Guild Wars 2

As mentioned on the update page:

“Prepare for battle with a new universal healing skill! A dose of this cutting-edge Antitoxin Spray will cleanse yourself and nearby allies of poison, torment, confusion, and toxin. This skill is available to characters of all professions.”

What classes will have access to this new condition? will it be an NPC condition only? Torrment just isn’t prevalent enough, hopefully this new condition has some actual ways of applying it.

What I eventually envision is multiple major damaging conditions. Bleeds for mesmers, Torment for Thieves or Necros, and this new condition Toxin for whoever doesn’t get torment. Eventually each class will have a unique “main” condition which will alleviate the condition problem in dungeons. Hopefully this is the next step.

I hope the skill will be PvE only and Toxin will be NPC only.

Nice theory, and I would love to see new conditions, but I don’t know. Something tells me there’s a good chance of it being exclusive to the Tower (that is assuming the Tower is a dungeon or instance of some kind).

The universal healing skill makes me happy. FINALLY Rangers can have an active condition cure instead of all these passives. Also, I have a feeling Toxin will be across the board, in all forms. I just hope that Toxin isn’t that abundant…like maybe 1 thing that can give it for certain classes (like how Torment is).

g e o.2589:

I hope the skill will be PvE only and Toxin will be NPC only.

probably this

Toxin definition: Toxin is a poisonous substance produced within living cells or organisms synthetic substances created by artificial processes are thus excluded. Toxins can be small molecules, peptides, or proteins that are capable of causing disease on contact with or absorption by body tissues interacting with biological macromolecules such as enzymes or cellular receptors.

With thats said will this condition be like the everlasting disease that were in a few condition heavy builds from GW2 and dose any one remember how annoying it was running into condition pressure builds in GvG back then running virulence/tainted fleash. Also if your new and dont know about the condition from gw1 here is a link http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Disease

Makes me think of Teq

Universal healing skill?
Cures you and all nearby allies of several critical conditions?

Anyone else see the forming of the trinity here? Someone will have to carry this healing skill in groups, being the “healer” so to speak.

Not saying this is a bad thing, I think GW2 could seriously benefit from a trinity, but it’s funny that they sell the game on having no trinity, then start slowly working it in later because it allows for more interesting fights.

I could see toxin/ the old disease condition from guild wars one being great ways to break up zerg ball tactics in WvW.

No Walking.6349:

Universal healing skill?
Cures you and all nearby allies of several critical conditions?

Anyone else see the forming of the trinity here? Someone will have to carry this healing skill in groups, being the “healer” so to speak.

Not saying this is a bad thing, I think GW2 could seriously benefit from a trinity, but it’s funny that they sell the game on having no trinity, then start slowly working it in later because it allows for more interesting fights.

It’s not any different that other ways for classes to heal conditions party wide. Warriors aren’t forced into shout-healers/condition cleansers, for example.

But it does give classes that are lacking cleanse another source of it, which is a good thing.

I don’t really see this as anything new there are already several heals that can remove conditions from those around you while sacrificing very little if anything at all. ex. engineer heal turret

This should be available to all classes and is listed under rewards, which seems to infer that we have to do this week’s living story achievements in order to “unlock” it. Please people do not put this off to the end of the week and then complain when you didn’t get it unlocked for your toons!

RyuDragnier.9476:

The universal healing skill makes me happy. FINALLY Rangers can have an active condition cure instead of all these passives. Also, I have a feeling Toxin will be across the board, in all forms. I just hope that Toxin isn’t that abundant…like maybe 1 thing that can give it for certain classes (like how Torment is).

You mean this?

Hawk.7628:

RyuDragnier.9476:

The universal healing skill makes me happy. FINALLY Rangers can have an active condition cure instead of all these passives. Also, I have a feeling Toxin will be across the board, in all forms. I just hope that Toxin isn’t that abundant…like maybe 1 thing that can give it for certain classes (like how Torment is).

You mean this?

If you get knocked out of the spring then what this removes 4 potentially devastating conditions from you and on allies right then and there so already its more powerful then the spring in a sense also what it dosent remove combo feilds can do better

I use Healing Spring, but the condition curing of it is passive after activation, and only if you stand in it. I’m talking about skills you use, and then immediately removes multiple conditions, no wait time.

