Guild Wars 2

The Word limit may cause that u get a larger number of posts to go through. But it will on the other hand be easier to go through I Think.

My 3 (or 4) posta on the ranger is waiting for the thread to open!

Prolly too late for this round of CDI.
First I like the proposal here.
Maybe, for CDI-topics a new forum feature couldbe implied (most forum-software have such a function).

In CDI threads it is not allowed to make the same suggestion twice (so if someone else mentioned it, dont mention it again)
You can however rate each suggestion. You can pick from ‘Bad’ – ‘somewhat negative’ – Neutral’ – ‘Good sugestion’ – ‘Awesome, implement this now pls!!!’

This way, you don’t get that the suggestions keep going, but you can measure how important a single suggestion is to the community.

I’m in favor of this format for proposals. I think it pushes people toward the right way to suggest ideas: general, non-specific ideas about how to improve the systems.

If we get into the habit of micro-suggesting changes (Ranger shortbow autoattack after-cast too long, reduce by 0.25s), the CDI will miss its intended goal, I think.

Remember that, between the idea, design, implementing, testing, and finalization phases, all the specifics change. If you spend hours writing up a super-specific plan, even if ArenaNet loves it, tons of stuff will change about it before it hits the game. Higher-level ideas are a better use of your time, the CDI participants time, and ArenaNet’s time.

(The above is my opinion and, I assume, will upset many people. I still think that it’s true.)

mercury ranique.2170:

In CDI threads it is not allowed to make the same suggestion twice (so if someone else mentioned it, dont mention it again)

Demanding that everyone have read and compared every post to their own position before making their proposal is simply not a reasonable expectation.

I SERIOUSLY think we’re losing our grip on the casual nature of most CDI contributions & participants with just about everything said in this thread from the first post on.

More tips; less rules~

“Reading the entire thread will give you an advantage in presenting ideas that are likely to interest or resonate with the Developer hosting the thread, but is not expected or required. Being current will also help you sound awesome when discussing ideas with your peers .”

Nike.2631:

mercury ranique.2170:

In CDI threads it is not allowed to make the same suggestion twice (so if someone else mentioned it, dont mention it again)

Demanding that everyone have read and compared every post to their own position before making their proposal is simply not a reasonable expectation.

I SERIOUSLY think we’re losing our grip on the casual nature of most CDI contributions & participants with just about everything said in this thread from the first post on.

More tips; less rules~

“Reading the entire thread will give you an advantage in presenting ideas that are likely to interest or resonate with the Developer hosting the thread, but is not expected or required. Being current will also help you sound awesome when discussing ideas with your peers .”

While Id agree that talking about format and structure detracts from the casual nature of the effort, people need to realize that writing books and placing them in subsequent posts(multiple posts/pages), is not necessarily healthy for the discussion. I for one do not have the time to read those wall of texts and I cringe to believe that folks like Mr Whiteside have to read them in order to stay current.

People need to learn the art of brevity. It will serve well in many areas of your life, not just in this CDI discussion.

Two or three well written paragraphs(not 10 sentences each) is not too much to ask in order to convey a thought.

Yalora Istairiea.6287:

There are those of us (myself especially) who’s ideas on a subject tend to get very fleshed out in their description. And being restricted to 200 words presents a personal challenge.

Just to quantify. 200 words at an average of say 5 characters per word would make about 1000 characters per post. As I recall the limit on the forum for characters is ~5000. So posts maximum limit would only be about 1/5 the size of a standard forum limit.

Suggestion: Put a word counter along side of the text box so we can see how much space we have left to type, to close out our presentations.

Simply as a best practice, I suggest building your proposal in an outside tool and copying it in. It’s a lot less rushed, you have more tools, and the window size here is really cramped vertically, making it impossible to take in the shape of a larger text all in one glance. And again, the hope is proposals stick to one post/5,000 characters. There is no suggested word limit for them.

