Guild Wars 2

Smackjack.5071:

sorrow.2364:

Mammoth.1975:

How would you like to jump on a server right now and see? PM me.

You just need to enter in any sPvP/tPvP match, open fraps, record a video and put it on YouTube or to give me a video of someone’s else doing this. There is no need to let me jump in a server and wasting half an hour of my life to see something that probably won’t happen.

You are being offered the oportunity to see it live right there and there. You are offered evidence like this and you turn it down with THAT answer??

wow , just wow and how sad is that? :/

To be fair, he’s probably right. I won’t survive for a minute+ against 3 players if one or two of them are semi competent, but every now and then you get fights like the guys trying to take down that guard.

sorrow.2364:

Smackjack.5071:

LOLLMAOROFLOMG what?

If i had not been in danger of a ban for saying it i would have said something else but you know what ,have a lollipop ,suck on that.
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You know what you could do to see the answer that go back and read my 5 last posts or so in response to you and you can count the amount of times i have resorted to using my own quote to answer the same daRn subject including the original post from which i started quoting myself in order to keep answering that same subject you keep bringing up time and time again.

I am not going to do it for you , do it yourself there simply are to many of them.

I did, I’ve just seen me trying to focusing on the game balancing itself and you keeping argue about op’s skills. This is probably why you have the time to write bs but you have no time to quote when I drove the argument on op’s skills.

Considering the lame way you just turned down mammoths offer i decided to compile it anyway.

empty quotes failled because of typo ,misplacing the tag but you can add them up cant you ??the ones that do come through are more then enough already.

sorrow.2364:

This is not the point of op. He is aware that he is not the best player of GW2, but focusing on his skill level without considering what the OP actually wanted to show is just stupid

This isn’t BS. I see everyone here saying that he is bad, that he has to learn to play and so on while none is actually discussing the skills and mechanics the op wanted to show. This is BS.

@Smackjack: You are doing all wrong, seriously.

1. Is the video about op’s skills? Is the topic about op’s skills? If yes, it is right that everyone is talking about his abilities, but since the video isn’t about his skills, not talking about the problem but focusing on his skills is just stupid.

sorrow.2364:

6. The op has just started the topic dude, we are the ones which discuss about the matter. I really don’t care if the op is good or is bad if I think that what he said is right, also if it is said in the wrong manner. That is what you should do, discuss about what is wrong and what is fine, without taking into account the skills of whom started the topic because they just don’t matter.

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Then again, I survived 4 players on me at keep while afk posting that last post, then healed up and had my teammates arrive, at which point we killed them all and I’m now on a rampage. Add me and join :P Oh, and now the game finished, top glory…

^

Add wells and protection mastery when you lay down the wells.

Smackjack.5071:

Is that enough for you , are you sure you were focusing on anything other then this ?

Oh, wait. That is me saying that the topic isn’t about op’s skill! Wow!
And than there is you saying that the op’s skill is relevant to the subject of the topic, which is game balancing. LOL
So, all this is because you are saying that if the op was good, than the game would be unbalanced but, since the op is bad, the game is perfectly fine or there is no point to discuss about game balancing. Makes sense.

Mammoth.1975:

Then again, I survived 4 players on me at keep while afk posting that last post, then healed up and had my teammates arrive, at which point we killed them all and I’m now on a rampage. Add me and join :P Oh, and now the game finished, top glory…

lol

Mammoth.1975:

Smackjack.5071:

sorrow.2364:

Mammoth.1975:

How would you like to jump on a server right now and see? PM me.

You just need to enter in any sPvP/tPvP match, open fraps, record a video and put it on YouTube or to give me a video of someone’s else doing this. There is no need to let me jump in a server and wasting half an hour of my life to see something that probably won’t happen.

You are being offered the oportunity to see it live right there and there. You are offered evidence like this and you turn it down with THAT answer??

wow , just wow and how sad is that? :/

To be fair, he’s probably right. I won’t survive for a minute+ against 3 players if one or two of them are semi competent, but every now and then you get fights like the guys trying to take down that guard.

Well yeah of course. But it only takes one time to show how it can be be happen. Like in most videos complaining about how OP a elementalist is followed by a showing how someone is being schooled by one.

He only needs to see it once to get his proof that it is possible and because of a skilled player. but he already chickened out of the offer so we can all throw all his arguments out of the window from here on.

Smackjack.5071:

Mammoth.1975:

Smackjack.5071:

sorrow.2364:

Mammoth.1975:

How would you like to jump on a server right now and see? PM me.

You just need to enter in any sPvP/tPvP match, open fraps, record a video and put it on YouTube or to give me a video of someone’s else doing this. There is no need to let me jump in a server and wasting half an hour of my life to see something that probably won’t happen.

