Yesterday I joined a AC P1+3 run. LFG message was “EXP only 80 6k+ap zerk”. I have this all and hoped to have 2 very quick runs so i can do some more dungeons at one evening.
Well spider queen went down easy… Gravelings died pretty slow… Kholer… 4 complete whipes….
I left because everyone was accusing eachother and i joined another group. “need exp and 80 please”. I joined and found myself in a group with a lvl 36, 43, 66 and 71. I thought with myself, lets see how this goes and if they fail i can Always leave. Ended up being a perfect clean run with no deads and everyone knowing what to do!! I didn’t time the runs but ended up completing all 3 paths (instead of 2) within 1 hour!!!
Im not saying proud of 1 hour AC. i was more reffering to 5 zerk 80’s fail at kholer and 4 not 80’s + 1 80 can do it.. In my vision those zerkers should not be proud.
And within 1 hour means <60 minutes so can also be 45 minutes…
You are clearly missing the greatest opportunity a warrior has; sword/warhorn + sword/sheild. The warhorn allows for maximum cheerleading and the sword/sheild ensures that you make it there quickly and in style.
As a casual Elitist. I approve of play how you want. I don’t care if you are running a full tank no dps build as long as you can listen to me telling you where to stack, cause my thief and my ele fgs dispenser friend will pretty much melt anything. So sit back and don’t pick up that FGS for the love of god.
At that point I told them they were all idiots because what’s the point of running 4 Warriors + Mesmer if you’re going to waste so much time due to your inflated ego.
That sounds about right. People wasting time being picky to “save” time often take longer. That’s why you only see Zerker posts on the LFG – because the non-zerk only fill up nigh on instant and are already 3/4 through the dungeon before the Zerkers even fill up.
I know some player’s would rather a longer preparation time and do the dungeon quicker – because they find “quick” dungeon fun – but players need to use their sense. You’re never getting a true speedrun in a PUG, so why try? Just take anybody that isn’t using junk Bearbow or AH Guard.
I agree with what your saying and especially in CoF you don’t need damage BUT the amount of times I’ve just looked for normal groups and got pure stupidity is staggering I post SC Zerk Exp not for the increased group dps but because more often then not that gets competent players.
About a week ago, I joined one of these groups for CoF p1. Stuff melts quickly enough, but just as we’re just about the finish the 2nd “bossfight” the thief asks for one of the warriors to show his gear. The warrior (not being affiliated in anyway to me) links cleric gear.
When we finally arrive at the last boss and get him down to 5% hp (with the thief being dead from the start, like any other fight), the thief decides to votekick the warrior in cleric gear. Someone quickly followed with a yesvote, from what I can only guess was a guildmate of his.
I play full zerker, it’s what and how I choose to play. I stick to groups that follow the same mentality, but when you’re that far into an instance, who cares anymore? Especially when it’s CoF P1? I’m not sure if I should bother with going any further with this, with contacting support, but it’s simply rotten behavior that should not be tolerated.
Yeah i know that i shouldn’t have done that… i just got so mad at that guy, and didn’t think clearly. so i got my friend to accept the kick, wasn’t my proudest moment, but PLEASE if you use the LFG tool join the right group… if you are a regen warrior, don’t join a full berserker group. In a way that is LFG abuse too! since you take advantage of a group that can do it fast but you slow them down. (btw i am Thebatmanthief (yes i know it is a really bad name))
I don’t see anything bad about the kick. I do the same, although I usually check people’s brains before entering the dungeon.
And when I’m doing like AC p3, advertising ‘4 free spots, at boss, berserker only (preferably ascended) with meta runes’ and getting some guys that are telling me where to stack , although they might be using kitten gear (often refusing to ping), I would rather leave and destroy the dungeon than getting those kitteneds a free reward.
If you kick a party member at the final boss when it’s ~5% health because of gear choices (or really at all), you should just be flatout banned. It’s your (petulant, infantile and whiny) choice to kick people because their gear stats may make the dungeon take ten seconds longer but to do it after benefiting from their time and effort to complete the dungeon is disgusting.
