Arah - why?
Because it’s the highest level and difficulty dungeon in the game. I’d be disappointed if it weren’t harder/longer than the other dungeons.
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That armor man.... I want it!! sooo rare atm on our server... i got the boots and get the gauntlets next
Tis only what you can do for all
@fay
you misunderstand me. i dont mind that its difficult. I said the rewards do not reflect the difficulty involved.
Personally I want it to stay a dungeon that not everyone can complete (and no im not QQing ive done all paths including Seers path).
I just want the token reward to reflect the time spent in the dungeon itself.
AC = 10-15 mins for 60 tokens
Arah = 1 – 1.5 hours for 60 tokens
see what I am getting at?
But if you then wear full Arah armour/weapons it shows you are a lot more competent and worked harder for your gear than someone in full AC
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@fay
in this game ive noticed no one cares where you got your gear from aslong as its exotic. lol.
thus making your point mute.
IMO the arah set should be slightly better than every other set because of how difficult it is to get, thus making it more desireable. right now I only want it cause I like the way it looks.
I loved this dungeon to be hard as hell since I loved to see pugs running them hours and failed. Meanwhile, I’m running with my group and get 240 shards everyday make me feel different from pugs.
[qutoe=Ashontear.9304]So my question is why is Arah so much longer than all the other dungeons and yet the same reward?[/quote]
The reward isn’t the same. Arah tokens can’t be acquired from another dungeon, thus not the same.
He’s talking about same AMOUNT of tokens and longer gametime, not the same token lol.
It’s the large amount of trash mobs. Arah has too much boring trash IMO. That staircase before the grub boss for example.
actually most other dungeons can be done in around 30-45min +- arah takes at least 1,5h reward is awful and the dungeon is crazily hard. most pugs won’t even be able to do it and the main reason is lupi which is a good 30-40 min into the dungeon to see your pugs just die like flies and have to give up -_-
Arah can be done under 25mins.
Path 3 noobpath skipping all, ye. Hoping on a strong fix soon.
Im having having fun in dungeons reward/dificulty its fine by me. I do only pugs & the only problem so far that i ve found its players itself. Most of them havent adapted to the game, duno maybe they think its wow, but all in all they sems to overuse dodge or not use it at all…. & when they need it ;out off endurance = R.I.P.
Yes i do hate ppl skiping mobs , exploiting bugs …..
Regarding gear i rly dont care about arath set (dont like it ) i ve set my eyes on the human female cultural & im slowly saving gold , key word slowly with patience .
Patience- something some ppl dont have dute to being spoiled by world of worldcrap . I love what Anet has done & i hope they wont change anithing althoe they have alredy nerfed arath & ppl still fail T.T
Path 3 noobpath skipping all, ye. Hoping on a strong fix soon.
Sorry we are able to do Arah under 25mins and you can’t.
Path 3 noobpath skipping all, ye. Hoping on a strong fix soon.
Path 3 isn’t the only path can be done with decent times. I think you will be disappointed if you are expecting a patch on efficiency.
Have you played gw1? You could get your max stat Armor, weapons, stats, max level, all within a couple hours of playtime. People wanted the best skins, and they took time to get. Obsidian Armor was the most expensive and required the most work aka “hardest” set to get. same freaking stats. took ages to farm the mats. You want the best skins, they take work. It’s how this game works. Especially the dungeon sets, can’t just sit around making money on the tp for that, takes a little bit of skill and a brain.
Have you played gw1? You could get your max stat Armor, weapons, stats, max level, all within a couple hours of playtime. People wanted the best skins, and they took time to get. Obsidian Armor was the most expensive and required the most work aka “hardest” set to get. same freaking stats. took ages to farm the mats. You want the best skins, they take work. It’s how this game works. Especially the dungeon sets, can’t just sit around making money on the tp for that, takes a little bit of skill and a brain.
Unless of course you want the T3 armor or the legendaries which require basically nothing but obscene amounts of money.
The legendary at least requires ~1million karma. But that’s just farming in orr, so easy a bot can do it.
The point about aesthetics taking skill to get doesnt hold up ingame.
Arah can only be done in a decent time by skipping most of the trash. Which most people don’t enjoy fighting anyways.
Rather than increase the rewards, it would be nice if they just got rid of a lot of the trash.