You are being offered the oportunity to see it live right there and there. You are offered evidence like this and you turn it down with THAT answer??

wow , just wow and how sad is that? :/

To be fair, he’s probably right. I won’t survive for a minute+ against 3 players if one or two of them are semi competent, but every now and then you get fights like the guys trying to take down that guard.

Well yeah of course. But it only takes one time to show how it can be be happen. Like in most videos complaining about how OP a elementalist is followed by a showing how someone is being schooled by one.

He only needs to see it once to get his proof that it is possible and because of a skilled player. but he already chickened out of the offer so we can all throw all his arguments out of the window from here on.

There is still the fact that none already posted that video.
Obviously I’m talking about sPvP/tPvP, don’t even try to post WvWvW kitten, like someone did to prove elementalists were good.

sorrow.2364:

Smackjack.5071:

Mammoth.1975:

Smackjack.5071:

sorrow.2364:

Mammoth.1975:

How would you like to jump on a server right now and see? PM me.

You just need to enter in any sPvP/tPvP match, open fraps, record a video and put it on YouTube or to give me a video of someone’s else doing this. There is no need to let me jump in a server and wasting half an hour of my life to see something that probably won’t happen.

You are being offered the oportunity to see it live right there and there. You are offered evidence like this and you turn it down with THAT answer??

wow , just wow and how sad is that? :/

To be fair, he’s probably right. I won’t survive for a minute+ against 3 players if one or two of them are semi competent, but every now and then you get fights like the guys trying to take down that guard.

Well yeah of course. But it only takes one time to show how it can be be happen. Like in most videos complaining about how OP a elementalist is followed by a showing how someone is being schooled by one.

He only needs to see it once to get his proof that it is possible and because of a skilled player. but he already chickened out of the offer so we can all throw all his arguments out of the window from here on.

There is still the fact that none already posted that video.
Obviously I’m talking about sPvP/tPvP, don’t even try to post WvWvW kitten, like someone did to prove elementalists were good.

You were already invited to a live match in SPVP , you declined in disbelief please, be quite lol.

sorrow.2364:

There is still the fact that none already posted that video.
Obviously I’m talking about sPvP/tPvP, don’t even try to post WvWvW kitten, like someone did to prove elementalists were good.

Add me, join.

If you guys are too sure of what you are saying, why you don’t post the video so everyone can know that I was wrong? What’s the point of inviting me to join instead of posting a video?
Please, what you are saying is just stupid. If you want I believe to what you say it is your care to post the proof, not mine to get it from you.
It’s like:
- “hey, I’ve seen the biggest rat in the world!”
- “have you a picture of it?”
- “no, I don’t but come here to see it”
- “but why don’t you take a picture of it?”
- “you just have to come here to see it! trust me, there is!”

Than no one have seen that rat, but everyone thinks that rat exsisted.
LOL

OP’s (and his team’s) skill is relevant to this discussion. In fact, it is inseparable. On the issue of the thief, am I the only one that noticed the majority of fights that ended in 2 seconds were when the OP was already at 50%? He demonstrated a lack of awareness regarding his surroundings and how bunkers play together with their team’s roamer. I’m just going to focus on this aspect to keep my post short.

OP displays a fundamental misunderstanding of the way the game is played (it’s not about winning your 1v1), as well as lack of skill with his class and inexperience dealing with the enemy’s builds and tactics (i’m not bashing him, it is just true).

There are two discussions that can be had: 1 is about how to play properly, and 2 is about which combinations of skills are too powerful. It’s impossible to talk about 2 if not everyone agrees on 1. Quick example being mesmer downed state tele+stealth+clone, everyone thought it was OP until they discovered how it really worked. I’ve not had a single problem with mesmer downed state once I understood how to play vs them.

At the clocktower, all it takes is a single knockback to push him off the side and you guys could have capped the point (or at minimum neutralizing it), without even wasting time trying to kill the guardian. Which, by the way, could have been done by 1 person.[edit: i don’t play necro, but you may even say that it was the op that could have single-handedly neutralized the node for his team if he had thought to fear the guardian off the point] No one had any cc. It appears everyone was not dealing a whole lot of damage either, and were in fact taking a great deal of it instead. Which is why I conclude that we have a case of everyone not being great players and being set up poorly for this situation. To say nothing of the repeated attempts by OP to solo the guardian which were simply ridiculous…

We can’t have a discussion about whether guardians are op (using this video) because we’ve not seen the OP play well. In other words to put it into an extreme context, if the OP stood around doing nothing of course he would lose. If the OP had done everything possible to win we might assume he would have won. OP is towards the beginning of this scale because it seems as if he is using skills randomly without much thought. We have little way of judging the guardian’s skill level. Maybe the guardian was simply a much better player. Maybe guardian is very OP and needs to be nerfed. It’s impossible to say. The only thing we can say is, the OP makes a poor case.