I don’t see anything bad about the kick. I do the same, although I usually check people’s brains before entering the dungeon.
And when I’m doing like AC p3, advertising ‘4 free spots, at boss, berserker only (preferably ascended) with meta runes’ and getting some guys that are telling me where to stack , although they might be using kitten gear (often refusing to ping), I would rather leave and destroy the dungeon than getting those kitteneds a free reward.
Lol stacking for AC p3 Boss, that is so 2013, it literally takes 10 seconds to kill it in the middle of the room with no elementalist if people are running meta build with half decent brain.
I’d have to agree with the idea that it was stupid. The point seems more that all they needed was some guy who could stand in a brazier for 5-10 seconds and then deal at least some good DPS on the effigy. And spending 5 minutes getting a group just to clear a dungeon that anyone who’s ran it twice knows like the back of their hand just to save a less time than that with a “Perfect run” is a net time loss.
If people who kick someone at the last boss because he was willingly not fitting the requirement deserves a ban, the guy joining without fitting the description deserves that too.
Yeah i know that i shouldn’t have done that… i just got so mad at that guy, and didn’t think clearly. so i got my friend to accept the kick, wasn’t my proudest moment, but PLEASE if you use the LFG tool join the right group… if you are a regen warrior, don’t join a full berserker group. In a way that is LFG abuse too! since you take advantage of a group that can do it fast but you slow them down. (btw i am Thebatmanthief (yes i know it is a really bad name))
It’s funny that you were “so mad that you didn’t think clearly”, but yet you had the foresight and patience to wait until the the boss was at 5% health. Your excuse is worse than your behavior and you should be banned. Doesn’t matter if the guy was running cleric’s and you asked for zerk. Either gear check in the beginning and kick or don’t do it at all. YOU are the problem.
Kicking leechers right before the boss is perfectly fine, if they were willingly not matching the requirements. It’s nothing I personally do, but I don’t see an issue with it either.
It’s funny that you were “so mad that you didn’t think clearly”, but yet you had the foresight and patience to wait until the the boss was at 5% health. Your excuse is worse than your behavior and you should be banned. Doesn’t matter if the guy was running cleric’s and you asked for zerk. Either gear check in the beginning and kick or don’t do it at all. YOU are the problem.
^My feelings exactly. It seems hardly fair for someone to put in the work only to be kicked at the end.
It’s funny that you were “so mad that you didn’t think clearly”, but yet you had the foresight and patience to wait until the the boss was at 5% health. Your excuse is worse than your behavior and you should be banned. Doesn’t matter if the guy was running cleric’s and you asked for zerk. Either gear check in the beginning and kick or don’t do it at all. YOU are the problem.
^My feelings exactly. It seems hardly fair for someone to put in the work only to be kicked at the end.
I disagree. From the moment he decided to join the group without fitting the required criteria, he was in for a kick. The only reason that keeps people like that in a group is that they often don’t get spotted right away.
I don’t kick people when we’re far into a run, but that’s because I’m too nice.
I don’t like it when they get away with it, however.
Hopefully the cleric learned his lesson. They will never learn if excuses are accepted. If they are willing to tempt a kick at the beginning they are willing to tempt it at the end. They knew what they were in for. Stop acting like they are children who made an honest mistake.
If he gets banned then so does the cleric else kitten . I personally will try kick at any time I so desire.
Beginning – Not reading LFG. Not complying with LFG.
Middle- Sub par skills.
Almost end- Kicked a guard last night for using all spirit weapons as my “underlevel’d” team was getting slaughtered in CM.
Put in the work? plss
SO as long as I hit 2 once every 9 seconds and stand in the right area Ive put in the work?
I suppose being carried is some form of work.
