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To have them be one dimensional Xenophobes would in fact be WORSE writing. No group can be that one-dimensional in all dealings.

They even mentioned in the description of the LS that krait are xenophobes, so it’s not like they’re ignoring the lore.

There religion is there weakness it probably the reason why there being exploited for someone’s/SCARLET’S Gain

Redenaz.8631:

The living story explains that whoever is pulling the strings (Scarlet, probably,) found something to offer them: Krait obelisk shards.

No one ever knew where to find them, yet Scarlet has triumphed where no one else could yet again. It was a poor way to fix a problem: Why the krait would ally themselves with others. In any profession you’re not supposed to fix problems but avoid them. The Krait-Nightmare Court alliance should never have happened.

Trying to explain bad reasons for the story with new reasons outside of the given story it is an exercise in futility. If you think this is lore capitalising writing you already missed OP’s point.

“How/where” Scarlet found them would make it more satisfying, I agree: I’m all on-board with the Krait-Nightmare alliance, with the understanding that the Krait are doing it to regain supremacy, but I’m not crazy about Scarlet’s magical involvement.

I disagree with your assessment of the problem dynamic: I say it avoids the problem of motive for the Krait, but creates another problem in leaving a plothole for where Scarlet found the shards. Which, really, feeds into the existing problem of Scarlet being obnoxiously overpowered.

Late For Tea.1846:

Redenaz.8631:

The living story explains that whoever is pulling the strings (Scarlet, probably,) found something to offer them: Krait obelisk shards.

No one ever knew where to find them, yet Scarlet has triumphed where no one else could yet again. It was a poor way to fix a problem: Why the krait would ally themselves with others. In any profession you’re not supposed to fix problems but avoid them. The Krait-Nightmare Court alliance should never have happened.

People do interesting things when given the right incentive. It’s why the phrase “anyone can be bought” exists. In this instance the krait were offered something they absolutely could not refuse…a piece of their obelisk.

Just because nobody found it before Scarlet, doesn’t mean that someone wouldn’t have found it eventually. She was just was the lucky one to piece all the information together, and if she’s as {smart} as {she’s} (stupid flipping filter) made out to be, that’s really not all that surprising. Puzzles seem to be her thing, and what is a treasure hunt? Just another type of puzzle.

We’re pretty sure by this point that someone or something else is pulling Scarlet’s strings, which likely gave her a nudge in the correct direction to find these shards.

Late For Tea.1846:

Redenaz.8631:

The living story explains that whoever is pulling the strings (Scarlet, probably,) found something to offer them: Krait obelisk shards.

No one ever knew where to find them, yet Scarlet has triumphed where no one else could yet again. It was a poor way to fix a problem: Why the krait would ally themselves with others. In any profession you’re not supposed to fix problems but avoid them. The Krait-Nightmare Court alliance should never have happened.

Basically, this is what im talking about.

It seems like anet have once again had to twist the lore and give unfounded powers to the mastermind behind it. And everyone is forgetting how religious the krait actually were.

imagine a scenario where scarlet tries to communicate with the krait, who apparently havnt communicated with any other species for as long as anyone can remember.

How did she even setup a meeting?
Why do the krait trust her, especially as in there eyes, shes a non believer?
And then why would the krait trust the nightmare court, again non believers?

AGAIN this patch just makes me ask ALL THE WRONG questions… Rather than be intrigued by ‘How did this happen?’ im more peeved off with ‘HOW DOES THIS EVEN MAKE SENSE?’

Parlourbeatflex.5970:

Late For Tea.1846:

Redenaz.8631:

The living story explains that whoever is pulling the strings (Scarlet, probably,) found something to offer them: Krait obelisk shards.

No one ever knew where to find them, yet Scarlet has triumphed where no one else could yet again. It was a poor way to fix a problem: Why the krait would ally themselves with others. In any profession you’re not supposed to fix problems but avoid them. The Krait-Nightmare Court alliance should never have happened.

Basically, this is what im talking about.

It seems like anet have once again had to twist the lore and give unfounded powers to the mastermind behind it. And everyone is forgetting how religious the krait actually were.

imagine a scenario where scarlet tries to communicate with the krait, who apparently havnt communicated with any other species for as long as anyone can remember.

How did she even setup a meeting?
Why do the krait trust her, especially as in there eyes, shes a non believer?
And then why would the krait trust the nightmare court, again non believers?

AGAIN this patch just makes me ask ALL THE WRONG questions… Rather than be intrigued by ‘How did this happen?’ im more peeved off with ‘HOW DOES THIS EVEN MAKE SENSE?’

In this vein, you have to take an even further step back…..all the way back to GW1 Prophecies.

The Charr worship no gods. Believe in no gods. Yet sought out gods to grant them power in order to combat humanity in their quest to reclaim Ascalon.