I personally find Arah to be more relaxing than the lower level dungeons (AC, CM, etc.) as you aren’t sidekicked with ridiculous stats.
Oh man, THIS.
I hate AC for this, I don’t know how the hp scaling works in this game, but I have 1/8 of my lvl 80 hp in AC. Everything one shots me.
wow! nothing one shots me in dungeons anymore.. not even dead eyes..
Tis only what you can do for all
Takes us around 1 hour and 10 minutes without skipping trash. It’s not that bad, it’s just people are so use to doing easy, quick mindless content. If anything they should make the other instances as long as Arah.
I do hope they stop mobs from leashing. It kinda takes away from the value of the armor set in its self. Fairly obvious that it is not intended so I imagine it will be changed in due time.
GW1 had no leashing at the start. It was abused harder than you could ever have imagined. I don’t think you want no leashing.
GW1 had no leashing at the start. It was abused harder than you could ever have imagined. I don’t think you want no leashing.
Different games, it’s not like we are talking out side of instances. In the instances its needed right now.
So you remove leashing, then thieves become the best class in dungeons. Can’t break stealth because that defeats the purpose of the class.
Ok, my 2 cents, as I am a necro and I want the armor skin, thus I am stuck doing Arah.
First, path 3 is the only path that is doable right now (with a pug group) as 1 is bugged, and 2 and 4 are so freakin long that most don’t have the time, nor the patience to play this game that long. I understand difficulty, but does that equate time?
Path three, 35-45 minutes if you skip; 1.1 hours if you kill mobs directly in your path.
The other paths warrant no attention, ESP considering that the payoff for 4 hours is the same as it is for 1.1 hours. The statement ANET seems to be making is SPEND all your time grinding.
Get to level 80 and what do you do. GRIND for a legendary; or Grind a dungeon, or Grind in WvW, to get gear.
So much for a game not focused on grinding. Instead of even grinding for more powerful items, people are actually grinding for skins.
I do want the arah skin, but I am slightly frustrated that I have one option in arah, path 3, which i can do 1 time a day. I have the top/shoulders, and masque, and I am bored with doing path 3, grind a bit on wvw, path 3, sleep. grind a bit on wvw, path 3, sleep
come on anet… really?
And btw, there is a HUGE difference between tedious and difficult. Tedious requires time, difficulty requires skill. The dungeons are tedious, and dont require skill.
Increasing hps on a mob to make him retardedly resistant does not require skil, it just requires mindless play. dodge, press button 1, dodge, press button 1; run, run run, dodge, press button 1, use utility, press button 1, dodge, run, run, use utility, press 1.
ANET needs to decide if they want players to be frustrated or challenged; and there is a difference. Also, spending 4 hours on a game, in one shot, is not viable for an average player, especially when you have a gf/wife slapping you on the back of the head and are just devoid of a social life. I dont mind being challenged or playing a game for some fun, but let’s face it, after you grind path 3 a few times, it’s not fun, its boring and tedious, and gw2 just joins the same ole same old grind spectrum. In WOW you grinded for gear etc., in GW2, you grind for skins.
as some others said your request doesn’t really make sense.
arah tokens are unique, and therefore cannot be compared to other tokens. you are SUPPOSED to take a lot longer in arah to get the armour because it’s the only elite dungeon in the game right now.
so it’s by design.
as some others said your request doesn’t really make sense.
arah tokens are unique, and therefore cannot be compared to other tokens. you are SUPPOSED to take a lot longer in arah to get the armour because it’s the only elite dungeon in the game right now.so it’s by design.
I am sorry, I do not understand wtf your talking about? Only elite dungeon in the game? What do you mean? I can get elite gear from grinding any dungeon? The fact that it takes longer, while extremely frustring when trying to have a normal life, is not necessarily the issue here. It is the lack of other paths, being restricted to 1 time a day because the other paths take 4-5 hours, vs the 1.1 hours on path 3 for the same payoff. more importantly, you need a group that is very familiar with the other paths, or you end up wiping, more due to game mechanics and not lack of skill.
Sorry, you seem uneducated about the game.
@Gryph, thats a little harsh there kiddo. Someone uneducated about the game wouldnt be here and if you have that kind of attitude towards someone voicing their opinion then dont expect much better feedback than “be quiet.”