For discussion, I think 200 words is less an inflexible goal and more a reminder delivered in numerical form to stay on point while delivering your comments .

cesmode.4257:

While I’d agree that talking about format and structure detracts from the casual nature of the effort…

I think it borders on psychotic break with reality to think more than a fraction of the CDI contributors will give the things being put forward here any thought whatsoever before pressing ‘reply’, and that the people who are reading it are being unnecessarily stressed out by it . In essence we’re discouraging those people most interested in contributing in an orderly fashion.

…people need to realize that writing books and placing them in subsequent posts(multiple posts/pages), is not necessarily healthy for the discussion. I for one do not have the time to read those wall of texts and I cringe to believe that folks like Mr Whiteside have to read them in order to stay current.

People need to learn the art of brevity. It will serve well in many areas of your life, not just in this CDI discussion.

Two or three well written paragraphs(not 10 sentences each) is not too much to ask in order to convey a thought.

I agree with you about these goals in all aspects… except for the implementation being attempted here . Its an interesting attempt, but I think there’s exactly 0% chance we won’t be trying to rework this in the next CDI Evolution thread. This plan will not survive contact with it’s friends, much less the enemy .

Nike.2631:

cesmode.4257:

While I’d agree that talking about format and structure detracts from the casual nature of the effort…

I think it borders on psychotic break with reality to think more than a fraction of the CDI contributors will give the things being put forward here any thought whatsoever before pressing ‘reply’, and that the people who are reading it are being unnecessarily stressed out by it . In essence we’re discouraging those people most interested in contributing in an orderly fashion.

…people need to realize that writing books and placing them in subsequent posts(multiple posts/pages), is not necessarily healthy for the discussion. I for one do not have the time to read those wall of texts and I cringe to believe that folks like Mr Whiteside have to read them in order to stay current.

People need to learn the art of brevity. It will serve well in many areas of your life, not just in this CDI discussion.

Two or three well written paragraphs(not 10 sentences each) is not too much to ask in order to convey a thought.

I agree with you about these goals in all aspects… except for the implementation being attempted here . Its an interesting attempt, but I think there’s exactly 0% chance we won’t be trying to rework this in the next CDI Evolution thread. This plan will not survive contact with it’s friends, much less the enemy .

Im not sure I understand the last sentence.

Alternate plan to reduce wall of text spam replies;

All proposals must be at least 4,000 words long and cannot include a tl:dr.

That will simply stop half the people here from reading anything so thy cant reply to anything. MUWHAHAHA

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Hi Gulesave,

Sadly I will only be able to update the guidelines through bumps and links )-:

Chris

You can use Q/A mode, which always shows the first post as Q at the top of every page.

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Chris Whiteside.6102:

This post outlines a suggestion for how CDI members could format their ‘Proposals’ in CDI topics. It also puts forward a suggestion for general discussion post word counts.

Suggested Proposal Format:

Proposal Overview
<A short description of the proposal that is being put forward>

Goal of Proposal
<What problem are you trying to solve with your proposal>

Proposal Functionality
<How does your proposal work in regard in relation to the current design of GW2>

Associated Risks
<What risks or problems can you foresee with this proposal which you would like to have assistance on from other members of the CDI>

Please try to be as concise as feasible with your proposal. This however no suggested word count for proposal posts.

---

Discussion Posts

No suggested format.

Suggested Post Word Count:

200

I wanted to post this first before putting up the new CDI topics to get a quick read on your thoughts.

Chris

Updated with your feedback. Thanks.

Chris

Chris hi,

are you suggesting that I should post my 22 suggestions in 22 different posts? Are you sure?

Just to clarify: I regrouped my suggestions into paragraphs, each one concerning a different subject, I formatted them to be easy to read and to not exceed the 150 words lenght each (actually the only one exceeding is 169 words long).

“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.”
-Albert Einstein

You might be thinking:
My ideas are so good and important, I NEED more than 200 words.

Instead we should all be challenging ourselves this way:
If my ideas are TRULY good and important, I should be able to say them in under 200 words.

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Please try to be as concise as feasible with your proposal. This however no suggested word count for proposal posts.

Dave Pare.2069:

Chris hi,

are you suggesting that I should post my 22 suggestions in 22 different posts? Are you sure?

How does that correspond to “concise as feasible” in your mind?