This falls into the same type of thing. The krait are willing to make concessions in order to further their own ends.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Parlourbeatflex.5970:

Late For Tea.1846:

Redenaz.8631:

The living story explains that whoever is pulling the strings (Scarlet, probably,) found something to offer them: Krait obelisk shards.

No one ever knew where to find them, yet Scarlet has triumphed where no one else could yet again. It was a poor way to fix a problem: Why the krait would ally themselves with others. In any profession you’re not supposed to fix problems but avoid them. The Krait-Nightmare Court alliance should never have happened.

Basically, this is what im talking about.

It seems like anet have once again had to twist the lore and give unfounded powers to the mastermind behind it. And everyone is forgetting how religious the krait actually were.

imagine a scenario where scarlet tries to communicate with the krait, who apparently havnt communicated with any other species for as long as anyone can remember.

How did she even setup a meeting?
Why do the krait trust her, especially as in there eyes, shes a non believer?
And then why would the krait trust the nightmare court, again non believers?

AGAIN this patch just makes me ask ALL THE WRONG questions… Rather than be intrigued by ‘How did this happen?’ im more peeved off with ‘HOW DOES THIS EVEN MAKE SENSE?’

In this vein, you have to take an even further step back…..all the way back to GW1 Prophecies.

The Charr worship no gods. Believe in no gods. Yet sought out gods to grant them power in order to combat humanity in their quest to reclaim Ascalon.

This falls into the same type of thing. The krait are willing to make concessions in order to further their own ends.

Good points ill give you that.

Although again, I must state is really difficult to actually compare the krait with anything else in game, because they are very unique in the gw universe.
but yet again they are treated like every other race in the game and given an alliance, because for some unknown reason anet feel the need to give us two enemies each time. Its like they think fighting one type of mob throughout a themed LS dungeon/instance/zerg whatever will bore most players. Really shows how weak they know there story telling is atm.

Parlourbeatflex.5970:

Good points ill give you that.

Although again, I must state is really difficult to actually compare the krait with anything else in game, because they are very unique in the gw universe.
but yet again they are treated like every other race in the game and given an alliance, because for some unknown reason anet feel the need to give us two enemies each time. Its like they think fighting one type of mob throughout a themed LS dungeon/instance/zerg whatever will bore most players. Really shows how weak they know there story telling is atm.

The krait seem very GW1 charr like to me. So its plausible in my mind that they would seek some way to regain their glory. I mean, bringing back their prophets and subjugating the entire world is a huge undertaking, and if they are already being pushed back (as their lore suggested) then like the Charr, they may seek alternate means to furthering their ends.

As for getting 2 enemies every time, there may be something deeper there. We don’t know. Lots of theories floating around out there though. But, it could turn out to be nothing too, it’s still fun to speculate. It’s like theorizing what’s going to happen in the next chapter of a good book.

Parlourbeatflex.5970:

It seems like anet have once again had to twist the lore and give unfounded powers to the mastermind behind it. And everyone is forgetting how religious the krait actually were.

imagine a scenario where scarlet tries to communicate with the krait, who apparently havnt communicated with any other species for as long as anyone can remember.

How did she even setup a meeting?
Why do the krait trust her, especially as in there eyes, shes a non believer?
And then why would the krait trust the nightmare court, again non believers?

Just because the krait are hyper-supremacist doesn’t mean they’re too brutish and stupid to hold off on the slaughter if it serves their ends. They already use other races for slaves and sacrifices (rather than exterminating them all on sight,) and there’s no definite reason a clever schemer couldn’t manipulate them if they say all the right things. (Respectfully deferring to krait religious leaders, for instance, so as not to provoke them.)

Speaking of the krait religious leaders,

The prophets of the krait are false religious figures invented by a ruling priest caste to maintain their control.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shadows_in_the_Water_%E2%80%93_The_Krait

It’s not the rank and file worshippers calling the shots; that’s what the priests are for. And while there might be some true believers among the priest caste, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that there are those who wouldn’t say no to someone who offers them power, with the obelisk shards to prove it. There’s bound to be tension between “follow our leaders” and “follow our other traditions,” but as long as faith in the leaders is stronger, it’s less unbelievable than it sounds.

Marquie Thomas.1873:

There religion is there weakness it probably the reason why there being exploited for someone’s/SCARLET’S Gain

What exactly is Scarlet’s gain?

Jeff.4680:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

There religion is there weakness it probably the reason why there being exploited for someone’s/SCARLET’S Gain

What exactly is Scarlet’s gain?

To watch the world burn and from the ashes rebuild it into something she envisions this alliance just causes more chaos so she can work from the shadow’s on her next plot we will find out what that is on November 5th.

