Guild Wars 2

Remember when Anet said they were gonna look into it when the precursors hit the 300 gold mark a few months back ?

Remember when they said the same thing when they it the 600 gold mark ?

Well, The legend is now listed at 1300 gold, Dusk at 1000 gold, good job Anet, no communication about what you are planning to do as usual.

You want a legendary weapon people ? well, move along cause it’s not gonna happen.

I’m just going to wait until a Dev dares post here and say the now famous sentences they post in every single thread regarding any aspect of the game (looking at you wvw)

“we’re looking into this”
“Soon you will see something coming up”
“just wait some more”
“we are aware of the situation”
“we are concerned too”
“we have big plans for the future”

Well, the same crap we’ve been hearing for what… 8/9 months now ?
The game is one year old, wake up.

The price depends on the players, what do you want the devs to do? Create a couple Dusks from nothing and list them at a price you like? Twilight is one of the most sought after legendaries so naturally the price is higher. I bought my Colossus with 450g a couple of months ago and it still seems to be around that price.

I’m pretty sure the price will go back to where it was pretty quick when no one buys them with the current prices. The dude who bought them all and re-listed is gonna be a sad panda.

What we want the devs to do (and not ME alone, just look at the pletora of threads regarding this issues for the past year) is adress the questions that has been asked, and asked again for the past 9 months, either increase the drop rate / forge % or come up with the scavenger hunt they’ve been talking about for … yeah, also 9 months.

this thread has the sole purpose of making them notice this is getting out of hands… again, so we can have an answer to our questions.

But of course i doubt any of them will touch this subject, as usual.

Some precursors are overpriced right now. It’s OK, it’s solely because there’s too much coin in the economy right now. Let people blow all their turbogrind earnings on precursors for a few weeks to make the economy healthy again.

lol………………..

there was 19 dusk on the market few days ago.. and it was gone the next day.. then this happens.. lolll….

You’d think there would be a huge rise of them considering the amount of people farming massive mobs for the last 3 weeks?

But no, they’re all gone and inflated now ._.

Charak.9761:

You’d think there would be a huge rise of them considering the amount of people farming massive mobs for the last 3 weeks?

But no, they’re all gone and inflated now ._.

No. Just no.

It’s more than obvious that the amount of gold, that’s getting swapped into the game through the last 2 events, is a lot higher than the amount of Precursors getting created either through drops or rewards from chests.

I think most gold created came through the gauntlet. And the gauntlet doesn’t yield any drops. So there isn’t even a chance to create a precursor there. On the other hand you can easily make a few hundred gold per day.

Ectos got up by at least 25% of their old value, the same happened to Dusk and Legend and a lot more items will follow if the people decide to make use of the insane amount of gold they made due to the events.

People laughed at me when I told them that exactly this thing will happen…well, there you go…

The rise in price seems to have been more due to the announcement that legendaries are getting upgraded next patch, both in effects as well as in stats/convenience.

It definitely looks like some of the richer people are doing a buy and relist.

This isn’t the first time precursors have been bought and relisted to 1000g+. If people are not willing to pay it will come back down to the 400-700g range.

If you don’t want to pay up for a precursor then you don’t deserve it.

You may want to buy it for a 10 silver but when someone else out there is willing to pay thousands more than you, then why should I sell it to you?

If you don’t want to pay 1000g, don’t. It really is just that simple.

If the players feel that 1000g is too high, those listings will never sell and the seller will take losses from multiple listing fees. If the players feel that 1000g is about right, then you are too poor to afford the Precursor and need to work on saving up or move on to something else. That’s how economies work.

it is market manipulation, pure and simple. You pay up, you are a bigger fool

The market is being manipulated. Did you notice that The Legend has only a quantity of 2 on the TP? I can put Dusk on the TP for 5k but that doesn’t mean the price really rose to that. Always look at the quantity with the price.

The point is that having precursors cost 700g+ goes against the standards that this game was made by. GW2 was advertised as an alternative to the stale mob grinding MMOs of the past and a player should not be forced to grind cash for weeks in order to afford a legendary.

Here are some possible solutions:

1. Increase the drop rate and/or forge rate on precursors.
2. Develop the scavenger hunt that was talked about previously.
3. Introduce a lot more legendaries and precursors. (The current skins kinda suck anyway, but that’s another issue.)

What the farmer wanted, the farmer eventually got. Heaps of ways to make gold to afford luxury items that were originally listed on the TP by either lucky people or gold sellers. Once the market is devoid of all the high end stuff thanks to the ‘newly-rich’ snaffling up the goods, it’s a clean slate upon which to put prices as high as the seller likes, knowing full well from the selling of the previous stock that it won’t last long on the TP.

Baby.1405’s post and attachment is the classic example.

