Guild Wars 2

I dont know if this topic is already being discussed on here but i have a little idea for what you guys could do for race change in GW2..

I know that with the personal story i wouldn’t make any sense to put in the race change system but what if race change is something you can buy from BLTC after you complete the personal story and have hit lvl 80.. i think that would make a lot of sense to put it in the game since i think a lot of people can get tired of they’re race, so it would be nice to have the option the change..

The problem is not where you are in the personal story , but what choices you made.

The story is built based on your decisions over many of the quests.

For this to work i think they should actually reset the story entirely , yes would need to begin from the very start, and also remove your marker on the char selection of order picked, cause now you would have to pick again with the story reset.

Item wise i think that , if the cost on gems is fair enough it should compensate for any unique items you get.

If Anet manages to implant this idea fairly and without exploits or bugs , i would support it.

But if you have completed to story line i wouldn’t matter.. or else you could get the choice to choose some new choices.. and if you have like cultural gear you could get the gear from the race you change to… i cant see how it should be a problem.

Or you just can’t equip the gear drom the other race even if you own it. I see no problem with that. And then it should be no problem with the story either after a few levels in, the story line merge long before lvl 80 so this should be no problem either. I really really want to change my race. Spent so many hours on my character to just make a new one just like him but with a different race.

A charr does not simply become a sylvari.
An asura does not suddenly become a norn.
Really, it would make no sense at all to change the race. Wanna play the other stories? Wanna get all the cultural sets for that achievement? Wanna try the other racial skills? Make a new character! Seriously. It is not like you have to do all the same things again… not entirely anyway. And all the things you’ve done on your main? Well they do not go away, still there. Unless you are stupid enough to delete it.

Iznogood.1078:

But if you have completed to story line i wouldn’t matter.. or else you could get the choice to choose some new choices.. and if you have like cultural gear you could get the gear from the race you change to… i cant see how it should be a problem.

You do know that your WHOLE story , with every single choice you made , is saved right? That is the problem.

To change race either Anet is gonna go see hell to allow you maybe over a hundred fast choices , or you gonna have to replay to whole thing.

Zeefa.3915:

A charr does not simply become a sylvari.
An asura does not suddenly become a norn.
Really, it would make no sense at all to change the race. Wanna play the other stories? Wanna get all the cultural sets for that achievement? Wanna try the other racial skills? Make a new character! Seriously. It is not like you have to do all the same things again… not entirely anyway. And all the things you’ve done on your main? Well they do not go away, still there. Unless you are stupid enough to delete it.

Because of Anet game design tons of items that require stupid amount of time to acquire are all Soul Bound.

To me that is already a gate to not have an alt that progresses, at most i lvl them and keep them pretty. (Got a guardian main and 2 other lvl 80 alts)

What does that mean? Your main will forever be your main, cause most players do not have hundreds of hours to reinvest of the stuff you got for it. If not on the things you eventually wont even be able to get anymore , like certain skins.

Race change just don’t make sense. If the problem is that most items get soulbound… just change more items and iquipment to accountbound? Making certain stuff accountbound rather than soulbound would imo be better.

Nox Aeterna.2965:

You do know that your WHOLE story , with every single choice you made , is saved right? That is the problem.

But that wouldn’t matter at all if you have completed the Story. I dont’t see NPC’s walking around and talking about the Story decisions i made. The Story is done, you killed Zaithan, period.

Choice of Orders also doesn’t need to reset, since you can join every Order with every Race.

I would just love to turn my Asura into Human.

I’d also like this option, and would pay significant cash for it. I wouldn’t even mind resetting my personal story to zero if that’s what it would take.

Race change doesn’t make sense? It’s a fantasy game…we aren’t limited by reality.

Just make it aviable for lvl80s…. cause personal history is done.
And about the cultural armor just make it unwearable not big deal, small price for a important change.

I think being able to change my race it will make me play more cause im bored and super tired of the animations and looks on my current one.

Illumy.7658:

Nox Aeterna.2965:

You do know that your WHOLE story , with every single choice you made , is saved right? That is the problem.

But that wouldn’t matter at all if you have completed the Story. I dont’t see NPC’s walking around and talking about the Story decisions i made. The Story is done, you killed Zaithan, period.

Choice of Orders also doesn’t need to reset, since you can join every Order with every Race.

I would just love to turn my Asura into Human.

In theory Anet intend to use the home instances where you can go and they will be different depending on your story choices. So it does matter on some level.