Jeff.4680:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

There religion is there weakness it probably the reason why there being exploited for someone’s/SCARLET’S Gain

What exactly is Scarlet’s gain?

We don’t know yet.
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I have no opinion in Living Story altogether as of yet. I don’t think it is prudent to judge an unfinished product. I will say that I have liked some, and disliked others, but we all know that a whole is much greater than the sum of its parts.

Dondagora.9645:

They even mentioned in the description of the LS that krait are xenophobes, so it’s not like they’re ignoring the lore.

They’re just changing it to fit their tastes and having the issue of changing it being lampshaded in the game with all the good guys going “why the hell is there an alliance?”

But their explanation isn’t all that bad – you got at least one Oratuss (the leadership of the krait) seeking the Prophets’ return and he believes that the alliance will further this goal. Temporarily working with another race so that they can bring their Prophets who can and will enslave all races? Doesn’t seem that contradictory.

And Scarlet using obelisk shards to seal the deal is… well, that’s both easy and hard to take in. I personally would have thought the krait would gut a sylvari where he/she stands for defiling their sacred relics, blaming the sylvari on destroying the obelisk to then try to use the krait by offering the shards. But I can see how one can be convinced to working with those who offer the shards.

And the Nightmare Courtiers being a splinter group of the Court makes it a bit more believable.

However, I don’t know what the hell Scarlet’s plan in all this is. What relevance does this all have with her overarching goal? And why is she working with the Nightmare Court whom she stated to hate?

Late For Tea.1846:

Redenaz.8631:

The living story explains that whoever is pulling the strings (Scarlet, probably,) found something to offer them: Krait obelisk shards.

No one ever knew where to find them, yet Scarlet has triumphed where no one else could yet again. It was a poor way to fix a problem: Why the krait would ally themselves with others. In any profession you’re not supposed to fix problems but avoid them. The Krait-Nightmare Court alliance should never have happened.

What’re you talking about? People knew where to find them.

It’s just that they were all on the ocean floor and rather rare.

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Jeff.4680:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

There religion is there weakness it probably the reason why there being exploited for someone’s/SCARLET’S Gain

What exactly is Scarlet’s gain?

To watch the world burn and from the ashes rebuild it into something she envisions this alliance just causes more chaos so she can work from the shadow’s on her next plot we will find out what that is on November 5th.

She’s terrible at it and quite childish in doing so.
The more ANet tries to push Scarlet as some kind of super genius villain the more incompetent she seems.

The Kraits intentions are to flood Tyria and destroy land dwellers, included in that are the nightmare court.

It like some massive housing corporation is going to level your neighbourhood to rebuild and you side with them to help wipe out the street, but your house is also on the hit list. Why would you side with them? Quite simply – you wouldn’t

Thobek.1730:

The Kraits intentions are to flood Tyria and destroy land dwellers, included in that are the nightmare court.

It like some massive housing corporation is going to level your neighbourhood to rebuild and you side with them to help wipe out the street, but your house is also on the hit list. Why would you side with them? Quite simply – you wouldn’t

There is no reason to not betray their allies, After the krait got what the wanted. They can destroy the land dwellers non the less when their prophets return.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Dondagora.9645:

They even mentioned in the description of the LS that krait are xenophobes, so it’s not like they’re ignoring the lore.

But their explanation isn’t all that bad – you got at least one Oratuss (the leadership of the krait) seeking the Prophets’ return and he believes that the alliance will further this goal. Temporarily working with another race so that they can bring their Prophets who can and will enslave all races? Doesn’t seem that contradictory.

And Scarlet using obelisk shards to seal the deal is… well, that’s both easy and hard to take in. I personally would have thought the krait would gut a sylvari where he/she stands for defiling their sacred relics, blaming the sylvari on destroying the obelisk to then try to use the krait by offering the shards. But I can see how one can be convinced to working with those who offer the shards.

And the Nightmare Courtiers being a splinter group of the Court makes it a bit more believable.

However, I don’t know what the hell Scarlet’s plan in all this is. What relevance does this all have with her overarching goal? And why is she working with the Nightmare Court whom she stated to hate?

(after a little more playing)

Fair enough the in game historian npc is a good touch and I could be swayed into it aslong as there is deeper information revealed about the alliance. However i havnt seen anything said on the prophets yet…. speculation and again, people outside of the game having to connect the dots. Also, I do hope we see unexpected things to be honest. I guess my gripe is again coming down to scarlet being behind it… again. I was strongly believing that anet would exclude her and return to expanding existing lore again but looks like there doing both unless the npc is mistaken. I’d rather not have her mess about with old lore as shes a hated character that shouldnt last in the long term due to fan outcry and the eventual return to dragons.