Just to clarify: I regrouped my suggestions into paragraphs, each one concerning a different subject, I formatted them to be easy to read and to not exceed the 150 words lenght each (actually the only one exceeding is 169 words long).

They’re proposals, not commentary. The suggested limit of 200 words does not apply.

titanlectro.5029:

“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.”
-Albert Einstein

You might be thinking:
My ideas are so good and important, I NEED more than 200 words.

Instead we should all be challenging ourselves this way:
If my ideas are TRULY good and important, I should be able to say them in under 200 words.

my ideas involve specific weapon, trait, and skills changes, with proper rationale for everything. If I put all these proposed changes into one post, it would certainly exceed 200 words, by a lot, so I wont do that. Ill certainly break them up the best I can…

That being said, I applaud your optimism in supporting Anet’s proposed format for this topic, but at the same time, lets not ostracize those with well thought out, complex, lengthy and organized proposals, simply because it results in a “wall of text.” Anet is asking for specific, detailed responses, not floppy philosophical generalizations.

Chris Whiteside.6102:

This post outlines a suggestion for how CDI members could format their ‘Proposals’ in CDI topics. It also puts forward a suggestion for general discussion post word counts.

Suggested Proposal Format:

Proposal Overview
<A short description of the proposal that is being put forward>

Goal of Proposal
<What problem are you trying to solve with your proposal>

Proposal Functionality
<How does your proposal work in regard in relation to the current design of GW2>

Associated Risks
<What risks or problems can you foresee with this proposal which you would like to have assistance on from other members of the CDI>

Please try to be as concise as feasible with your proposal. This however no suggested word count for proposal posts.

---

Discussion Posts

No suggested format.

Suggested Post Word Count:

200

I wanted to post this first before putting up the new CDI topics to get a quick read on your thoughts.

Chris

how about we limit it to a 1 page proposal/suggestion per person and cut out quoting/replying entirely?

Nike.2631:

This plan will not survive contact with it’s friends, much less the enemy .

cesmode.4257:

Im not sure I understand the last sentence.

The goal is a more useable, more productive CDI process. The method proposed is driving away some of the people most interested in achieving that because they’re afraid that what would have been a good post/suggestion shouldn’t be offered at all because its not perfect, at least in terms of conforming to format. A few will be pushed out because what started as a conversation has turned into a formal, scheduled workgroup meeting, a series of power-point presentations without the benefit of slides. Meanwhile many people will ignore the suggested format (making it wasted effort) or be lead off the trail into the bushes by misunderstanding it (making it an outright negative in reaching the goal). A few will willfully pervert it, using it as cover for their own agenda’s or axe-grinding since it lends the appearance of legitimacy to posts entirely unrelated to the topic.

Zatoichi.1049:

titanlectro.5029:

“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.”
-Albert Einstein

You might be thinking:
My ideas are so good and important, I NEED more than 200 words.

Instead we should all be challenging ourselves this way:
If my ideas are TRULY good and important, I should be able to say them in under 200 words.

my ideas involve specific weapon, trait, and skills changes, with proper rationale for everything. If I put all these proposed changes into one post, it would certainly exceed 200 words, by a lot, so I wont do that. Ill certainly break them up the best I can…

That being said, I applaud your optimism in supporting Anet’s proposed format for this topic, but at the same time, lets not ostracize those with well thought out, complex, lengthy and organized proposals, simply because it results in a “wall of text.” Anet is asking for specific, detailed responses, not floppy philosophical generalizations.

A proposal can be well-thought out, complex, and organized without being lengthy. The reason we’re concerned about length is because of the huge number of 3-4 posts in a row, wall of text, no whitespace stream-of-consciousness posts by many people in the CDI.

Also: (caps because it’s important) PROPOSALS DO NOT HAVE WORD LIMITS. (But spoiler tags if it’s reallllly long might be good.)

Responses to proposals, the discussion posts, are where word limits are being suggested.

Zatoichi.1049:

my ideas involve specific weapon, trait, and skills changes, with proper rationale for everything. If I put all these proposed changes into one post, it would certainly exceed 200 words, by a lot, so I wont do that. Ill certainly break them up the best I can…

I want you to know that I am clawing at my eyes in frustration at reading this… and it’s not your fault.

