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Posted by: Dee Jay.2460

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I run CoF every day with PuGs. I know that a flawless run with solid DPS takes about 8 minutes to complete, depending on when exactly you start counting.

And despite my previously bad experiences with similar groups I decided to join a set and ready “4 Warriors, 1 Mesmer, Zerker only group”.

Now I can almost understand the desire for Zerkers. Solid DPS does speed up the run significantly. In CoF however you only really kill 5 mobs where DPS actually matters so the difference between Zerker or not is negligible.

I always assumed this “Zerker only” mentality was rooted in an obsession for smooth and fast runs.

Anyway, so we start off, first boss goes down quickly as you’d probably expect. Some Warrior asks another about his build, but he doesn’t respond. By the time we’ve killed the summoners the inquisitive Warrior decides that one Warrior isn’t in fact a Zerker and thus initiates a kick which promptly goes through.

Mind you this Warrior they kicked was the only one using buff-food and Slaying Potions.

So I port them through the tunnel but with 4 players they are now stuck at the brazers. I asked them why they kicked the guy and tell them it made no sense. So after about 2 minutes a Guardian joins the group, only to be instantly kicked again for not being a Warrior.

WTF!?

At that point I told them they were all idiots because what’s the point of running 4 Warriors + Mesmer if you’re going to waste so much time due to your inflated ego.

So I leave, form a new group and 8 minutes later complete the run.

Meanwhile the Warriors were still stuck in CoF….

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Posted by: Pogromca.4512

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Yesterday I was kicked on Path 3 when the last “boss” has had 1% HP. Can you imagine? that was about 5 seconds to the end and some guy said “please kick him out” just because I was doing different tactic, which for me was more effective. How mad is this? What is the purpose of kicking me 5 seconds before the end, after 20 minutes of good playing? I can’t even find words to describe this kind of players. You are so foolish.

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Posted by: Flissy.4093

Flissy.4093

At that point I told them they were all idiots because what’s the point of running 4 Warriors + Mesmer if you’re going to waste so much time due to your inflated ego.

That sounds about right. People wasting time being picky to “save” time often take longer. That’s why you only see Zerker posts on the LFG – because the non-zerk only fill up nigh on instant and are already 3/4 through the dungeon before the Zerkers even fill up.

I know some player’s would rather a longer preparation time and do the dungeon quicker – because they find “quick” dungeon fun – but players need to use their sense. You’re never getting a true speedrun in a PUG, so why try? Just take anybody that isn’t using junk Bearbow or AH Guard.

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I’m often kicking people who do not match my lfg. But you can usually identify these by some extraordinary description I put in. I’ve had a lot of fun trying to get ‘native english speakers who are willing to communicate". Eventually, after about an hour, someone joined me, quite sadly I didn’t understand his advanced english ‘i rune dol cuz orb i die many’.

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Trice.4598

I’m often kicking people who do not match my lfg. But you can usually identify these by some extraordinary description I put in. I’ve had a lot of fun trying to get ‘native english speakers who are willing to communicate". Eventually, after about an hour, someone joined me, quite sadly I didn’t understand his advanced english ‘i rune dol cuz orb i die many’.

That’s old Britain, you need something like an English Major before even starting to understand.

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Posted by: Infamous Darkness.3284

Infamous Darkness.3284

‘i rune dol cuz orb i die many’.

Is it supposed to be I run dolyak runes because I die when trying to use ruby orbs???

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I’m often kicking people who do not match my lfg. But you can usually identify these by some extraordinary description I put in. I’ve had a lot of fun trying to get ‘native english speakers who are willing to communicate". Eventually, after about an hour, someone joined me, quite sadly I didn’t understand his advanced english ‘i rune dol cuz orb i die many’.

That’s old Britain, you need something like an English Major before even starting to understand.

If only.

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Posted by: Dahkeus.8243

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Sadly, so many people get so caught up in getting the perfect group composition for a fast run, they fail to realize that they wasted a ton of time just getting exactly who they want.

Because of this, I’ve seen plenty of mixed build/prof groups clear through dungeons faster than perfectionist speed run group leaders.

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Lothirieth.3408

Sadly, so many people get so caught up in getting the perfect group composition for a fast run, they fail to realize that they wasted a ton of time just getting exactly who they want.

Because of this, I’ve seen plenty of mixed build/prof groups clear through dungeons faster than perfectionist speed run group leaders.