Having said that, Arah can be considered an elite dungeon since its endgame and does take longer than all the others. But thats besides the point.
I agree if it DOES take that much time to complete, as in the numbers show that players overall take that long, then i would agree you should get a bit more.
As for having the time to complete the dungeon itself, thats on you. Arenanet isnt responsible for you not having enough time to complete their content. Especially if there are players out there (and in sure there are) that can do it faster than you.
If you need more time thsn make time but aside from that i see no other reason to complain that its too long than because you want your gear NOW rather than later.
And if you end up wiping due to game mechanics, thats a lack of skill. You should probably word that differently.
And play nice nice
Arah takes way too long given the rewards and difficulty i.e. yes, Lupi is a pain that wipes a lot of PUGs but I don’t avoid Arah because my PUG might wipe on Lupi. I avoid Arah because if my PUG wipes on Lupi I’m out hours.
Arah takes way too long given the rewards and difficulty i.e. yes, Lupi is a pain that wipes a lot of PUGs but I don’t avoid Arah because my PUG might wipe on Lupi. I avoid Arah because if my PUG wipes on Lupi I’m out hours.
Well theyre not gonna just shorten Arah so if you wipe then sorry. Just as well, theyre not gonna increase the rewards to such a degree that players are gonna be willing to suffer wipe after wipe.
Even if if they increase the rewards, maybe by 20 tokens for example, it has no control over the impatient. One wipe is sometimes enough to disband a group and multiple wipes will test even the most hardened of players.
My recommendation for all of you is to reach out to the community to find a dedicated group of like minded players and pick times to run this content that work for all of you.
Again, theyre not just gonna shorten the dungeon and increased rewards arent going to sway the easily irritated/impatient. Its just the nature of pugs, which, im seeing, is not the way to go for Arah.
Path 3 noobpath skipping all, ye. Hoping on a strong fix soon.
Sorry we are able to do Arah under 25mins and you can’t.
I clear arah path 3 killing all adds in 38 minutes
“You can’t” hahahahahahaha Did you click my signature before quote me, at least?
Maybe i wasn’t clear. I want a HEAVY fix to put an end to any form of speedfarm/skip of path 3. My armor is meant to be something hard and long to gain for a little number of players able to play hard content, not beggars playing 60 tokens per day, wearing one day a full set, still playing like a newbie
There is alot of people that run pugs and they utlimately get the short end of the stick in Arah. Ran path 1 (Jotun) and it was definitely a pain session. I saw a video on how to fight Lupicus in a pug group which involved kiting him closer to the WP so when you died you’d be closer to him.
Even people that have downed certain bosses and post Arah videos usually show people dying at one point during a long fight and running back.
The best solution is to keep the difficulty as is but increase people’s survivability. Do things like:
-add a third dodge
-reduce the CD on a personal heal ability and allow it to heal to full
Points that don’t require you to have the most precisely landed dodge, or standing back and avoiding while you wait for your heal ability to finish CD. Increase people’s survivability but don’t allow them to come back to the boss during the fight. Thus allowing you to put more WPs and prevent people from running back from death. Better combat overall, less death walks.
If you want the top % of players running these dungeons regularly, and have a group of level 80 pve’rs bored out of their gored and quit so be it. They’re all pain sessions. Give people the ability to avoid things more often.
There’s a reason everyone skips mobs any chance they get and not for speed.
Dungeons are more of a chore than anything else, combat isn’t that dynamic, and the rewards really do suck.
I clear arah path 3 killing all adds in 38 minutes
“You can’t” hahahahahahaha Did you click my signature before quote me, at least?
Maybe i wasn’t clear. I want a HEAVY fix to put an end to any form of speedfarm/skip of path 3. My armor is meant to be something hard and long to gain for a little number of players able to play hard content, not beggars playing 60 tokens per day, wearing one day a full set, still playing like a newbie
You should probably watch the videos you are criticizing before tagging “newbie” onto other players.
First and foremost, you do not clear path 3 clearing all trash. I guarantee you do not kill those elite giants roaming around right before the last boss, nor do you kill the side packs after the first boss, or any extra spiders packs, you probably don’t even clear the whole room before Gigantipus. So I guess you get to draw the line on the packs that are deemed acceptable to skip, but the trash you can’t/don’t skip is considered wrong? Get off your high horse, stop pretending your way of doing something must be the legitimate/intended way for all players.