Holy (*&#^@# that “200 words limit” needs to die in a fire at the bottom of a well, because seemingly NO ONE is able to read the suggested formatting and see that its a suggestion regarding THE DISCUSSION OF OTHER PEOPLE’S POSTS.

Nike.2631:

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Please try to be as concise as feasible with your proposal. This however no suggested word count for proposal posts.

Dave Pare.2069:

Chris hi,

are you suggesting that I should post my 22 suggestions in 22 different posts? Are you sure?

How does that correspond to “concise as feasible” in your mind?

It does not correspond, that’s why I was asking if it was preferable to regroup suggestions in one post, because it is not clear in the “guidelines”, at least not for me since I’m not english/american.

Just to clarify: I regrouped my suggestions into paragraphs, each one concerning a different subject, I formatted them to be easy to read and to not exceed the 150 words lenght each (actually the only one exceeding is 169 words long).

Nike.2631:

They’re proposals, not commentary. The suggested limit of 200 words does not apply.

I misunderstood the part of the word limits. I thought it was related to the suggestions, not the commentary. It actually made more sense in my mind.

Dave Pare.2069:

It does not correspond, that’s why I was asking if it was preferable to regroup suggestions in one post, because it is not clear in the “guidelines”, at least not for me since I’m not english/american.

Please forgive my exasperation, because you’ve actually done a superior job of both illustrating my point and of showing that people want to do the right thing.

I look forward to seeing your name again when the next round of threads opens . (Just not in the form of 22 separate posts!)

I misunderstood the part of the word limits. I thought it was related to the suggestions, not the commentary. It actually made more sense in my mind.

It’s all good. We have a few more hours to get this banged out. Maybe a full day. I’m just hoping Chris has the time to read this whole thread and digest it a little before signaling for launch.

Nike.2631:

Nike.2631:

This plan will not survive contact with it’s friends, much less the enemy .

cesmode.4257:

Im not sure I understand the last sentence.

The goal is a more useable, more productive CDI process. The method proposed is driving away some of the people most interested in achieving that because they’re afraid that what would have been a good post/suggestion shouldn’t be offered at all because its not perfect, at least in terms of conforming to format. A few will be pushed out because what started as a conversation has turned into a formal, scheduled workgroup meeting, a series of power-point presentations without the benefit of slides. Meanwhile many people will ignore the suggested format (making it wasted effort) or be lead off the trail into the bushes by misunderstanding it (making it an outright negative in reaching the goal). A few will willfully pervert it, using it as cover for their own agenda’s or axe-grinding since it lends the appearance of legitimacy to posts entirely unrelated to the topic.

Ahhh and here is my point exactly to limiting the number of words.

• Nike tried to make a point with 14 words.
• Of which cesmode did not get the gist.
• Nike then made a second post of 146 words to clarify the point.

Sorry I am not calling you two out but the example was perfectly timed

Nike.2631:

mercury ranique.2170:

In CDI threads it is not allowed to make the same suggestion twice (so if someone else mentioned it, dont mention it again)

Demanding that everyone have read and compared every post to their own position before making their proposal is simply not a reasonable expectation.

I SERIOUSLY think we’re losing our grip on the casual nature of most CDI contributions & participants with just about everything said in this thread from the first post on.

More tips; less rules~

“Reading the entire thread will give you an advantage in presenting ideas that are likely to interest or resonate with the Developer hosting the thread, but is not expected or required. Being current will also help you sound awesome when discussing ideas with your peers .”

First off all, when quoting someone, make sure you quote fully. You are pulling my entire earlier post out of context and that is atleast considered inpolite (and actuaslly im pretty agritated).

Second off all. Yes I do think that reading previous suggestions help a lot. This whole thread is bout preventing the long wall’s of text. Looking at the living story CDI, it happened that people kept repeating arguments that where talked through ages ago AND where the Dev’s had claimed atleast 10 times that they understand the concerns and told what they do with that feedback.

