Guild Wars 2

lunyboy.8672:

spoj.9672:

Well ok Ill bite. Warriors only save their burst for the end of the fight. Necro’s only flash DS or save it for defense. Mesmers dont shatter. Thieves dont steal? Only classes that really get to keep using their class mechanic in dps builds are engi, guardian and ranger. But they arent exactly very exciting class mechanics.

Well, not speaking for all Engineers, but I save my tool belt skills for appropriate times, since they are more often than not utilitarian, and not unlike the right side of the skill bar, and shouldn’t just be rotated as they come up.

Engineer GB always comes on CD for me. BoB I use specifically if defiant is up/mobs are against a corner, as it kittens up positioning. Also, do remember static-discharge builds taking their main damage from static discharge spam from TB usage.

I said engi CAN use their class mechanic while dpsing. Please read. :/

spoj.9672:

I said engi CAN use their class mechanic while dpsing. Please read. :/

I did read, and was responding to your comment about them not being exciting. Most of the time, I have a heal, a stun break and at least one condition applying skill up there, and I can’t just mindlessly roll my face against the F keys as they come off cool down.

Acutally as elems we can use our class mechanics while depsing: we can attunement swap while wielding the hammer, and it is as exiting as using engi’s mechanics.

That being said I believe hammer builds are only good for mindless speedruns, and the real deal is with a Fresh Air build in challenging content. Content in which actually sharing the hammer rather than using it selfishly is more beneficial to the group. However in that challenging type of content our damage is assuredly low. Therefore my belief is that the hammer builds should actually be nerfed, so that Fresh Air builds can call for buffs.

Eat that controversial stuff

Replies are in bold.

colesy.8490:

1: Add foes to dungeons that move fast/hit hard. They would need to be crippled/chilled/immobilized to be kept from hammering the group

So the zerker group will just chain blinds and/or knockdowns and then DPS down.

A smartly designed enemy would have the same tools you have. Stunbreakers, stuns, stability, boon, and condition removal.

2: Make all foes have some healing capabilities. Be it some health % per second, or an activated heal, so poison is wanted or interrupts to stop activated heals

Dredge have protection. Some bosses have regeneration. Zerker group will just burst until they drop, and if possible apply boon removal.

Most bosses and trash don’t have blocks or evades or any intelligent movement AI. If you added these (enemies dodging/blocking your 100b/fiery rush or repositioning out of your attacks) it could add some interesting dynamics.

3: Defiant kills interrupt CC builds, even though you can still “interrupt” the boss. I say remove defiant on bosses (keep 90% blind immunity) and change it so when a boss is hit by CC they gain like 10-15 seconds of Stability

Null field, phantasmal disenchanter, and then spiky fruit, every encounter trivialised.

Several solutions. The simplest would be to just disable spiky fruit. Another is to have bosses with counters to interrupts (e.g. adds that spawn when you interrupt, stunbreakers, etc). You can also have bosses/encounters with special abilities (e.g. boons cannot be removed until players do x or y).

4: Give some foes really high toughness, to make condition builds more wanted. Add high Vitality foes if needed for damage builds

Because over 1 million HP on bosses isn’t high vitality? Groups do things like Bloomhunger at level 80 and he still dies … gradually.

I think he means having some bosses with high armor rating (but not necessarily higher HP) such that attacking them with power-based builds will be less effective than condition based builds. Better yet, certain bosses should have unique resistances/vulnerabilities to certain types of attacks.

Zelyhn.8069:

Acutally as elems we can use our class mechanics while depsing: we can attunement swap while wielding the hammer, and it is as exiting as using engi’s mechanics.

That being said I believe hammer builds are only good for mindless speedruns, and the real deal is with a Fresh Air build in challenging content. Content in which actually sharing the hammer rather than using it selfishly is more beneficial to the group. However in that challenging type of content our damage is assuredly low. Therefore my belief is that the hammer builds should actually be nerfed, so that Fresh Air builds can call for buffs.