Honestly , there will be the need to solve the story issue , cant have a norn with a human story walking around , even more IF your choices actually matter for the next exp, that seems totally possible.

I wouldn’t have any Problems with doing the whole Story again.

And the Solution for Cultural Armor is easy. Every Race has its own, so when you wear a T3 Asura Chest and Racechange to Norn, you wear a T3 Norn Chest…..

I raised this subject a long time ago, ANet response is that no race changes will be implemented

Well, Blizzard said that too and now you can do everything but a Profession Change.

Everything is possible when the People are willing to Pay.

Illumy.7658:

Well, Blizzard said that too and now you can do everything but a Profession Change.

Everything is possible when the People are willing to Pay.

agreed, and i for one would have liked to see this implemented, however, i was shot down in flames by many on this forum saying it wouldnt work.

There is no real reason why this wouldn’t work. People would argue that it would effect the storyline. The storyline can be reset. that includes the faction (vigil etc etc) selection. Not sure what the issue was, however, ANet have stated that this would not happen

See there is achievement for getting cultural armor for all the races. Implementing this would risk making that too easy.
And yes it makes no sense to change race. Yes it is a fantasy game, but there’s still some elements of reality to make it believeable.

The Achievement could be limited to 1 Cultural Armorset per Character. Once you buy 1 Piece you are basically locked to that race’s Armorsets.

And personally I dont even want this game to be realistic. It’s a Fantasy World where i can dive in and just take a break from my real Life. We have Necros that go Death Shroud / Lich Form, we have Mesmers who Summon Illusions, Thiefs go Stealth…..

All a form of changing appearance for a short Time, why not make it permanent.

In the End it’s a Game that i enjoy, and i would enjoy it more to be my Main Human instead of Asura now. Leveling an Alt is not the same. Doing World exploration, Achievements…. all over again. I am not the Person who levels 10 Alts. I like to stick with 1 – 2 Characters.

It’s not a huge Deal, but i would really like to see that Feature.

Unbreakable.7543:

Just make it aviable for lvl80s…. cause personal history is done.
And about the cultural armor just make it unwearable not big deal, small price for a important change.

I think being able to change my race it will make me play more cause im bored and super tired of the animations and looks on my current one.

at level 80, “personal history” is only complete IF the player has completed it. it is entirely possible to be level 80 without completing even the first part of the personal story.

I agree, ANet we all want this, please make it happen

here’s what i don’t get; i see, repeated, the argument “most people don’t have the time to invest to roll alts.”

why not? you’re paying a monthly sub for this game, and your money’s going to run out? oh, yeah, wait, that’s not it … hm. head-scratching here …

the truth is, you have as much time as you need, whether you play two hours a night of 10 hours a day. the game’s not going anywhere. so the argument to change race is only one of convenience. i’ve several friends playing who are completionists, and they’ve purchased AND slotted each of their five members of the races, for the achievement. what you’re asking for would royally tick them off, as it would be akin to anet saying “ok, yeah, we’ve decided you don’t actually have to work for the achievement, we’re making it easy, roll one toon then pay us to change the race and bam! you have the achievements!”

what i don’t understand is — what’s the rush? the game offers enough variety that you don’t have to repeat content, if you don’t wish to. ha, not just across five stories, anyway! so honestly, where are you going, that you want everything done, done now, and then no more?

Isende.2607:

here’s what i don’t get; i see, repeated, the argument “most people don’t have the time to invest to roll alts.”

why not? you’re paying a monthly sub for this game, and your money’s going to run out? oh, yeah, wait, that’s not it … hm. head-scratching here …

the truth is, you have as much time as you need, whether you play two hours a night of 10 hours a day. the game’s not going anywhere. so the argument to change race is only one of convenience. i’ve several friends playing who are completionists, and they’ve purchased AND slotted each of their five members of the races, for the achievement. what you’re asking for would royally tick them off, as it would be akin to anet saying “ok, yeah, we’ve decided you don’t actually have to work for the achievement, we’re making it easy, roll one toon then pay us to change the race and bam! you have the achievements!”

what i don’t understand is — what’s the rush? the game offers enough variety that you don’t have to repeat content, if you don’t wish to. ha, not just across five stories, anyway! so honestly, where are you going, that you want everything done, done now, and then no more?

No one has mentioned that players cannot roll other toons, we are simply suggesting that those who dont could be given an alternative. I for one cannot see me levelling another toon to go through the annoyance of 100% map exploration etc etc. I have focused alot of time on my warrior toon and would gladly pay for a race change to save the hassle of weeks of work levelling another toon.