I recall ANet were saying months ago that the prices for these high end items were going to be monitored and intervened with if necessary back when precursors were 300g, but they just kept going up. I know there’s not a lot of people that really care about how they got their legendary (either bought in full from TP, bought precursor, etc.) but to me the only thing legendary about these items is the amount of cash sunk into them. So much for a legendary being about prestige…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/crafting/The-community-s-call-for-help-Precursors/first
We had a big thread about that topic a while ago. And before that. And before that. They just keep ignoring us.

Buttercup.5871:

Let people blow all their turbogrind earnings on precursors for a few weeks to make the economy healthy again.

That Gold doesn’t just get launched into the sun where it’s incinerated…. no infact it’s obviously going straight into the pockets of manipulators who could potentially do much worse things with it just to make a point….

I don’t really have an opinion on the Precursors or their drop rates. …just pointing out that buying stuff on the TP doesn’t just dissipate all the inflation that’s been building. If anything it’s just causing a vicious cycle of more inflation for inflation’s sake.

They have indicated that precursors are planned to be obtainable through other means (i.e. crafting, gathering stuff, “scavenger hunt”), and for all we know that will come out within the next few updates. If it does, the price of precursors may drop significantly.

I was debating buying my precursor sometime soon (only thing that has prevented me from getting my legendary for awhile now), but I think it’ll just be better to hold off and use my cash for other things that I need

So they have indicated that something is planned and that it will come out within the next few updates. Yeah. It’s like someone was saying that somewhere someday something will happen. We need a statement like “we will do THIS in THAT update”. Everything else is useless.

Also, who are you to say the price of precursors will drop when they become craftable? By all we know they could require 750 lodestones and 1000 T6 mats to create.

After several thousand (15.000-20.000) attempts in the last week I am very convinced that the upgrade rate from rate to exotic in the MF was lowered.
Source: gambling runes. Tons of them.

For all you guys banking on crafting, scavenger hunting, or some other form of way to get a precursor, I wouldn’t hold your breath and I sure in hell wouldn’t think it will be any easier than mindless grinding for a couple weeks. Do you really think they are gonna implement some system that will give you a precursor in 1 week or so? You’re dreaming.

And also if they do make precursors easier to get by a big margin, think of the whining people will do when T6 mats all of a sudden take off to 50s+ each since the demand will be so high.

Regardless of how you look at it, somewhere down the line of requirements for a legendary, there will be a bottleneck. now whether that bottleneck is in the form of 500g at once(precursor) or 125g spread out among 250 items(a stack of T6 mats), there will be a bottleneck. My personally i’d rather just have to spend a big chunk at once on 1 item rather than 125g x 6 for T6 mats cause of the huge demand of them cause precursors were given out like candy on a quest.

I guess the difference is that t6 mats can be grindet and precursers not (If you dont consider grinding gold grinding a precurser). But I dont know nothing about that. I simply buy everything I need as soon as I have the 200 Skillpoints, the Clovers and the Shards and I dont think the possible price changes in anything would change that.

Sorry no market manipulation, just people buying precursors with all the gold they earned from the insane amount of inflation we’ve seen this past month.

Proof: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/Dusk-sold-out-1-Left/first

Thats just a worksheet with numbers and headers. Not a proof.

Zumy.6318:

Thats just a worksheet with numbers and headers. Not a proof.

We can choose to believe in the tin-foil posters here on the forums, or we can choose to look at the hard data provided by the game’s economists.

The same economist that wrote there would be no players with 350k gold?
I stopped believing everything he says when he stated that.
I personally know 2 people in the hundreds of thousands of gold. Not even counting all their current investments.

As I said: Thats just a worksheet with numbers and headers. Not a proof.

Zumy.6318:

The same economist that wrote there would be no players with 350k gold?
I stopped believing everything he says when he stated that.
I personally know 2 people in the hundreds of thousands of gold. Not even counting all their current investments.

As I said: Thats just a worksheet with numbers and headers. Not a proof.

Did they send you full screenshots of their inventory? I’m a rich player with +4000G in liquid assets, but nothing is stopping me from overexaggerating and telling everyone that I have over +100,000G

Tom Gore.4035:

Also, who are you to say the price of precursors will drop when they become craftable? By all we know they could require 750 lodestones and 1000 T6 mats to create.

more expensive than legendary? lol you gotta be kidding me

They will make precursors craftable soon. The problem will be addressed then.

Vol.5241:

Zumy.6318:

The same economist that wrote there would be no players with 350k gold?
I stopped believing everything he says when he stated that.
I personally know 2 people in the hundreds of thousands of gold. Not even counting all their current investments.

As I said: Thats just a worksheet with numbers and headers. Not a proof.