Eat that controversial stuff

“Nerf builds I don’t like and buff the ones I do”
Also what challenging content? What PvE content doesn’t let you mindlessly whale on mobs in a full DPS setup?

It’s … the secret PvE content. Namely lvl 70+ fractals. But shhhht, it’s secret!

Dolan.3071:

Zelyhn.8069:

Acutally as elems we can use our class mechanics while depsing: we can attunement swap while wielding the hammer, and it is as exiting as using engi’s mechanics.

That being said I believe hammer builds are only good for mindless speedruns, and the real deal is with a Fresh Air build in challenging content. Content in which actually sharing the hammer rather than using it selfishly is more beneficial to the group. However in that challenging type of content our damage is assuredly low. Therefore my belief is that the hammer builds should actually be nerfed, so that Fresh Air builds can call for buffs.

Eat that controversial stuff

“Nerf builds I don’t like and buff the ones I do”
Also what challenging content? What PvE content doesn’t let you mindlessly whale on mobs in a full DPS setup?

It’s always bit annoying when people call my dungeon soloing mindless whaling. I mean that’s still PvE, right?

Wethospu.6437:

Dolan.3071:

Zelyhn.8069:

Acutally as elems we can use our class mechanics while depsing: we can attunement swap while wielding the hammer, and it is as exiting as using engi’s mechanics.

That being said I believe hammer builds are only good for mindless speedruns, and the real deal is with a Fresh Air build in challenging content. Content in which actually sharing the hammer rather than using it selfishly is more beneficial to the group. However in that challenging type of content our damage is assuredly low. Therefore my belief is that the hammer builds should actually be nerfed, so that Fresh Air builds can call for buffs.

Eat that controversial stuff

“Nerf builds I don’t like and buff the ones I do”
Also what challenging content? What PvE content doesn’t let you mindlessly whale on mobs in a full DPS setup?

It’s always bit annoying when people call my dungeon soloing mindless whaling. I mean that’s still PvE, right?

its pve it still counts play how you want

Wethospu.6437:

It’s always bit annoying when people call my dungeon soloing mindless whaling. I mean that’s still PvE, right?

Deliberately making easy content hard for yourself wasn’t really what I meant, but you’re right it’s still PvE. Though it’s not like Zel is talking about soloing :|

No worries, I was just looking to get offended because daily crafting makes me depressed.

Wethospu.6437:

No worries, I was just looking to get offended because daily crafting makes me depressed.

Haviz likes crafting, I hear. He’s dying to get some ascended weapons.

it’s not like you guys aren’t rolling in enough money to just buy the mats. I mean the whole ascended weapon update is terrible but don’t act like you couldn’t have had one the day after the patch

I have 12g at the moment. That’s not really a lot.

Broadicea.8294:

it’s not like you guys aren’t rolling in enough money to just buy the mats. I mean the whole ascended weapon update is terrible but don’t act like you couldn’t have had one the day after the patch

Money doesn’t automatically get you ascended weapons. You still have to earn the weapons by proving your skills in epic battles all around the world to get the account bound materials.

And by epic it means pressing 11111 in temple zergs. And following the timers. And waiting. A lot. You better not waste your two guest on servers that have close timers like I did when I was working on my focus. That feel when you only need 60 more dragonite, you’re doing grenth and just heard that another group simultaneously did Dwayna and all the temples are done on your other guest servers.

And then you have to epically put those mats in epic squares in the epic crafting table and press the epic craft button

it’s horrible to be sure, but there’s a bit of “woe is me, I’ll never have a pinku weapon” vibe sometimes

Broadicea.8294:

it’s horrible to be sure, but there’s a bit of “woe is me, I’ll never have a pinku weapon” vibe sometimes

Did you buy this game with the intent of spamming temple and world bosses?

Do you have any idea how many temples and world bosses you need to complete to get a full set of weapons on a character?

Until now I sat around at low world completion, and almost never bothered with any open world. Almost only did dungeons, with occasional wvwvw and pvp thrown in. Now I’m being told to spam 111 and waste ton of hours following timed events or GTFO.