As Milo stated, while the video is not about the OP, the fact that he is giving his opinion on changes that should be made when he isn’t using the tools available to him in even a remotely correct fashion, then his opinion isn’t exactly valid.

You don’t need to do more than watch how he moves to know he is bad. In case that isn’t clear enough, you can see how he stands on point to fight a melee guardian 1 on 1 on a point the guardian controls and does not try to use range to his advantage or CCs to neutralize the point.

Look, no one likes being told that their opinion is meaningless, but when a player has an extremely limited understanding of how to play their own class, their opinions on the relative strength of other classes is pretty worthless.

If it’s all about skill, why doesn’t someone who considers themselves more experienced grow some balls like the OP and post a video show casing just how exactly they deal with these mechanics?

Everyone keeps bashing his play skills but not a single person has posted a video showing how “it should actually be done”. Any class but a Thief would be fine with me.

sorrow.2364:

Webley.1295:

poppin stealth on a corpse is kind of a waste anyway when theres other ways to do it and save stealth for combat

Cloak and Dagger -> Stomp

How can you waste a skill that has no cooldown?

Hey noob

Hope you are well

C&D cost 6 inititive. After bursting someone down you dont have this avaliable usually to use (Unless you spec away from damage and go for sustained initative)

The stealth stomper would have to stand around for a little bit to regen for C&D. Obviously thats what they do as its a good way of stomping, however its not as easily avaliable as you might think

A perfect Backstab/Steal combo can achieve this without loosing the initative, however that combo needs to be addressed even tho it does take considerable skill to pull off, its still insta gibby. CC breakers can now get you out of it. However you never want to break out of that situation. You want to prevent it which takes particular skill. However its a 1 button skill for me. Just blind the area with number 5 (For thief with pistol in the off hand) when you see the thief and wait for him to do the combo, it will all be wasted and he will go into retreat mode. Thats a 1 button prevention, and I also have a 1 button CC breaker if I get caught, but I must be quick at doing it

In one of your videos he cast Shadow Refuge which has around 45 sec CD but its possible to trait it down to 20% less. Thats still around a 30sec CD and can be better used in combat when stomping just involves a bit of blindness

Many a time have i used the shadow refuge stomp. and in a 1on1 it usually works without fail. Mind you, stomping someone 1on1 without shadow refuge is also usually the case with a bit of blindness as you already won the fight and that dude is on the ground. Otherwise if there are team mates around they know how to interrupt the area (Guardians for example) as shadow refuge gives it away

Other classes just Swing/AoE randomly above the corpse after they see someone vanish as its obvious what will happen next. In many cases the thief hasnt got enough health to survive that

I use Pistol/Pistol. I just blind the area when stomping and 90% of interrupts miss. Once you succeed in trying to nerf stealth stomping will you then try and nerf blindness stomping? Or will you L2P?

When you are a corpse… do you really expect nerfs so that you can get out of the downed state? Because at this stage you already lost the fight. Its always an up hill battle to get out of any downed state and should be expected. Honestly

As for bunker Guardians… Yes they hold points really well, thats what they do best.. You should be running them in your team also

The game is not as linear as your brain thinks it is. You need to get into the META as your falling behind and making pointless videos

shadow refuge has 60secs cd non traited.
what a waste of a utility skill to stomp someone.
you should be proud you worth it.

Merciless.5349:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1q8_702Cok

It’s just a little something I put together, showing what some of the classes do (Guardian, Thief, and Mesmer) and how they affect a tPvP match.

From watching this video there are some things I just want to say and these are my own opinions on the matter.

You seem to dislike the ability of the theif to stealth. Stealthing while finishing a downed player is a strategy as well as stealthing while rezing a downed player. Downed players can still do damage that can and will leave the other player open to your reinforcements. Secondly, theives may be annoying but they are glass cannons. Playing a glass cannon you are weak against burst damage. Their backstab skills while stealthed are difficult to pull off (unless their opponent stops moving). Any attack brings them out of stealth making it impossible to use backstab until they restealth.

The mesmer….was just bad….why did he use moa when you were at 30% health? That was a waste of an Elite that has a 3 minute timer and you weren’t even a legion Neco. Now i’ve been guilty of this before I learned to save it for a situation that absolutely needed it as it can either turn the tide or not (Same with all elite skills when utilized appropriately).

The Guardian….Hate to say it but necros are the bane of the guardians. Did you really think he wouldn’t have his friend come back him up? Question is…why didn’t you have a friend come back you up? The theif excells at taking down low health targets. They are the janitors of the PVP world. Your friend was pretty much already dead by the time that theif showed up (which to be honest is kinda sad when you are a necro against a bunker guardian who should be melting that guardian) all he had to do is focus you which with you being low on health wasn’t that hard to do.