On a lighter note, we easily cleared path 2 in that “38 minute” time frame. We will gladly do any path you are doing and do it faster (clearing anything you are clearing). Any trash pack you clear, any path you choose, you have my word on this.
I guess this guy quoted my post, instead of the Joxy.6879 one.
I didn’t tag nothing.
And no, the giant is not meant to be killed , he goes around being a threat, not part of the path skipped with a speedboost. And yes, except the giant, i was talking of kill all adds on the way (obiouvsly not extra adds all around the entire map, are you joking?)
And still, if and when the pug is able to perform it.
I ask a fix of every add on the road, no more skippable, and the pathetic giganticus wp kitefight. More spiders crippling, a couple more spider champions on particular spots, some mage/illusionist champion and we can finally forget the speedrun.
A 25 minutes beggarrun is just pathetic, and more pathetic is who dare to wear this armor not knowing a kitten of arah at all except his stupid speedrun with 0 idea of arah adds mechanics, how to deal with them, why dodge and when etc, playing with an arah armor like a funny noob on every dungeon from AC to arah, or just zerging like brainless on wvw.
And just so you know, i’m not on a competition with you or anyone at all about who is faster. I play with pugs of elite players (if and when they are online, when not available i pick random peeps on LA ), elite players i gathered during my weeks gaining my armor, from september, and i was leading pugs of future talents of every path till the end even during shardrun days instead of a fast reset, and path 4 during the “impossible” bugged" “noone in the world ever completed it” days
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I guess this guy quoted my post, instead of the Joxy.6879 one.
I didn’t tag nothing.
And no, the giant is not meant to be killed , he goes around being a threat, not part of the path skipped with a speedboost. And yes, except the giant, i was talking of kill all adds on the way (obiouvsly not extra adds all around the entire map, are you joking?)
And still, if and when the pug is able to perform it.
I ask a fix of every add on the road, no more skippable, and the pathetic giganticus wp kitefight. More spiders crippling, a couple more spider champions on particular spots, some mage/illusionist champion and we can finally forget the speedrun.
A 25 beggarrun is just pathetic, and more pathetic is who dare to wear this armor not knowing a kitten of arah at all except his stupid speedrun with 0 idea of arah adds mechanics, how to deal with them, why dodge and when etc.And just so you know, i’m not on a competition with you or anyone at all about who is faster. I play with pugs of elite players (if and when they are online, when not available i pick random peeps on LA ), elite players i gathered during my weeks gaining my armor, from september, i was leading pugs of future talents till the end even during shardrun days, and path 4 during the “impossible” bugged" “noone in the world ever completed it” days
So you get to make the call on whats a “threat” and what is necessary? I’m surprised you, one of the “elite players”, still haven’t understood the point yet.
That “25 beggarrun” is filmed in my perspective, that is me playing the Guardian. Additionally, most of the “challenging” GW2 content are also in that youtube channel as well. As far as I know, this is the only 25 minute of Arah path 3 video on youtube, so based on that I’m assuming you are directing majority of your comments towards me and how my group operates.
This is why I question if you actually watched the video at all. If a group (my group specifically) that is able to 1 shot Gigantipus, Simins, every version of Alpha and any other PvE content you deemed worthy in this game, you honestly believe we lack the understanding “of Arah adds mechanics, how to deal with them, why dodge and when etc”? You must be joking me. I seriously hope this is just a huge troll.
If you do not want competition, then do not wave around your 38 minute path 3 all trash clear flag around and use “you can’t” after it, it is quite insulting for you to refer something me and my group did as a beggar’s run, or even worse as “pathetic” and unworthy of whatever artificial standard you deemed acceptable.
If you truly feel a group that can clear Arah under 25 minutes can’t perform to your standard, then I’m willing to own that up. Again, the offer still stands, any path, any way you want to run it. Just let me know.
What the hell this guy is talking about?
I’ m not talking at all with you. You throw yourself and your video performance, i was answering from when Joxy wrote arah3 can be done in 25 minutes (skipping all).