I was in a run like that the other day. The LFG said zerker only but mentioned nothing about pinging gear, yet we who all joined were immediately prompted to ping. I pass ed their test, but others didn’t or didn’t understand pinging or didn’t do so fast enough or apparently had the wrong skill or weapon slotted… I dunno how many people we went through. And each person was ridiculed by the rude person asking for pings (yeah in fairness, the people should have read, but mocking and ridiculing isn’t cool). Meanwhile I saw numerous other LFGs filling up fast and starting the dungeon. When we finally did get the perfect setup that person wanted, a full CoE run went smoothly and quickly.. yet a good 10 mintues or more was wasted so that’s gotta average the times out. Honestly I’m disappointed in myself for not leaving and instead in a round about way silently condoning that one person’s behaviour by not saying anything. Next time, I’ll not do that again.

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Posted by: Brando.3891

Brando.3891

Sadly, so many people get so caught up in getting the perfect group composition for a fast run, they fail to realize that they wasted a ton of time just getting exactly who they want.

Because of this, I’ve seen plenty of mixed build/prof groups clear through dungeons faster than perfectionist speed run group leaders.

it’s not all about the speed, mostly about it, but i personally enjoy speedruns so i prefer wait 5 min to enjoy the successive 5 instead to do an 8 min run that i do not enjoy.
Sorry if in my kittened english this doesn’t make any sense xD

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Posted by: guanlongwucaii.3162

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Sadly, so many people get so caught up in getting the perfect group composition for a fast run, they fail to realize that they wasted a ton of time just getting exactly who they want.

Because of this, I’ve seen plenty of mixed build/prof groups clear through dungeons faster than perfectionist speed run group leaders.

it’s not all about the speed, mostly about it, but i personally enjoy speedruns so i prefer wait 5 min to enjoy the successive 5 instead to do an 8 min run that i do not enjoy.
Sorry if in my kittened english this doesn’t make any sense xD

this, I would rather wait longer for good players and have a good run than take the first pug I get and have a slower run, even if the good run + wait takes longer overall. I prefer seeing dungeons go smoothly (as smooth as a pug can get).

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Posted by: Dalanor.5387

Dalanor.5387

It happened this morning.
I don’t know how long the guys waited or filtered the group, but i joined to 2 random guys on lfg for a quick AC run in the morning and the group was soooo good we decided to go trough a lot of paths (full AC and CoE, CoF12, SE13, TAf/u, HotW1) and maaaaan it was beautiful.
It was a long ago when i had a similar experience with randoms, but as the above example shows it can worth your time to filter.

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Posted by: Valneer.3854

Valneer.3854

Ignore any group forcing warrior superiority, any pug worth their salt knows that anyone with zerker and half a brain can pump out respectable dps.

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Posted by: Dee Jay.2460

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Sadly, so many people get so caught up in getting the perfect group composition for a fast run, they fail to realize that they wasted a ton of time just getting exactly who they want.

Because of this, I’ve seen plenty of mixed build/prof groups clear through dungeons faster than perfectionist speed run group leaders.

it’s not all about the speed, mostly about it, but i personally enjoy speedruns so i prefer wait 5 min to enjoy the successive 5 instead to do an 8 min run that i do not enjoy.
Sorry if in my kittened english this doesn’t make any sense xD

this, I would rather wait longer for good players and have a good run than take the first pug I get and have a slower run, even if the good run + wait takes longer overall. I prefer seeing dungeons go smoothly (as smooth as a pug can get).

I understand that. I understand that for dungeons paths that take 20+ minutes.

A bad group can add a lot of stress at times you don’t want it and a smooth run is much more enjoyable, no doubt.

But CoF in particular and AC are farmed so routinely, by so many people, it’s all about speed and efficiency. CoF path 1 run kills 5 mobs, the rest is time-gated, AC skips most. The “perfect” composition barely makes a difference when you’re running past most mobs or the waves respawn on a fixed timer.

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mage.3570

Something similar happened to me in Fractals level 49.

Now, I mostly run fractals with pugs (been doing so since fractals started) because I find it more entertaining than running with people I already know.

My fractal experience: I have done over 400 recorded fractal runs (I have a solid 300+ pristine fractal relics in storage), all fractal skins (except dagger), a dozen ascended chests, and the prestigious Endless Fractal Tonic. I use 10 alts for fractals (all able to run till level 30), half of them can run up to lvl 49, and two can run up to 50. Most of the alts are traited for max dps, except two which are more healing based (I roll these when the group lacks solid support).

So, last week used my zerk war to join a level 49 fractal group which was looking for one more zerker heavy. There was already 1 guard and 3 wars in the group. Upon joining, they demand I ping my gear. I pinged my Zojja-specced Sunrise, but that wasn’t enough for them. So, at this point, I started to play with these guys a bit. I pinged the Endless fractal tonic and then the 300+ pristine fractal relics. They still didn’t get the picture…and they demanded I ping my armor venomously claiming that I was CLERIC warrior. Obviously, I got kicked next…but I doubt they would find anyone as experienced as me. In other words, their loss.