Did they send you full screenshots of their inventory? I’m a rich player with +4000G in liquid assets, but nothing is stopping me from overexaggerating and telling everyone that I have over +100,000G

Lol, I have 16k and dont even try to do big speculations, just the safe ones lie quartz, settlertrinkets, desert roses, etc.. And that sure isnt rich at all. Wealthy maybe.

I have known those guys for years now and they had a good laugh at that statement.

Hell Avenger.7021:

Tom Gore.4035:

Also, who are you to say the price of precursors will drop when they become craftable? By all we know they could require 750 lodestones and 1000 T6 mats to create.

more expensive than legendary? lol you gotta be kidding me

Last time I checked every legendary requires at least 2000 T6 mats, obviously lodestones are not required for most of them, but check the non-legendary Mjölnir and you can see the craftable precursors might end up costing a lot more than what some of them are going for today.

But I’m even better since I have 16,5k gold.

Vol.5241:

Zumy.6318:

The same economist that wrote there would be no players with 350k gold?
I stopped believing everything he says when he stated that.
I personally know 2 people in the hundreds of thousands of gold. Not even counting all their current investments.

As I said: Thats just a worksheet with numbers and headers. Not a proof.

Did they send you full screenshots of their inventory? I’m a rich player with +4000G in liquid assets, but nothing is stopping me from overexaggerating and telling everyone that I have over +100,000G

people posted pics and vids….
The sad part is most people have dozen thousands golds and some hundred thousads invested that aren t even counted.

Economy is messed up but since they don t look at how wealth is distributed they feel fine….

Biglulu.3928:

They will make precursors craftable soon. The problem will be addressed then.

I really don’t see a huge problem other than there should be 2 ways to earn a precursor. The quick way which is to play nonstop and grind gold to buy one and the long way which would involve a huge LONG quest chain/crafting process that takes 2-3 months to finish to get one. The prices are high, I will agree to that but really it’s reflected by what people will pay. If no one paid 500g for a precursor, then the sellers would be forced to drop the prices or sit em forever.

I only see dusk and the legend sitting at 800-1000g for a couple weeks or shortly after the patch since I really doubt anyone will pay those prices so the sellers will be forced to lower it or be undercut by others or not sell at all cause people are getting their orders filled. You all realize I hope that the listed price is not really the going rate. If you put in a buy order that is reasonable, it will usually get filled. I got my order for dawn filled at 470g when they were selling for 520g and I got my colossus order filled at 475g when they were 500g.

As far as the cost for a precursor goes, I really don’t see 500g as outrageous since it is the best in slot and always will be. The real killer is all the other mats you need which totaled are more than the precursor.

To all the people who have put hours into farming, just looking for the gold, the answer is clear. There is always someone who farms for longer than you. If you’re making a lot a money from a new events then someone else is making more money from that event. Precursors are not about having money, they are about having more money then everyone else (who wants a legendary) and the market rate is set by those with the most money. Legendaries are the most inaccessible items in the game and yet people still think they are entitled to them if they spend their limited game time chasing gold, when they could be doing something fun instead.

The people who lose out the most are actually people like me who have accumulated money through a year’s game play rather than farming. The farmers who have accumulated hundreds of gold over the queen’s jubilee have pushed the price of legendaries way out of my reach, again. Thankfully, I don’t care a great deal.

The balance for the high price of precursors is the mystic forge.

Ironically, I had my first precursor drop DURING my gold farming this last week.

Some piddling little Aetherblade thug had Storm in his pocket. Not even a champ. Just a veteran caught in the buzzsaw-maelstrom of me proving they should be way more afraid of me than they are of Scarlet .

Biglulu.3928:

They will make precursors craftable soon. The problem will be addressed then.

Yes, I completely agree, the problem of players being able to craft legendaries is on its way to being fixed.

My prediction: Players will do amazing new content to get amazing new crafting materials, then sell them to grab their precursor from TP.

To avoid an empty rage post, here is my idea: The idea behind legendaries was that youll need to do participate in all aspects of the game to earn one, thus the need of badges, dungeon marks, karma and skill points and not just gold. But you could easily get all those by the standard gw2 method: grinding. To avoid it, rather than time delay on making the mats, make a category of legendary achievements, lets say 10-15, from all corners of the game, and upon completing all of them, they all reset and you get one precursor claim ticket.

Here is the deal. Suck it up. Not everybody can have a legendary. If every person could afford to get a legendary, they would no longer be unique or a desirable item. It took me 8 months to craft mine after I decided to get one. I just got it a couple of weeks ago. It’s a long process.

The market is controlled by a few guys who were able to get the precursors back when they were cheap, and there is nothing Anet can do about other than just giving precursors away. All this QQing wont help you find/buy a precursor.

Now go enjoy the game.

Biglulu.3928:

They will make precursors craftable soon. The problem will be addressed then.