OP’s post is just hilarious. In fact, after some events I try to avoid any party with Zerker prefix on it:
I main Ele which is almost glass cannon mixed up with some survival traits/skills. And when I joined this 4 Zerker Warrior PUG, I had to tank bosses and was doing great as it in fact, while those Zerker Warriors had to switch to bows/rifles, bc they got almost instakilled 2-3 hits. I don’t see why ppl can’t see that if you want to inflict heavy DPS you need maiximum 3 party member for it standing still and hitting hard, while Guardian sustains full damage mitigation to party and some other class making great job at crowd control not letting anyone close to DPSers. Some players are really dumb…
OP’s post is just hilarious. In fact, after some events I try to avoid any party with Zerker prefix on it:
I main Ele which is almost glass cannon mixed up with some survival traits/skills. And when I joined this 4 Zerker Warrior PUG, I had to tank bosses and was doing great as it in fact, while those Zerker Warriors had to switch to bows/rifles, bc they got almost instakilled 2-3 hits. I don’t see why ppl can’t see that if you want to inflict heavy DPS you need maiximum 3 party member for it standing still and hitting hard, while Guardian sustains full damage mitigation to party and some other class making great job at crowd control not letting anyone close to DPSers. Some players are really dumb…
Getting paired with subpar zerkers doesn’t make other builds any better.
I don’t see why ppl can’t see that if you want to inflict heavy DPS you need maiximum 3 party member for it standing still
You do not understand this game either. Those 3 zerker Warriors were horrible too if they were getting killed by some boss that I can only assume is in CoF, AC, etc… Doesn’t mean you should be tanking lol. No one should be standing still and tanking. #PUGlogic
What a waste of an Ele’s DPS. Should have just swapped to 30/30/0/0/10 and run it without them.
I’m back to pugging daily for most of my dungeon runs.
All I write is p1/2/3, lv80s/be experienced pls.
I could care less if they’re zerk or not in AC/CoF/SE. Stuff starts to become somewhat of an issue in TA. I’ve seen tons of pugs getting dropped by the vine champ, or just dying really early with the knockdown while running.
There’s really nothing to add here that could salvage the issue. DPS is part of the issue, but there will always be pugs that has no idea what the dungeon is about despite what you write on LFG. As a rule of thumb, it’s usually those under 1k ap. Anyway, I’m impartial to non-zerkers/zerkers. In that like the OP, I ain’t going to waste the next few minutes kicking players and verifying gear when a non-zerk warrior group could’ve done half of the dungeon already.
Unfortunately without a consistent group I no longer do Arah or Aetherblade since puglyfe is certainly not adequate to handling either of these without the occasional frustration.
SBI – Thief and the occasional Guardian & Warrior.
One that really gets me are the “no necro/ranger” posts. I can kinda understand the stigma with Necro, it needs some love for PvE, but Ranger is kittening awesome to have in your party if they are playing right. Spotter? Frost Spirit? Hell yes! I have 7 80s and play pretty much all of them, and I really enjoy my Ranger.
I’m back to pugging daily for most of my dungeon runs.
All I write is p1/2/3, lv80s/be experienced pls.
I could care less if they’re zerk or not in AC/CoF/SE. Stuff starts to become somewhat of an issue in TA. I’ve seen tons of pugs getting dropped by the vine champ, or just dying really early with the knockdown while running.
There’s really nothing to add here that could salvage the issue. DPS is part of the issue, but there will always be pugs that has no idea what the dungeon is about despite what you write on LFG. As a rule of thumb, it’s usually those under 1k ap. Anyway, I’m impartial to non-zerkers/zerkers. In that like the OP, I ain’t going to waste the next few minutes kicking players and verifying gear when a non-zerk warrior group could’ve done half of the dungeon already.
Unfortunately without a consistent group I no longer do Arah or Aetherblade since puglyfe is certainly not adequate to handling either of these without the occasional frustration.
Oh man, the Vine… There have been so many groups where everyone in my party has bailed to go to ranged when it got a little hot in there, leaving me the only one still meleeing it down. And half the time they still die before me. Had they just stayed there fighting, we could have killed it easily, but people get scared. Can’t be afraid to get downed sometimes, just do as much dps as you can before you do.
One that really gets me are the “no necro/ranger” posts. I can kinda understand the stigma with Necro, it needs some love for PvE, but Ranger is kittening awesome to have in your party if they are playing right. Spotter? Frost Spirit? Hell yes! I have 7 80s and play pretty much all of them, and I really enjoy my Ranger.