I, for one, wold love to see GW1 style disease (essentially poison that spreads automatically to nearby allies)

GW1 style disease would introduce much needed counter play to “stack everybody into a tight ball and move as one,” which is what passes for tactics in WvW.

If wander dose it stack in intensity or duration i wander if this Condition can transfer existing ones to other foes making for strategic stacking of this extremely lethal even if its just like GW1 it would cause a bit of panic if its being covered by other kitten and spreads like wild fire among a zerg the only problem is that the condition is like a double edged sword it hurts u and foes. I can see this as totally obliterating a tight packed mindless zerg in wvw if its strong enough.

Give it to my Necrooooooooooooo

Jesus there are too many conditions! Current condition removers need to be amped up

Sounds artificial, like an Engy condition.

Knote.2904:

Sounds artificial, like an Engy condition.

Toxin is not produced artificially it can be produced from living things like snake and spider venom toxins are dangerous to the touch though and can spread like wildfire that way

My expectations for toxin look something like this: http://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2005/09/5337-2/
^_^
it would be nice to have a spell in pvp and wvw that deals more damage when you are close to allies, aka giant zerg ball.

RyuDragnier.9476:

The universal healing skill makes me happy. FINALLY Rangers can have an active condition cure instead of all these passives. Also, I have a feeling Toxin will be across the board, in all forms. I just hope that Toxin isn’t that abundant…like maybe 1 thing that can give it for certain classes (like how Torment is).

Too bad it likely won’t heal our pet thus making it useless….

I hope this will be a new condi though, and if ranger and engi don’t get access to it I’m gonna kittening lose it, just saying lol

Oh we’re going to get it Durz. Probably just on a Devourer or Spider, and MAYBE on the Viper’s Nest (dear god I’d love for it to be there). But we really do need it, it would help us out in the long run.

I had a bit of a different/random idea as well. Instead of adding another damage condition or conditional damage condition, which we already have a good amount of:

Bleed: Damage
Burn: Damage
Poison: Damage and reduced heal
Torment: Damage and more on movement
Confusion: Damage on skills

What if Toxin did something different/extra. One option is being a new disease from gw1. A different approach that I just thought up: it makes other conditions hurt more.

Toxin: X% more susceptible to conditions (they do X% more damage), and/or toxin must always be removed before another condition (regardless of application order). Just a random thought considering how in PvE are still rather weak, and it would be a different approach instead of just adding more damaging conditions.

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Hawk.7628:

RyuDragnier.9476:

The universal healing skill makes me happy. FINALLY Rangers can have an active condition cure instead of all these passives. Also, I have a feeling Toxin will be across the board, in all forms. I just hope that Toxin isn’t that abundant…like maybe 1 thing that can give it for certain classes (like how Torment is).

You mean this?

If you get knocked out of the spring then what this removes 4 potentially devastating conditions from you and on allies right then and there so already its more powerful then the spring in a sense also what it dosent remove combo feilds can do better

Well if CC and condi is an issue for you as a ranger you should rethink your build. Ranger has some of the best passive condi removal and the most evades. Also I’d say healing spring is active condi removal considering you must activate the skill in order to proc the cleanse, that’s like saying Well of Power is passive just because of the clean on pulse mechanic. Signet of Renewal and Empathetic Bond are good examples of passive, and Sig of Renewal has an active cleanse. Either way I hope this condition and the heal are treated as racial skills, we don’t need this in pvp.

I hope Toxin is the Vulnerability version for Dot’s

Vulnerability – Direct Damage
Toxin – DoTs

/Speculation

PD: Maybe is a PvE NPC condition and you need the skill for that.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Oh we’re going to get it Durz. Probably just on a Devourer or Spider, and MAYBE on the Viper’s Nest (dear god I’d love for it to be there). But we really do need it, it would help us out in the long run.

Might be tacked onto Hornet Sting or Serpent Strike or maybe even Poison Volley too, if we don’t get it I’ll probably just delete my ranger lol.

I’d like to see it function like disease from GW1, that’d be AMAZING!!

A condition damage version of Vuln would be really great. Hopefully it has an interesting effect tied into it.