This kept the thread from evolving forward.
Every suggestion is important and welcome. This is something that we should see as well. Our own wall of text is not more important then yours. By reading through the previous posts you are showing that respect and you are showing you indeed have interest in it. the purpose of CDI is not to throw you critism on the table off the devs, but to participate in a process of giving feedback and workign together with the devs on solutions. proposal and reaction is important there, as well as the development. If subject a is closed it should be closed.

Also in my original post im also saying that you can support existing suggestions and you are encouraged to do so.

mercury ranique.2170:

First off all, when quoting someone, make sure you quote fully.

Not. Going. To. Happen.

If people want to see the full text, it’s hyperlinked right here in the quote header. I’m going to continue to assume that anyone who cares that much has either already read your post in full or will look it up. I decline to spam the boards with full quotes where I don’t feel they add to comprehension.

Feel free to ignore me. Or to have a conversation as the mood strikes you. But get over the notion that you’re going to dictate terms to me on how I post.

insanemaniac.2456:

Seera.5916:

One problem I forsee:

How do you want people to label which proposal they are responding to?

I have a feeling several people will likely have several different methods to solve several of the problems in the various topics.

How would I let readers know that I’m responding to A’s suggestion and not B’s?

Or responding to C’s discussion point on A’s suggestion?

perhaps with the quote button, like i just did

sorry, bit snarky, but i think youre reading too deep and diving into the shallow end…

But what happens 20 posts down the line if the post really strikes up a conversation? When you’re 3+ pages away from the initial post? And those quoted posts take up your word count (forum imposed).

I’m not so much worried about the first few responses to a post, they’ll be close enough to the original to figure it out. But once it’s not within a page or two and once people have to start snipping out quoted materials to keep their posts under the forum’s post limit, THAT is what I’m more referring to.

Nike.2631:

Feel free to ignore me. Or to have a conversation as the mood strikes you. But get over the notion that you’re going to dictate terms to me on how I post.

Nike, don’t take this too personally, but I’d like to call you out on this – there’s this attitude that permeates these forums that is some variation of:

“DON’T TELL ME HOW TO X” – play, post, farm, etc.

While I understand your feelings (and tend to agree with you), it seems slightly aggressive and we’d all do well to give each other a bit of leeway and forgiveness. Otherwise we’ll just constantly be sniping at each other.

(The irony of this post does not escape me.)

That said, I agree with Nike – snipping posts to include just the relevant text can help keep the mess down. I didn’t know that you could just click the name to jump to the full post, that’s a cool feature, and thanks for pointing it out.

Nike.2631:

mercury ranique.2170:

First off all, when quoting someone, make sure you quote fully.

Not. Going. To. Happen.

If people want to see the full text, it’s hyperlinked right here in the quote header. I’m going to continue to assume that anyone who cares that much has either already read your post in full or will look it up. I decline to spam the boards with full quotes where I don’t feel they add to comprehension.

Feel free to ignore me. Or to have a conversation as the mood strikes you. But get over the notion that you’re going to dictate terms to me on how I post.

Until you mentioned to me that the header was a clickable link, I was not aware that that was the case. There may very well be more people than me that are not aware of that feature.

But mercury does have a point.

If you cut out too much, you remove context. Someone who has not read the entire thread, might have missed that initial post and missed the context. And then respond incorrectly. There’s a sweet spot between only grabbing what is necessary and removing too much.

I do think that not too much was cut out of Nike’s post given what his complaint was. Having the entire post there or just that one line gives an impression that the poster wants people to read the entire thread (otherwise, how are you going to know if you’re suggestion has been made?).

Yes, most people are not going to read past the first few pages and possibly the last few pages. Nothing said or done can make people read a several page thread. Especially as it gets towards the end.

But all who wish to participate in the thread should do our bests to read as much of the thread as we can given the amount of time that we each have.

timmyf.1490:

Nike, don’t take this too personally, but I’d like to call you out on this – there’s this attitude that permeates these forums that is some variation of:

“DON’T TELL ME HOW TO X” – play, post, farm, etc.

I don’t take it personally at all . Have no doubt that I thought carefully before pressing ‘reply’ on my post. It was aggressive. But the fact is this ENTIRE THREAD is about adding more rules to an environment that already has been troubled by its restrictions. I’ve already had to argue the subject passionately and I feel like we’re going backwards.