Which is something i hope SOON wil end. THIS is what i want, THIS is the beggarrun, and end of speedruns and giganticus wp zergfight must be fixed as soon as possible. A pug pro-speedfarmers forced me to play the pure speedrun. We truly completed arah in nearly 30 minutes, i was disgusted, much more when they told me they do it daily
Video, video, which video are we talking about lolz. This thread was meant to talk about how long does it take path 3 and how incredibly long are other paths, i don’t see any video nor Kevin’s performance. Who gives a kitten of your video (noone knows what video ) you’re talking about and your fast performance noone is competing to? Roflmao.
You really don’t get arah wasn’t meant to be completed under 25 minutes at all, but played in the fullest, hard, a challenge, and what now you’re so proud to, will (hopefully) soon finish and everyone forget any “fast performance for elite players” ?
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What the hell this guy is talking about?
I’ mot talking at all with you. You throw yourself and your video performance, i was answering from when Joxy wrote arah3 can be done in 25 minutes (skipping all).
Which is something i hope SOON wil end. THIS is what i want, THIS is the beggarrun, and end of speedruns and giganticus wp zergfight.Video video, which video are we talking about lolz. This thread was meant to talk about how long does it take path 3 and how incredibly long are other paths. Who gives a kitten of your video (noone knows what video ) you’re talking about and your fast performance noone is competing to? Roflmao.
You mean the ONLY video on the internet of a 25 minute Arah run currently? The first result on google and youtube for “Arah 25 min run”?? The only one that has been thrown around these forums as basis of Arah speed runs?
Jesus, so the entire basis of your argument/point is based on something you have never even seen… wow why am I even responding to you.
And who gives a kitten of your 25 minutes video at all, expecially on this thread where we talk about how long is for normal players path 3 and other paths, LOOOOL
Much more if as you wrote, just you and your guildies/buddies (because alone, you’re a noone like any other top end of us, don’t forget it) is able to. Bro, i don’t want to be mean, GTFO
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And who gives a kitten of your 25 minutes video at all, expecially on this thread where we talk about how long is for normal players path 3 and other paths, LOOOOL
Much more if as you wrote, just you and your guildies/buddies (because alone, you’re a noone like any other top end of us) is able to. Bro, i don’t want to be mean, GTFO
It looks like you care a lot
Path 3 noobpath skipping all, ye. Hoping on a strong fix soon.
A 25 minutes beggarrun is just pathetic, and more pathetic is who dare to wear this armor not knowing a kitten of arah at all except his stupid speedrun with 0 idea of arah adds mechanics, how to deal with them, why dodge and when etc, playing with an arah armor like a funny noob on every dungeon from AC to arah, or just zerging like brainless on wvw.
i was answering from when Joxy wrote arah3 can be done in 25 minutes (skipping all).
Every basis of your speed run argument has been referring to my video. Looks like you cared so little that you based your entire argument around it.
Omg someone stop this ego guy please. What video you keep talking about, quote me the video on this thread, hahaha
My posts you quoted refers to people who SKIP 80% of the dungeon, wake up.
Omg someone stop this ego guy please. What video you keep talking about, quote me the video on this thread, hahaha
The posts you quoted refers to people who SKIP 80% of the dungeon, wake up.
???
wtf ego are you talking about, are you serious?? this is coming from someone from the “pug of elite players”, “leader of future talents”, riding on the forefront of world first contents, and with Arah armor AND dungeon master linked in their signature? lol?
Skipping 80% of the dungeon?? wtf are you talking about, show me anything at all about this being done please.
These are in your OWN words, YOU bought up 25 minute dungeon runs being beggar runs w/e. So you have no idea what this is, yet you consistently spill uninformed opinion about this matter?
Hi,
Please refrain from engaging in personal wars and keep this thread civil and constructive.
Thanks for your understanding
What the hell this guy is talking about?
I’ mot talking at all with you. You throw yourself and your video performance, i was answering from when Joxy wrote arah3 can be done in 25 minutes (skipping all).
Which is something i hope SOON wil end. THIS is what i want, THIS is the beggarrun, and end of speedruns and giganticus wp zergfight.Video video, which video are we talking about lolz. This thread was meant to talk about how long does it take path 3 and how incredibly long are other paths. Who gives a kitten of your video (noone knows what video ) you’re talking about and your fast performance noone is competing to? Roflmao.