I do hope some of the better theories surrounding scarlet out there do come true, because the game itself is currently LS episodes akin to cheesy TV shows. Think of a show that has little character or overarching plot progression, apart from of course, that main crazy kitten super genius villain that seems to have the logistical skills of a navy commander, hiring teams of the most deadliest enemies to do the dirty work, YET get absolutely rolled on by the main character and friends every… single… scheme.

Guy admits he doesn’t know much about the lore. Calls it wrong. Quits game.

Seems legit.

Curo.2483:

Guy admits he doesn’t know much about the lore. Calls it wrong. Quits game.

Seems legit.

I was basically saying im not a expert by any means and i thought it was obvious enough I am interested in the lore and a coherent LS. Not only is gw1 rich and deep, but simply because without a decent story arch in which expands the gw universe in a meaningful way, I doubt players will stick around in the longer term without expansion content. The LS needs to start getting good fast.

I admit I sounded a little ragey, getting in from work and reading notes while patching. However im seriously concerned that other mmos will snatch my attention away from gw2 completely. I play a few games and getting time to do the achievements is hard enough.

Personally I think the quaggan in the research camp who says the krait have enslaved the nightmare court might be on to something.

Whether that’s literally the case or if it’s just how the krait have been lead to perceive the situation it could explain why they’d be willing to work with other races.

But the NPCs in the camp have a lot of other theories, why the krait would ally with anyone, let alone the nightmare court, seems to be the main thing they want to talk about so I don’t think Anet are ignoring it. It wouldn’t surprise me if it became an important part of the storyline.

displacedTitan.6897:

To have them be one dimensional Xenophobes would in fact be WORSE writing. No group can be that one-dimensional in all dealings.

Just to quote this. The krait are painted as one dimensional xenophobes, and while not very creative, that’s what they were explained as, that’s how they are perceived, and now we’re getting something that goes completely against it. On the brightside, if you want there to be some dwarves that aren’t stone, you just might be in luck.

Danikat.8537:

Personally I think the quaggan in the research camp who says the krait have enslaved the nightmare court might be on to something.

Whether that’s literally the case or if it’s just how the krait have been lead to perceive the situation it could explain why they’d be willing to work with other races.

But the NPCs in the camp have a lot of other theories, why the krait would ally with anyone, let alone the nightmare court, seems to be the main thing they want to talk about so I don’t think Anet are ignoring it. It wouldn’t surprise me if it became an important part of the storyline.

God I hope the Quaggan is right…

fist whiskeyjack.4318:

Thobek.1730:

The Kraits intentions are to flood Tyria and destroy land dwellers, included in that are the nightmare court.

It like some massive housing corporation is going to level your neighbourhood to rebuild and you side with them to help wipe out the street, but your house is also on the hit list. Why would you side with them? Quite simply – you wouldn’t

There is no reason to not betray their allies, After the krait got what the wanted. They can destroy the land dwellers non the less when their prophets return.

You missed my point, the Nightmare court are aligning themselves with a group whose ultimate goal is to annihilate them. that is strange. I can understand it if they had a similar goal, but they don’t.

The only way I can deal with this is both groups are reluctantly working together to first take out their common enemy (everyone if your Krait) then both the nightmare court and the Krait are planning to backstab each other.

A Massive Headache.1879:

displacedTitan.6897:

To have them be one dimensional Xenophobes would in fact be WORSE writing. No group can be that one-dimensional in all dealings.

Just to quote this. The krait are painted as one dimensional xenophobes, and while not very creative, that’s what they were explained as, that’s how they are perceived, and now we’re getting something that goes completely against it. On the brightside, if you want there to be some dwarves that aren’t stone, you just might be in luck.

The charr were originally painted as more beasts than humanoid, barely sentient killing machines who surprised everyone when they managed to put together the spell that triggered the Searing.

Which was reasonable at the time because we were seeing them from the perspective of a young Ascalonian whose only experience of the charr (and most of what they would have been told) was their constant attacks on Ascalon. As the story went along we, and our characters, learned more about their society and they came to appear more sophisticated.

In GW1 all we saw of the krait was small groups coming to the shore and attacking everyone and everything in sight. So of course our perception of them is that they’re evil and xenophobic and wouldn’t ever have anything to do with another race.

It doesn’t mean it’s right or completely accurate. Given the right incentive, possibly from the right allies, they might well be very willing to work with other races.

On the other hand the nightmare court are a new, radical group of Tyria’s youngest race. It might be that they’ve proven the exception to the rule. Or maybe the krait actually judge each group separately and decide whether to work with them or kill them and it’s just that until now they’ve always decided to kill us.

For all we know they have excellent relationships with the Largos or other deep water races who don’t have much to do with our races.

It feels like the Krait are being forced to work for Scarlet as they aren’t even revived by their Human Followers and vice versa. Or maybe it was just to difficult for them to make Krait revivable … and it ’s not Lore related at all.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

And Scarlet using obelisk shards to seal the deal is… well, that’s both easy and hard to take in.