(The irony of this post does not escape me.)

Good. That saves me the effort of making a snappy/snippy rejoinder .

Drat. Sorry. Reflex.

I didn’t know that you could just click the name to jump to the full post, that’s a cool feature, and thanks for pointing it out.

And another tip for the tutorial reveals itself .

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Hi All,

I am out of the office tomorrow and very busy today. Therefore I am going to set the CDI topic kickoff to roughly 12pm PST on Monday. This is because I, like all of us, want to be able to give the new topics the attention they are due as the return on investment is huge.

I am going to keep this thread open for as long as it is useful and as a note I have started to remove posts that are of topic so in regard to this feedback early in the thread we are making headway in this area.

Chris

Would this be the case for Ranger as well? postponed till monday?

timmyf.1490:

Zatoichi.1049:

titanlectro.5029:

“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.”
-Albert Einstein

You might be thinking:
My ideas are so good and important, I NEED more than 200 words.

Instead we should all be challenging ourselves this way:
If my ideas are TRULY good and important, I should be able to say them in under 200 words.

my ideas involve specific weapon, trait, and skills changes, with proper rationale for everything. If I put all these proposed changes into one post, it would certainly exceed 200 words, by a lot, so I wont do that. Ill certainly break them up the best I can…

That being said, I applaud your optimism in supporting Anet’s proposed format for this topic, but at the same time, lets not ostracize those with well thought out, complex, lengthy and organized proposals, simply because it results in a “wall of text.” Anet is asking for specific, detailed responses, not floppy philosophical generalizations.

A proposal can be well-thought out, complex, and organized without being lengthy. The reason we’re concerned about length is because of the huge number of 3-4 posts in a row, wall of text, no whitespace stream-of-consciousness posts by many people in the CDI.

Also: (caps because it’s important) PROPOSALS DO NOT HAVE WORD LIMITS. (But spoiler tags if it’s reallllly long might be good.)

Responses to proposals, the discussion posts, are where word limits are being suggested.

ah thanks for pointing that out for me. You are correct about the limit on RESPONSE posts. Goo to know

I do however stand by my defense of “walls of text” in general. I actually agree with you 100%, I myself feel like shorter can be impactful and efficient, but I would rather see everyone comfortable with their preferred method of expression, be it short and sweet, or lengthy and involved. This is an important topic and I don’t want anyone to feel restricted. I think its best for people to just keep the formatting/length suggestion in mind, but know its not set in stone. I’m already predicting people being called out for bypassing it once we go live, and that can lead to negativity, something we need to make sure doesn’t make its way into the discussion.

postponed 3 times already

As a side note, if anybody has an idea but wants some editing help or opinions on it before they post to the thread, I’d bet there’s tons of people (myself included) who would be willing to provide feedback.

I run some of my ideas through friends and guild members and find their feedback incredibly useful.

You’re welcome to PM me if you want my two cents.

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Asko.4120:

postponed 3 times already

Hi Asko,

There is no point in the CDI if the members of it are unable to give it the attention it is due. We make a live game and thus ‘things’ come up. Thank you for your patience and I to am looking forward to being able to giving my full attention to the next set of topics.

Chris

I’m both sad and happy that it is postponed – Sad because I look forward to it, happy because it might means we’ll have true discussion. Plus, if a topic owner isn’t working on week-ends, better to launch it on a Monday.

Thanks for the heads up!

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Hi Asko,

There is no point in the CDI if the members of it are unable to give it the attention it is due. We make a live game and thus ‘things’ come up. Thank you for your patience and I to am looking forward to being able to giving my full attention to the next set of topics.

Chris

Chris,

I do not pretend to know your schedule, however, since things typically come up on patch week (that I can tell) would it be a good idea to have a policy of starting CDIs on weeks there is not a patch?

Chidori.9483:

I do not pretend to know your schedule, however, since things typically come up on patch week (that I can tell) would it be a good idea to have a policy of starting CDIs on weeks there is not a patch?