I was able to block all of them before I got kicked

For a long time, fractals was my end-game, and I have already got everything I ever wanted.

Been there, done that. What’s next?

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Posted by: hendo.1940

hendo.1940

Why would you not just ping your armour and trinkets? Secondly, why aren’t you using axe/wh + axe/mace for fotm? GS doesn’t do enough to be worth taking.

I had a guy join a FOTM group I made who was exactly like you, except he was a mesmer who pinged his GS. I knew at that point he wasn’t worth taking so I just booted him from my party, and then there was another guy who I was trying to explain to that he had bugged Belka and he said “dude, I have 20k” tokens.

Yeah … it doesn’t prove anything.

And if you honestly think you’re an experienced player, having two healing spec’d characters – well I hate to burst your bubble but you’re really not.

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Posted by: TurtleDragon.3108

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^ This

Don’t blame PUGs for not knowing more about your build and playstyle. For all they know, you could have been a clerics warrior and earned all those relics and whatnot, there is no way they can tell how efficiently you got those tokens or what builds you ran to earn those.

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Posted by: FenrirSlakt.3692

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I imagine that the guy in the party OP mentioned didn’t like being taken for a fool.

While I agree that asking for experienced zerkers may slow things down, I do prefer to wait doing something else like watching videos, working on something else, chatting with a friend/gmate and whatnot than wiping constantly due to bad pugs.

What I do with my time is none of anyone’s concern. I don’t join no-skipping play-how-you-want groups, so why would they join my groups?

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Posted by: Caccis.9087

Caccis.9087

Why would you not just ping your armour and trinkets? Secondly, why aren’t you using axe/wh + axe/mace for fotm? GS doesn’t do enough to be worth taking.

I had a guy join a FOTM group I made who was exactly like you, except he was a mesmer who pinged his GS. I knew at that point he wasn’t worth taking so I just booted him from my party, and then there was another guy who I was trying to explain to that he had bugged Belka and he said “dude, I have 20k” tokens.

Yeah … it doesn’t prove anything.

And if you honestly think you’re an experienced player, having two healing spec’d characters – well I hate to burst your bubble but you’re really not.

You are elitist kitten in casual game, be shamed yourself srsly. If you need your perfect run in CoF P1 that even your mom can do with any class and build don’t be kitten about it. Can’t really understand you guys, you take this game that is made so that anyone can play it so “hardcore”. Atleast the zerker meta gives you nice illusion you are actually good at something.

Well can’t rly blame you meta dudes, the dungeon system is bad and has forced you all sheeps to do this. Game has nice illusion of big customization that is sadly ruined by dungeon desingers.

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Posted by: Dalanor.5387

Dalanor.5387

They asked for your gear. You refused to do this. You get kicked. It’s your fault. End of story.

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Posted by: Jerus.4350

Jerus.4350

Why would you not just ping your armour and trinkets? Secondly, why aren’t you using axe/wh + axe/mace for fotm? GS doesn’t do enough to be worth taking.

I had a guy join a FOTM group I made who was exactly like you, except he was a mesmer who pinged his GS. I knew at that point he wasn’t worth taking so I just booted him from my party, and then there was another guy who I was trying to explain to that he had bugged Belka and he said “dude, I have 20k” tokens.

Yeah … it doesn’t prove anything.

And if you honestly think you’re an experienced player, having two healing spec’d characters – well I hate to burst your bubble but you’re really not.

You are elitist kitten in casual game, be shamed yourself srsly. If you need your perfect run in CoF P1 that even your mom can do with any class and build don’t be kitten about it. Can’t really understand you guys, you take this game that is made so that anyone can play it so “hardcore”. Atleast the zerker meta gives you nice illusion you are actually good at something.

Well can’t rly blame you meta dudes, the dungeon system is bad and has forced you all sheeps to do this. Game has nice illusion of big customization that is sadly ruined by dungeon desingers.

If you have it labeled zerk/meta/speedrun or some other indication that you’re expected to take the generally accepted DPS builds, then there is nothing morally wrong with kicking players for being unable to follow directions.

If I don’t post any LFG note, and kick someone because they don’t fit what I wanted, then yeah, shame on me.

If I posted what I wanted, and you just decided that my opinion didn’t matter, you’re the kitten, not me. Though personally I still feel like a jerk every time someone gets kicked in my party, which is even worse because i feel bad because you just don’t give a kitten about my opinion, making you a real big jerk in my book for not only wasting my time but making me feel bad.

