not evade it.

Creslin.1758:

styx.7294:

Creslin.1758:

Ahlen.7591:

No, no, and even more no.

Tell me, how is it going to hurt you when you can just shut everyone in WvW out by an option? I see absolutely ZERO harm in doing this. For players that want to communicate, they can. For players that get their feelings hurt easily, they can turn it off.

Passive aggressive insulting of people that don’t share your viewpoint. Nice.

You can get the id’s of people from other servers on here, if you need to. Some of my guildies ended up having an impromptu 1v1 matches against an enemy guild and the first thing both sides did to talk about it was go and post in the match thread.

I ask again…

How is having the OPTION to receive messages from others in WvW bad? Please answer the question and not evade it.

My working theory since no one ever answers this:

They don’t want to have to feel bad about themselves for not turning it on? So they would feel compelled to use this option even thought they don’t want to?

All I got…

Creslin.1758:

LHound.8964:

Even if 99,99999% of the WvW playerbase wants this, if only 1 player harass others, i have to say no.

Invaders are to be killed not to confraternize or we will end up like : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW9Q1cm_Tnw

1. That player can just disallow messages to be sent to him/her.

2. /Ignore???

Also, by this logic, wouldn’t you want to stop all communication in the game all together? Someone does not have to be in WvW to be “harassed,” there are plenty of “harassers” that do dungeon runs and what not.

I really think you are blowing “harassment” out of proportion. Seriously, how much harm does it cause? I don’t exactly weep in my cereal if someone tells me:

“Hahah newb”

And then I /ignore him.

Why should we cut off lines of communication all together for something as stupid as this?

I’ve seen this happen a lot to the point of people quitting games. Days and days of messages, mails, insults and a lot of kitten. Harassment is not saying “hahah newb”. That’s healthy taunting.

So… NO. I do not agree! No1 stops you though from joining the same VOIP, IRC as the invaders to chat with them!

I’ve always always hated PvP for this reason. When I play I try to do my best, but in all the games I’ve tried I’ve always found whining, insulting or boasting people.. Here in wvw I’ve finally found my true enjoyment in PvP, I can play, I can win and be proud of myself and my playstyle, I can lose poorly and not be offended because I’m a noob, I can always think highly of my enemies in the battlefield, I can respect them easily and I feel respected as well. There are no personal wars. Only the game. I like it, and I truly hope this will never change.

Stiv.1820:

Creslin.1758:

styx.7294:

Creslin.1758:

Ahlen.7591:

No, no, and even more no.

Tell me, how is it going to hurt you when you can just shut everyone in WvW out by an option? I see absolutely ZERO harm in doing this. For players that want to communicate, they can. For players that get their feelings hurt easily, they can turn it off.

Passive aggressive insulting of people that don’t share your viewpoint. Nice.

You can get the id’s of people from other servers on here, if you need to. Some of my guildies ended up having an impromptu 1v1 matches against an enemy guild and the first thing both sides did to talk about it was go and post in the match thread.

I ask again…

How is having the OPTION to receive messages from others in WvW bad? Please answer the question and not evade it.

My working theory since no one ever answers this:

They don’t want to have to feel bad about themselves for not turning it on? So they would feel compelled to use this option even thought they don’t want to?

All I got…

If this is the mindset that we want to cater to…then everyone should be required to wear a padded suit whenever they WvW, so that just in case they get upset and hit their desk, they won’t hurt their hand.

Do we really need to coddle and infantalize our players this much?? Stripping their freedoms to protect them of a potential and very minor hurt?

Creslin.1758:

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Do we really need to coddle and infantalize our players this much?? Stripping their freedoms to protect them of a potential and very minor hurt?

If you can’t see why this is not a minor problem, there is no point in arguing with you.

Racism and other forms of harassing only happens to a small percentage of the world population, but still that is not a reason to look the other way. More, in their days, those were not considered offensive or that could create harm.

If a possibility of harassment exists, then it should not be in games, until a good system can be found. ( A check box in the options, to allow invaders see your name when doing something for example, might work, as long as that protects the player base by default).

Cheers

There is already a way to talk with people on the other team, it’s called partying. This allows cross team contact while allowing both sides to deny the contact before a name is given.

Being able to see player names in WvW would add a new level to WvW and give players a sense of pride. I mean if you have a nice hard fought battle with someone, wouldnt you want to know who that person is?

I agree with Creslin, 99% of the talks I had in game with other servers were a lot of fun. Only once can I remember it being anything other than good conversation. It let’s you remember that those 2 other evil colors are actually just pretty cool people playing the game you like as well.

I think there was far less sitting on faces and other emotes when people knew you could right click and get their name to pay them back later lol.

LHound.8964:

If you can’t see why this is not a minor problem, there is no point in arguing with you.

Racism and other forms of harassing only happens to a small percentage of the world population, but still that is not a reason to look the other way. More, in their days, those were not considered offensive or that could create harm.

Did i just read that 1337 talking down to someone is as bad as racism…. O_o

Everyone who is still posting against this idea is still completely ignoring that IT WOULD BE OPTIONAL!

I feel like Joe Schmoe (rando tv reference no one will get).. WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON HERE???