Chris Whiteside.6102:

That is indeed a good idea. Patch weeks and the beginning of the year (-:

That might work out very well with the idea of having the threads run around 2 weeks.

Patches and CDIs on alternating Tuesdays. Two full weekends snared in each cycle.

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Asko.4120:

postponed 3 times already

Hi Asko,

There is no point in the CDI if the members of it are unable to give it the attention it is due. We make a live game and thus ‘things’ come up. Thank you for your patience and I to am looking forward to being able to giving my full attention to the next set of topics.

Chris

Hi Chris,

yeah I understand that things can be hectic in the office at times, it is just that I’m a fractal enthusiast and really looking forward to discussing improving the Fractals See you on Monday!

I think using the format will make up-voting more valuable a metric. Perhaps a note encouraging up-voting proposals before or instead of posting.

The format may increases the opportunity to engage in quote combat. Perhaps quote combat is grounds for post removal.

The format will also speed up the discovery of good ideas. Will we continue to use a summary every 3 pages and if so, who is responsible for compiling? The players or the development team?

Thank you

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Asko.4120:

postponed 3 times already

Hi Asko,

There is no point in the CDI if the members of it are unable to give it the attention it is due. We make a live game and thus ‘things’ come up. Thank you for your patience and I to am looking forward to being able to giving my full attention to the next set of topics.

Chris

^^ This is so true. For those who weren’t part of the previous WvW CDI discussions, trust me on this…. it is way better to delay a CDI than to launch it and then have virtually no ANET representation. Done correctly, CDI is very valuable.

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Hi Psientist,

We should definitely continue to do summaries. As to who does it that’s a good question which we could explore here in this thread? I am happy to do it, but I know that there are members of the CDI who really like doing it to.

Chris

As far as I’m concerned, go ahead Chris.

If you can keep up with the thread, reply and summarize, that’d be great. But if that proves to be problematic, don’t be afraid to ask for help.

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Psientist.6437:

I think using the format will make up-voting more valuable a metric. Perhaps a note encouraging up-voting proposals before or instead of posting.

The format may increases the opportunity to engage in quote combat. Perhaps quote combat is grounds for post removal.

The format will also speed up the discovery of good ideas. Will we continue to use a summary every 3 pages and if so, who is responsible for compiling? The players or the development team?

Thank you

Hi Psientist,

We should definitely continue to do summaries. As to who does it that’s a good question which we could explore here in this thread? I am happy to do it, but I know that there are members of the CDI who really like doing it to.

Chris

The summaries are excellent, but there are times where 2 ppl will summarise one after each other. Worth the people who have been doing the good work coordinate either here or via pms and divide up between the threads. Or leave it as it was. Too much summary isn’t actually an issue, it’s more about their own workload really.

I think the responsibility of summary should tend to fall towards the owner of the thread. Maintaining an unbiased summary is work and demonstrates a commitment to the topic.

Perhaps the format could be used as a template for the summary and adjusted if needed.

Psientist.6437:

I think the responsibility of summary should tend to fall towards the owner of the thread. Maintaining an unbiased summary is work and demonstrates a commitment to the topic.

The downside is ‘Proposals to forward to the ArenaNet team’ constructed by Devs have been misconstrued in the media as definite plans of action. Sort of a super-early “what’s coming soon for GuildWars 2” when that is most definitely not the case.

Having tried it once and collaborated on a second attempt, I certainly agree its work. I don’t think the unbiased part is all that difficult – you don’t have to agree with an idea to record it faithfully. Hitting the right micro/macro tone is the part that’s proven… let’s call it "challenging"’… for me .

-The- summary should most definitely be done by Chris to keep it “unbiased”.
If other people make summaries, they may be biased in a way that favors their opinion and that isn’t desireable. The reason most people post here is to get their idea published. It would then be in their interest to gain favor for it.
It would be in Chris’ interest to gather the essence of it and to show what people really think. As such it is Chris who is the most fitting to make the summaries.
Yes it is extra work, but they would be unbiased.

Not saying that no posters could make unbiased posts. But the one reading the summary would not be sure if it’s biased or not unless the poster of the summary has an interest in being unbiased and the reader knows that.