You are right in that GW2 is going now where, however, one time events and seasonal events will continue to happen as will expansions at some point. i would rather be a level 80 when this happens other than focusing all my time trying to rush through another toon. plus i dont like the idea of having all my character spots full of the same class (warrior) just to get the race i want.

@ Isende

I didn’t say i don’t have the Time to roll an Alt, i just don’t want to roll another one. I have 2 80’s, both have the Story completed and i want to play with these 2 Characters.

Why do i have to level another Toon to 80 just to have it the Race i want?

Illumy.7658:

@ Isende

I didn’t say i don’t have the Time to roll an Alt, i just don’t want to roll another one. I have 2 80’s, both have the Story completed and i want to play with these 2 Characters.

Why do i have to level another Toon to 80 just to have the right Race?

Agreed, same here i have two 80s (ranger and Warrior) i have no interest in any other class of toon.

And yet you did not think about making the right race from the start.

The race choice does effect quite a bit of the personal story. And as far as we know it might also effect the coming chapters of the personal story.
Changing race in the middle of that might not really work.

lordkrall.7241:

And yet you did not think about making the right race from the start.

The race choice does effect quite a bit of the personal story. And as far as we know it might also effect the coming chapters of the personal story.
Changing race in the middle of that might not really work.

Yes i did make the right choice at the time, however, things change.

Also i think you should read through this thread first before making any comments regarding storylines. We are suggesting that Storylines can be reset.

Azzrael Deathbane.4965:

Yes i did make the right choice at the time, however, things change.

Also i think you should read through this thread first before making any comments regarding storylines. We are suggesting that Storylines can be reset.

So make a new character.

Which would make the first 50-something levels of it completely trivial seeing as you are level 80 and have better gear.

Another problem with that is also the rewards you got from the Personal Story.
How can they track this?
Sure if you have the items just like it was it is easy. But some items are consumables and give Influence to a guild.
Some are keys for chests, and some might have been transmuted.

Simply resetting the Personal story is most likely much harder than you think.

Isende.2607:

here’s what i don’t get; i see, repeated, the argument “most people don’t have the time to invest to roll alts.”

why not? you’re paying a monthly sub for this game, and your money’s going to run out? oh, yeah, wait, that’s not it … hm. head-scratching here …

the truth is, you have as much time as you need, whether you play two hours a night of 10 hours a day. the game’s not going anywhere. so the argument to change race is only one of convenience. i’ve several friends playing who are completionists, and they’ve purchased AND slotted each of their five members of the races, for the achievement. what you’re asking for would royally tick them off, as it would be akin to anet saying “ok, yeah, we’ve decided you don’t actually have to work for the achievement, we’re making it easy, roll one toon then pay us to change the race and bam! you have the achievements!”

what i don’t understand is — what’s the rush? the game offers enough variety that you don’t have to repeat content, if you don’t wish to. ha, not just across five stories, anyway! so honestly, where are you going, that you want everything done, done now, and then no more?

The game also offers soul bound items that there a limited supply off. Not all items are acc bound , not everything i can use on all my chars.

This means , for most , their main is their main. Sure i can lvl an alt , i myself got 3 lvls 80.

But i got 1 main , and that not gonna change unless Anet includes a class/race i simple cant pass on (honestly , i dont see that happening).

It is not only a matter of time. There is things you cant get anymore. And the more we play the more and more things there will be to connect us to that one char we were playing since the start.

A solution is Anet making items acc bound instead of sould bound , but hell i see race change happening years before they add that.

lordkrall.7241:

Simply resetting the Personal story is most likely much harder than you think.

i have never disputed the difficulty in making this happen. as far as the storyline goes. if people want the race change, then they accept that the storyline will be reset. if this means levelling an 80 toon through the story (first 50 levels etc) and getting nothing of value in the way of drops and rewards, then so be it, its a choice that players make.

lordkrall.7241:

Azzrael Deathbane.4965:

Yes i did make the right choice at the time, however, things change.

Also i think you should read through this thread first before making any comments regarding storylines. We are suggesting that Storylines can be reset.

So make a new character.

Which would make the first 50-something levels of it completely trivial seeing as you are level 80 and have better gear.

Another problem with that is also the rewards you got from the Personal Story.
How can they track this?
Sure if you have the items just like it was it is easy. But some items are consumables and give Influence to a guild.
Some are keys for chests, and some might have been transmuted.