Yeah well, when they don’t play it right, it becomes too obvious. And they often don’t play it right. I’ve encountered most rangers not to have Spotter or Spirit. I’ve seen way more longbow bear rangers, axe mainhand rangers, and rangers who knockbacks mobs purposely away so it’s no longer stacked nicely for us to DPS it down. It’s these annoying habits and low quality play that make speed runners annoyed when a ranger joins. They not only not provide support for the party, they tend to hinder them with annoying knockbacks and overall selfish play.
Now full signet warriors and GS mesmers are no better in that area, but they aren’t as obvious. I find more often than not rangers belong the “I play how I want” camp. I have guildies who are really nice people but go to WvW and we’d have a bunch of rangers in a guild raid when we lack eles/necros/guards/warriors. Perhaps rangers are so attuned to solo play with their pets they in general stop caring about group play. shrugs
SBI – Thief and the occasional Guardian & Warrior.
It’s funny that you were “so mad that you didn’t think clearly”, but yet you had the foresight and patience to wait until the the boss was at 5% health. Your excuse is worse than your behavior and you should be banned. Doesn’t matter if the guy was running cleric’s and you asked for zerk. Either gear check in the beginning and kick or don’t do it at all. YOU are the problem.
^My feelings exactly. It seems hardly fair for someone to put in the work only to be kicked at the end.
I disagree. From the moment he decided to join the group without fitting the required criteria, he was in for a kick. The only reason that keeps people like that in a group is that they often don’t get spotted right away.
I don’t kick people when we’re far into a run, but that’s because I’m too nice.
I don’t like it when they get away with it, however.
My point was, he gear checked him half way through the run. The kick should have occurred then and there. Plus what I quoted as his reason didn’t make any sense.
Waiting till the end to kick after a mid-dungeon gear check is just as much of a kitten thing to do as is joining a group that you don’t meet the requirements for.
I am not excusing the cleric’s behavior because that type of player is the root problem of many of the arguments the zerk vs. non-zerk groups often argue about, but two wrongs don’t make a right.
their CoF lfg was saying: “P1&2 lvl 80 zerker warri/mesmer only. Ping gear.”
Since they were the only group in the lfg I joined anyways and asked them politely if they maybe could skip on the mesmer and take me instead. I even were polite enough to ping my fully ascended zerker gear and nade-build. A simple “nope” would have been enough for me to leave again, but they decided to rant all over my class, calling me a noob and kicked me eventually. Ofc – seconds later – they were listed in the lfg again.
And as the kind person that I am, I decided to join with my engi again, type in partychat “please restart your lfg” and left instantly. I did this maybe 15-20 times with them, and they even started to whisper me and rage, throwing tantrums and finally clearing the lfg completely off their presence.
After they were gone, I opened my own lfg and cleared p1, 2 and 3 within ~40 min.
I agree with this topic..:) Because I run dungeon speed runs every day and I think we all know this.. And do you know what this really means?
Sample:
“I play warrior and it’s easy (*), also my friend play mesmer so we want 4 warriors and 1 messmer speed run..”
(*) because you just need to use all your evades and you don’t really need more if your group is full zerker and you all have 20k hp by default..
I play zerker guardian because I like play style and dps posibility (this is the best option for me).
Just try zerk dungeon group like 2 x guardian, 1-2 x ele and 1-2xw/e -> you will never die (even with pug) and clean fast every dungeon..
Why would you not just ping your armour and trinkets? Secondly, why aren’t you using axe/wh + axe/mace for fotm? GS doesn’t do enough to be worth taking.
I had a guy join a FOTM group I made who was exactly like you, except he was a mesmer who pinged his GS. I knew at that point he wasn’t worth taking so I just booted him from my party, and then there was another guy who I was trying to explain to that he had bugged Belka and he said “dude, I have 20k” tokens.
Yeah … it doesn’t prove anything.
And if you honestly think you’re an experienced player, having two healing spec’d characters – well I hate to burst your bubble but you’re really not.