And where did she get them? more bullkitten plot fillers. Scarlet always seems to have exactly what ever race she is dealing with wants. Untold resources to build huge ship yards, her ridiculous education, this pirate army of inexhaustible numbers… now she just happens to have obelisk shards. ughh

when she is finally taken care of I would like some answers to how this one crazed teenage sylvari managed all of this.

Lostwingman.5034:

Danikat.8537:

Personally I think the quaggan in the research camp who says the krait have enslaved the nightmare court might be on to something.

Whether that’s literally the case or if it’s just how the krait have been lead to perceive the situation it could explain why they’d be willing to work with other races.

But the NPCs in the camp have a lot of other theories, why the krait would ally with anyone, let alone the nightmare court, seems to be the main thing they want to talk about so I don’t think Anet are ignoring it. It wouldn’t surprise me if it became an important part of the storyline.

God I hope the Quaggan is right…

Hahaha… YES. So do I.

Unfortunately it does seem like scarlet is involved again however… Theres a toxic hybrid creature picture on the upcoming release thing. Not good signs.

Altho, if scarlet had worked with the nightmare court to aquire the obselisk and tricked the krait into believing they were then slaves because they saw the mighty power of the prophets eventual return… In which a few updates ahead actually happens and brings forward a new megaboss… surprising nightmare court and players, bringing about panic as flooding starts in kessex hills and surronding areas… Then not only could say; “It all makes sense now!” but also, " holy moly anet, please let this content stay and be a reminder on how to do a LS arc".

However, thats alot of what ifs to bank on and we still have scarlet.

Redenaz.8631:

Parlourbeatflex.5970:

They believe other, lesser races have nothing to offer them, so the krait never bother to communicate with them. Never beaten, they are convinced that they are blessed and elevated: the superior species in the world.

The living story explains that whoever is pulling the strings (Scarlet, probably,) found something to offer them: Krait obelisk shards. The Krait might not like working with the Nightmare Court in return for them, but they do have a reasonably explained motive.

Add to that another NPC talking about how the Krait used to be top dogs out in the ocean, but are on the decline since moving to shallower waters, and it’s easy to see how they’d jump on any chance to hasten the return of their prophets, to return the Krait to supremacy. If they have to work with others to bring themselves the power to step (slither over?) everyone else, so be it.

I do hope we get more development on this alliance, more than with the other shallow alliances we’ve seen, but at least this one is set up with a lore-based motive. It’s not enough to say “Krait are xenophobes, ends of story.” They’re allowed to be cunning as well as stubborn.

My primary concern here is the writers seem to have fabricated the obelisks and given them to Scarlet simply to magic a motive for the krait to do what Scarlet wanted them to do. That kind of writing is lazy. How would that be different from creating a magical artifact treasured by any other race and giving it to Scarlet so she can trade it to them for their allegiance? Maybe something the centaurs want and combining it with the Inquest for example. It’s a pretty weak route to take.

The only reason I like the obelisk story is because it’s interesting regardless of the alliance. Krait prophets would have been a good Living Story all on its own, it doesn’t need Scarlet as a gimmick, bringing in the Nightmare Court because she “likes unusual pairings”.

None of these factions were working with each other a year ago, suddenly in a year we’ve had three magical alliances and Scarlet keeps conveniently having something to offer everyone.

I agree that the krait can’t just be xenophobes and never evolve from that, but an alliance like this one hasn’t been earned by the story. They can’t just keep on conjuring obelisks to act as motives. It’s transparent they just wanted to force an unusual pairing into the story and fabricated a reason for it to happen.

The Quaggan that claims the Nightmare Court is enslaved may be a major clue to the true nature of the Nightmare Court…

Namely that the Krait Prophets are the Nightmare and have shown the Nightmare Court and/or Scarlet where the Krait Obelisk fragments are in order to prove to the Krait priests that they are members of the Prophets’ armies(remember the Krait sacrifice slaves to fuel the Prophet’s armies so them having an advance force to prepare the way for the Prophets’ return is quite natural)

It is just another bad take on the story telling and twisting of what we know of other races or have experienced first hand. Every single so called alliance has been massively underwhelming and mainly because of the reasons behind each one and how it slaughters anything established just so it can make Scarlet work.

Flame Legion

The flame legion want to enslave the rest of the Charr and have no respect for females of any race. They kitten and torture female Charr for kicks and you can even read about it in the game after you finish the flame shaman event. Females of other races are seen as something even lower because flame legion are racist on top of being extremely sexist. The flame legion has also suffered setbacks before always rebuilt even it it took time on their own power. Abaddon with the use of the titans was really the only one who successfully manipulated them. They are also highly protective of their magic as even the priory doesn’t truly understand the older magics gifted to them long ago such as the searing cauldrons.