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Caccis.9087

If you have it labeled zerk/meta/speedrun or some other indication that you’re expected to take the generally accepted DPS builds, then there is nothing morally wrong with kicking players for being unable to follow directions.

If I don’t post any LFG note, and kick someone because they don’t fit what I wanted, then yeah, shame on me.

If I posted what I wanted, and you just decided that my opinion didn’t matter, you’re the kitten, not me. Though personally I still feel like a jerk every time someone gets kicked in my party, which is even worse because i feel bad because you just don’t give a kitten about my opinion, making you a real big jerk in my book for not only wasting my time but making me feel bad.

I do respect it, of course. I will not join your groups ever even when i’m running my zerker cause i think it’s just toxic to the community(what is the part i enjoy in this game). And it’s perfectly fine you demand it but that dude who i quoted originally was just beign jerk about it and i answered how i felt about him.

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Posted by: FenrirSlakt.3692

FenrirSlakt.3692

If you have it labeled zerk/meta/speedrun or some other indication that you’re expected to take the generally accepted DPS builds, then there is nothing morally wrong with kicking players for being unable to follow directions.

If I don’t post any LFG note, and kick someone because they don’t fit what I wanted, then yeah, shame on me.

If I posted what I wanted, and you just decided that my opinion didn’t matter, you’re the kitten, not me. Though personally I still feel like a jerk every time someone gets kicked in my party, which is even worse because i feel bad because you just don’t give a kitten about my opinion, making you a real big jerk in my book for not only wasting my time but making me feel bad.

I do respect it, of course. I will not join your groups ever

If only everyone was this practical, there would not be issues with the LFG.

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Posted by: mage.3570

mage.3570

Why would you not just ping your armour and trinkets? Secondly, why aren’t you using axe/wh + axe/mace for fotm? GS doesn’t do enough to be worth taking.

I had a guy join a FOTM group I made who was exactly like you, except he was a mesmer who pinged his GS. I knew at that point he wasn’t worth taking so I just booted him from my party, and then there was another guy who I was trying to explain to that he had bugged Belka and he said “dude, I have 20k” tokens.

Yeah … it doesn’t prove anything.

And if you honestly think you’re an experienced player, having two healing spec’d characters – well I hate to burst your bubble but you’re really not.

I think somebody needs to stop making assumptions. ROFL, its player’s like you who entertain me in the game and in the forums.

I have a full slew of weapons on my war, I switch them as needed, customizing for EACH fractal boss, which is beyond any average zerker would understand. On any average run, I use GS, axe, mace, shield, warhorn, longbow and rifle. Why shield? If you don’t know the answer to that, then delete your warrior immediately.

My philosophy:
I personally run max dps most of the time, yet I NEVER ever ask others what to run. I NEVER ask others to ping. I only get mildly irritated when people can’t do their job right, like a mesmer who doesn’t know when to portal and a guardian who doesn’t use reflects at all. In those weird cases, I bring alts and show how its done. And in the extreme case when the group clearly lacks healing (as in Shaman boss fight), I bring my cleric guard and make it all seem stupid easy. Now, go cry in a corner if you don’t know how a cleric guard operates or what weapons to use.

And like I said, I play with pugs, it’s more fun and I can play any build I want (including clerics, hehe). So, I feel this makes me a better player overall than you, knowing all classes and varieties within those classes.

Been there, done that. What’s next?

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Posted by: Jerus.4350

Jerus.4350

If you have it labeled zerk/meta/speedrun or some other indication that you’re expected to take the generally accepted DPS builds, then there is nothing morally wrong with kicking players for being unable to follow directions.

If I don’t post any LFG note, and kick someone because they don’t fit what I wanted, then yeah, shame on me.

If I posted what I wanted, and you just decided that my opinion didn’t matter, you’re the kitten, not me. Though personally I still feel like a jerk every time someone gets kicked in my party, which is even worse because i feel bad because you just don’t give a kitten about my opinion, making you a real big jerk in my book for not only wasting my time but making me feel bad.

I do respect it, of course. I will not join your groups ever even when i’m running my zerker cause i think it’s just toxic to the community(what is the part i enjoy in this game). And it’s perfectly fine you demand it but that dude who i quoted originally was just beign jerk about it and i answered how i felt about him.

True, but there’s two sides of the coin. One side is dealing with the pushy jerk zerks who try to force everyone to play their way. The other side is dealing with the inconsiderate morons who can’t read a LFG note and join zerk groups.

