Guild Wars 2

As the title suggestions, I don’t really feel its necessary to ruin the look of my character every game by coating my entire armor set in blue or red. The enemy players have red name tags above their heads, and friendly players are green.

This is the accepted way of identifying the enemy in almost every single game I’ve ever played, and it works just fine.

League of Legends, no colors.
WoW arenas, no colors.
CoD, no colors.
GoW, no colors.
etc.

EDIT: WvW as someone pointed out, has no colors differentiating different servers. Just red name tags. It works within the bounds of the game. Please fix it for sPvP as well.

The point is that we all work hard for gear that gives us no statistical advantage whatsoever. This is completely fine, and I like it. However, don’t take away the one thing I’m farming this gear for, the looks. If I can only enjoy the appearance of my PvP character in the Mists lobby, what’s even the point?

I spend a very small fraction of my time in the lobby. I should at least be able to show off my armor and color scheme while I’m fighting.

I’m sure this topic has been beaten to death, but it is a big concern of mine, being taken away from the one thing we’re striving to achieve; cool looking armor.

Agreed, getting a cool set of armor, rare dyes and weapons are basically the only thing we have to look forward to as a reward for pvp(aside from pvp itself). Why lessin our reward by splashing our neat shiny gear in ugly blue and red. Name colors should be enough to differentiate teams. Thanks

it’s the biggest troll to get armor dyes in pvp chests and not be able to use them in pvp

/signed … tbh… last uhmm.. 22 glory ranks i believe.. i NEVER EVER noticed some1 was an enemy due to the fact he wore a different dye.. NEVER.
Yust removing those standard dyes would make pvp more rewarding since you not only are able to get cooler looking pvp gear, but also customise it to your own style

yeah remove em and make it like world vs world

Suggestion: Post in the suggestion forum.

Team should easily be discerned without any aid from a user interface.

exp.
Tf2
Unreal Tournament
Counter-Strike
Day of Defeat
etc.

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Cosmic Teapot.9162:

Suggestion: Post in the suggestion forum.

Team should easily be discerned without any aid from a user interface.

exp.
Tf2
Unreal Tournament
Counter-Strike
Day of Defeat
etc.

/thread

Why on earth would you use CS as an example of easily discernible teams? T and CT look almost identical from any respectable distance and friendly fire is off 99% of the time for a reason.

Red names = enemy and green names = ally is more than enough to tell teams apart. I don’t know why they give us dye in PvP and the only use for it is standing around the mists

You’re saying that a tiny floating name that moves faster than a skritt in a mirror shop is more noticeable than the color of the body itself. It helps out a tremendous amount, especially in close quarters. I’m guessing you’re primarily ranged, since as a melee this is a much needed asset.

Yes, Kita. You can’t even notice the dull colors. Red tagged names are much more noticeable.

I agree with OP.

/signed

This would be nice, I dislike having either hot red or neon blue armor. In GW1 the color of ones cape was used for team color. Unfortunately there is no cape in GW2 :<.

I agree. The blue/red dye dynamic is not needed.

Cosmic Teapot.9162:

Suggestion: Post in the suggestion forum.

Team should easily be discerned without any aid from a user interface.

exp.
Tf2
Unreal Tournament
Counter-Strike
Day of Defeat
etc.

/thread

None of the games you listed include a customizable character where color actually matters. If the red nameplate isn’t enough to discern it then why did they change WvW from color coated players to simply wearing the normal colors in PvE? Obviously at some point someone decided “hey, they can tell JUST by looking at the names!”

And don’t feed me this excuse that “the character should be discernible apart from the UI.” The nameplate over a character’s head is as part of the character as his arms and legs are. It’s blatantly obvious.

It ruins customization and defeats the purpose of getting cool gear. The only goal to achieve in PvP is to earn cool gear as it stands right now. Why take that away?

It’s not even a dye thing. What it comes down to is if you dye your armor 1 color flat out, it becomes indistinguishable and bland.

The colored armor sets will make the game much easier to follow for NEW spectators once Anet moves forwards with its plans for E sport.

i completely agree and i feel the same as you.

PvP only folk can’t take advantage of the colouring system at all.

Lets say i despise pve and i buy the game to only play structured PvP,if that’s so then the colouring system is like non existent for me because i won’t be able to make use of it anyway.

Jest.9276:

The colored armor sets will make the game much easier to follow for NEW spectators once Anet moves forwards with its plans for E sport.

Hey bro i remember buying a game not a TV show.

Zadawn.2471:

Jest.9276:

The colored armor sets will make the game much easier to follow for NEW spectators once Anet moves forwards with its plans for E sport.

Hey bro i remember buying a game not a TV show.

We all bought the game. The fact is SPvP is built around becoming an Esport. I’m not opposed to having our personalized colors show but there is a legitimate reason for the color scheme and no one in the thread acknowledged it, so I did.