Yet Scarlet a FEMALE of a race seen as very gullible and naive some how managed to get this race to do what she wanted. She got them to teach the dredge their deepest magical secrets, some how got them to follow a female of another race, got them to rely on another race for power when their goal is to enslave the world. She even directed them to split their attack off taking back leadership of the Charr alone and attack the Norn at the exact same time. It made no sense and went against all you know about the flame legion.

Dredge

A highly xenophobic race that was just betrayed by those they see as surface dwellers that steal all their resources and are out to enslave them like the dwarf’s did so long ago. It was just an inquest betrayal but they see all surface dwellers the same. This was rapidly followed by a split in the dredge leadership that you help with the story in SE. So on top of that the dredge are in the middle of a massive civil war with themselves underground. The communist like leadership is fighting the workers for control of their race.

Yet they are willing to listen once again right after that betrayal and during a civil war to yet another outsider with the promise of power so quickly? The workers revolt is nowhere to be seen during all this as well as if all the progress made in Sorrow’s Embrace meant nothing at all.

If anything the xenophobic nature of the dredge would have been enhanced by those recent events. While she might have been able to get the communist side to listen somewhere to her the parts of it trying to grasp power. It is just highly unlikely with recent events that they would do so and even more unlikely they’d do so with a race that views them as future slaves or something to be burned to ash.

Krait

The history of the krait is one of extreme xenophobic nature. They see every other race as less then dirt and one day hope to commit genocide upon each and every one of them. The very few instances the krait actually bothered to talk to anyone in a dialogue such as the human story was only made so they could try to get what they wanted. They manipulated, used illusions, and lied through their teeth until they were caught. So the only time they’ve bothered to speak to anyone they never did it in a meaningful way. It was just a means to an end with hollow words and after being discovered it was right back into the killing. This is also very very rare according to what we know and highly unusual of them at all for any dialogue offered. Their entire history is one of working alone to wipe out all other races.

The krait operated alone at sea from their giant towers full of slaves with these goals and those that saw these towers would flee in fear. Many would not make it and become food/slaves for the krait. Even after losing these towers to something unknown and being driven inland the continue the same practices. So a loss of power did nothing to change the centuries of hate the krait love so dear.

Yet Scarlet not only managed to talk to this race but got them to ally with another and share their ancient magic passed down verbally from one generation to another. Magic they have never shared before to anyone. She also got them to setup shop inland even further from where they are strongest with this other race in a giant tower. All this for shards they see as a key to their ultimate goal. The krait didn’t try to fight Scarlet for them, steal them, nothing. They just went along with it.

Nightmare Court

Faolain and her court are probably the only ones besides the Inquest it actually makes sense for them to speak with and work with Scarlet. As they are willing to ally with others to further the goal of spreading the nightmare and taking over the pale tree in the attempt they see as a way to save their race from the bloody Ventari tablet.

Inquest

As noted above the only other one used so far it makes sense that they’d ally with her because as long as they get something out of it they are happy. They just want power and are willing to do anything to get it. So an alliance between the nightmare court and the inquest would make sense but not so much those others.

None of this even touches on all the other over the top stuff. Such as claiming the Sylvari can’t break free of the nightmare or the pale tree. When there are a great many in the world who side with neither and can’t hear the dream anymore. This is commented on ingame so breaking the mold that doesn’t even exist makes zip sense.

Then there is the Asura a very protective race of their technology. Especially the portal technology they do not want misused or used against them. Yet they let a Sylvari who isn’t even a firstborn into every college and learn all their secrets. Including from what we have seen of Scarlet dimensional portal technology.

Oh.. and the crazy vision she had which some how changed from a normal nut into a super nut. It is implied this power effects the very fabric of their universe and nobody anywhere escapes it. Yet Scarlet just magically finds a way to see it and let it empower her.

Scarlet also magically finds the super rare shards the krait can barely find on the bottom of the ocean it is so rare. The ones they have devoted everything they have into finding and using. Yep…

Then there is the fact as well that every other race is also willing to teach her new things and she magically masters all those things such as some of the Charr technology and Norn blacksmithing.

Scarlet is like a Mary Sue you’d write in class growing up in my opinion because you thought the all powerful perfect god villian was really cool. Then you grow up read what you wrote years later and laugh at how silly you were.

Redenaz.8631:

Parlourbeatflex.5970:

They believe other, lesser races have nothing to offer them, so the krait never bother to communicate with them. Never beaten, they are convinced that they are blessed and elevated: the superior species in the world.

The living story explains that whoever is pulling the strings (Scarlet, probably,) found something to offer them: Krait obelisk shards. The Krait might not like working with the Nightmare Court in return for them, but they do have a reasonably explained motive.

