Guild Wars 2

Anet pls pls start communicating with the dedicated wvw guilds prior to making fundamental changes to wvw. We sweat in wvw 24/7 and you make changes to the game without any dialogue with my or other wvw guilds.

You guys chat to spvp guilds, you listen to the moaning pve’rs all the time. So how about opening some communication channels with guilds dedicated to 1 of the 3 main elements of GW2?

If you carry on this way I really fear that many in the wvw community will get disallusioned.

Agreed. Cant we have any say in stuff you implement?

Got to admit all these changes seem to be taken from the complaints of the loud minority, I see some changes making sense, but others are just blatant sPVP / PVE related, ignoring the effects they have on WvW.
I am aware of updates coming to WvW on February, it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t get jackkitten until then or that the WvW scene should be ignored.

I agree on Offski every other part of the game is being heard in some kind of way yet the wvw community seems mostly ingnored updates out of the blue and the wvw community is getting smaller and smaller from what I see. I think this is a shame wvw is a great and fun way to have a guild activities but this decreasing number wvw players is not being heard. pity…

I totally agree. the changes made as of late are doing nothing but destroying the wvw experience. All because of changes without any concern at all to the world vs world pvp.

This cannot be stressed enough.

Its time to stop pretending WvW is just a part of PvE. For a lot of us it is all we play, and the level of feedback is abysmal.
Its also terribly disheartening to see only more PvE getting crammed into WvW and constantly lose siege and/or upgrades whenever there is an update. Especially one so short after a reset.

Signed,

WvW players are often older gamers with jobs, and hence more likely to trade cash for time.

Making changes like this without the slightest thought of consultation is a sure way to lose customers who might otherwise be spending hard cash on gems to buy WvW gear and buffs.

I Agree with Offski…Arena need to start listening to WvW dedicated guilds when it come to any changes in there.

Count me in. Blacktide is dying in www mostly because of bugs and wrong ideas (not to name it worse). People who actually cared and upgraded / defended our bases to see them taken by bug in 10seconds will give up. And many of them did.

Add the fact that there’s nothing new on any WWW map, and now there’s 3rd PvE event – people get attracted to it for obvious reasons – it’s shown everywhere, even on the main page. When was the last time anything WWW related was shown on the main page? When last time WWW loading screen changed?

Another thing is that the commander capabilities are a complete joke. And that you have to verify if the commander is worth following anyway, because you can get commander title without stepping a foot on any WWW map.

You’re not even fixing the known bugs, which could be fixed by putting a STONE in the middle of the place they jump and test it.

To back up my words – see how much can change in a month of doing nothing for www. From a server that topped for more than 100k now we’re almost out of tier.

It gets old really quick, and the event you’ve just added doesn’t help. It was very rare scenario in higher tiers to actually get pushed out completely. Now well… if nobody plays it will happen. Is this the way you solve problem of people not playing? Helping the very few that remain? Instead of actually attracting people back when you still have a chance?

There’s much much more but that post is long enough already. Hope to see some changes or there will be no one to play in WWW before you put that “uber patch that fixes everything”. I’m sure as hell it won’t.

I completely agree, WvW has always been the least priority, they dont realise, only peoply like us will continue to play long after the all pve is dead.

i least we deserve is atleast a say.

WvW is all i play on GW2 really, with the new update, i feel like playing a lot less.
For the major WvW guilds, this patch has possibly been one of the worst, Anet need to sort out the way in which they gather info because the people they usually seem to ask is the minority of WvW players.

2 npc commanders hitting greenbriar within 5 minutes is really a bit excessive. it takes the fun right out of the game.

can we please get a response from a-net on this?

^agree with offski to 100%

At least one official response would be appreciated.

It’s extremely disturbing to see Offski’s honest attempt at communication with Anet being censored. That’s not indicative of any kind of respect for their paying customers.

Shivva.1904:

It’s extremely disturbing to see Offski’s honest attempt at communication with Anet being censored. That’s not indicative of any kind of respect for their paying customers.