Simply resetting the Personal story is most likely much harder than you think.

No it is not , i at least dont remember anything exclusive given by the story line , even the pact weapons we can buy on the TP , i got pretty much all of them myself., we can also buy influence any time for our guilds if we want with gold.

There is a cost to the story line stuff. Simple add a cost in gems to the reset. Done , people payed the gap right there.

God even now people exploit human story line , where you can make a war rush , do lvl 10 story line with a lvl 4 war and get keys.

Azzrael Deathbane.4965:

i have never disputed the difficulty in making this happen. as far as the storyline goes. if people want the race change, then they accept that the storyline will be reset. if this means levelling an 80 toon through the story (first 50 levels etc) and getting nothing of value in the way of drops and rewards, then so be it, its a choice that players make.

But seeing as ArenaNet would need to remove all rewards gotten from the first time it would take way too much time and resources to be effective. Unless of course the change would be 3000+ gems. But I suppose people would not buy it in that case.

Why would they need to remove previous awards ?

I don’t even want all the rewards again, i would just Play the story again and thats it. You got all the Items , Boosters before, so there is no need to get them again. I’m not THAT greedy. ^^

They just have to reset the Story, and when you decide to play through it you get the “blank” Storyquest with no reward. Problem solved.

lordkrall.7241

But seeing as ArenaNet would need to remove all rewards gotten from the first time it would take way too much time and resources to be effective. Unless of course the change would be 3000+ gems. But I suppose people would not buy it in that case.

Why, the gear i have at level 80 had nothing, absoulty nothing to do with the storyline quests, lets face it, the drops and rewards from storyline were all junk anyways and went straight to a merchant.

Getting the same reward two times (some which are actually quite good, especially consumables) is rather bad.
True most might have gotten to the merchant (some didn’t however, keep in mind that there are very few good back-items, one of them are rewarded by doing personal story) but that would mean you got those few extra silvers for selling the rewards.
Not counting the xp and silver gained from completing the actual quests (xp means more SPs which could be “turned” into money and such).

Agreed, thats why i would be perfectly fine with the “blank” Storyquests.

No XP, no Karma, no silver, no Items. Just Story Progression.

Extra silver, lol

As apose to spending £42 on gems and converting that to gold.

Biggest thing with this is even if you got to Level 80, then magically changed to Sylvari/Charr/Asura/Human/Norn without restarting the story, your personal story is going to be like you did this on For your Wylde hunt… then became an Asuran…

It would be weird, You should just make a new character I have 1 of each Profession ATM, 2 Sylvari, 1 Asura, 2 Humans, 2 Norns and 1 Charr and when more Races/Professions come out I’ll make more too.

I’m all for it.
I would be willing to pay real $ for a race change. Hmm 800gems or $10 sounds fair.

Did you see that ANet ?
I typed a $….
You like that don’t you..
$$$$$$$

Give me a reason to give you some $$ besides a Box o’ Fun & Town Clothes.

Magnus Robotfighter.9678:

I’m all for it.
I would be willing to pay real $ for a race change. Hmm 800gems or $10 sounds fair.

Did you see that ANet ?
I typed a $….
You like that don’t you..
$$$$$$$

Give me a reason to give you some $$ besides a Box o’ Fun & Town Clothes.

A life change for $10…that’s pretty cheap. Anyways, I guess there’s no harm in implementing one, but lore-wise it makes no sense at all nor in-game does it make sense or seem right. It sort of de-values a character, because they lose their foundation. But it doesn’t affect me so whatevs. But as a coder, I can tell you that this if ever put into motion will be on their low priority list because it’s a huge amount of work for very little rewards unless they get a guranteed huge revenue boost from it. But I guess that can be best determined by a pre-order poll—if you want it, you pre-order it putting in your card #, if it exceeds a certain threshold, they will work on it. Best way to do things for gurantee instead of a whim of possibly a small population.

If they were to allow a race/sex change. And charge a respectable amount of real world currency to do this. I say go for it.

As long as they are able to wipe out your previous story and character building choices.

I would not expect it anytime soon. But if they could develop something to save your level progress while taking away your in game story. I say why not?