You mean the ONLY video on the internet of a 25 minute Arah run currently? The first result on google and youtube for “Arah 25 min run”?? The only one that has been thrown around these forums as basis of Arah speed runs?
Jesus, so the entire basis of your argument/point is based on something you have never even seen… wow why am I even responding to you.
This is why you have an ego.
You assume everyone has seen this video. One assumes that it’s your video since you “throw” it around this particular THREAD like it’s the second coming of Christ and we need to see him in all his glory.
I have not seen this video.
Nor do I care to.
It’s popularity on the internet nor it’s content have no bearing whatsoever on this discussion as this discussion revolves around the varying amounts of speed any group may possess when running Arah and how they should be rewarded for it.
If there is such a video of a group doing Arah in 25 minutes or less, I congratulate them.
But again, per the original discussion…………………………it doesn’t matter at all.
I’m very confused as to why you’re here.
This is why you have an ego.
You assume everyone has seen this video. One assumes that it’s your video since you “throw” it around this particular THREAD like it’s the second coming of Christ and we need to see him in all his glory.I have not seen this video.
Nor do I care to.
It’s popularity on the internet nor it’s content have no bearing whatsoever on this discussion as this discussion revolves around the varying amounts of speed any group may possess when running Arah and how they should be rewarded for it.If there is such a video of a group doing Arah in 25 minutes or less, I congratulate them.
But again, per the original discussion…………………………it doesn’t matter at all.
I’m very confused as to why you’re here.
I’m not sure you have read the whole conversation. Actually I know you have not, because I have stated this is mine, you do not have to assume anything. I have not linked this video in this thread once, nor do I care to, and this is my way of letting people see this in full glory?
The only person I assume to have seen the video is the only person I have been quoting and responding to this whole time.
That is the SAME person that has based his entire argument on why speed run is a not intended and a cheap way of obtaining gear. Additionally, it is the same person that has been attacking this run as “pathetic” and “beggar’s run”.
This is why I am responding.
Bro, go in peace, i (nor anyone else) gives a kitten of who you are and what you did and your “only video on internet” (which doesn’t means you and your group are the only one able to perform it, but i guess you’re having difficulties to get it haha ).
This thread, and my posts HERE are EXCLUSIVELY related to speedrun as SKIPPING 80% of the content. And this is the second time i have to type it.
If you’re begging me to give you an answer and peace, send me via PM a link of your video , and if i have time i’ll comment on it and we can have a discussion.
So fun, when a player truly believe to be an elite player just when his friends are online , when they are offline noone even talk to him and block him haha
Just be glad that they’ve actually made an effort to address a decline in the number of grinds for dungeoning. Bare in mind that before the major patches, you’ve had 20 tokens per run which took about 3x the effort that you’re exerting right now.
^^
Your posts makes 0 sense, in any context or form. They are very incoherent and inconsistent.
Bro, go in peace, i (nor anyone else) gives a kitten of who you are and what you did and your “only video on internet” (which doesn’t means you and your group are the only one able to perform it, but i guess you’re having difficulties to get it haha ).
I have made 0 indication of this is only capable by us. I guess we are having difficulties???
This thread, and my posts HERE are EXCLUSIVELY related to speedrun as SKIPPING 80% of the content. And this is the second time i have to type it.
1. 80% content?? this is second time I have said this, show me anything about this being done, anywhere, please. Is this 80% something you just randomly came up? did you divide time spent on each section by total length? is this related to something you posted previously about path 3 being skipped??
2. So all your “pathetic” "25 min noobpath “beggar’s run” are referring to something completely different? I guess there are so many evidence of this being done everywhere that my huge ego just prevented me from seeing it.
If you’re begging me to give you an answer and peace, send me via PM a link of your video , and if i have time i’ll comment on it and we can have a discussion.
You can look it up yourself if you want to learn a thing or two.
So fun, when a player truly believe to be an elite player just when his friends are online , when they are offline noone even talk to him and block him haha
????
A game that claims to be aimed at casuals, shouldn’t contain any content that takes longer than an hour to complete.
It really shouldn’t have to be explained that time doesn’t equal difficulty. But it seems it does have to be repeated over and over again (much like the dungeons themselves).
Time Does Not Equal Difficulty!