I would like to know when….. since they announced changes to legendaries but no changes on how precursor will be obtainable.
And its a kitten joke cause there are only few of each on TP, like 9 dusk, 5 the legend, 4 zap, when they are sold how should we be able to get them ? Should we wait for it to drop ? on a 0.000000000[……]0001 % chance to happen ?

legendaries should be something that a player gets when completing some challenge, not just an immense amount of farming, and an even much more immense amount of luck !

I speculate the following:

1. They add it to crafting at a later time (unlikely).

2. It is a mystic forge recipe but requires a large number of T7 Materials from different crafting professions (some of which aren’t at 500 yet).

cuge.5398:

Biglulu.3928:

They will make precursors craftable soon. The problem will be addressed then.

I would like to know when….. since they announced changes to legendaries but no changes on how precursor will be obtainable.
And its a kitten joke cause there are only few of each on TP, like 9 dusk, 5 the legend, 4 zap, when they are sold how should we be able to get them ? Should we wait for it to drop ? on a 0.000000000[……]0001 % chance to happen ?

legendaries should be something that a player gets when completing some challenge, not just an immense amount of farming, and an even much more immense amount of luck !

i agree with this, just like with some of the rarer weapons in the first game, precursors are only owned by either the lucky or the rich, id rather work for mine using challenges, eg scavenger hunt, i think it’d be awesome if the same guy who sold pact weapons after killing zhaitan also gave out a precursor part (it would either need a seperate token or none at all seeing how most already spent it on some other weapon and would be annoyed)

cuge.5398:

Biglulu.3928:

They will make precursors craftable soon. The problem will be addressed then.

I would like to know when….. since they announced changes to legendaries but no changes on how precursor will be obtainable.
And its a kitten joke cause there are only few of each on TP, like 9 dusk, 5 the legend, 4 zap, when they are sold how should we be able to get them ? Should we wait for it to drop ? on a 0.000000000[……]0001 % chance to happen ?

legendaries should be something that a player gets when completing some challenge, not just an immense amount of farming, and an even much more immense amount of luck !

Well on that Twitch.tv talk with Lindsey Murdock today, she said something to the effect of it’s in the works but that is all they can say. So whenever that is. Basically if you can’t afford a precursor now, then don’t expect to buy one anytime in the near future unless you get lucky cause they will prolly just continue to rise as more gold is injected into the economy.

Noerknhar.3826:

So they have indicated that something is planned and that it will come out within the next few updates. Yeah. It’s like someone was saying that somewhere someday something will happen. We need a statement like “we will do THIS in THAT update”. Everything else is useless.

I know it’s kinda lame to revive an old thread, especially by quoting myself, but anyways – NOTHING happened here, precursors are rising AGAIN. If you aren’t lucky to get one or if you aren’t playing the TP or if you aren’t mindlessly farming the hell out of your free time, there is NO chance to get a legendary atm. It’s just ridiculous.

I would prefer if precursors stayed expensive. If I find one as drop I could make easy money that way – nice thing for people that need money and don’t like to farm and don’t want to pay real money a lot. Of course you’d need to be lucky. Would be bad for newer players that did not have this chance anymore when some people got 5-6 precursors as drop and sold them and got easy money.

If they really make crafting I’d like to have it possible to upgrade that “mystic weapons” which alsready use a skill point item which are crafted at mystic forge – maybe in combination with something ascended because ascended gear is prelevel to legendary. Those mystic weapons atm are exotic. Could be upgraded to ascended precursor(make precursor ascended then and remove it from loot).

Charak.9761:

You’d think there would be a huge rise of them considering the amount of people farming massive mobs for the last 3 weeks?

But no, they’re all gone and inflated now ._.

only some of them

there are precursors currently selling for as little as 50g (torch) and a bunch more not much more than that.

Precursor crafting is a very complicated problem because they have to find a way to implement it without destroying the economy or making legendaries too common. Considering the next feature update is in march this will be the earliest you will see this happen. Wait another 3 months then necro the thread again

I’ve gotten 3 precursors and still can’t afford twilight

Im at all pieces and only need dusk, but 900g is just stupid now.

As people get more money, and coin is devalued, prices are gonna go up. Simple market economy law.

Heta.8629:

Precursor crafting is a very complicated problem because they have to find a way to implement it without destroying the economy or making legendaries too common. Considering the next feature update is in march this will be the earliest you will see this happen. Wait another 3 months then necro the thread again

You are assuming the Precursors that we can craft will be EXISTING ones…..ANet has never stated that (only that SOME Precursors will be craftable). There are plenty of ways they can go with this and they will likely make every attempt to maintain the existing Legendary weapons as rarity items.

As I have stated before, Precursors (and completed Legendary weapons) should NEVER have been sellable on the TP. There is nothing “Legendary” about buying Excalibur in a Bazaar…..

Brother Grimm.5176:

There is nothing “Legendary” about buying Excalibur in a Bazaar…..

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