The problem is, that posts such as that often go against the Forum code of Conduct. Or are too close to going against the Forum code of Conduct, which gets them moderated.

Here (https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/forum-code-of-conduct/):

Do not post petitions, “I demand an answer” threads, conspiracy threads, or comments about circumventing the rules.

Also this:

Do not post about locked, deleted, or otherwise moderated threads or posts. Moderation happens for a reason. A staff member or moderator may lock a thread before posting in order to promptly curtail continued comments. If you have yet to see a comment by a staff member on a locked thread, please wait for the comment to appear and do not post a new thread on the subject. If you have questions regarding forum moderation, send an email to forums@arena.net.

And this:

Do not engage in staff call-outs. Using the words “ArenaNet” or any staff member’s name will not expedite the answer to your query.

These are some related/loosely related rules regarding this kind of threads. Which could be the reason those posts get deleted.

Hope this helps.

I think they’d have to stretch those rules quite a bit in order to block an honest attempt by the leader of a large, WvW-only guild to request some sort of attempt at engagement and consultation by Anet with WvW players about WvW gameplay changes.

That sort of thing isn’t an unreasonable request after all, it happens in other games and they’re stronger for it. The lack of such engagement in this game is clearly being perceived by players as a serious problem, certainly from the point of view of WvW.

Couldn’t agree more with Offski

Agreed, feedback for the WvW community as a whole rather than the minority who like to whine on the forums could only benefit everybody. Too many bad idea are getting through and making changes for the worst.

I agree with Offski so much, as good it may be for crying PvE’rs whoa re new to WvW – It is a pain and just ruins the game for dedicated guilds.

Its not only this, but also classes forum need more love.
So i agree with this.

Agrees with Offski fully, and the devs talking with its players are super important and a great way to retain players while new stuff is being worked on rather then just blocking them, even if you are working on something if we dont know of it or what it is then we leave and that update can be scrapped.

Work with us as gamers not as developers!

5 minutes for elite commander timer, this is ridicilous whole wvw ruined for this.

agreed

biggist problem i feel is that we get more pve added to wvw a pvp mode.

the latest patch added even more pve like that commander, on our border we are running 24/7 between 2 towers doing basicly pve becous that commander is way to strong. also it has no use on the higer tier servers. if a group of invaders needed that commander to take the tower, then they will lose it 5 minuts later becouse they where to weak to defeat the defanders for them selfs.

no serious wvw guild i spoke with is happy with the latest updates. and those guilds are the ones who are keeping wvw alive.

i’m not frustrated your not alking with the wvw communety. But mostly that you listen to pve’ers on the matter of wvw witch is pvp. and ignor the shout outs of the wvw communety

WvW needs a little more love and attention. Couldnt agree more.
- Stop Transfers…
- Get rid of AG-stats in WvW
- Get rid of roaming-and-Always-Adding-PvE Mobs
- …add more pve mobs to PvE Camps instead!

- More Raid/Squad leader functions (player roster/raid channel etc.)
- Make/introduce achievements with more visual style (having title is nice…but if it would come along with some emotes / ladder board / grafical aura…)

- …and culling-fix,ofc
- …and maybe additional tactical elements (barriers, deployable traps…)

As a guild that only does WvW I feel that we are often forgotten in these updates, everything is focused towards PVE /SPVP. If we had some communication we could give some pointers as to what WvW really needs, as could many other WvW orientated guilds within the game. As it stands now, WvW is going to die due to the lack of understanding , communication and general care that is given to WvW.

As a guild of 300 members that only want to WvW we cannot progress with updates like this last one in place. Please think before adding random PVE events into WvW that ruin game play and have little to no effect on the situation of the losing server.

Agreed with everything said here, the new Pve commander is a joke… its also classed as an “event” yet we get nothing for actually killing the commander ? No xp, no karma no nothing.

Also whatever happened to ascended gear being made for WvW, badge items getting reduced in cost etc ? Were still forced to do dungeons. Please speak to WvW guilds on updating Wvw or you will lose a tonne of players!

PvE Commander actually shows me that how WvW community does not count for anything.

We always wanted to have less PvE , always suggested that , always whined about that , cried even.