You seem to have missed the most relevant part of the post above:

The krait will seize whatever they want for themselves — slaves in particular — with a ruthless efficiency.

Yes, Scarlet might have something that they want. It doesn’t mean they will cooperate – it should only make her their primary target.

They sacrifice their slaves for one purpose:

To increase their Prophets’ armies!

By giving them the means to bring the Prophets back Scarlet has proven her race as worthy of being the the ones helping the Oratuss and Krait summon the Prophets and be among the first wave of the Prophets’ great army.

Mickey Frogeater.1470:

They sacrifice their slaves for one purpose:

To increase their Prophets’ armies!

By giving them the means to bring the Prophets back Scarlet has proven her race as worthy of being the the ones helping the Oratuss and Krait summon the Prophets and be among the first wave of the Prophets’ great army.

And which is why, instead of subjugating Nightmare and Scarlet, they allow her to order them around? And treat Nightmare Court not as an expendable, inferior battle fodder, but as equals?
That… doesn’t sound right.

You forget that a certain Quaggan claims that the Krait enslaved the Nightmare Court.

All this implies that the Krait see Scarlet as servant getting them Obelisk shards while the Nightmare Court are seen as enslaved(whether they actually are or not is irrelevant) constructors and armies.

Oratuss most likely see all Krait as expendable

Mickey Frogeater.1470:

You forget that a certain Quaggan claims that the Krait enslaved the Nightmare Court.

All this implies that the Krait see Scarlet as servant getting them Obelisk shards while the Nightmare Court are seen as enslaved(whether they actually are or not is irrelevant) constructors and armies.

Oratuss most likely see all Krait as expendable

this is just a Quaggan saying the Krait must be behind it all, that’s just because of the Quaggan’s hatred towards the Krait, nothing more.

Astralporing.1957:

Redenaz.8631:

Parlourbeatflex.5970:

They believe other, lesser races have nothing to offer them, so the krait never bother to communicate with them. Never beaten, they are convinced that they are blessed and elevated: the superior species in the world.

The living story explains that whoever is pulling the strings (Scarlet, probably,) found something to offer them: Krait obelisk shards. The Krait might not like working with the Nightmare Court in return for them, but they do have a reasonably explained motive.

You seem to have missed the most relevant part of the post above:

The krait will seize whatever they want for themselves — slaves in particular — with a ruthless efficiency.

Yes, Scarlet might have something that they want. It doesn’t mean they will cooperate – it should only make her their primary target.

I considered that, but Scarlet, assumably, is too smart to put herself in that situation. She might provide a fragment to prove she can provide something of value to the Krait, but she’s not going to make herself unnecessary to the scheme. They can kill her for holding out on them, but one less Sylvari in the world hardly advances the Krait ascendancy. The Krait will take anything that’s in their power to take, but, let’s be honest, the Krait aren’t exactly one of the mightier peoples in Tyria. They’re vicious, mean, and good at picking on quaggan, but we’ve never seen them organize with very impressive strength or numbers.

The fact that they can’t take what they want right now is just another on the long list of reasons the Krait priests would be willing to temporarily compromise their “all Krait, all the time” ideals for a chance to raise their standing compared to other world powers.

What if the point of these alliances is for the devs to make us aware that we should be feeling they’re very wrong and probably should never have existed? It could be a way to lead up to some lore-friendly explanation in the end…I hope.

Redenaz.8631:

Astralporing.1957:

Redenaz.8631:

Parlourbeatflex.5970:

They believe other, lesser races have nothing to offer them, so the krait never bother to communicate with them. Never beaten, they are convinced that they are blessed and elevated: the superior species in the world.

The living story explains that whoever is pulling the strings (Scarlet, probably,) found something to offer them: Krait obelisk shards. The Krait might not like working with the Nightmare Court in return for them, but they do have a reasonably explained motive.

You seem to have missed the most relevant part of the post above:

The krait will seize whatever they want for themselves — slaves in particular — with a ruthless efficiency.

Yes, Scarlet might have something that they want. It doesn’t mean they will cooperate – it should only make her their primary target.

I considered that, but Scarlet, assumably, is too smart to put herself in that situation. She might provide a fragment to prove she can provide something of value to the Krait, but she’s not going to make herself unnecessary to the scheme. They can kill her for holding out on them, but one less Sylvari in the world hardly advances the Krait ascendancy. The Krait will take anything that’s in their power to take, but, let’s be honest, the Krait aren’t exactly one of the mightier peoples in Tyria. They’re vicious, mean, and good at picking on quaggan, but we’ve never seen them organize with very impressive strength or numbers.

The fact that they can’t take what they want right now is just another on the long list of reasons the Krait priests would be willing to temporarily compromise their “all Krait, all the time” ideals for a chance to raise their standing compared to other world powers.