Now from 90% of these posts that I read on here and I’ve read pretty much all of them. I see whine after whine about how difficult it is to take down a certain class. Yes it is frustrating when you get downed but to be honest..it will happen again and again…killing a player is not the primary goal of sPVP or tPVP. Keeping those points is.

People sit there and whine about having difficulty with certain classes but refuse to take the time to learn or take the advice offered on how to adapt your build and do better. Many just want to sit here and cry and have it handed to them on a silver platter. Sorry but maybe this game is not for you as you seem to lack the abilities required to adapt instead of refusing to adjust your build and learn how to better yourself. There really is no set skill rotation involved in this game. Its react and adapt. You win some and you lose some. From doing PVP in both aspects of this game I see many people that have a severe lack of understanding in game mechanics and they would rather sit here and whine rather than work for it. Its disgusting and shameful to see so many people that want instant gratification and not actually do any work.

Any good mesmer uses time warp because it’s a tide changer, Moa is just an annoyance. But in the upcoming 2 vs 2 or 3 vs 3 arenas, I can see Moa being of use in those.

The entire point in most of these posts in this thread is that the OP’s skill isn’t viable enough for his opinions to matter on what is overpowered and what needs to change. I think most of us are AWARE of his intentions and we all agree on the thief backstab issue, but this is something I never say on the forums or in game, but this is my first time saying it- it’s a L2P situation.

Chesire.9043:

If it’s all about skill, why doesn’t someone who considers themselves more experienced grow some balls like the OP and post a video show casing just how exactly they deal with these mechanics?

Everyone keeps bashing his play skills but not a single person has posted a video showing how “it should actually be done”. Any class but a Thief would be fine with me.

It’s been almost 20 hours since this statement, and all you hear are crickets in the background.

Arm chair quarterbacking is easy.

Targeting a player who is in Stealth who is about to down you is impossible (Single Target), which is why Finishing and Reviving while in Stealth should be looked at more closely.

Most Mesmers go in to Stealth and then cast Moa, for all those “pros” who like to say it’s easy to dodge. In the clip I provided, that specific Mesmer did not do that, but I could provide footage of a Mesmer in Stealth mode casting Moa, and you’d still hear cries of “l2p” “l2dodge”.

Bunker Guardians and Thieves dmg output is just redundant to talk about now, since so many other specific threads have been made about it.

The only difference between mine and most others is I provided video evidence. But obviously, that still isn’t enough for those who are in denial, or who consider themselves to be top tier players and are looking down at the rest of us mortals.

Of course I will learn to play. I am always learning. But so are you.

Now, because your specific class might not have trouble dealing with 1 or 2 things which I have specifically discussed in the video does not mean that the other 7 classes have it as easy as you.

As a Necro it hurts me to watch you play with that build man, you are kittening yourself. Unbind backpedal and just strafe while turning the camera, this gives you like twice the survivability against Thieves. Why are you running those two signets?

Necros only have one real build right now; ( http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fQAQRBIhhG1IjWoemmlGDnCQqA2TK4ecoH7erzRFQG;TwAg0CnowxgjAHLOOck4sCZUwmiJEA )

As a necro your auto attacks are garbage, never let your staff get that garbage hand attack out. Scepter auto is a little better cause of the conditions but only use it when nothing else is up. You should run in with staff up and blee/chill then get on top of them and wep. swap and drop both bleeding AoEs from scepter/dagger. Thats like 15 stacks of bleeding, pop BiP and watch people die.

I do respect you for posting a video though, I am not even sure how to use FRAPS.

In other words, everything I don’t like should be nerf, said the Necro. Most of what you have issues with seems to revolve around your hate for the Thief class. Get rid of stealth stomps? Really? lol Only if they get rid of all the other cheese ways to stomp, including stability.

I do respect you for posting a video though, I am not even sure how to use FRAPS.

You buy it and push the record button.

Teknobug.3782:

Smackjack.5071:

Teknobug.3782:

Hm I don’t remember DS working while in Moa, does it?

Your point being ?

What? I was asking a question, I was asking if DS can be casted while in MOA because I don’t remember.

And please enlighten us on how you gain health while in DS?

To answer this question ( if someone hasnt already). IF you are moa’d while you have DS active you will be moa’d in DS, and will use the DS lifebar before you actually get to your own.

So with good situational awareness and , well, using the skill, you can have a double hp bar in moa, and basically nullify its effects.

Chesire.9043:

If it’s all about skill, why doesn’t someone who considers themselves more experienced grow some balls like the OP and post a video show casing just how exactly they deal with these mechanics?

Everyone keeps bashing his play skills but not a single person has posted a video showing how “it should actually be done”. Any class but a Thief would be fine with me.

I dont know about finding these exact situations, but I can make a vid showing a team of tourny players both good and bad.

Do you have any free recording software ideas?
Ones that dont act like fraps and eat my fps -_-