LHound.8964:

Creslin.1758:

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Do we really need to coddle and infantalize our players this much?? Stripping their freedoms to protect them of a potential and very minor hurt?

If you can’t see why this is not a minor problem, there is no point in arguing with you. Racism and other forms of harassing only happen to a small percentage of the world population, but still is not a reason to look the other way. More, in the their peak, those were not considered offensive or creating minor harm.

If a possibility of harassment if possible to exist, then it should not be in games, until a good system can be found. ( A check box in the options, to allow invaders see your name when doing something for example, might work, as long as that protects the player base by default).

Cheers

Here’s why I don’t think it’s a problem…

I lived with it in GW2 until they took it away, and I was hardly ever harassed. In fact, it brought me much more benefits, new friendships, communication, etc. then it did harm.

I think that your attempt to parallel video game “harassment” with real world racism is fairly ridiculous. There is no /ignore in reality…and people in a video game cannot actually hurt you in any way, despite whatever threats they attempt to level.

I also think that your rationale that harassment should be prevented at all costs if the possibility exists is fundamentally flawed. I don’t know if you’re aware of them, but there are MOBA games like LoL that are just SEETHING with harassment and mean players. But here’s the crazy thing…most of the harassment comes from YOUR OWN TEAM, because if a player plays poorly, they doom the team, so many people rage at them.

Now…do you think LoL and those games should ban in-team communication simply because the possibility of harassment exists?? No! That would be ridiculous censorship that would greatly harm the game in an attempt to curb something that each player can easily police for him or herself via /ignore.

And really…this same type of harassment exists today in GW2, just to a lesser extent. I have seen a player yell at another one because he put a ram in a stupid place…it never crossed my mind that they should censor in-server communication on WvW because of this.

You clearly are not seeing what i mean by harassing. You must be confusing harassment by other forms of meddling, yelling and taunting. Harassments in any game (even in MOBA games) are a bannable offense.

As my analogy was simply to categorize that one harassment is still an harassment independently on how’s its made.

But, i as previously said:

If a possibility of harassment exists, then it should not be in games, until a good system can be found. ( A check box in the options, to allow invaders see your name when doing something for example, might work, as long as that protects the player base by default).

Creslin.1758:

styx.7294:

Creslin.1758:

Ahlen.7591:

No, no, and even more no.

Tell me, how is it going to hurt you when you can just shut everyone in WvW out by an option? I see absolutely ZERO harm in doing this. For players that want to communicate, they can. For players that get their feelings hurt easily, they can turn it off.

Passive aggressive insulting of people that don’t share your viewpoint. Nice.

You can get the id’s of people from other servers on here, if you need to. Some of my guildies ended up having an impromptu 1v1 matches against an enemy guild and the first thing both sides did to talk about it was go and post in the match thread.

I ask again…

How is having the OPTION to receive messages from others in WvW bad? Please answer the question and not evade it.

Nothing to evade since I’m not arguing one side or the other. I’m just giving additional information.

Long term, PvP is about competition and community. A faceless opponent (aside from character model and guild tag) does nothing for this. If anything, these forums attract people to trash talk entire servers due to the faceless nature of the game. If you knew and could talk to the people on the opposing server you could gain a common ground and establish healthy competitive friendships.

I don’t know about everyone, but personally I am at my highest level of competition when I know who my enemy is and I have developed a respect for them. Having an option to communicate easily would be very welcome!

styx.7294:

Nothing to evade since I’m not arguing one side or the other. I’m just giving additional information.

Can you give additional information as to why folks would be opposed to this, how it would impact them negatively? I am not asking this to mock, I am asking so that the ‘idea’ can evolve to deal with those concerns so that everyone is happy.

Let’s outline how it would work, at least in my opinion:

- in your settings you have an option, that by default is on just like the language filter
- option says something like, block contact from enemy players
- when a person right click’s on the enemies portrait if both sides have turned off the flag, you will have the option to whisper player. If the flag is on for either, that option is just not there.

Obviously this cannot block whispers directly, since there are many PvE reasons for whispering and talking to people on another server that may be your enemy. But the only way to get the person’s name to send them a whisper in an enemy context would be if the flag has been turned off. Any person leaving the flag on, will have the same level of protection as we have now, as far as I can tell?

How about this: let me unlock it with badges.

Say for 1000 badges or something I can get some sort of “Field Notoriety Award” that will allow me to show my name to other players.

Would that be okay with all of the hurt-feelings crowd?

Stonesolid.2706:

How about this: let me unlock it with badges.

Say for 1000 badges or something I can get some sort of “Field Notoriety Award” that will allow me to show my name to other players.

Would that be okay with all of the hurt-feelings crowd?

NOT okay…. with any of us who don´t like to grind…

I’m for this idea, however, something people who have played with this function need to remember: they had when the player base much smaller. Also, I foresee not people claiming harassment. Bruised egos. People who think they are the best player, taunt a player into a duel, then lose. Suddenly they’ll rage and cry “cheat!”, because they could never lose in a fair fight.

That being said, I’m all for this idea, especially with the options that people have suggested to keep those who are afraid of harassment, safe.