To complete one, single weapon, you need to do 17 temple events, if you stuck to mostly temple event and didn’t bother with bosses (temple event give 30 dragonite).
These events are all on a very long AND unpredictable (the websites aren’t always giving the right time) timer, people on your server might decide to do them all at the same time so you won’t really be able to do one after the other, and best of all, because of said long timer you can’t chill out or do anything else because if you do a dungeon and people just start/finish the event while you’re in, it’s another +1h of wait added.
Oh, and needless to say, some of these have a pretty high chance to fail because people suck. Grenth is so much fun when you get a whole zerg that has no idea how it works.

So to gear up a class like guardian in ascended gear, if you want at least one of each : hammer, gs, sword, focus, scepter, it’ll be 85 temple events. For one character. 85 sequences of following a timer, wasted time waiting and spamming 1111 for what sometimes feel like an eternity (we all love bosses like Lyssa that turn invuln and teleport all the time. Right? Right?)

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

I have 12g at the moment. That’s not really a lot.

Haha poor ****. I got 20g.

Wethospu.6437:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

I have 12g at the moment. That’s not really a lot.

Haha poor ****. I got 20g.

:(

I have 120g.

Mind you, I did sell like 60 charged lodestones because I got bored of grinding them for Sunrise.

Oh god Lyssa is a pain. So much FX burning your PC and so many misses nade throws and people meleeing in empty spots because of constant block/flash step. I don’t mind if it’s just around 10-15 people doing event… but scale more than 30 and my PC begins to burn.

Nikaido.3457:

So to gear up a class like guardian in ascended gear, if you want at least one of each : hammer, gs, sword, focus, scepter, it’ll be 85 temple events. For one character. 85 sequences of following a timer, wasted time waiting and spamming 1111 for what sometimes feel like an eternity (we all love bosses like Lyssa that turn invuln and teleport all the time. Right? Right?)

not disagreeing with any of that, it’s terrible, terrible design

Konu.1826:

Broadicea.8294:

it’s not like you guys aren’t rolling in enough money to just buy the mats. I mean the whole ascended weapon update is terrible but don’t act like you couldn’t have had one the day after the patch

Money doesn’t automatically get you ascended weapons. You still have to earn the weapons by proving your skills in epic battles all around the world to get the account bound materials.

sorry to tell you

Money buy everything needed for ascended weapons.
You can buy spiritwood logs, you can buy deldrimoor and stuff

Only thing that remains is to “BUY” your crafting level.

I have crafted and farmed any single item for an ascended weapon…

I still cannot afford to level up crafting to 500.

Its all about market flipping and stuff like that…..this is gold war 2!
Where fotm 79 pays like cutting a tree.

LordByron.8369:

Konu.1826:

Broadicea.8294:

it’s not like you guys aren’t rolling in enough money to just buy the mats. I mean the whole ascended weapon update is terrible but don’t act like you couldn’t have had one the day after the patch

Money doesn’t automatically get you ascended weapons. You still have to earn the weapons by proving your skills in epic battles all around the world to get the account bound materials.

sorry to tell you

Money buy everything needed for ascended weapons.
You can buy spiritwood logs, you can buy deldrimoor and stuff

Only thing that remains is to “BUY” your crafting level.

I have crafted and farmed any single item for an ascended weapon…

I still cannot afford to level up crafting to 500.

Its all about market flipping and stuff like that…..this is gold war 2!
Where fotm 79 pays like cutting a tree.

Sorry to burst your bubble but you didn’t craft any ascended weapon and don’t know what it takes to make one. You can’t buy the material needed to make the vision crystal. You need 500 empyreal, bloodstone dust and dragonite. The first two aren’t a problem for any dungeon runner but the last one will make you want to gouge your eyes off.

I do agree with you that the cost of getting your crafting to 500 is too extreme though. I’m now sitting at around 10~ gold and lost basically everything I earned up until now just to be able to craft a focus (artificer). Next comes the dagger so it’s another 130~ gold for weaponsmith that I’ll have to farm then throw down the drain. Sucks. But still it sucks a tad bit less than having to do world bosses.