Jest.9276:

Zadawn.2471:

Jest.9276:

The colored armor sets will make the game much easier to follow for NEW spectators once Anet moves forwards with its plans for E sport.

Hey bro i remember buying a game not a TV show.

We all bought the game. The fact is SPvP is built around becoming an Esport. I’m not opposed to having our personalized colors show but there is a legitimate reason for the color scheme and no one in the thread acknowledged it, so I did.

Then esport tournaments can use basic colours. As for the rest of us it should be a choice.

Olkyr.4821:

Jest.9276:

Zadawn.2471:

Jest.9276:

The colored armor sets will make the game much easier to follow for NEW spectators once Anet moves forwards with its plans for E sport.

Hey bro i remember buying a game not a TV show.

We all bought the game. The fact is SPvP is built around becoming an Esport. I’m not opposed to having our personalized colors show but there is a legitimate reason for the color scheme and no one in the thread acknowledged it, so I did.

Then esport tournaments can use basic colours. As for the rest of us it should be a choice.

Exactly this.

Jest.9276:

The colored armor sets will make the game much easier to follow for NEW spectators once Anet moves forwards with its plans for E sport.

Why can’t spectator mode ONLY implement this?

I’ve forgot if I’m red or blue more than once. This doesn’t affect targeting cause yes, bright red names over their heads gives it away faster than the color of their armor. I know what color I want to turn the points into based on what side I spawn (although this wouldn’t help if they roll out new maps) but I just don’t see how else you would know that the red things should be blue (or vice versa) if you don’t have something besides the scoreboard to direct you.

All that said, I’m sure I just came off sounding bad as hell, and I do think the main point everyone is making of unlocking skins and dyes and having it not matter has tons of weight. I’m positive I’d adapt anyway. So signed.

As everyone here I find the armour recolor useless and annoying.
Name tags should do it like EVERY other game.
Right now these color schemes for sPvP just makes GW2 UGLY.
And if the Esports is the reason. Make only spectators able to view the full red/blue costumes or “official tournament streamed games” using that crap premade colors.

Old discussion, curious if there will ever be a change to this color coding system. At least the spectators watching all of our games have an easy time distinguishing the teams, right?

There should be a toggle. Oh, let’s be nostalgic: Capes. No? Meow.

great idea, agree with OP

Remove current colors and create better nameplates, the current ones are just that bad, no health bar except for your target or awfully close enemies.
Get these better nameplates, and then add a class icon on it, since the only way to sort a class or another right now is by targetting it, since each class of armor is wearable by 3 different classes, only one that sticks out right now are enges with backpack.
It makes the game quite awkward.
Anyway, signed.

When i saw the colored armor in the beta, i thought it was just a beta thing. i was pretty surprised that it made it into live game. please allow us to dye!

Agreed. In Guild Wars 1 we only had our capes change color, and I doubt anyone was seriously looking at player capes to see which team they were on. I don’t think I ever did, after earning some 18 million balthazar faction. Now the argument can be made that players now have more options to hide and make themselves more difficult to see than in GW1, but as this thread makes it clear, most players still seem to refer to the name colors to differentiate between allies and enemies.

Obviously GW2 is a better looking game than GW1, and the armor/dyeing system has been greatly expanded upon. Further, the main reward of sPvP (besides glory, the in game currency and the idea of it) is to unlock rarer, more visually impressive pieces of gear. By reducing these rewards to full red/blue dye in matches I am sure many players will lose the desire to pursue the rewards at all, thus damaging the appeal and potential of sPvP.

xBeefy.4073:

Cosmic Teapot.9162:

Suggestion: Post in the suggestion forum.

Team should easily be discerned without any aid from a user interface.

exp.
Tf2
Unreal Tournament
Counter-Strike
Day of Defeat
etc.

/thread

None of the games you listed include a customizable character where color actually matters. If the red nameplate isn’t enough to discern it then why did they change WvW from color coated players to simply wearing the normal colors in PvE? Obviously at some point someone decided “hey, they can tell JUST by looking at the names!”

And don’t feed me this excuse that “the character should be discernible apart from the UI.” The nameplate over a character’s head is as part of the character as his arms and legs are. It’s blatantly obvious.

It ruins customization and defeats the purpose of getting cool gear. The only goal to achieve in PvP is to earn cool gear as it stands right now. Why take that away?

It’s not even a dye thing. What it comes down to is if you dye your armor 1 color flat out, it becomes indistinguishable and bland.

I suppose tf2 is the only distinctly relevant example I listed since it has a red vs blue team colors, a very similar crafting system, vanity gear, and dyes (which only work on your hat I believe).