Hi im also full for a Race Change. Why ?
Because my Main Char has now 400 hours of Playing best Equip end Everything and soon an legendary and i need to make a new Char just because i dont want to be a Sylvari?
What should i do with the old char then? delete him? i dont need him anymore because i have the same Class just another Race.
And i dont think that there would be so many Problems.
The Change itself i think is easy just the Makeover Kit with race Change.
And about the Story Line, if you have your Story finished let them Decide after the Change which Story you completet just like when you createt a new Char.
If not then it will be reset to 0 or it will reset in both Ways there are so many Possibilities. About the Rewards they are nothing i have now 8 Chars on 80 ( all Classes) and made with everyone the full Story ( except Arah Dungeon) and i got nothing thats realy worth the Time ( 1 full story takes like 6 hours or more) and i got about 1 gold and 3 booster )The only good reward is for Arah Dungeon the random bags but no one will pay Money and play a whole Day just to get a good Item by Chance.
And to make sure no one uses this for bad Ways make the Change worth 30$ or 50 gold because Guys who want to change will pay the price.
I realy hope that an Anet employee will answere this just if there will ever be a Possibility to change the race .
Because i f not then i need to make a new Char because the legendary is chosen for the new and i dont spent months and 1000g on a legendary for an char and then i dont want him to have it, becausei chose the Legendary for the new.
But that would also mean i have a Char with 400 hours playtime i dont need and that is just wrong in my Opinion.
Eevery Game should have the Chance to change the race, bc People tend to chage their Mind as the game progress and so should the Game give you the Option to change your Char too.
So i think i said enough only want to here if in the near Future it will be Possible.
Realy hope an ANET Employee will answere this.

lordkrall.7241:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Race-Change/first#post272286

I find that quite clearly as a “No it won’t happen” and I also see it as a response.

Yup thats clear, thanks for clarification. It appears that ANet have indicated their stance on this matter. enough said

Consider expansions – if they further the story then being a level 80 norn who looks like a human would not make sense.

TJV.6239:

Consider expansions – if they further the story then being a level 80 norn who looks like a human would not make sense.

The storyline issue can be resolved, when a race change is implemented, the storyline re-sets. problem solved. players need to step away from the storyline issue as its not and issue.

It appears to me that ANet do not want race change. i have no idea why,as this could be a good little money earner.

Gender Change also does not make much sense in this world either, but it has been added.

I have 2 level 80 characters and after about level 50 or so the story became exactly the same to the point that it did not make a whole lot of sense. As a Sylvari Ranger my personal story had me working with Trehearne and the Mother Tree spirit but at about level 50 my character was introduced to both as if I had never met them before. So race change after level 50 or so would not upset any of the story line.

I would pay $20 for a race change for my Sylvari Ranger. I do not like how they look anymore especially the cultural armor.

Just Because Anet says they will or wont do something does not mean that they wont change their mind later. Take the promise from Anet saying big changes were coming to the Ranger class with the November 15th patch that did not happen.

Well yeah , pretty much any change other than the hair , by this is mean hair cut , cause color and other would already make no sense.

So , that kit that allows you to edit your char? That thing alone got no less or more lore sense than a race change kit.

While like i said above , i agree the story must be reset entirely and you must go to picking those elements from the start.

Also , Anet breaks more things they said they would do, than actually do what they said. So really , dont take them to seriously , if they smell the money , they will run after it.

That’s a bad idea. I hope Developers will never do that.

Azzrael Deathbane.4965:

lordkrall.7241:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Race-Change/first#post272286

I find that quite clearly as a “No it won’t happen” and I also see it as a response.

Yup thats clear, thanks for clarification. It appears that ANet have indicated their stance on this matter. enough said

Should pretty much have been the of the topic that link

Zeefa.3915:

Azzrael Deathbane.4965:

lordkrall.7241:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Race-Change/first#post272286

I find that quite clearly as a “No it won’t happen” and I also see it as a response.

Yup thats clear, thanks for clarification. It appears that ANet have indicated their stance on this matter. enough said

Should pretty much have been the of the topic that link

I dont think so, like in this thread already mentioned, ANET can change their Mind if enough People want it and are ready to pay for it.
If we push this thread enough and more People say they want it then there is an Possibility that they will do it.
Money is truly powerfull. ^^

Yeah , just like the no grind for stats gear … oh wait.

Really people , Anet can change their ideas at any given time , and they dont give a kitten what people think about it.

So just because of one post dont think the matter is finished heh.

Again i show my support to this idea.

Thing is though it is not everyone that want this. Some of the things you decide on character creation should stick and be unchangeable, race and profession are the only things that you cannot change now, so already got good chance to renew the character without rendering everything in creation void.