That’s not true Byron, none of the Vision Crystal ingredients are buyable aside from the reagents. Dragonite especially is the limiting factor, as Nikaido described.

Hahaha glad to see I’m not the only poor sod out there, though I’m at 100ish gold atm which is the richest I’ve been since… I first got ‘Golden’ and spent it all on Howler. My mystic forge addiction doesn’t help either.

Advent Leader.1083:

Oh god Lyssa is a pain. So much FX burning your PC and so many misses nade throws and people meleeing in empty spots because of constant block/flash step. I don’t mind if it’s just around 10-15 people doing event… but scale more than 30 and my PC begins to burn.

I just set up 3 phantasmal duelists and then I don’t have to drive myself mad with “oh look she teleported away”.

You know you can get many dragonite ore in few hours?

just you need to know wich events gives 30 and switch character if needed.

18 world events cannot be so hard.
(did all saturday morning in few hours)

As said i have everything but the gold to get artificer from 460 to 500.
Crafting the focus too

P.S: also really fun the mirror post about players saying that bloodstone and dragonite are easy but empyreal are too hard XD.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Empyreal-Fragments-are-absurd/page/4

p.p.s what i meant is you can buy all time gated stuff and craft your ascended in 1-2 days.

Im out of money and i need to buy the super boombox.

#supercasual4life

I don’t even have enough money to pay the listig fee for twilight <.<

Brazil might only have 12 gold., but thats because he spends 140g on a weapon skin and 5 days later decides he doesn’t like it and transmutes another 140g skin over it. And then cashes what gold he has left in for gems to buy hair kits.

Reminds me of kitten y Moa.

I read lvl 70/80 fractals haha. Real funny

Broadicea.8294:

That’s not true Byron, none of the Vision Crystal ingredients are buyable aside from the reagents. Dragonite especially is the limiting factor, as Nikaido described.

Oddly enough, I’ve found Empyreal to be the real limiting factor for me. After you do all the easy paths its hard to summon the endurance to do more dungeons again without gold bonus reward just for Empryreal fragments.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Broadicea.8294:

That’s not true Byron, none of the Vision Crystal ingredients are buyable aside from the reagents. Dragonite especially is the limiting factor, as Nikaido described.

Oddly enough, I’ve found Empyreal to be the real limiting factor for me. After you do all the easy paths its hard to summon the endurance to do more dungeons again without gold bonus reward just for Empryreal fragments.

I could see that. I kind of hate the new rewards, it makes me not even want to run the 1 G dungeons even after I’ve done Arah/AC.

you all must be rich.
For me the limiting factor is gold.

Happy for you if your only trouble is doing a task that takes few days to achieve.

150-200 golds on the opposite starts to be hard to get since cores/ectos plummeted and people stop doing dungeons :|

Takes hours to get an AC Group.
I don t even check arah any more because takes too long.

And i quit fractal because i need gold

It doesn’t cost much gold to get ascended weapons, assuming dungeon runs are trivial for you. You can salvage exotics for inscriptions and craft to 500 for basically free or even profit. From there you can make an ascended weapon every 9 days, or pay 4-5g per day you wish to shorten it by. The limiting factor is how often you want to do AC1/2/3 to get empyreal fragments and how many alts you can handle killing Golem Mark II on per day.

that said, better farm the kitten out of Golem Mark 2 this weekend, since after the next patch when they buff the world bosses Dragonite might become much harder to come by if they are actually annoying and time consuming to do.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Broadicea.8294:

That’s not true Byron, none of the Vision Crystal ingredients are buyable aside from the reagents. Dragonite especially is the limiting factor, as Nikaido described.

Oddly enough, I’ve found Empyreal to be the real limiting factor for me. After you do all the easy paths its hard to summon the endurance to do more dungeons again without gold bonus reward just for Empryreal fragments.