Niim.9260:

Can you give additional information as to why folks would be opposed to this, how it would impact them negatively? I am not asking this to mock, I am asking so that the ‘idea’ can evolve to deal with those concerns so that everyone is happy.

From Eula/RoC :

“While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. This includes posting insulting, offensive, or abusive comments about players, repeatedly sending unwanted messages, reporting players maliciously, attacking a player based on race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc. Hate speech is not tolerated.”

They don’t want this to happen. Simple! A simple take a picture, trash talk in the forums will make it happen! (Happened already when it was possible to see the name with the report feature)

Let’s outline how it would work, at least in my opinion:

- in your settings you have an option, that by default is on just like the language filter
- option says something like, block contact from enemy players
- when a person right click’s on the enemies portrait if both sides have turned off the flag, you will have the option to whisper player. If the flag is on for either, that option is just not there.

Obviously this cannot block whispers directly, since there are many PvE reasons for whispering and talking to people on another server that may be your enemy. But the only way to get the person’s name to send them a whisper in an enemy context would be if the flag has been turned off. Any person leaving the flag on, will have the same level of protection as we have now, as far as I can tell?

^This i can agree! (similar by what i said)

Totally second that motion! Fun would double if we could just chat to enemies after a fight discussing things, teasing (not harrassing) and as a result IMPROVING OUR GAME!
sPvP would be boring without.

I believe we have a way to talk to our “Enemies” and that way is… wait for it……..
Forums. If we are open to talking to enemies in W3, You will have a lot of Nonsense in chat. You would have chat spam. And believe it or not, you will have people shouting out positions/strategies/Insults/and maybe random “GG’s” or “Nice fight” Imo it is fine the way it it. Id rather see the random /bow /wave even /laugh.

Trash talking is a healthy aspect of any online game. It promotes server loyalty, bolsters relationships, memorable moments, etc. I was deeply saddened when I found out you couldn’t talk to enemies in WvWvW. Look at PlanetSide 2, the devs said they actually want to promote trash talking. You can use /yell chat to talk to anyone in the surrounding areas, regardless of faction. They’ve implemented it extremely well and I don’t know anyone that is not in favor of it. ArenaNet needs to implement this if they want to see WvWvW flourish.

Both should be options.

Receive Enemy Tells should be an option. Enable it, people from the other factions can message me. If someone from Red Army is a tool, I should be able to block just him while still receiving messages from other people.

Enemy names should be a two way option to “Show my name” and “See enemy names”. If I enable Show My Name and you have See Enemy Names enabled, you should be able to see my name…otherwise if either person has is disabled, all you see is “Invader X”.

Drago.1634:

I believe we have a way to talk to our “Enemies” and that way is… wait for it……..
Forums. If we are open to talking to enemies in W3, You will have a lot of Nonsense in chat. You would have chat spam. And believe it or not, you will have people shouting out positions/strategies/Insults/and maybe random “GG’s” or “Nice fight” Imo it is fine the way it it. Id rather see the random /bow /wave even /laugh.

Again, in order to help change the idea to fit everyone’s needs we really need specifics as to why it would impact you negatively. What you describe is a great reason for you to leave the flag on, but not why you would be against your fellow players from having the choice.

Drago.1634:

I believe we have a way to talk to our “Enemies” and that way is… wait for it……..
Forums. If we are open to talking to enemies in W3, You will have a lot of Nonsense in chat. You would have chat spam. And believe it or not, you will have people shouting out positions/strategies/Insults/and maybe random “GG’s” or “Nice fight” Imo it is fine the way it it. Id rather see the random /bow /wave even /laugh.

This would depend on how ArenaNet implements it. If it is a battle-ground wide chat mode that everyone sees, then yes, I would agree with you. If they implement a /yell chat like I’ve explained above^ then you would only be able to communicate with enemies in your surrounding vicinity. There would be much less spam that way.

I wouldn’t be opposed to a title or something, similar to the commander title, that opens up a cross server chat channel or allows you to be messaged by the enemy servers. And because it seems to have been missed…

Vv W.7821:

There is already a way to talk with people on the other team, it’s called partying. This allows cross team contact while allowing both sides to deny the contact before a name is given.

Drago.1634:

I believe we have a way to talk to our “Enemies” and that way is… wait for it……..
Forums. If we are open to talking to enemies in W3, You will have a lot of Nonsense in chat. You would have chat spam. And believe it or not, you will have people shouting out positions/strategies/Insults/and maybe random “GG’s” or “Nice fight” Imo it is fine the way it it. Id rather see the random /bow /wave even /laugh.

This idea only allows whispers. It doesn’t open /map up to the other side… Even if it did, you can also customize tabs however you want.

I do not support this change back. The reason being is that if the enemy wants information on your movements, they only need to “make a friend” and get said information. Obviously you can still contact people from other servers by using their account name. If you were “friends” you would have written this down and still be using it for communication. It was removed not because of harrassment, but because it was a game breaking communication system. It would be like someone hacking a military computer system and gaining access to all military movements…you can see why that would be devastating.

While it is great to smacktalk your opponent, which is the primary reason a cross chat would be wanted, it also takes away from the game at the same time.