Hawk.7628:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Hawk.7628:

RyuDragnier.9476:

The universal healing skill makes me happy. FINALLY Rangers can have an active condition cure instead of all these passives. Also, I have a feeling Toxin will be across the board, in all forms. I just hope that Toxin isn’t that abundant…like maybe 1 thing that can give it for certain classes (like how Torment is).

You mean this?

If you get knocked out of the spring then what this removes 4 potentially devastating conditions from you and on allies right then and there so already its more powerful then the spring in a sense also what it dosent remove combo feilds can do better

Well if CC and condi is an issue for you as a ranger you should rethink your build. Ranger has some of the best passive condi removal and the most evades. Also I’d say healing spring is active condi removal considering you must activate the skill in order to proc the cleanse, that’s like saying Well of Power is passive just because of the clean on pulse mechanic. Signet of Renewal and Empathetic Bond are good examples of passive, and Sig of Renewal has an active cleanse. Either way I hope this condition and the heal are treated as racial skills, we don’t need this in pvp.

What ranger actually takes that selfish grand-master trait and that pet handicapped signit you give up a tone of dmg for that small bit of condition removal. and a guardian can do that even better with absolute resolution tacked on if the guardian is packing lyssa runes and Renewed Focus elite he can easy eat conditions alive

My thought is that toxin will be contained to the new tower, like agony is tied to fractals. Enemies and environmental fields there will surely have it, thus the connection, but the I would wager the condition will be tied to the content and not (initially) spread beyond it.

Gulesave.5073:

My thought is that toxin will be contained to the new tower, like agony is tied to fractals. Enemies and environmental fields there will surely have it, thus the connection, but the I would wager the condition will be tied to the content and not (initially) spread beyond it.

This condition is not even in the same category as agony you cant remove or deal with agony directly like conditions

I fear that, where I’d like a new condition for classes like Ranger or Thief, adding more and more conditions will require more and more mass condition cleanses. Skills and utilities which cleanse 1 or 2 conditions are slowly becoming useless because we need to take care about 8-12 different conditions at the same time. Skills which cleanse certain, most dangerous conditions like Thief’s heal “Hide in Shadows” coupled with mass cleanses like Warrior’s Signet of Stamina or Lyssa’s Runes will take even upper hand than they’re now and classes with mostly passive condition removal (Rangers) or without mass-cleanses (Mesmers) will be even weaker.

If profesions do get the new Conditon, my guess is that Rangers, Thieves, and Necromancers are most likely to get it. for a few weeks atleast, then everyone cries wolf (ahem…I mean Op) on Rangers, and then only Necromancers and Thieves have it.

Edit : After a few months, just to make sure that Rangers stay inferior to everything else, (because Pets and Nature is for chumps) Anet gives it to all other classes, especially Warriors who will probably get it in greater abundance than rangers ever had, and they’ll put it on one of their spammable power attacks, just because!

(yes, I am obviously joking. Anet would never do that!….right?)

Chrispy.5641:

If profesions do get the new Conditon, my guess is that Rangers, Thieves, and Necromancers are most likely to get it. for a few weeks atleast, then everyone cries wolf (ahem…I mean Op) on Rangers, and then only Necromancers and Thieves have it

Don’t forget that they’ll almost certainly give it to warriors in greater abundance and on one of their spammable power attacks, just cause.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Chrispy.5641:

If profesions do get the new Conditon, my guess is that Rangers, Thieves, and Necromancers are most likely to get it. for a few weeks atleast, then everyone cries wolf (ahem…I mean Op) on Rangers, and then only Necromancers and Thieves have it

Don’t forget that they’ll almost certainly give it to warriors in greater abundance and on one of their spammable power attacks, just cause.

Oh shoot, I forgot all about that! thanks!

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Chrispy.5641:

If profesions do get the new Conditon, my guess is that Rangers, Thieves, and Necromancers are most likely to get it. for a few weeks atleast, then everyone cries wolf (ahem…I mean Op) on Rangers, and then only Necromancers and Thieves have it

Don’t forget that they’ll almost certainly give it to warriors in greater abundance and on one of their spammable power attacks, just cause.

I’m still amazed that warriors have access to torment and confusion yet rangers don’t have any torment (apparently a sword in your chest causes torment but a flock of birds eating your face doesn’t) and thieves have no confusion (wind rider venom, I’m still waiting on you)

I don’t know, but this better be a monster only condition like agony.