But now we have more PvE in our PvP zone.

Most of dedicated WvW players don’t play anything other than WvW in this game.I’m one of that kind.I work in day light , come home at evening , after a bit of chill i get myself in to WvW directly.Only place i see other than WvW zones is Lion’s Arch and The Orr for friday eve guild farm.

Please be more cautious about us and please hear our voice for once.

I agree wit everything that has been said on this post. The Commander… are you kidding me? It simply causes us to camp in our own borderlands to make sure we don’t loose those two towers, which makes it impossible to attack other places effectively.

Also the amount of badges that are needed for any of the gear is unbelievable that it really forces us into dungeons, which are really repetitive and are not for everyone out there. I feel like the recent updates really are forgetting the WvW community. I mean you talk to all the other guilds why not us?

Shivva.1904:

I think they’d have to stretch those rules quite a bit in order to block an honest attempt by the leader of a large, WvW-only guild to request some sort of attempt at engagement and consultation by Anet with WvW players about WvW gameplay changes.

That sort of thing isn’t an unreasonable request after all, it happens in other games and they’re stronger for it. The lack of such engagement in this game is clearly being perceived by players as a serious problem, certainly from the point of view of WvW.

Nobody is trying to block anything, who would gain from that? It’s just because of the way these threads usually go. A lot of angry people gather and start demanding ANet to reply to them, which is against the forum code of conduct. So the thread gets moderated.

Staying civil and abiding to the Forum code of conduct shouldn’t be that much tho ask, yet, there tends to be a lot of post in this kind of threads that is either very close, or clearly breaks the rules.

Since I enjoy WvW and don’t want this thread to fail, I just thought that maybe reminding the people here about those related rules would stop them before they break them and the thread gets moderated.

I strongly agree with the repeated request for a proper dialogue between WvW-players and developers.

I agree with Offski.

I could not agree more. With those words everything is said already.

still not even a hint of this thread being read by a dev. this makes me sad

Adding breakout without asking the WvW community was just asking for trouble; I certainly don’t know anyone who was requesting for such an event to be added. If anything the logical route would have been to fix the outmanned buff to actually provide some useful stats. I think people are worried about what ‘totally random thing that no one is asking for’ we’re going to end up with next, or wondering why exploits such as the keep wall jumping aren’t being prioritised over ‘breakout events’.

I’m not going to jump on the bandwagon with the PvE in PvP complaints, because quite frankly, I think it’s starting to get blown out of all proportion. WvW has always had some elements of PvE, and one more piece being added isn’t the issue. The issue is it being added with almost no notice, no testing phase and no discussion as to if this was what us WvW players as a community, wanted.

Overall, what really needs to be focused on is getting some decent communication between the WvW community and the development team. We want to feel like we are able to voice our ideas, our like or dislike of future WvW additions, and that in doing so, we actually have some effect on if it will be implemented into the game.

I agree totally to this, the designers of the wvw side of the game should really have a talk with the real active wvw’ers in the game.

Wvw are loosing players daily, it’s dying and Arenanet doesn’t understand this it seems.

solution is pretty simple,dont ever attack the towers that activate the NPC commander

/signed

I totally agree with Offski

the npc commanders will probably attract some of the casual pve community and get them into wvw, but at the cost of the majority of the wvw’ers. You’re losing players A-net. does this not bother you?

really devs? not a word? seriously!

I don’t mind the breakout event- you can beat it reasonably easily, and even if you don’t, retaking the tower takes 5 minutes if you want to. Don’t bother upgrading the tower unless your night shift can defend two of them, as sure as hell you won’t have it come the morning.

My bigger issue is with trebs, which give the stronger server much more of an advantage then the weaker one- not a fan of anything that can completely destroy a fully upgraded keep/tower without costing more than the original supplies and being able to be placed well out of harm’s way, and costing the defenders 100’s of supplies compared to the cost of building the treb. Lose trebs, bring in mobile cannons that can’t be built or placed or brought inside forts.

they need to fix the point of having a commander and squads/teams as well as the functionality available to commanders, in its present state the only use of a commander tag is to rally zergs to places on the map…

Commander options too limited

the breakout event is kitten really. the best way to solve the problem would be to remake the out manned buff. in-staid of giving people pve stats it should boost their pvp stats 30-50%. problem solved.