Both sides of people on the forum are equally frustrated with the same types of people… folks who can’t/won’t read a LFG note.

The Zerk Mentality may be toxic in some ways but an LFG note like that is simply saying “hey I want to get a quick run done, any other vets who play like I do out there care to join me?” is that really something bad?

Zerk can be toxic when it turns into elitism, which is always toxic and always present in any game.

And honestly I’d argue the “play your way” attitude is just as toxic. There are more just strait bad builds than good ones. Seeing things like 3 warrior groups with 0 banners is just frustrating. This is a team game and selfish play is just bad. And using “play your way” as an excuse for having a poorly thought out build is bad. I’ve had Ele’s say they don’t use FGS, I’ve had Mesmers taht don’t use Time Warp, Warriors who don’t use banners is about as common as bearbows, and we all know how most dungeon goers think of those players. Sure you can play your way, no one is stopping you, but like you don’t want to group with elitists because you feel it’s toxic, I don’t want to play with people who are stubborn and feel they can just do whatever they want ignoring that this is a TEAM game.

Elitism may be toxic, but devs really need to stop claming their games are “play your way” because I’ve yet to find a game that is even close to being balanced well enough that you can claim that.

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Posted by: Vox Hollow.2736

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Try not to attribute to malice.
What’s more likely; malicious manipulation of years-old marketing for the sheer thrill of inconveniencing other people, or folks just not knowing the game has a balance problem because it’s not very intuitive?

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Posted by: Jerus.4350

Jerus.4350

Try not to attribute to malice.
What’s more likely; malicious manipulation of years-old marketing for the sheer thrill of inconveniencing other people, or folks just not knowing the game has a balance problem because it’s not very intuitive?

I hear ya, but if a group requests that you use a skill and you refuse claiming you can play your own way, that falls into the first category. When the attitude becomes a detriment to the group it becomes an issue.

I don’t think most are that way. Just like I don’t think most zerker players are elitist, most I have met are not, they just want to play their way with people who share their play style. When someone decides to ignore a request from the group though, they shouldn’t be surprised by a kick. And kicking is bad, I don’t know anyone who likes to kick or be kicked.

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Haha this is so kitten true. I’m starting to find this mentality is creeping into high level fractals as well. I play Oceanic time zone so my party options are always limited in the 40+ category but the other night I saw a party advertising zerker only. I play a power tank necro but thought i’d give the party a try as they had been advertising for over 15 mins. They said they’d ‘give me a chance’ LOLZ and we started our lvl 50 run.

Throughout the entire run, the zerkers were going down, over and over and over, while i’m still standing trying to res everyone. Party leader ended up raging and leaving, booting us out.

The next night I decided to just start my own party and promoted that I didn’t care what class you were, as long as you had the AR. The party ended up being, Me (Necro), a ranger, an ele, a thief and a warrior.

We completed the entire run in about an hour without a single issue. We had Swamp, Cliffside, Thermanova and Molten. Seamless.

I guess my point is that for the most part, if a player is good, they’ll be good on any type of toon.

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Haha this is so kitten true. I’m starting to find this mentality is creeping into high level fractals as well. I play Oceanic time zone so my party options are always limited in the 40+ category but the other night I saw a party advertising zerker only. I play a power tank necro but thought i’d give the party a try as they had been advertising for over 15 mins. They said they’d ‘give me a chance’ LOLZ and we started our lvl 50 run.

Throughout the entire run, the zerkers were going down, over and over and over, while i’m still standing trying to res everyone. Party leader ended up raging and leaving, booting us out.

The next night I decided to just start my own party and promoted that I didn’t care what class you were, as long as you had the AR. The party ended up being, Me (Necro), a ranger, an ele, a thief and a warrior.

We completed the entire run in about an hour without a single issue. We had Swamp, Cliffside, Thermanova and Molten. Seamless.

I guess my point is that for the most part, if a player is good, they’ll be good on any type of toon.

But they’ll be better on a toon with a proper build. Why be good when you can be better? Why not strive for excellence rather than mediocrity? I’m not saying a good build makes someone good, but if you are purposely not using a good build then there is a good chance you just don’t care about your effectiveness.

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Posted by: Pinkus.2860

Pinkus.2860

Haha this is so kitten true. I’m starting to find this mentality is creeping into high level fractals as well. I play Oceanic time zone so my party options are always limited in the 40+ category but the other night I saw a party advertising zerker only. I play a power tank necro but thought i’d give the party a try as they had been advertising for over 15 mins. They said they’d ‘give me a chance’ LOLZ and we started our lvl 50 run.