What? I didn’t even try ! and I haven’t been running a lot of dungeons these days. I just had enough Empyreal by the time I had collected enough materials and gold to craft to 500 and build my focus. Of course if you wanted 500 empyreal on the first patch day that would have taken a heavy grind. My take on empyreal is that the amount you get is reasonable if you’re not trying to build one ascended every day and let it come more naturally.

Dragonites won’t come naturally, you have to seek the crap events out. I don’t want to have to do dumb zerg events just because the developers think zerguing is fun.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

You can salvage exotics for inscriptions and craft to 500 for basically free or even profit.

out of 30-40 exotics i got 1 inscription…..

i have already T7 for 2 weapons….and i am at 460 artificer.
I need to craft 13 tridents at least to get to 500

they will cost a huge sum of money.

Once i get to 500…. yes i can craft stuff cheap…..but not before paying legendaries to speculators that can’t finish a cof1……

No ty.

The money factor isn’t important to me at all. I earn about 50g in two hours of playing what i enjoy. On the opposite, looking for temple events and doing them rewards me with about 200 dragonite ores. In comparison, 2 hours of farming empyreal fragments would give me more money, more fun and about 400-500 fragments.

Nikaido.3457:

My take on empyreal is that the amount you get is reasonable if you’re not trying to build one ascended every day and let it come more naturally.

Except, I am trying to build them as quickly as possible. I have a lot of alts to gear out and I have OCPD. Not having BIS gear makes me dizzy.

LordByron.8369:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

You can salvage exotics for inscriptions and craft to 500 for basically free or even profit.

out of 30-40 exotics i got 1 inscription…..

Guess what: you threw away a ton of money by not understanding how it worked properly. You get the inscriptions only from exotics that have stats that cannot normally be crafted which means Soldiers, Magic, Rabid, Dire. If you make 40 Berserker exotic focuses and salvaged them you just threw away a lot of money. The inscription salvage rate is around 2/3rds…. if you actually salvage the correct ones.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Brazil might only have 12 gold., but thats because he spends 140g on a weapon skin and 5 days later decides he doesn’t like it and transmutes another 140g skin over it. And then cashes what gold he has left in for gems to buy hair kits.

Putting my King Toad’s Greatsword Skin over my Foefire’s Essence and then using a Transmutation Splitter to get a Pearl Greatsword back was a really bad idea. then I just transmuted the King Toad’s skin over the Pearl skin again and wasted even more gold. It was a good night.

And then there was the time I Mystic Forged a Greatsaw, Corrupted Avenger, and Destroyer Greatsword at the same time. And then the time I transmuted over my Corrupted Sledgehammer with a Blackfeet Bludgeon on accident. And then the time where I salvaged a Corrupted Focus and Sword for the sigils back. And then the time I bought Holographic Dragon Wings for 30g and transmuted it over the Killer Whale Quaggan I bought for 50g. And then the time I spent 200g on hair kits in 3 hours. And then the time I bought Final Rest for 180g. And then the time where I made a set of Mist weapons for my Warrior, didn’t like them, and left them in my bank, never to be used again. And then the time I deleted my Guardian I crafted, bought T3 armor for, unlocked Abyss / Black / White / Celestial dyes on because I didn’t like the female Norn Guardian voice acting.

Wow, I did not know that. Explains why I’ve only had 2 inscriptions salvage so far. Luckily I didn’t spend tons of tokens trying to get them like some folks.

ed: JESUS CHRIST BRAZIL

Broadicea.8294:

ed: JESUS CHRIST BRAZIL

And that’s how I met your mother.

Makes my impulsive gem store buying of items I use once then never again seem like nothing.

I impulse bought 3 guitars, threw one through my wall, and sold the other 2 a month later. Then I spent $500 on bicycle cards because I wanted to learn to shuffle them well. To this day, no one can shuffle cards as well as I can.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

I impulse bought 3 guitars, threw one through my wall, and sold the other 2 a month later. Then I spent $500 on bicycle cards because I wanted to learn to shuffle them well. To this day, no one can shuffle cards as well as I can.

Lol. I bought some bicycle cards a few years back and they only cost like £20. I learnt one shuffle and then stopped. Cant do it anymore either.