Durzlla.6295:

I’m still amazed that warriors have access to torment and confusion yet rangers don’t have any torment (apparently a sword in your chest causes torment but a flock of birds eating your face doesn’t) and thieves have no confusion (wind rider venom, I’m still waiting on you)

Don’t thieves with dual pistols have confusion on skill 4 or is that dazed? Sorry, Im not at home so can’t confirm.

Holy Whirlwind.2067:

Durzlla.6295:

I’m still amazed that warriors have access to torment and confusion yet rangers don’t have any torment (apparently a sword in your chest causes torment but a flock of birds eating your face doesn’t) and thieves have no confusion (wind rider venom, I’m still waiting on you)

Don’t thieves with dual pistols have confusion on skill 4 or is that dazed? Sorry, Im not at home so can’t confirm.

No, it’s dazed. Except with perplexity runes it’s the best confusion applicator in the game.

Holy Whirlwind.2067:

Durzlla.6295:

I’m still amazed that warriors have access to torment and confusion yet rangers don’t have any torment (apparently a sword in your chest causes torment but a flock of birds eating your face doesn’t) and thieves have no confusion (wind rider venom, I’m still waiting on you)

Don’t thieves with dual pistols have confusion on skill 4 or is that dazed? Sorry, Im not at home so can’t confirm.

That’s a 1/4s daze.

I’m hoping this becomes a PvE only condition, acquired through the completion of this new content. They promised us new skills that would have different methods of acquisition before the end of the year, and this seems like the first opportunity to implement them.

Toxin could be a new class condition….disease sounds kool. But its likely that you’re going to be fighting Krait – and they are hiding something – so its possible it’s going to be in this area that you’ll be effected by Toxin – and you’d likely have to coordinate these cleanses to get through the dungeon/content. We also don’t know the cool down nor the radius (at least I didn’t see that mentioned).

Marquie Thomas.1873:

What ranger actually takes that selfish grand-master trait and that pet handicapped signit you give up a tone of dmg for that small bit of condition removal. and a guardian can do that even better with absolute resolution tacked on if the guardian is packing lyssa runes and Renewed Focus elite he can easy eat conditions alive

Solo roamers, obviously.

If you are talking about group play, then your complaint really holds no water. People already have to bunch up for blast heals, and you will get stability from your guardians. Healing Spring is the absolute best healing skill across all classes in a group comp outside of sPvP. A ranger is worth taking for just this and Entangle alone (as long as they aren’t bearbow).

Will be restricted to this new dungeon, and maybe later ones.

If they do actually give Toxin to players, hopefully they give it to the Elementalist, who has no viable condition build.

no more conditions for players please…

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Gulesave.5073:

My thought is that toxin will be contained to the new tower, like agony is tied to fractals. Enemies and environmental fields there will surely have it, thus the connection, but the I would wager the condition will be tied to the content and not (initially) spread beyond it.

This condition is not even in the same category as agony you cant remove or deal with agony directly like conditions

Where does it say Toxin can be dealt with the same way normal conditions can be?

They are introducing a new heal-skill that removes it, which probably means it can’t be cleansed normally – Just like Agony.

My bet is the Tower of Nightmares is a group Jumping Puzzle that requires players to coordinate well-timed uses of the new “Antitoxin Spray” in order to reach the peak.

It will probably be around the same level as racial skills – making it mediocre but with the poison/torment/confusion removal, still adequate for PvE and WvW if you’re expecting those conditions.

Knote.2904:

Sounds artificial, like an Engy condition.

So Necro and Warrior gets them as usual

Rozbuska.5263:

Knote.2904:

Sounds artificial, like an Engy condition.

So Thief and Mesmer gets them as usual

Fixed for accuracy.

So another condition that warriors will probably get on some auto attack and a aoe cleanse encouraging yet more zerging….so glad they give no thought to wvw when they dream up these things.

I’m much more worried about yet another AoE cleanse, one that is available to every player at that. Condition builds already stack up poorly against power builds in WvW ( outside of solo roaming ) due to mass cleanses being easy to fit into strong builds on popular classes. Add even more condition removal and bringing a condition build will be entirely pointless.

This better be restricted to the live story PvE content.