Experience has nothing to do with adapting or not to the meta. A player who adapts may be more efficient, and that’s about it-it doesn’t mean that the non-conforming player is “inexperienced” or “sucks” at GW2.
One that really gets me are the “no necro/ranger” posts. I can kinda understand the stigma with Necro, it needs some love for PvE, but Ranger is kittening awesome to have in your party if they are playing right. Spotter? Frost Spirit? Hell yes! I have 7 80s and play pretty much all of them, and I really enjoy my Ranger.
Yeah well, when they don’t play it right, it becomes too obvious. And they often don’t play it right. I’ve encountered most rangers not to have Spotter or Spirit. I’ve seen way more longbow bear rangers, axe mainhand rangers, and rangers who knockbacks mobs purposely away so it’s no longer stacked nicely for us to DPS it down. It’s these annoying habits and low quality play that make speed runners annoyed when a ranger joins. They not only not provide support for the party, they tend to hinder them with annoying knockbacks and overall selfish play.
Now full signet warriors and GS mesmers are no better in that area, but they aren’t as obvious. I find more often than not rangers belong the “I play how I want” camp. I have guildies who are really nice people but go to WvW and we’d have a bunch of rangers in a guild raid when we lack eles/necros/guards/warriors. Perhaps rangers are so attuned to solo play with their pets they in general stop caring about group play. shrugs
Ironically, you are also playing how you want, and demanding them to play how you want. Will these forums stop using that silly phrase as a pejorative? At least, if you are going to use it as an insult you should then never demand for people to play how you want, otherwise it’s sheer hypocrisy.
I am not that much “playhowIwant” but more “playasyouwish.” I don’t mind if you speedclear or not-just leave each other alone playing the way you each want.
Rangers are actually used to group play because of their pet. They excel with groups as much as “solo”, as they are never really “solo” due to their pet. Or perhaps I have been playing for too long. I don’t consider Ranger a solo/“selfish” Profession at all-that’s up to the player to decide, not the Profession.
Rangers are actually used to group play because of their pet.
I really hope that you aren’t serious.
Btw as that crowd calls everybody else filthy elitists jerks, i’m sure it’s a fair thing to call them “playhowiwants”. Personally i find it cute. =3
But i’m a noob, so i just sit here, eat mah popcorn and watch how these crowds rip eachother apart. /evil laugh
I’m glad this is a thread. I wouldn’t mind if people were putting “Experienced only please” in their descriptions, but I just got kicked for having the gall to join with a non 80 Guardian into a dungeon I was overleveled for. I know the dungeon, have done it plenty of times on multiple characters, and meet the requirements. But when I joined (Mind you the descriptions just said “Path 1”) the leader said, “Lol, 66?” and then kicked me. I had a hard time joining another dungeon anywhere because they all had “80 Zerker only War” in the descriptions. This sort of player-gating is getting rediculous. I run fractals a bit and have had less trouble with non-80’s than I’ve had with 80’s most of the time. One person said to me, “You’d understand if you played GW2 enough.”
WTF? I’ve been playing since GW1 BETA! That’s not enough? I’ve run successful and fast pugs through AC with all 50’s. Meanwhile every time I have an issue where my pug is stuck, they’re all opinionated 80’s who blame each other. Something needs to be done about this.
I pug all the time and I actively avoid any “zerkerz onlizzz plzzz” or “+6 or more k AP onlizz plox” parties, I also avoid ones that exclude any classes.
My general experience from parties the few times I was in them was everyone was hostile and you felt like you were in some kind of exam about to be whipped across the knuckles if you made the slightest mistake, elitist, people faking being an elitist to get other people to carry them, people who have no idea how to play the game.
The pugs I do run with are usually very friendly and great to chat with, surly thats much for enjoyable than sitting in cof p1 with your butt cheeks clenched so tightly your eyeballs are about to explode, holding a stop clock to figure out how much this run took.
Also to the guy who kicked the clerics guys, I’m sorry you deserve the kick, if I saw someone do that in a dungeon I would immediately request a kick to that person, have fun :v