Throughout the entire run, the zerkers were going down, over and over and over, while i’m still standing trying to res everyone. Party leader ended up raging and leaving, booting us out.

The next night I decided to just start my own party and promoted that I didn’t care what class you were, as long as you had the AR. The party ended up being, Me (Necro), a ranger, an ele, a thief and a warrior.

We completed the entire run in about an hour without a single issue. We had Swamp, Cliffside, Thermanova and Molten. Seamless.

I guess my point is that for the most part, if a player is good, they’ll be good on any type of toon.

But they’ll be better on a toon with a proper build. Why be good when you can be better? Why not strive for excellence rather than mediocrity? I’m not saying a good build makes someone good, but if you are purposely not using a good build then there is a good chance you just don’t care about your effectiveness.

I didn’t say anything about us not running good or proper builds. For the most part, players who have reached level 50 fractals are running a fairly legitimate build… The unfortunate part is that people are starting to discredit classes and builds because they aren’t zerker warriors. Who’s to say what a ‘proper’ fractals build is anyway…?

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Posted by: hendo.1940

hendo.1940

I think somebody needs to stop making assumptions. ROFL, its player’s like you who entertain me in the game and in the forums.

I have a full slew of weapons on my war, I switch them as needed, customizing for EACH fractal boss, which is beyond any average zerker would understand. On any average run, I use GS, axe, mace, shield, warhorn, longbow and rifle. Why shield? If you don’t know the answer to that, then delete your warrior immediately.

I would like to know why you would take a shield to a boss when you can take an off-hand sword.

My philosophy:
I personally run max dps most of the time, yet I NEVER ever ask others what to run. I NEVER ask others to ping. I only get mildly irritated when people can’t do their job right, like a mesmer who doesn’t know when to portal and a guardian who doesn’t use reflects at all. In those weird cases, I bring alts and show how its done.

I was doing it with a friend and he wanted gear pings. I personally don’t care that much, but if our LFG says gear pings I’m going to push the issue.

And in the extreme case when the group clearly lacks healing (as in Shaman boss fight), I bring my cleric guard and make it all seem stupid easy. Now, go cry in a corner if you don’t know how a cleric guard operates or what weapons to use.

I run in groups that lack healing all the time. We do fine.

And I know how a cleric guard operates – inefficiently.

And like I said, I play with pugs, it’s more fun and I can play any build I want (including clerics, hehe). So, I feel this makes me a better player overall than you, knowing all classes and varieties within those classes.

I have a better understanding of the classes I play than you ever will.

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Haha this is so kitten true. I’m starting to find this mentality is creeping into high level fractals as well. I play Oceanic time zone so my party options are always limited in the 40+ category but the other night I saw a party advertising zerker only. I play a power tank necro but thought i’d give the party a try as they had been advertising for over 15 mins. They said they’d ‘give me a chance’ LOLZ and we started our lvl 50 run.

Throughout the entire run, the zerkers were going down, over and over and over, while i’m still standing trying to res everyone. Party leader ended up raging and leaving, booting us out.

The next night I decided to just start my own party and promoted that I didn’t care what class you were, as long as you had the AR. The party ended up being, Me (Necro), a ranger, an ele, a thief and a warrior.

We completed the entire run in about an hour without a single issue. We had Swamp, Cliffside, Thermanova and Molten. Seamless.

I guess my point is that for the most part, if a player is good, they’ll be good on any type of toon.

But they’ll be better on a toon with a proper build. Why be good when you can be better? Why not strive for excellence rather than mediocrity? I’m not saying a good build makes someone good, but if you are purposely not using a good build then there is a good chance you just don’t care about your effectiveness.

I didn’t say anything about us not running good or proper builds. For the most part, players who have reached level 50 fractals are running a fairly legitimate build… The unfortunate part is that people are starting to discredit classes and builds because they aren’t zerker warriors. Who’s to say what a ‘proper’ fractals build is anyway…?

Nobody cares about warriors anymore. You’re stuck in cof path 1 days. I haven’t seen any group push the issue of everyone being a warrior for like a year. Also that was never a common thing in fractals either way, most groups wanted alot of guards. Builds are discredited generally because they’re bad. Like cleric guardians for instance.

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Posted by: Wethospu.6437

Wethospu.6437

Pugs are pugs. I was doing F49 with some guild and we got Mossman. I was the only person who used any kind of consumables, meleed and didn’t get downed.

Once we got it done I immediately got kicked. I whispered one of them and he told me “you shouldnt melee whats not meleeable at this level”.