I’m fairly confident that in guild wars 2 lore people don’t have magical health bars floating over their heads. They are in the game as part of the user interface. I suppose this depends on the your definition of user interface though. I don’t consider my character’s head to be part of the user interface. I do consider a health bar that is only visible when certain criteria are met such as range, what in game options I’m using, etc. to be part of the user interface.

Anyway, virtually every team vs team competition from quizbowl to Olympic badminton involves team colors. That’s the way it is in guild wars 2 and I believe it will continue to be that way.

I personally wish the game was solely structured pvp with no vanity items or character size discrepancies. I realize that is minority opinion so let’s just accept the fact that we have differing opinions and leave it at that.

xBeefy.4073:

Jest.9276:

The colored armor sets will make the game much easier to follow for NEW spectators once Anet moves forwards with its plans for E sport.

Why can’t spectator mode ONLY implement this?

I don’t work for Anet, so I couldn’t tell you. Again, All I was doing was offering up the most likely reason it exists. I’m not saying there’s not other ways to do things or whether it’s even necessary.

signed

no matter what you’re wearing you look like an ugly apple or a smurf

Please keep the dyes. Otherwise PVP would be too chaotic to target and identify players.

i agree they should make it like in WvW.

As well, make it so at Character Screen you can see or Tab to change the look which version of ur character appears at character selection between SPVP and PVE.

The problem is it kinda takes fun out of seeing ur level 2 Warrior in Full Armageddon Suit still have their starter armor on in Character Selection SCreen.

i agree, i look cool in “lobby” but when in a match, its same old UGLYYYY red or blue :S

What about the color blind!

I can never tell what the kitten is going on!

I agree, get rid of the dyes! There was never a need for them in GW1.

You have RED and BLUE NAMES floating above your head for goodness sakes, that should be to quickly identify an enemy player if necessary, not only that but you are also provided with target nearest enemy buttons.

If you really care about this I would suggest getting some fresh air and probably some exercise.

I just came home from a 3 hour work out at the gym and still don’t like looking at my sexy armor drenched in red or blue dye, thanks.

I just came home from a 3 hour work out at the gym and still don’t like looking at my sexy armor drenched in red or blue dye, thanks.

Haha, true.. true

The fact that it proved it wasnt needed at GW1 and the fact that its ruining the customisation feature and desire to get cooler gear at higher ranks shows… colours aint needed!

yah.. i’m not a big fan of being red after i have a crap ton of great dyes in my bag

Yes,this really needs to be removed,i really dont like how my char looks in red/blue.Its not needed,the big red bar above people’s head is enough to tell whos friend or foe,the same in WvwvW right ? I mean,we can see whos enemy or friend there..do you really think we’ll get confused in pvp matches if the blue/red is removed ?.

Instead of removing it, have a toggle for it. That way, if you actually use the armor colors to see who is on what team, you can still do it.

Why not identify team members using these! in red and blue instead of taking away the only incentive for playing sPVP at all.

Vorch.2985:

Instead of removing it, have a toggle for it. That way, if you actually use the armor colors to see who is on what team, you can still do it.

This is a perfect idea. This x1000000

+1 here totally agree

I agree that this needs to be removed. Games that differentiate teams by color do it for their own reasons. Usually it’s because the teams are different, or for lore reasons. No one is looking at player color in serious games, that takes way too long. Uniforms in war (camo excluded) exist for friendlies, not for enemies. Since there’s no friendly fire, no need for this.

Vorch.2985:

Instead of removing it, have a toggle for it. That way, if you actually use the armor colors to see who is on what team, you can still do it.

This is a really good idea. It will also allow for a toggle for when they want to do an e-sport event.

I’m going to be the odd one out and disagree with this idea. Contrary to what the majority seems to believe, the visible differentiation between teams affects PvP gameplay more than you’d think. It’s a universal mechanic used in every MMO I can think of, and even in team-based sports in the real world. Think about it. How confusing would it be if every player in a basketball game wore a different jersey, but there were really only two teams?

And as for hovering nameplates – those disappear if the person is beyond a certain distance away from you.

If anything, I like Vorch’s idea for the option to turn them off. But I think most people would find this affects their gameplay negatively more than positively. But hey, who cares how well you play as long as you look pretty!

I cant stand these colors, please consider this.

NO its hard enough time trying to make out whos friend or foe without capes.
Those colours need to be brighter if anything, or glowing like in tron lol

Support this. Why would we get dyes in PvP when we can’t use them IN PvP?

Also, the whole point of endgame is to look shiny, why is our gear splashed in blue and red and green colours in sPvP and WvW?

At least let us have a toggle option. Also, I love the cape idea! Why in the world do we not have capes in this game?! We have hair, terrain, plants, ect., that all move on motion/collision, and yet there are no awesome capes to add to the list.

MAKE IT HAPPEN, ANET!