You can read their old lore though and they did used to be quite a thing to mess with at the seas. It really is recent with what we assume is bubbles running them out that they’ve lost a nice chunk of this power and also the risen problem.

Why do people think that Scarlet personally found the Obelisk shards? Personally, I would have expected something more along the lines of her handing a bunch of maps to some Aetherblade engineering crews and saying, “Here, there should be some Krait relics at these locations. Make a magic beacon thing, do a grid search, and call me when you find them. Now excuse me, I am late for my daily invasion.”

Valor Singus.7049:

Why do people think that Scarlet personally found the Obelisk shards? Personally, I would have expected something more along the lines of her handing a bunch of maps to some Aetherblade engineering crews and saying, “Here, there should be some Krait relics at these locations. Make a magic beacon thing, do a grid search, and call me when you find them. Now excuse me, I am late for my daily invasion.”

You mean relics that Krait themselves had issues finding and the bottom of the ocean was their world and the crazy towers till what we assume is bubbles kicked them out? Yet the mystical Scarlet some how knows where they are, how to pull them up from the bottom of the ocean, and in vast quantities.

Ya, that totally makes sense. The random barely even few stinking year old plant magically knew where they were and magically invented the perfect technology to use them. Just happens to have all the right skills for yet another job again.

Parlourbeatflex.5970:

Krait allied with anyone is a massive. The little I know about the games deep lore tells me krait arnt the type to ally with other races. Example comes directly from gw2 krait wiki;

“Krait are vicious creatures, completely uninterested in the needs or well-being of others. The krait have never felt threatened by any of the land or other sea-dwelling races. They believe other, lesser races have nothing to offer them, so the krait never bother to communicate with them. Never beaten, they are convinced that they are blessed and elevated: the superior species in the world. The krait will seize whatever they want for themselves — slaves in particular — with a ruthless efficiency.”

It’s called “poetic license” Anet can do what it likes with the story & lore of their game and Krait, like anyone else can evolve. Being rather intelligent, they are quite capable of changing their mind about other races, at least once given enough incentive to do so.

The Krait are religious zealots in a way. I don’t have any problem with them setting aside their normal xenophobia to acquire shards of power offered to them by someone who in return wants their assistance/help. The Krait are not loyal to Scarlet, they’re being opportunistic. Their bought loyalty will last only as long as the flow of shards keeps up.

As someone above already mentioned, depicting the Krait as dumb xenophobic types without a sense of cleverness about them would be an unforgivable shallow depiction of what we already know to be a cunning and powerful society with a strong hierarchy.

So, just speaking for myself here, I like what Arenanet has done to this group of Krait and I’m interested to find out where the story will lead us.

Finding the Shards is not a problem. Well it is rather easy. The real problem is to get to the shards without being killed by DSD minions, it is impossible for the Krait to get to the Obelisks and the shards because of the DSD. That leads to the other Question. How could Scarlet recovered some of the shards? My answer is the Aetherblades. They have a way to get to the Obelisks. Airships. They could just fly to them, cut the Obelisks into small pieces and fly back with the shards. No big deal for the Aetherblades.

But there is another problem. Even with the Shards, there is a risk that the Krait would butcher them ( NC, Scarlet or whoever was there to build the alliance ) for defiling their sacred shards. They had to minimize the risk. The Krait religion and society is weakpoint they could exploit. The Orratus are the leader of the Krait. If the Orratus say, we are building an „alliance“ to get our prophets back, no Krait would object. The problem is, how it is possible to settle a deal with the Orratus without being killed on sight? Perhaps the Mesmer behind the Veil is the answer. He could just subtly manipulate the Orratus, so they wouldn’t attack the one who bring them the shards.

I posted this in another thread in response to a similar post by someone who was horrified that the krait would form any sort of alliance just before the patch.

Xar.6185:

And this is why you are supposed to be all the more impressed / afraid of Scarlet as she will be the one to make the krait ally with the nightmare court.

Scarlet has already made the racist, sexist, xenophobic flame legion char work for her, alongside another race.

Scarlet has already made the xenophobic dredge, who have freed themselves from very oppressive leaders twice before, work for her along side another race.

Scarlet found an army of pirates that were pretty much non-exsistent before her.

Scarlet creates portals to other worlds and imports armies of steam creatures.

Why wouldn’t she be able to make the krait & nightmare court work together? This is her M.O. to a tee. She is above all. Better than the best Norn blacksmith, smarter than all the asura, the best char legionaire since sliced internet bread.

Make no mistake about it. Whether they fight against her or for her, the krait are now allied with the nightmare court and it is because of Scarlet Briar.

I wish I was wrong…. but all of the evidence suggests that I am not…

The question is are you more impressed / afraid / respecful of her threat or just even more annoyed by Scarlet’s superiority?