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Posted by: Dub.1273

Dub.1273

Why would you not just ping your armour and trinkets? Secondly, why aren’t you using axe/wh + axe/mace for fotm? GS doesn’t do enough to be worth taking.

I had a guy join a FOTM group I made who was exactly like you, except he was a mesmer who pinged his GS. I knew at that point he wasn’t worth taking so I just booted him from my party, and then there was another guy who I was trying to explain to that he had bugged Belka and he said “dude, I have 20k” tokens.

Yeah … it doesn’t prove anything.

And if you honestly think you’re an experienced player, having two healing spec’d characters – well I hate to burst your bubble but you’re really not.

I think somebody needs to stop making assumptions. ROFL, its player’s like you who entertain me in the game and in the forums.

I have a full slew of weapons on my war, I switch them as needed, customizing for EACH fractal boss, which is beyond any average zerker would understand. On any average run, I use GS, axe, mace, shield, warhorn, longbow and rifle. Why shield? If you don’t know the answer to that, then delete your warrior immediately.

My philosophy:
I personally run max dps most of the time, yet I NEVER ever ask others what to run. I NEVER ask others to ping. I only get mildly irritated when people can’t do their job right, like a mesmer who doesn’t know when to portal and a guardian who doesn’t use reflects at all. In those weird cases, I bring alts and show how its done. And in the extreme case when the group clearly lacks healing (as in Shaman boss fight), I bring my cleric guard and make it all seem stupid easy. Now, go cry in a corner if you don’t know how a cleric guard operates or what weapons to use.

And like I said, I play with pugs, it’s more fun and I can play any build I want (including clerics, hehe). So, I feel this makes me a better player overall than you, knowing all classes and varieties within those classes.

Teach me, master.

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Posted by: Dalanor.5387

Dalanor.5387

Pugs are pugs. I was doing F49 with some guild and we got Mossman. I was the only person who used any kind of consumables, meleed and didn’t get downed.

Once we got it done I immediately got kicked. I whispered one of them and he told me “you shouldnt melee whats not meleeable at this level”.

Whaaaaaaaaat? Seriously? ( ._.) I hope you searched for your voodoo doll and punished them badly.

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Posted by: Lindbur.2537

Lindbur.2537

Pugs are pugs. I was doing F49 with some guild and we got Mossman. I was the only person who used any kind of consumables, meleed and didn’t get downed.

Once we got it done I immediately got kicked. I whispered one of them and he told me “you shouldnt melee whats not meleeable at this level”.

Whaaaaaaaaat? Seriously? ( ._.) I hope you searched for your voodoo doll and punished them badly.

No, he must bless them with his almighty rainbow dye scheme for eternity. :>

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Posted by: Wethospu.6437

Wethospu.6437

Now that you mention it, he also said something about looking too good.

Ok, that one wasn’t real. :P

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Posted by: noobgood.8762

noobgood.8762

I had a similar experience, being told to not melee Imbued Shaman by a staff mm necro….

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Posted by: Iris Ng.9845

Iris Ng.9845

Now that you mention it, he also said something about looking too good.

Ok, that one wasn’t real. :P

You are too shiny to be with them.

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Posted by: Lilith Ajit.6173

Lilith Ajit.6173

Now that you mention it, he also said something about looking too good.

Ok, that one wasn’t real. :P

You are too shiny to be with them.

Incorrect.

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Posted by: jportell.2197

jportell.2197

Haha this is so kitten true. I’m starting to find this mentality is creeping into high level fractals as well. I play Oceanic time zone so my party options are always limited in the 40+ category but the other night I saw a party advertising zerker only. I play a power tank necro but thought i’d give the party a try as they had been advertising for over 15 mins. They said they’d ‘give me a chance’ LOLZ and we started our lvl 50 run.

Throughout the entire run, the zerkers were going down, over and over and over, while i’m still standing trying to res everyone. Party leader ended up raging and leaving, booting us out.

The next night I decided to just start my own party and promoted that I didn’t care what class you were, as long as you had the AR. The party ended up being, Me (Necro), a ranger, an ele, a thief and a warrior.

We completed the entire run in about an hour without a single issue. We had Swamp, Cliffside, Thermanova and Molten. Seamless.

I guess my point is that for the most part, if a player is good, they’ll be good on any type of toon.

But they’ll be better on a toon with a proper build. Why be good when you can be better? Why not strive for excellence rather than mediocrity? I’m not saying a good build makes someone good, but if you are purposely not using a good build then there is a good chance you just don’t care about your effectiveness.