The breakout event really is was not a good idea, but implementing it behind the back of www players was probably an even worse idea. I don’t understand how you can discuss about a game for 10 years to get it right and then implement something so gamechanging that I might even call it gamebreaking. All www players could have told you so.

I bought this game mostly because of your www pvp. I liked the balance and the big pvp battles. Constantly fighting the same event and the same pve mob is not part of that. If you wanted to make the game less ‘stale’ with this change then it had the opposite effect.

I hope you consider to give the www guilds some love too.

I’ve not been doing WvW for a very long time (couple or so weeks now, tagging along with IRON). I run a mostly PvE guild so I never liked WvW much up till that point.

Main reason being that it always seemed like whoever had the biggest zerg wins and I never realized that there are some tactics involved and a good community behind it.

You also don’t get any good rewards from it (if anything you loose it on siege/upgrading/repairs) and so I always felt it a waste of time when I could be making that 2 gold in that dungeon in 30 minutes instead. You don’t get rewarded for helping out with defense, sieging, building siege, rezzing people you only get rewarded for killing enemies and capping.

The reward system in WvW is the most abysmal one in the game it’s almost shocking. Badges? I barely get any on my Mesmer compared to what I get on my alts, the annoyance of culling and tagging people then looting the near invisible bags that end up being left behind in the heat of battle.

The lack of being able to do much as my Mesmer when storming a keep because you don’t have decent AOE nor can you hit anyone on the wall without getting obstructed and now with the portal nerf we’ve essentially become nigh on useless in WvW getting virtually nothing useful out of it. But I digress…

The point I’m making is that coming from a mostly PvE background even I can tell that all this PvE stuff within WvW is bad. The christmas presents, jumping puzzles (maybe they’re okay if WvW itself was actually as rewarding or moreso but as it stands they’re taking away from the manpower needed on the different maps).

The armies of random polar bears/wolves/kraits/moa’s that are just waiting to be hit by accident. Why are there 10 polar bears in the same small meadow? Aren’t they solitary creatures? It’s just an annoyance a hindrance and has no place in WvW, at the very least cut them down to 1 per meadow for ‘Atmospheric’ reasons.

Then there’s the breakout event, I don’t understand why this was put into WvW? Isn’t it about whoever is best through tactics not whoever can get the OP npc commander to do their work for them and then placing trebs to win? It seems unfair to those servers/guilds who try hard to win legitimately.

If you’re going to insist on having this breakout event in WvW at least make the commander easily defeated by 5 or less people just like guards ‘defending’ places are easily defeated. That way WvW guilds don’t have to waste manpower to keep and deal with these little towers every 2 minutes.

I completely agree that the WvW developers/team should have a long conversation with some of the full time WvW guild leaders about what they would like to see improved/added/adjusted and be more open about ideas they have. Even if you aren’t going to implement it just give people a list of ideas and then listen to the feedback.

Communication is the key, WvW has a lot of potential to be long lasting and remain interesting if you listen to the WvWers and please fix the culling and view distance. It’s incredibly hard to have an honest fight if you don’t see the 50 people right in front of you. (This goes for all parts of the game, Lion’s Arch for example looks like a ghost town unless you stand on top of someone, I still don’t understand who thought this was a good idea, allow the user to control what they see not the server).

Either way as I stated I’m no WvW expert, The above is just my observations and opinions. Please take some time to have a chat with the WvW guilds about these issues. Especially with this super secret February patch coming up. I’m just here to show my support.

Guys and Gals, perhaps if you opened dialogue with the leaders from other servers/guilds/communities and all agreed to contribute to a thread (including your credentials) as a show of strength the message will get across. Having your guild mates signing this thread doesn’t bring any more credibility to it in my opinion.

Since my guild leader has already posted I’ll give strength to his voice at the appropriate time.