Being a necro, ele, ranger, and a thief doesn’t automatically=bad. Every class has bad builds, or you have people that are just clueless on how to play their class. I was playing with a D/F ele (me on a necro) in fractals 38 and made sure to not interfere with the might stacking… Well the ele would burning speed>flamewall…. Then switch to air. No blasting, nothing….
Necro, ranger, ele, and thief all have good dungeon builds…. Having what people view as “subpar” classes doesn’t mean that they don’t have good builds it means that everyone who says that likes playing warrior and halfway afking through everything because warrior is that easy in dungeons.

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Posted by: DeathPanel.8362

DeathPanel.8362

I run CoF every day with PuGs. I know that a flawless run with solid DPS takes about 8 minutes to complete, depending on when exactly you start counting.

And despite my previously bad experiences with similar groups I decided to join a set and ready “4 Warriors, 1 Mesmer, Zerker only group”.

Now I can almost understand the desire for Zerkers. Solid DPS does speed up the run significantly. In CoF however you only really kill 5 mobs where DPS actually matters so the difference between Zerker or not is negligible.

I always assumed this “Zerker only” mentality was rooted in an obsession for smooth and fast runs.

Anyway, so we start off, first boss goes down quickly as you’d probably expect. Some Warrior asks another about his build, but he doesn’t respond. By the time we’ve killed the summoners the inquisitive Warrior decides that one Warrior isn’t in fact a Zerker and thus initiates a kick which promptly goes through.

Mind you this Warrior they kicked was the only one using buff-food and Slaying Potions.

So I port them through the tunnel but with 4 players they are now stuck at the brazers. I asked them why they kicked the guy and tell them it made no sense. So after about 2 minutes a Guardian joins the group, only to be instantly kicked again for not being a Warrior.

WTF!?

At that point I told them they were all idiots because what’s the point of running 4 Warriors + Mesmer if you’re going to waste so much time due to your inflated ego.

So I leave, form a new group and 8 minutes later complete the run.

Meanwhile the Warriors were still stuck in CoF….

They are most likely after multiple runs. Although I am not sure if that’s even feasible anymore as a farming strategy.

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Posted by: ghost.3208

ghost.3208

It happened this morning.
I don’t know how long the guys waited or filtered the group, but i joined to 2 random guys on lfg for a quick AC run in the morning and the group was soooo good we decided to go trough a lot of paths (full AC and CoE, CoF12, SE13, TAf/u, HotW1) and maaaaan it was beautiful.
It was a long ago when i had a similar experience with randoms, but as the above example shows it can worth your time to filter.

It IS beautiful, constant stacks of 25 might killing bosses before they can even yell “Pick up those scraps, runts! We’ve got effigies to build!”

Speed clearing dungeons gives you a lot of time to do other things

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Posted by: JJBigs.8456

JJBigs.8456

Sometimes when its 6 AM and im bored I go “bad pug hunting” and join the most noob/non meta dungeon run I can find and people watch. Its so funny the things they wipe on and do.

Usually at least 1-2 wont stack for the easiest of trash mobs, using single target skills ofc.

The 3/5 people wiping running to the first Subject Alpha being hit by Dragons Tooth, and saying “Wow im usually the last one to die”

Chances are Ill leave halfway, depends how tired I am but it is quite interesting just to watch people and see different reactions to things.

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Posted by: xbutcherx.3861

xbutcherx.3861

GS doesn’t do enough to be worth taking.

LOL at this ^ ignorance is bliss

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Posted by: guanlongwucaii.3162

guanlongwucaii.3162

HEY it’s xbutcherx, the guy who steadfastly defended axe/axe arcing slice spam warriors with the retort “have you even try?”

how funny to see you here!

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Posted by: oilstorm.1748

oilstorm.1748

Secondly, why aren’t you using axe/wh + axe/mace for fotm? GS doesn’t do enough to be worth taking.

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Posted by: TiF.6589

TiF.6589

It is kind of sad that there still are ppl “glfxm show armor/gears zerker only”
I have run cof more than I willing to admit with my thief(full zerker) & warrior(no particular, change build all the time). I farmed my 4 legendaries from dungeon runs, especially cof since it is easy as hell, but I got kicked for not being a full zerker warrior. I could have just spent those cof token for a full set of berserker armor/weapon for my warrior but why should I play the way others wanted me to?

But luckily this dont happened all the time and I still manage to get some very awesome runs with pugs most of the time.

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Posted by: Dub.1273

Dub.1273

Why the kitten are people proud of not playing berserker builds, just because they are desired and actually useful? And even more so, why are ssome people proud of joining berserker only parties without using berserker gear?

Being a leech and basically griefing other people must be fun as hell.

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Posted by: The Mexican Cookie.3690

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Because yolo

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